After all that suffering and sadism everyone experienced in FE6, Idun being a joke final boss is the best reward this game could've given. (I swear those Wyvern Riders in chapter 7 still haunts me.)
That would be true if this was Vanila. In this case however, bringing Wolt, or really any archer is a good idea. As bow users with Murgleis being some of the few units who can double Iduun.
@Fermín Javier Arro Álvarez Everyone is relieved to hear the news because of the new face and new member of the team. But no matter much time, years will pass. She will always remain in my heart.
I find the ending anti-climatic in the original game needing only 1 attack with the binding blade. It would've been cool if the boss also have capability of regenerating its hp so the fight last longer
Yeah but at the same time, Idunn was supposed to be weak for a very good reason. I think this ending fits fe6 pretty well. After all the trouble, all the fights, you finally get rewarded with the satisfaction of giving Idunn a second chance.
I think the best way for it to improve is to add more enemies from the start, not just as new reinforcements, but more enemies from the start with the same small final map, that way, it won't be easy to just cheese through
I think the problems with this chapter (and the previous one) is that the only enemy "Dragons" you've been fighting (since Chapter 12) are the same class, Manaketes with 1 Range and no variety whatsoever. Wish there's more classes of Dragons than just the regular Fire one. Ice Dragons and even Wyverns from Fe12. As for the enemies blocking the way to Idun so as she wouldn't get 1-Turned, wouldn't it be a stretch to fight something like Generals? Manaketes turned human and wearing human armor to fight, or Wyvern Lords, turned human and fighting alongside their breathen.
Actually, she was supposed to wield a weapon called "Demon Dragonstone". It gave such a stupidly high stat boost that the only thing that could deal ANY notable damage was the Binding Blade. Nothing else worked for more than minor damage.
@@lillrice27 The rest of the game is like 4 chapters and you're still using a Level 1 recently promoted unit in a sea of level 10+ promoted units. I say give him the Ike treatment, make it unbreakable but maybe nerf it a bit. If Ike doesn't need to wield anything any more than Ragnell once he gets it, so should Roy.
Mannnn I miss the attack animations of the old fire emblem games. Especially the magic attacks. The newer games, even heroes, have sucky attack animations.. they should take a page from their older games.
My problem with the animations is that they are too damn quick. I wanna be able to enjoy the music because the original songs made for heroes are so freaking good (especially the boss themes) but you never hear them for longer then a second because you pretty much destroy them in one hit.
If a binding blade remake ever comes out, they should give Idun 1000 hp or something. (There will probably be plenty of ridiculous skills and stuff to dish out a lot of damage anyways)
@@DiogoJ1 That would be gamebreaking because the Divine Weapons only has 15 Might. Gonzalez's MAX Strength is 30 and MAX Damage is 45. If you reduced that further, Gonzalez becomes a bad unit. Only Sophia and Lilina can dish out damage using Magic.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast That makes her impossible! As if Shadow Dragon H5 Medeus wasn't hard enough. This can be acceptable on Binding Blade Lunatic at least.
So from what I understand, Idunn was originally going to be extremely hard. Anything other than the Binding Blade couldn't even hurt her, and if the player broke it early on, it would be near impossible to win without GameShark codes. Not to mention dark breath was a one hit kill on all but the toughest units. Ultimately, the developers ended up gutting her into the state we now know.
@Aisubun wasn't it just getting all the weapons from the scouring? It wasn't that hard. Blazing sword is harder because it can only be achieved in Hector mode.
Or a throne, three healthbars, and a siege attack as well as a 1-5 range attack. Or a move that disables your strongest options and puts them on cooldown instantly.
Idunn used to have a dragonstone, but they removed it because then, if the Sword of Seals broke, you basically couldn't win. (Which could be solved by simply giving it endless uses like every other personal weapon in the series.)
I will check on it, and see what's up. EDIT: I was able to download it. So it should still be working. forums.serenesforest.net/index.php?/topic/73238-fire-emblem-binding-blade-vindication-balance-patch-210-new-update/&tab=comments#comment-4929393
@@borby4584 From what I'm seeing, in this video. Idun can't attack at 2 range. That might be the reason. I've mad Iduun capable of 1-2 range, but the one behind that hack didn't.
That reminds me, now that I have FEbuilder, I probably should be able to turn off reinforcements and probably make enemies appear from the get-go of the chapter.
In FE 6, everything is the shit. Each new map is much more difficult than the last one. In Radiant Dawn, you are basically fighting an army with no end.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx If one is going to have that mentality, one might not play FE at all. Most good units require investment of some sort, and some of that investment comes naturally. (For instance, a good unit kills enemies and has good growths, so naturally, they will level up. Should that be considered "investment" when the unit is doing what he should be doing?)
@@DiogoJ1 Especially the comparison between Eliwood or Hector? Yeah, it does. Levelling bad units in midgame is tolerable at best. But if you train an Est archetype in lategame, you know you will not like it.
@@DiogoJ1 I think training bad units in FE6, especially in hard mode is really bad. I'll admit it. Ambush Spawns are everywhere and you have to rush to the throne before the reinforcements overwhelm you. The Maps on FE6 is so non-linear its difficult to navigate the terrain and the survivability of the trainees are just too slim and also there is a unit limit on each chapter so you will only have to train ONE trainee to boot.
@@DiogoJ1 sorry, I don't mean to sound ungrateful. I like the video. This Idunn fight is probably more well rounded than what the demon stone fight would have been.
Firstly: why are you using Sophia and Wolt? Secondly: Idunn isn't supposed to be a typical final boss. I think you're missing the point of the story that's trying to be told here. Idunn is only acting on Zephiel's will, and she doesn't know what to do on her own besides trying to stop them. If anything Zephiel is the true climactic encounter. He's the one who started everything and the one who the heroes need to take down. Making her into a more challenging fight is fine, but claiming "this is how a final boss should be" is kind of presumptious.
1st: Because they are good in my hack. Iduun wasn't the only change I made. 2nd: Except she clearly states that she intends to prevent Roy from stopping her, with him even commenting on how strong willed she is. "Your will...seems unbreakable..." Besides, it would be pretty anti-climatic if she wasn't really trying after all her brave words about how she must do Zephiel's will, no matter what.
@@DiogoJ1 I guess that's fine but I don't think how the game originally handled it is bad. I just get the impression that she is trying but she just isn't strong enough to do "what has to be done".
@@NinjaSox7 And that's precisely what I hate about those kind of final bosses. Specially if they say they will do their utmost to stop you. As they say, show, don't tell. She's supposed to be the dreaded demonic dragon, thus, she should have the power to back it up.
@@DiogoJ1 She's the only demon dragon. They turned her into one and she was a divine dragon. Realistically I could only imagine her going past a little past a capped Fae in terms of strength.
@@NinjaSox7 Okay. And we got many powerful dragons like Medeus, who wasn't even a Divine Dragon and was still tainted into becoming just as powerful if not more than a full grown Divine Dragon. Iduun is far older than Fae, so she would inevitably be far stronger as well. Either way, it's anticlimatic as it stands in the vanilla version.
serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/73238-fire-emblem-binding-blade-vindication-balance-patch-210-new-update/&tab=comments#comment-4929393. You are welcome. Do you know how to patch?
my favorite part about idun is that when you turn on hard mode all she gets is 1 extra hp
No way lmao
Zephiel also gets only 1 additional hp on hard mode.
It's since hard mode enemy bonuses are based on class growths, and the dark dragon and king classes have 0% in all stats except HP which is 10%.
After all that suffering and sadism everyone experienced in FE6, Idun being a joke final boss is the best reward this game could've given.
(I swear those Wyvern Riders in chapter 7 still haunts me.)
@@butteredsalmonella we dont talk about chapter 7
This is how powerful she is in Heroes tbh
I forgot that game exists
powercreep check: This comment holds up with her new ascended alt.
How it should be. Ascended Idunn is amazing and I hope her refine greatly improves her base version
@@Jasonmendez795 It did!
My L! Roy can still slay idunn no matter which one it is
Half this video : Sophia using apocalypse
Well, yeah, it's pretty much an erase button for any reinforcement dragons. She was buffed after all.
Apocalypse is utterly broken and the Manaketes were foolish enough to attack Sophia just to get bodied to Atoms
How to make boss harder: bring Wolt along.
That would be true if this was Vanila. In this case however, bringing Wolt, or really any archer is a good idea. As bow users with Murgleis being some of the few units who can double Iduun.
@@DiogoJ1
Murgleis/Mulagir gives Wolt,Sue,Shin or any Archers in General some +5 Speed.
So OP to use!
Use an Archer!
@@DiogoJ1
Murgleis/Mulagir gives Wolt,Sue,Shin or any Archers in General some +5 Speed.
So OP to use!
Use an Archer!
Fuck wolt
@@dingdonggaming7195
Understatement
Welcome to the crew Idunn.
@Fermín Javier Arro Álvarez
No,
She isn't.
I'll protect her.
@Fermín Javier Arro Álvarez
News?
You don't mean...
@Fermín Javier Arro Álvarez
Everyone is relieved to hear the news because of the new face and new member of the team.
But no matter much time, years will pass.
She will always remain in my heart.
@Fermín Javier Arro Álvarez
I didn't invent it directly.
I just expressed my thoughts.
Anyway, glad to see her in.
As it turns out, she doesn't need protection. At all.
Says Dark Breath...uses claw....
Pretty sure that's a Translation Issue
There is no official english version after all
@@justblacky4489
or she has several animations
basically, FEH Idun in a nutshell :P
Nice to see the ranged manakete flying head was fixed
3:13 dat squeeze animation tho
weird flex but ok
Man Apocalypse looks so freaking cool !
I find the ending anti-climatic in the original game needing only 1 attack with the binding blade. It would've been cool if the boss also have capability of regenerating its hp so the fight last longer
This is probably why The Black Dragon, King Dheginsea(Or most big bosses in the Tellius games) Regain HP every turn.
Yeah but at the same time, Idunn was supposed to be weak for a very good reason. I think this ending fits fe6 pretty well. After all the trouble, all the fights, you finally get rewarded with the satisfaction of giving Idunn a second chance.
@@voltron77I know people complain about her being weak, but I personally love it. Saving her is indeed your reward for making it this far!
Name of Idun's attack: Dark Breath
Actions of attack: Cleave you with either a claw or Its tail :/
U want sum tail? *flick *flack
@@WonkOfWonkyness lmao what
@@airielhaikal696 Didn't get the reference?
i just noticed she kinda looks like giratina in the overworld
I think the best way for it to improve is to add more enemies from the start, not just as new reinforcements, but more enemies from the start with the same small final map, that way, it won't be easy to just cheese through
I think the problems with this chapter (and the previous one) is that the only enemy "Dragons" you've been fighting (since Chapter 12) are the same class, Manaketes with 1 Range and no variety whatsoever. Wish there's more classes of Dragons than just the regular Fire one. Ice Dragons and even Wyverns from Fe12.
As for the enemies blocking the way to Idun so as she wouldn't get 1-Turned, wouldn't it be a stretch to fight something like Generals? Manaketes turned human and wearing human armor to fight, or Wyvern Lords, turned human and fighting alongside their breathen.
Actually, she was supposed to wield a weapon called "Demon Dragonstone". It gave such a stupidly high stat boost that the only thing that could deal ANY notable damage was the Binding Blade. Nothing else worked for more than minor damage.
The problem with this is that if the Binding Blade breaks, you're essentially fucked lol
@@butteredsalmonella binding blade should have been unbreakable
@@DestinyZX1 would be insanely easy to beat the game as Roy would solo the rest of the chapters basically
@@lillrice27 The rest of the game is like 4 chapters and you're still using a Level 1 recently promoted unit in a sea of level 10+ promoted units. I say give him the Ike treatment, make it unbreakable but maybe nerf it a bit. If Ike doesn't need to wield anything any more than Ragnell once he gets it, so should Roy.
Mannnn I miss the attack animations of the old fire emblem games. Especially the magic attacks. The newer games, even heroes, have sucky attack animations.. they should take a page from their older games.
I like how the regular mages spins then dabs and shoots out a tiny fire
I personally think Heroes isn't too bad with tome animations, but yeah they aren't as great as the GBA animations.
My problem with the animations is that they are too damn quick. I wanna be able to enjoy the music because the original songs made for heroes are so freaking good (especially the boss themes) but you never hear them for longer then a second because you pretty much destroy them in one hit.
Fe 10 had great animations
If a binding blade remake ever comes out, they should give Idun 1000 hp or something. (There will probably be plenty of ridiculous skills and stuff to dish out a lot of damage anyways)
Or they can simply give her 100 HP and Dragonskin, one which reduces damage by 75%.
@@DiogoJ1
That would be gamebreaking because the Divine Weapons only has 15 Might.
Gonzalez's MAX Strength is 30 and MAX Damage is 45.
If you reduced that further, Gonzalez becomes a bad unit.
Only Sophia and Lilina can dish out damage using Magic.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx We are talking about the remake, Armads wouldn't have 15 MT in it.
Dragonskin affects all types of damage, magic included.
@@DiogoJ1
So its Valentia all over again?
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast
That makes her impossible!
As if Shadow Dragon H5 Medeus wasn't hard enough.
This can be acceptable on Binding Blade Lunatic at least.
I legit thought Wolt was gonna die
So from what I understand, Idunn was originally going to be extremely hard. Anything other than the Binding Blade couldn't even hurt her, and if the player broke it early on, it would be near impossible to win without GameShark codes. Not to mention dark breath was a one hit kill on all but the toughest units. Ultimately, the developers ended up gutting her into the state we now know.
I think we should thank Athos, because his stats and his unbreakable Forblaze allowed IS to make a super-tanky final boss in Blazing Sword
Considering how much of a bitch it is to get this game's true ending I'll take that mercy
FE8 should be this hard tbh
@Aisubun wasn't it just getting all the weapons from the scouring? It wasn't that hard. Blazing sword is harder because it can only be achieved in Hector mode.
Or you know, give her a throne and 1-3 range.
Or a throne, three healthbars, and a siege attack as well as a 1-5 range attack.
Or a move that disables your strongest options and puts them on cooldown instantly.
Piglet dragon wins my heart.
Idunn modified to have Wary Fighter smh. You really are an armored dragon.
Thats why I love her.
Rip Allen
Pffft, every single crit you got was during a second attack when a normal attack would finish the fight, good ol'd RNG.
Idunn used to have a dragonstone, but they removed it because then, if the Sword of Seals broke, you basically couldn't win. (Which could be solved by simply giving it endless uses like every other personal weapon in the series.)
Hey I Can't Download The Patch Anymore The Link Is Dead
I will check on it, and see what's up.
EDIT: I was able to download it. So it should still be working.
forums.serenesforest.net/index.php?/topic/73238-fire-emblem-binding-blade-vindication-balance-patch-210-new-update/&tab=comments#comment-4929393
Hey, Do You Have To Talk Like This.
Nigga quit capitalizing everything
Good god, I thought Lilina was DEAD for sure.
You should’ve given her the Demon Stone
Yeah, I will probably try that to see what I can do with it.
No dice. It causes the animation to freeze and makes Idun a regular Manakete.
Diogo Jorge hacking must’ve been used in this, then.
ua-cam.com/video/urLEZpOeKqc/v-deo.html
@@borby4584 From what I'm seeing, in this video. Idun can't attack at 2 range. That might be the reason. I've mad Iduun capable of 1-2 range, but the one behind that hack didn't.
Binding Bald
Her original stats make her a hell if you didn't have the divine weapons
Sophia has 100% hot chance I call hacks
And can double. Hax
Well, duh? It says on the title that it is an edit.
Hot... chance?
I think you can get 100 hit chance with supports and around lvl 15 (promoted) with her.
@@funninoriginal6054 well, you can't say she is not hot
Hooray... ambush spawns.
That reminds me, now that I have FEbuilder, I probably should be able to turn off reinforcements and probably make enemies appear from the get-go of the chapter.
any way to get this hack room?
Search Serenes Forest for Vindication Binding Blade balance patch.
Here's a way to destroy idun get gonzales give him armadas and make sure to boost his skill to max
Reminds me of Ashera in RD normal/hard mode. only difference is that game gives you all the best units for free.
In FE 6,
everything is the shit.
Each new map is much more difficult than the last one.
In Radiant Dawn, you are basically fighting an army with no end.
Where’s Yoder
Arie?
and you also made the dragons have 1-2 range
3:00
better if that dark dragon was given +10 to all stats except speed and luck, much balance than this
No boots?
someone sure loves bad units
Not me, that's for sure.
@@DiogoJ1
Just because you have to invest, promote and kiss the hand of an RNGod so that a unit can be good?
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx If one is going to have that mentality, one might not play FE at all. Most good units require investment of some sort, and some of that investment comes naturally. (For instance, a good unit kills enemies and has good growths, so naturally, they will level up. Should that be considered "investment" when the unit is doing what he should be doing?)
@@DiogoJ1
Especially the comparison between Eliwood or Hector?
Yeah, it does.
Levelling bad units in midgame is tolerable at best.
But if you train an Est archetype in lategame, you know you will not like it.
@@DiogoJ1
I think training bad units in FE6, especially in hard mode is really bad.
I'll admit it.
Ambush Spawns are everywhere and you have to rush to the throne before the reinforcements overwhelm you.
The Maps on FE6 is so non-linear its difficult to navigate the terrain and the survivability of the trainees are just too slim and also there is a unit limit on each chapter so you will only have to train ONE trainee to boot.
Idun looks like Medea.
Midia?
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Medea from fate series.
@@user-bl6ni3yu4p
Oh,
is there Psp game for it?
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx yeah, fate unlimited codes and fate extra. But I don't play them.
@@user-bl6ni3yu4p
Same
I'm disappointed that you didn't give Idun her unused secret weapon, oh well.
You mean demonstone? Don't know about you, but when I tried it, it glitched the animation, so I abandoned the idea.
@@DiogoJ1 Yeah this one: ua-cam.com/video/urLEZpOeKqc/v-deo.html
@@DiogoJ1 sorry, I don't mean to sound ungrateful. I like the video. This Idunn fight is probably more well rounded than what the demon stone fight would have been.
@@0rnami Okay, no problem.
Never played Binding Blade, probably never will, since it wasn't released over here
That song and the boss look so creepy! 😮 Its weird how weak she is inthe original
sorry I didn't mean to be rude... again it was just a suggestion nothing more.
Okay, no problem.
Firstly: why are you using Sophia and Wolt?
Secondly: Idunn isn't supposed to be a typical final boss. I think you're missing the point of the story that's trying to be told here. Idunn is only acting on Zephiel's will, and she doesn't know what to do on her own besides trying to stop them. If anything Zephiel is the true climactic encounter. He's the one who started everything and the one who the heroes need to take down. Making her into a more challenging fight is fine, but claiming "this is how a final boss should be" is kind of presumptious.
1st: Because they are good in my hack. Iduun wasn't the only change I made.
2nd: Except she clearly states that she intends to prevent Roy from stopping her, with him even commenting on how strong willed she is. "Your will...seems unbreakable..."
Besides, it would be pretty anti-climatic if she wasn't really trying after all her brave words about how she must do Zephiel's will, no matter what.
@@DiogoJ1 I guess that's fine but I don't think how the game originally handled it is bad. I just get the impression that she is trying but she just isn't strong enough to do "what has to be done".
@@NinjaSox7 And that's precisely what I hate about those kind of final bosses. Specially if they say they will do their utmost to stop you. As they say, show, don't tell. She's supposed to be the dreaded demonic dragon, thus, she should have the power to back it up.
@@DiogoJ1 She's the only demon dragon. They turned her into one and she was a divine dragon. Realistically I could only imagine her going past a little past a capped Fae in terms of strength.
@@NinjaSox7 Okay. And we got many powerful dragons like Medeus, who wasn't even a Divine Dragon and was still tainted into becoming just as powerful if not more than a full grown Divine Dragon. Iduun is far older than Fae, so she would inevitably be far stronger as well.
Either way, it's anticlimatic as it stands in the vanilla version.
Still weakest boss in history *insert troll face here*
i wat this rom now lol
serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/73238-fire-emblem-binding-blade-vindication-balance-patch-210-new-update/&tab=comments#comment-4929393. You are welcome. Do you know how to patch?
@@DiogoJ1 i do not but i can try and figure it out