Team Khabib vs Jiu-Jitsu…
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2023
- Chael Sonnen talks Team Khabib vs Jiu-Jitsu on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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Correction: Makhachev never said Charles isn't blackbelt. He actually agreed with DC that Oliveira is a blackbelt but said poirier isn't. Makhachev even gave respect to Tony ferguson grappling skills.
Yes you are right he said it about Poirier
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Makhachev said that about Dustin Poirier not Charles Oliveira, it was said in an interview with Daniel Cormier, when DC was talking about Dustin trying to choke Khabib.
Yeah he said something along the lines of "yeah he's a real black belt, I'll give you that. But poirer?"
I was about to write the same comment
Sometimes I think Ol Chael misrepresents these things intentionally
@@thefacelessquestion3333 Chael mastermind subscribers leech :>
I agree what it is specifically is a variation of Combat Sambo inspired by Abdulmanap Nurmagomedovs time in the Soviet Army combined with the freestyle wrestling of the Caucasus along with Judo. We should really be calling it Nurmagomedov Sambo.
Pretty damn effective as a base to MMA. LOL
It’s MMA it’s not a single art. If I had to call it an art I’d say fighting. Team khabib has mastered the art of fighting
Wrestling and hugging isn't fighting bro
@@kedemah2763 then why they punch and submit opponent if it's wrestling??,
@@kedemah2763 Tell that to Michael Johnson, Edson Barboza and Conor Mcgregor. I am sure they would disagree.
Oh you accidentally said khabib instead of jones n gsp
@@kedemah2763 The thing is if team Khabib hugs you and there isn't a referee nearby, you'll have to be put in a casket.
Im actually shocked that people dont see how good Khabib and his team actually are
they see it, they just dislike dagestanis as people..
@@NERVEBREAAAKER HAHAHHA VERY TRUE, EVEN I KNOW THAT ABOUT THEY DONT LIKE DAGESTANI PEOPLE
@@NERVEBREAAAKER 💯
@@luthfan9395 Russo+Islamophobia
@@Rlouis367 Dagestan to Russia is what Algeria used to be to France, or India to England. Colony, in other words. Dagestanis have their own languages, culture, religion. There is zero commonality between them and Russians.
Gordon Ryan said it best. Sambo guys have a much higher caliber of wrestling conmpared to most BJJ guys. Their ability to impose top position is rewarded in the MMA rule set
I think this is because the guys from Khabibs camp including himself did combat Sambo. They essentially had hundreds of mma rounds before doing mma. They are the very few people who entered a new era of mma before it was popular. They figured out what worked and focused on in and threw everything else. They did this before the rest of the world did. This is why I think if applied correctly Combat Sambo is the best martial art for mma.
Also sambo has all the different systems and techniques to take a fighter dawn.
They got freestyle wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling but also judo with all its different types of throws and trips
They even got throws and trips semilar to muay thai.
Thats why high level sambo fighters like khabib, Islam, shavkat rakhmonov and zabit had all those different techniques to get the fight to the ground.
@@edwardelric5491 you’re right but zabit didn’t do sambo, he did Sanda which is a chinese varient of kickboxing and shaolin.
@@t.weber64kg my only critique of what you said it’s that it’s Abdulmanap’s camp not Khabibs. Khabib is a product of it, not the creator
@@rayal4395 He also did Sambo brother he was in a fight w Islam on UA-cam look it up I’m sure it was a Sambo match he’s also one of Abdulmanaps students just not apart of the originals and he had a very short stay I’m assuming.
I think it’s awsome that khabib never got cut or knocked out. Leaves the game practically untouched.
☝💪🏼
he got chinned a few times real good dude just got a good ass poker face and the best takedown at 155 by far
I love that Chael keeps talking about Sambo without doing a simple google search on Combat Sambo. Sambo is a mixed martial art based on judo, wrestling, and different standup systems
That’s Chael in a nutshell
Actually there is sport sambo witch is like judo before the bans.
And there is combat sambo witch is shootboxing with headgear and headbutting
Also sambo has all the different systems and techniques to take a fighter dawn.
They got freestyle wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling but also judo with all its different types of throws and trips
They even got throws and trips semilar to muay thai.
Thats why high level sambo fighters like khabib, Islam, shavkat rakhmonov and zabit had all those different techniques to get the fight to the ground.
@@edwardelric5491 zabit was a sanda fighter mainly
ok great
BJJ alone was sufficient 30 years ago when fighters didn't understand the danger of engaging in the clinch and being taken down but that's no longer the case now that strikers know the importance of maintaining distance and being able to stuff a takedown. It's like having a gun with no ammo, you need to be in the right position for the techniques to be rendered useful.
I don't even think this is the final iteration of MMA, there's still so many different styles. Volk gave Islam a run for his money (if he was 10lbs heavier... maybe it would have been different), so even Islam etc. has to improve his game otherwise he might get beat.. eventually, he'll get beaten but will be competitive and will probably win the belt back in the rematch or in the future. Light weight is stacked at the top.
He said this about Dustin Porier, not Charles
Thank you! How did he miss this? Lol
@@Pun_Solo might as well have said it about Charles seeing how Islam disposed of him
@@shaannaafir7268 Fair. Though Charles and Dusting are on nowhere near the same level of BJJ.
i feel like thiago moises bjj is more credential than charles. am i wrong?
@@JustLion890 You are actually not wrong. It's crazy because Moises' only submission loss is Makhachev.
Non black belt Makhachev finished a BJJ black belt using a BJJ move..the embarrassment
It's also a Sambo move. Moves ain't exclusive to arts. Boxing and Muay Thai both have jabs for example
Yodabjj pretty sure you could have get out of that arm triangle right? Jajaja
It’s a CACC (catch as catch can) move going back 100+ years to Farmer Burns & Strangler Lewis
Your just asking to get smoked
Catch
Uncle Chael...
He was talking about Dustin porier NOT Charles Oliveira. He said Charles DOES have a black belt. 😭
Especially with hearing Islam and Charles talk in the ring after the fight. I'm a Charles fan more than I am Islam but there was no doubt with what Islam said in terms of his respect towards Charles and his skill.
So, moral of the story is: Abdulmanap Nurmagomedov rest his soul was a visionary ahead of his time that found the most optimal starting formula for aspiring MMA fighters and future dominant greats.
Great comment, million % true. It’s not Dagestani wrestling its Abdulmanap sambo that’s smashing it
@@jamesattwood7441 True, there are plenty of Dagestanis who are lurking in the lower rankings, they're tough sure but they are not of the calibre of Abdulmanap's students. That man was special and people need to study him and his life thoroughly if they want a shortcut to the answer of how to become great in this unforgiving sport.
SO is it fair to sayht Abdul Manap Nurmagomedov took aspects of different grappling disciplines, found what works best, and made his own style that should be recognized as such? A unique grappling/fighting style?
I agree 💯
Point
Because of khabib's influence and how his style of fighting change the game.
There is definitely a before and an after in the world of mma because of khabib.
For example his cage wrestling style everyone in the game now try to imitate it.
Also sambo has all the different systems and techniques to take a fighter dawn.
They got freestyle wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling but also judo with all its different types of throws and trips
They even got throws and trips semilar to muay thai.
Thats why high level sambo fighters like khabib, Islam, shavkat rakhmonov and zabit had all those different techniques to get the fight to the ground.
The most obvious difference Khabib style from others is he used his hands and legs especially on the ground, as Chael said years ago, he had never seen all his life someone did what Khabib did, and last two years, Khabib was invited by the BJJ Fanatic Co founder Bernardo Faria, a 5x BJJ Black belt world champion to their gym for a demo video on how Khabib executed his style
The way they get dominant position and look to do damage and finish gives them the respect that other wrestlers dont get
Does Chael not know the IOC granted The International Sambo Federation full recognition like 3 months ago hahaha
Chael sold me how big the moment of this particular match means for future fights
Congratulations, you are now all witnessing combat sports
that has been hidden behind the Iron Curtain for decades.
Sambo is no joke.
Davi ramos has a gold medal in ADCC. Same for kron gracie. Gilbert is not the world champion but charles was considered to have best bjj based on his success in submitting is opponents because there are a lot of ADCC world champions in ufc (as i mentioned above) but they are not quite successful in submitting their opponents in fights.
Individual skills and opponents also matter a lot
Being a world champion in guard pulling will just give you the world championship on the wrong side ass whooping. Better learn how tk wrestle: hence Sambo
The art is called MMA, only few can master it
GSP, Jon Jones, DJ/MM come to mind😊
@@ts0088 thats still a few, if we look at fighters objectively the most dangerous guys would be, khabib, gsp, jones, colby, might mouse, cejudo, charles oliveria, volkanovski, these guys all have a plan a,b,c,d,e,f all down to z. At this point all that truly matters is ground game.
@@nia9045 colby? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@youthoftoday yeah not a fan of his schtick but hes a great fighter.
@@nia9045 i agree Colby is a great fighter, but he is not a complete one. He still lacks in striking and submission departments
Thank god fights are back this weekend lmao
It was Abdulmanap's teaching. Not all Sambo guys can beat BJJ. Khabib is opening a new gym at his mountain village. If you can get the invitation to go to Dagestan(you can't go to Dagestan unless they invite you) and learn the art from them.
Mostly it’s wrestling. On the ground, pinning an opponent is crucial for gnp and wrestling is all about working position. BJJ is, as you said, more relaxed.
I like how he shouts mma stuff at us, i hope Americans don’t cancel him for being muscling, aggressive,toxic, whatever nonsense they keep coming up with
It's not just a Sambo, it's nurmagomedov Sambo
He was talking about Poirier when he talk about black belts
You can’t be dominant in MMA. It’s hard to master that. You can master a specific martial art but when all arts enter the cage and see who is the winner, it’s hard.
Khabib is a martial artist. Master the art of CAGE fighting.
GSP did it
INSHALALA KHABIB #1 FANBOY REPORT FOR DUTY ALL FIGHTER DUCK ISLAM INSHALALA
Gordon Ryan vs Khanib. LETS GO!
Khabib’s team members have no gaps in their grappling skills. When I watched the One Championship grappling matches with sambo vs bjj recently I thought the sambo players would dominate the stand up and position. They seemed to me that they only had slight advantage. Those matches made me wonder if regular sport sambo players are incomplete grapplers the way most bjj players or wrestlers are and Khabib’s boys are the only one’s who have the whole formula.
Well that's because brother khabib and his team aren't just sambo practitioners they are Dagestani sambo practitioners and I know a lot of people are about to snap on me in the comments right now saying that Dagestan is a part of Russia and they have the same sambo and I am not trying to debate that I just want you to Google the word Dagestan open the Wikipedia page that will show up look at the notable athletes section and you will understand what I am saying Dagestan not only has some Olympic freestyle and Greco and judo champions but they also have Olympic and professional boxing champions they have sanda kickboxing legends they have some very high level muaythai stadium champions they even have high-level practitioners of every form of combat they even started having more and more bjj practitioners and schools lately and they happened to be a very close community the way they treat each other for multiple reasons . so if you are a a sambo practitioner you get to train with all those people who all do different martial arts just like of you were in an MMA gym and you are a kickboxer and you need to train with a bjj blackbelt so they are basically doing MMA not sambo people say the difference is just the jacket but no in combat sambo you don't get rewarded points on striking aims to either knock your opponent out to win the match or get close to your opponent to initiate grappling so there is no reason to try and be a good striker when you are a some what decent one but when you train with sanda guys for example to drill your reactive takedowns or Muaythai guys to sharpen your striking you obviously need to be better and it's the same with every other aspect of the game if you are a very good judoka in sambo you don't have to be that good of a wrestler because in sambo judo throws are way more rewarding than double or single legs but if you go and you train with wrestling Olympic and world champions as we have seen both zabit and Islam do you gonna need to be a way better wrestler than typical sambo guys that's why Dagestani guys look so much better than normal sambo guys in any competition they get into it almost seems like they are doing a completely different martial art.
What You have watched was a Sambo practitioner and bjj practitioner in a bjj match. How about we put both guys in a combat sambo match? Yeah, it's as simple as that.
@@BobSaint Is the point that the Sambo guys that lost to the BJJ guys would have beat the BJJ guys under combat sambo rules? Idk maybe. Idk if those guys train a ton of striking. I counter that point (which might not have been your point, just my best guess) with Dagestani fighters would beat either of them in a BJJ, Sambo, Combat Sambo, or MMA rulesets. To reiterate and clarify my previous point, sambo guys are incomplete grapplers, BJJ guys are incomplete grapplers, Dagestani Combat Sambist are much closer to complete.
They should make up their own style and just call it smash
the most dominant art for MMA is MMA, and the most dominant art within MMA is wrestling, and Khabib and the boys can all wrestle!!!
Sambo is a slightly altered variation of Judo with different rule sets. Btw you don't need a jacket to do either martial arts. Just like you don't need one for BJJ.
That’s a deep question and a very exciting point due to the magnitude of the answer to the question. “What do we call that” we’ll noticed and thanks for sharing
I like the idea of taking the belt away. Brings back that 80s bravado feel.
That art is just "SMASH"
INSHALALA KHABIB #1 FANBOY REPORT FOR DUTY ALL FIGHTER DUCK ISLAM INSHALALA
' smesh'
I kinda think they are doing sambo. They are not doing wrestling because Khabib and Islam have superb submission skills . We’ve seen plenty of college wrestlers in the UFC and none, including Bo Nickal , Usman, and Colby have submission or throwing skills. I think sambo is a mixture of judo and wrestling
Interesting point of view, Khabib loves Judo a lot (he said it in an interview and debating with Cejudo over which martial arts is the best)
This is accurate. Pure sport sambo and judo competition are very close. Basically throws, takedowns, and armbars. Sport sombo allows leglocks but no chokes. Judo allows chokes but no leglocks. I don't think I've been to a sombo meet back in the day that did not have a judo player or two in the mix.
The stuff Khabib, Islam, et al are doing is within reach of the combat and sport sombo I was doing back in the late 90's and early aughts.
The biggest difference between sambo and jiu jitsu is CONDITIONING, They legit work out and build muscle to be able to hold there opponents down, and it might come as a surprise that most fighters don't focus on this one simple thing, if more people focus on actually building muscle and wrestling then of course you'll dominant
It's a small region; they're all cousins.
Chael, THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR THE LAUGH 😃
"OOOUUU, THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS" LOL 😆
When is this fight happening?
There’s a difference in Dagestan wrestling and sambo then abdulmanop wrestling and sambo. The khabib camp is better and different then the other guys from there. Abubakar showed that in his last fight. He’s considered the “runt” of the group and he beat and controlled the other guy who also sambo Dagestan wrestling guy. That specific team has done something different. That’s why people can bring in Dagestan and sambo guys all they want but it’s different and they still can’t figure it out.
"There's dagestani guys then there's Khabib." Roe Jogan
Its not like these guys have 0 bjj either they have multiple cross training with bjj or wrestling or kickboxing thats the whole point. They just dont need that belt stuff. I recall them working with Renzo in the blue basement in NY
We have to check this moment
Abdulmanaps grappling lineage will be one of honor
I wish Chael made a video discussing how Mikey musimeci called out the world sambo champion and they booked him with Gantumar who just won the world sambo championship .. jitsu vs sambo round 2 tonight on ONE championship
I call it “Khabib Art “
that’s thing thing with BJJ. there’s black belts and then there’s black belts
Great content
It's a fighting art
Chael is the ultimate black belt in being the peoples champ!
Last time I was this early, I stepped off the airplane runway
Jujitsu for the real world situation ❎
Sambo for the real world situation ✅
One doesn’t make sense, and that is jiu jitsu.
Isn’t Sambo like Gaidojutsu ? A mix of a bunch of arts that are effective ?
The art is called: Pinless Submission wrestling
That art is 'Father's Plan'
If u watch 30 min interview with Javier on submission radio u can find out more to most of not all questions u brought up in video! If u don't wanna watch hear is quick overview, khabib will be ready for any and all questions and takes of both figters and coaches going into fights he goes into much more info on interview and says he will be working for eveything such as technical, emotional supportfor everyone... just from his home! 🍻👊👊
Not just Dagestan, most of the Caucasus region.
Not to be confused but how did this conversation start?
0:14 Well...
I believe Chael’s statement is incorrect that Islam said, “Charles should not have a black belt”. He was actually referring to Poirier in his interview with Cormier. Poirier has much inferior Ju-jitsu skills in comparison to Charles. In fact, Islam acknowledged Charles Ju-jitsu.
It's Sambo, unc. Just accept it. Remember.....Fedor? It's Sambo.
He said that about Dustin not Charles Olivera Unc
I am not sure if I call it wrestling since they don't wrestle folkstyle they did freestyle or greco. It's a style of grappling that is built from Olympic wrestling, sambo and jujitsu. What ever it is. Its the best style right now. We'll see how long it takes for someone to counter it. It's probably just a mindset of training so hard that no matter the style you are going to get beat by the strength and endurance of these guys.
Also Judo. Islam and Khabib are both really, really into Judo.
It's called chain wrestling
judo + wrestling + Jiu Jitsu =🦅from Dagestan
Islam is a Judo blackbelt and Sambo world Champion.
@@Bobbyblue22 From what I can tell is Sambo is Russian Judo. I think Judo has alot of good technique but doing judo under wrestling rules will make you a better fighter. The Judo rules are just weird what they restrict. Sambo seems very legit just very few do it so it isn't tested like wrestling. Every country has wrestling. Russia the only country that has large organized Sambo.
Credit should go to Abdulmanap not Khabib. Yet he wasn’t mentioned!
I want to see Khabib vs Gordon Ryan
In MMA or jiu jitsu match?
Gordon haven't fought a single fight yet. And his competition weight is one and half of the size of Khabib's fighting weight. One can not strike but can choke out the Mountain. The other one can lift and make smash potato from light fighters for 25 minutes and not taking the juice or not as much.
The outcome would be mostly the matter of whose term they would fight under.
Just call it position grappling. There solved it for you Chael P.
No need to over think it.
Until bjj develops better grappling, SAMBO has the advantage
There was a Sambo champion vs a BJJ guy in ONE not too long ago, BJJ guy won.
@@Alvin-xs7db thats pure grappling though
@@lawrence4301 Yeah but OP is talking about grappling. In that aspect I'd say BJJ is superior. When theres strikes mixed in and also a strong background in wrestling of course it'll look like SAMBO is better, Islam is simply the more well rounded fighter.
judo + wrestling + Jiu Jitsu =🦅from Dagestan
@@Alvin-xs7db bjj is more popular with a much deeper pool of talent, and isn’t shy to pick up techniques from other schools as long as they work. It also has a more developed no gi style. (No real disagreement)
Khabib said in an interview that Said isn’t related but they know each other.
Never forget Dillion Danis got subdued by Paul Blart and he’s a black belt …..
As a black belt, I can in fact confirm that that is a problem.
He technically said, "we need to cancel more black belts" and doing a funny hand sign that must mean delete or cancel in Russian. PS... its not wrestlijg.wrestling.. they aren't wearing shoes or a singlet....
Islam had balls to say it 20 hours before the fight
It's not Sambo they be using combat Sambo totally different it's basically MMA with headbutts and ground kicks
#8 -- my PB
I know Chael has always had a somewhat raspy voice, but im detecting an unusual amount of strain when he speaks. Its probably just from talking for long periods of time etc. I'm not being critical of it, just a little concerned and think he should get his throat checked if he hasn't already done so. I've been noticing this for a few months now but haven't seen anyone in the comments address it. Or, its 100% possible that I dont know wtf I'm talking about.
The art we all are looking for is weaponized wrestling
1:31
Imo, "take it with a grain of" I'm a hobbyists brown belt" There are too many "Black Belts" in mma. I think it's a way to advertise your gym. I have seen some inexplicable bjj from black belts in mma. That is partially due to getting rocked and partially being promoted too early and not fully understanding bjj.
Comment section: Khabib represents all grappling styles because he trained all styles in MMA gym.
Also comment section: Oliveira represents BJJ because he trained all styles in MMA gym.
Khabibs dad taught them no gi Judo/Combat Sambo and freestyle wrestling later on they got BJJ guys in the team who also helped them. there videos on youtube where Khabibs dad lined them up and was talking about achievements and on there you can see who was doing MMA who was doing Judo, Sambo and BJJ....
Lieb-Jitsu is better than both. It involves the penith muscle 💪
They are definitely applying Combat Sambo into a mma setting. If a kid is raised doing combat Sambo vs any other named martial art and put into mma, I believe combat Sambo will win every time.
Interesting, I wonder if team Khabib faced the best bjj black belts at NAGA or EBI if they would still win.
They just might. Khabib was a NAGA champ.
Reguardless, Makhachev stung Olivera with a punch before subbing him via arm triangle. Their grappling is specifically tailored for mma wheras bjj wasn't. Doesn't mean it can't work but the Eastern Europeans will have a major edge.
Yeah but islam completely neutralized Charles on the ground. He’d still get his hand raised after 5 rounds just by controlling top position
Islam trains with yuri simoes and gary tonon in aka look these guys up
@@rexyz5875 I know who they are. They're good
judo + wrestling + Jiu Jitsu =🦅from Dagestan
Sambo is more pragmatic than you think chael.i would say that most of the take downs and wall wrestling they do is from sambo. Old sambo had a very strong juso influence aka kano jujitsu before the name was changed to judo. So the sambo was based on a much stronger robust judo to the point that judo competition rules were changed because judokas with a sambo backround kept doing moves that caught regular judokas off guard
Could the Nurmagomedov name be used like Muay Thai fighters where they make their last name for fight cards the same as the gym they train at? They were trained by Nurmagomedov so they use the name for fighting?
I’m going with the Dagestani guys are simply tougher than the rest because of all the wrestling and they’ve been on “vitamins” from a young age. Allegedly
Sambo is a mixture of wrestling judo and jiu jitsu
I have watch Sambo competitions and I think it is really similar to mma
I'm so glad
love how you tied the liver king into this and how he fit into all this
Regardless this is a great breakdown of what Khabib style of MMA really is
Chael doing his best to explain why the Slavs are gonna take over
Chael im pretty sure everyone in dagestan is related 😂
Khabibs father was a master of combat sambo so it’s no surprise he was also a master at mma which is very similar to mma.
Sambo rules bro who ever agrees or not !!! And if sambo would be easy it would be call jut jitsu lol man I fucking miss khabib
Gordon Ryan vs Khabib and/or all the rest of his team in a quintet form.I would take Gordon beating all five in less the five minutes of course all subs. The best Jiu Jitsu in the world is in Austin Tx.
So Chael is saying wrestling with submissions? If that's the case then he's talking about catch wresting. There's actually three forms of it: Luta livre, Shoot wrestling, british catch wrestling. Now there is one more: Smesh wrestling.
1:28 the video could end after this sentence 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “stay with me because I threw few Nurmagomedovs at ya” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think they've proven their case. Islam tossed Charles around like it was nothing
You call it a SPORT. If you know you know.
Mars direct today!