ODT2011-1 Jaedong vs Flash 2011-06-22 @ Gladiator
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Jaedong (Zerg)
Name: 이제동 (Lee Jae Dong)
Team: Hwaseung OZ
vs
Flash (Terran)
Name: 이영호 (Lee Young Ho)
Team: KT Rolster
League: 2011 1st OnGameNet Dual Tournament
Date: 2011-06-22
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이걸 버티는 영호나 그와중에 끝까지 유리함을 가져가는 제동이나 진짜 괜히 리쌍이 아니다...
@ShieldOfTommorrow No it's supposed to be Dual tournament in reference to the format type they're using.
테란전에서 이기는 저그선수 정말 인정해 준다.
It’s not just “the zerg won against the terran.”
Here, literally, "the best zerg (of all time) beat the best terran (of all time)"
@darrens888 At 25:47, Flash was mining from his natural, his third, and the new base that was just dropped. It doesn't show up well on the mini-map, but the announcers scroll through them between 25:14-25:18.
@fudgedupcheese OP stands for?
LucaTurilli89 over priced
Jeadong Fight!
He's train so hard after lose zero
Actually may be this game will be his top form in the history
4:45 game starts !!!
HWAITING
Subscribed. Finally found another channel to watch some Jaedong and Flash with Korean commentary ;)
That game went on twice as long as it should have.
@Xellos357 Flash had 4 bases with 3 mining bases, albeit briefly since he couldn't hold them. You can see that when Jaedong's drop lands at ~25:47, that 2nd expand is mining before it gets taken down.
18:33 LOL I had to go back and watch again cuz I thought Flash killed his own vessel
Starts: 4:56
@pingkortod
I agree, he's 4-0 vs Flash, more than 90% win vs ter , but he loses to zerg more often than before
wow flash destroys his supply depot instead of lifting factory, true macro beast
i have no clue why zerg players almost never use queens to infest CCs. not to get infested terrans, but to get the CC out of the terran's hands much quicker.
Peter Skorokhodov Good point, but I think it's too costly, as 1 queen and queen's nest costs 250 minerals, 200 gas.
There aren't that many opportunities to attack CCs, and they die quite quickly.
I only see queens used for old school Zerg players, such as JulyZerg :)
You have to build a best anyways to advance to hive, so buying a queen shouldn't be so bad. And I've seen plenty times where the cc was like 800 health and the Terran ends up repairing it to safety with 12 scvs.
29:40 wouldnt it have been easier to just pop in a queen onto the CC?
Peter Skorokhodov You are spewing bullshit..Queens cost too much in terms of attention and resources. The guy you are watching knows more about Starcraft and the Zerg than you will ever imagine... This is the reason you are a nobody...and he is Jaedong.
Alonso de Hojeda taco taco alonso green card burrito
... this is not the level of play i expect from either player... did anyone else feel like this game was "slower paced" than their normal games? i think it's pretty clear they didn't practice too much ... T.T
7드론 빌드 도대체 먼지 jd가 방송에서 설명좀 해줬으면 좋겠다
@XiaoDenZhi its actually terran imba in sc1 slightly..
@daboom2006
well there are a lot of things in starcraft that are overpowered
you just have to know how to combine them in the game
mech and voltures in particular are also overpowered
anyone know the intro song? thanks
이영호하고 이제동은 결승전에서 만났어야 되는 조합인데
Turn on captions, translate to english, and one of the commentators says something extremely funny at 6:35
jeadong and flash are the best players -!
@darrens888 At 25:14, you can see Flash's natural is mining. At 25:16, they scroll down to Flash's third. At 25:18, they click over to Flash's new mining 4th at the 9 o' clock base. This isn't that hard.
Those Spider mines kept Flash in, for a while anyway.
ha he says "piggy" at 17:00
NAME OF SONG PLZ!!!!!!
@vanillacrem3 LOL, he wasn't at 4 bases. he TRIED to double expand but guess what, it failed! flash was left on 3 bases with 2 mining bases. he wasnt even close to 4 bases!
nevake has put up OVER NINE THOUSAND vids.
Strange flash had so few vessels in this game. I guess that's why jaedong thought he could just as well go late game mutas.
a little bit borning but im glad to see that flash is no as dominant as last year
why south koreans are the best players?
Because competitive gaming is a popular spectator sport in South Korea while in the west the entertainment industry is like "pff, video games? Why watch a game when you can just play it? Sounds boring. Oh look, the game's on!" *goes back to watching football.* There's more incentive to be a pro gamer in South Korea, so more people play and more people discover a talent for certain games. South Koreans aren't predisposed to be good gamers any more than people in the west. It's just that their society values the ability to be a competitive gamer, so a higher proportion of the population looks for that ability.
@swchoi89 They weren't favouring him....they said many times that Jaedong had the advantage and Flash was behind. All they said was that it was only because it was Flash that the game lasted this long. If it had been any other Terran, the game would have ended alot sooner.
@vanillacrem3 still only see 2 mining bases..... idk what vid you saw but this vid only has 2 bases
it's so fkin hard to play on large maps like these with T. U can't attack and defend in the same time,while Z has nidus.
Begins at 5:02
@randomplace i guess this slower paced was caused by the less excitiment from the narrators
@vanillacrem3 uhhh 1 of them is mineral only, so i dont really consider that to be a full mining base. But never theless he has 3 bases..
odd game. really strong start from jd, then it seemed like he let flash back into it and his macro slipped, and then the game dwindled out until flash gged. still, well done JD, showed that little run of losses was nothing serious ^^
WOW jaedong finally beat flash... that's odd as terran is OP
해설 진짜 답도 없다... 이제동 시작 7드론인데 안정적인 9풀드립이나 치고 있고 드랍십 잡은 건 화면에서 보이는데도 캐치도 못하고 애초에 7드론vs8배럭인데 어떻게 7드론이 유리하다는 소리가 나오며 충원 상황 다 시야확보 되어 있어서 성큰 지을 필요도 없었고 그냥 시종일관 이제동이 너무 잘해서 이긴 게임을 이영호가 너무너무 불리한 상황을 너무너무 잘해서 여기까지 끌고 왔다는 식으로만 빨고 있기 바쁘다. 대체 이게 해설을 보는건지 응원을 보는건지 편파해설 컨셉이라도 잡은 줄 알았다. 절대 전문가의 해설 수준이 아닌데 이런식으로 밥벌어먹으면서 찔리지 않더냐?
mellow618 시작은 7드론이었으나 이영호는 8배럭에서 앞마당배제한 투배럭타이밍이라서 마린숫자가 굉장히 중요한상황인데 자기가지어놓은 심시티때문에 8배럭에서 시작한 마린이5기정도 짤리면서 앞마당배제하고 타이밍을 노렷는데 완벽히 막혓고 거기서부터 불리해지기 시작해졋고 이제동이 그 유리함을 놓치지않고 잘한거죠 이영호가 불리해진 상황에서 방어자체는 이영호라서 저정도로 막았다는생각이드네요 7드론과8배럭이면 둘다 가난한출발이기 때문에 거기서 이제동이 오버로드로 앞마당이 없다는걸 본것이 굉장히 컷죠
역시 리쌍의 경기. 그 와중에 이영호는 더 돋보이는 것 같다. 8배럭과 9드론이 맞물리면서 사실 여기까지는 반반 정도로 봐줄 수 있는데, 2서치에 들어간 일꾼(마지막 나간 일꾼까지 총 3개) 및 저글링과 소수의 scv와 마린의 교환이 컸다.
상대가 어찌 9드론을 할 지 알았겠냐만 결과적으로 서플 서플 배럭심시티는 4,5 드론 저글링에 방어가 용이한 편이지 마린, 저글링이 통과가능한 배럭 서플 심시티를 했다면 바로 커맨드도 가져갈 수 있었을텐데하는 아쉬움이 든다.
이제동도 뮤탈이 뜨자마자 해설이 말한대로 조금의 망설임없이 터렛을 깨고 들어가는 판단을 보여주는데 이제동이 아니었다면 이영호가 충분히 뒤집을 수 있었다고 본다.
그 외에 4러커, 2성큰 밭을 적절히 마린을 나누어 러커점사로 위협적인 모습을 보여주고 (모든 마린을 일점사하면 버로우된 두, 세 러커가 촉수를 뻗고 그 촉수뻗은 러커가 죽음으로써 발악데미지가 들어갈 가능성이 큰데, 이영호는 적절하게 마린을 나누어 두 러커에 이점사를 해줌으로써 시간차로 버로우 하는 러커를 매우 효율적으로 죽이는 모습을 보여주었다. 정말 대단한 플레이), 앞마당 앞에서 비록 시즈탱크 1기이지만, 디파일러를 점사해주고, 마린메딕베슬로 추가병력 특히 디파일러가 포함된 병력차단, 9시 다크스웜이 펼쳐진 저글링 어그로에서 드랍하려는 오버로드로 점사변경, 탱크 대부대가 1시로 진격할 때 미니맵을 보면 이미 3시에서 오는 경로는 마인밭인 점 등 감탄을 자아내는 플레이의 연속이었다.
이제동 역시 굵직한 중요한 것들을 놓치지 않는데, 초반 저글링으로 이득보기, 뮤탈의 과감한 침투, 소수의 러커를 이용한 수비, 성큰밭이 뚫려도 성급해하지않고 멀티에서 도착한 러커와 함께 저글링뮤탈이 마무리 하는 점, 베슬과 드랍쉽 격추, 9시 가스멀티 견제, 1시 앞마당에 3성큰 사이에 언버로우 러커를 둠으로써 벌처난입 방지 등 생각없이는 불가능한 지능적인 플레이의 연속이었다.
조금 더 디테일한 플레이는 이영호에게서 많이 나왔지만, 이는 이영호가 불리한 입장이여서 최대한 효율을 끌어올리고자 한 것이고, 이제동은 유리한 입장에서 경기를 지지않는 최상의 방법대로 계속 끌고가는 것을 보여줌으로써 명경기가 만들어졌다.
가장 중요한 순간은 극초반 마메병력 진출 후 추가 마린이 끊긴 것이었다고 본다. 좀 더 모아서 나왔거나 끊기지 않았다면 성큰을 하나 더 지었을 것이고, 뮤탈이 과감하게 들어올 판단을 하기 힘들었을텐데 이제동의 센스플레이로 안그래도 유리한 것이 굳혀지게 되지않았나싶다. 이제동이 타스타팅이 아니라 4시 멀티를 가져간 것도 참 좋은 플레이.
7드론임..
They still don't. In fact u don;t know wtf your talking about because both units have exact same hp and damage.
@Bleak13 I dunno about you but the commentators were favouring Flash throughout the entire game. As a Korean person, it was very distracting to see how they kept complementing him every fucking second.
Also, Keep in mind that flash couldn't harass him (noticed how his dropship went down in the beginning?) Whereas zerg was able to knock his expansion out.
It's true that mech is rather difficult to penetrate through, thats why it seemed like JD was "lagging".
anyone else having problems with software update on broodwar?
Beautiful days when 1 turret didn't stop 10 mutas like sc2
@RodelIturalde you dont need to explain it to me
i was just giving other "overpowered units" to balance the claim that darkswarm is overpowered as well
nothing in sc cant be countered
but at certain situations when u'r behind you cant really avoid it
jaedong went safe and rode his early advantage
очень динамичная и интересная партия.
@fiendin281 Flash was up to 4 bases at one point. It takes a 5 base Zerg to beat a 4 base Terran, sure.
also they meant "duel" in the name right?
Damn the intro was really good!
It still tells us something about how "balanced" SC 1 was. Zerg rules over the half of the map....the Terran has ONE FUCKING EXP and the Zerg is still pushed.
one word. TANKS. lol
@daboom2006 jaedong is on another level. Flash is #2 don't worry.
i think both played well
DID FLASH JUST SNIPE HIS OWN VESSEL?
I love this
김태형 말기에는 진짜 최악의 해설이라는게 다시 느껴지네. 내내 끌려만 다니다가 무력하게 진 이영호에게 집념이 대단하네 이제동이 인정 안할수가 없겠네라며 혼자 각본 쓰며 내내 이영호 칭찬만 하는게 해설이 할 소리냐?
@lobais going tech leaves terran with quite a small amount of gas
Шикарно!!! "непобедимый" терр -)
Jaedong playing with his son.
It`s ok for them in Korea to play online all day but try that with British rural internet and the match will disconnect before one match even finishes, Where the hell is this fibre optic stuff I keep hearing on the telly, its not planned in my area in the next two years and maybe years after that also.
fuck i watched it again LOL sick game
two legends
@Keftes89 Flash no 2? Is that why in almost every finals they meet. Flash ended up winning the award and Jaedong Nothing. He needed the blackout to help him win in the only time he won too.
진짜 벌쳐 리페어는 언발란스네
thanks good guy greg
@vanillacrem3 he only had 2 mining bases,,,,,
이제동이 역무 안가고 9시 견제 못했으면 더 장기전 가고 9시 바탕으로 테란이 커서 역전 당했을 그림인데 판단 기가막혔네
Is it me or is Dark Swarm Fucking ridiculously overpowered? Completely unfair.
@TheBarbahaba
How come, if mech/vultures is overpowerd, isn't every Terran do goliath/tank/vulture vs Zerg. Or doesn't everyone play Terran. There are ways to beat it with both P and Z. For example queens with Z, or arbiters with P.
In the KESPA top 30 there are 10 terran, 11 Zerg, 9 protoss, in top 10: 3 terr, 3 toss, 4 zerg. Though first toss is at place 5, then 6.
SC:BW is perfectly balanced.
리쌍록을 이렇게 재미없게 연출하나.. 대단하네
@steve89515
he was to much behind to continue bio play in this position.
And if he had won with hydras then hydras would be imbalanced
@daboom2006
its you
교과서같네ㅋㅋ 테란이 불리할 때 해야하는 것, 저그가 유리할 때 굳히는 법
이와중에 또틀리는 김캐리....ㅎㅎ
@daboom2006 dotn even start with blackout lol. Just focus on the current issues and u know flash lost 4 recent games to jaedong.
starcraft 2 sux hard
first time seeing Flash losing in BW (for me)
jaedong rulz..
My hero!!
people cstill play BW?
all the girls in the audience look so fucking nervous
@Saritenite
no was scourge
until now i dont know how stop that zerg's tech :c
Renzo Gonzales C. More firebats and mines, observertory
ULTRALISK DROP HARASS
so good :D
@LucaTurilli89 OVERPRICED
Im pretty sure Turret in SC2 has 250hp unlike SC1's 200hp turret.
soon in SC2 :D!
q gran juego pero no les entiendo ni pedo lo q hablan ;V
@jinhk93 Oh you wanna bet? you are basically going against every Korean sc watchers who also agrees with my point.
they failed to mention JD's key points like i said, first vessel kill and dropship kill. I go to fomos.kr for all news and I've seen hundreds of comments agreeing to my point.
@animalolz WTF ? I am fan :)
오 진짜네,,,,,,
그페어 씹사기
Tekkunology
guitars are win
lols 32:30 bad drink
EAT THE DONG FLASH! :D
@emperor1994 noob much?