The problem here is that even if you do 100% believe the "victim" here without evidence, there still is no crime, legally or morally. She was an adult out drinking and participating in intimate game in and intimate setting. Dude made a move and touched her, she got up and left because she didn't want to engage, and no further incident occurred. It's not even a story worth telling.
That's exactly what I'm getting from the whole story, what is really the moral here? We could say: don't ever touch anybody without getting verbal enthusiastic consent first and yet that's just not how real life usually occurs, speaking, of course, from experience. It's not like I can really blame the guy that touched me and ultimately respected my decision not to pursue like George respected Caitys decision and didn't pursue when she didn't, that's really all these is to it
no he didn’t…? he admitted to it. he admitted to touching her in that way while she was heavily intoxicated. drunk people cannot consent, the drinking may have been her choice but it was HIS choice to touch her while she was in that state
they were both drunk and though he definitely could be lying or couldn't tell she was uncomfortable we also don't know if shes lying so id say it would be safe to stay neutral. He says he thinks she was having a good time, she says she wasn't, as a person whos been in her position I'm not particularly mad at the person who did similar things to me for not knowing.@@vanitaslover
Y'all are demented, evidence wise George is the mvp here. Like what evidence does Caiti have? Accusations, and crying. If she comes out with evidence that is better than george's good for her but rn George is going strong.
@@vanitasloverhe was also "in that state" and he said she seemed to give no signs of discomfort. The girl said multiple lies/bent the truth and George gave proof of those with sharing thr texts between them. Now you cant prove anything that happened between them in real life, it was proved that she lied, being said you dont know if you can take her word for anything. George's side seems more believeable,and it looks like the girl is exaggerating things to make it look worse for George, probably because she has seen how much support Shelby is getting being an actual victim
I don't believe he should be criticized or attacked in such a harsh manner with no evidence. Caiti has every right to regret what happened back then, but the video/stream she created came out of nowhere and was clearly intended to provoke a reaction from people. If the situation was truly that bad, it should have been handled privately/legally. I don't understand why people share something so serious for everyone to view and judge.
There are valid reasons for people to go public with their experience with content creators, especially popular ones with a lot of influence. That was the case with some of the older UA-cam creators that were outed for being child predators, abusers, scammers, groomers, ect. Even just sharing your story of sexual violence might make a community of people that support and understand each other, however this situation doesn't really fall into that category and didn't seem to come from a genuine place of vulnerability with how Caity emitted the 21+ bracelet, the game on her phone being passed around the whole couch of people, and just the general language she used. She didn't even try to tell people she regretted drinking illegally, putting herself in dangerous situations by going to places that were 21+ which should be the take away from the situation. Of course, you can say not to ever put your hands on somebody (even if you're under the influence) without verbal consent (verbal consent can be technically coerced so you aren't really safe there either). Perhaps, that should actually be the real take away, don't go to parties, don't drink, don't touch people (that's not how real life works) Is essence, I fully agree that the vile comments in his direction don't have a truly valid place to be but twitter will still go "ROT IN HELL" at him
@@HelloHi-ek2nk I personally support victims telling their story out publicly but it is cringe to publicly shame someone purposefully and not provide any evidence at the same time. If someone thinks that they should expose someone for something this serious then at least put some effort into it. Also i am saying victims should come out in like serious allegations like SA, Grape, DV, Coercion etc and not like someone disliking that another person made them pay for a meal or someone ghosted someone or some petty stuff like that.
@@Leon-bg7gk The real difference between Caitys situation and Shubbles is that her story was backed up by other people that experienced similar treatment from Wilbur, like biting and manhandling Niki talked about in an old stream, manipulation behind the scenes, ect. I think just how it was handled with Shubbles coming forward from a genuine place it's so much easier to believe and sympathize with her. Her goal was to uplift other people and protect others from a potentially still abusive person, that is a justifiable and even noble reason to come forward. But with Caity? I don't see the actual reason why she couldn't come to court and get some justice, there are a lot of people that already supported her, it just feels disingenuous
Cannot wait for the video where you go over George's response. I'm new here, only found you because of this accusation stuff but man, if you were a lawyer with these analyzing skills you'd make bank my friend.
I get that people are siding at her side but people on twitter really don't need to tell him too k!ll himself or to rot in h*ll and if he really did what people say it would be very very devastating to lose someone over a tweet on twitter. either way i love your video new sub!!!
Bro I hate the internet now a days, it’s always about someone accusing someone else with ZERO evidence, everyone believing it cause they be acoustic. Then even more people back tracking on what they said to bring down someone who hasn’t done anything. (Or hasn’t been proven to have done anything)
In all seriousness tho I’m gonna wait till caitibuggz responds back cuz as you said there’s no proof. I also don’t wanna discredit her story and experience if it did happen but unlike George she has no proof only her own words. Unlike the Wilbur situation, there are others that can back up her story with similar experiences. Even Wilbur admits it to some degree. I’m not a fan of either, but I also agree innocent until proven guilty. Who knows maybe catibuggz has more on the matter and for me I’ll be neutral. I just hope cati will be ok if they are true
I think it is not fair at this point, George brought up some evidence that proves she was lying at some serious points. What evidence does she posses to make her lies regarding those points true instead of lies.
I agree, George provided proof and Cati did actually say she had like a screen recording or something but I’ve heard that she said she didn’t want to show it
@@novreetosdoritos exactly and I’m not trying to make fun of her or anything but I’m her stream it looks like she’s trying super hard to cry and it looks so much like a fake cry, but that might just be how she cries idk
@@xHKxx I was scared to mention it because I don't want to be attacked but her crying looked so fake and it was like she was prepared to cry like that constantly but you can be right and that could be how she cries
Its definetely organised in some capacity. Im sorry to say it, but its too suspicious that two ccs from the same group are being accused of the same thing in the same period of time. Yes you can speak up about SA on the back of someone else doing so but it wouldnt be brought around so quickly if so. Thered be time in between. Someone has a vendetta against the dream smp, and wants them all out of the spotlight as MCYTs top creators. Idk who it could be but i have suspicions
Wait but like , seriously , i'm not really into that drama but on my tl i keep seeing ppl talking about "their SA/R*PE" and like those past 2 weeks A LOT of people have been doing this. Maybe Shelby inspired them but like uhm are we sure that SOME OF THEM aren't faking things..? It's just weird in my opinion , i don't understand anything w what's going on.
for the love of god, will people STOP CALLING HIM A RAPIST???? BOTH OF THEM CONFIRMED THAT THEY DIDNT SLEEP TOGETHER!!! USING IT SO CASUALLY TAKES THE POWER AWAY FROM THE WORD
Maybe because evidence is extremely difficult in a scenario that rarely has evidence. No one walks around with a camera filming every thing they say and do. That’s why it’s such a difficult thing and discussing ur story always results in a plethora of backlash on both sides.
Legally speaking, what usually happens when there isn't and can't be be concrete physical evidence like a DNA test, rape kit, ect that proves *certainly* that something of that nature happened, there are other forms of, still, *evidence* that are looked at, like statements that are collected from a non bias point of view, of people that were just there or nearby. If that's not enough to say a verdict the whole context is looked at, the accused character in general(if he had such accusations before), what kind of environmental it was, ect. I'm just saying this because i saw a few other stories like this go viral, a girl got drunk at a party, met a guy that was also drinking and they had intercourse. The way people reacted was vary varied, the girl did go to court with that story and in the end after a long process that was milked for views just got poor popularity for drinking, promiscuity and partying at a young age. I'm not saying that Caitys feelings aren't valid and that what happened wasn't bad or traumatic for her, it is fully up to her how to view her story from her perspective. And yet Georges point of view has it's validity as well just with the way their stories match in their general sense. They went to a parties that were supposed to be 21+, got into a hotel room and played drinking games where things got moderately intimate and then went their separate ways, never to meet again. That story can be looked at differently from both sides and that can't be ignored. It is scary to live in a world where your story can be ignored and invalidated but things aren't just black and white in the real world
@@jackirish9022 it’s like you didn’t watch George video, he show screenshots of evidence & receipts in his 25 minute video & she didn’t in her 30 minute video “ slience is not consent “ you’re acting like he abuse or assault her with no proof that he did, “she didn’t stop him because she scare” okay how do you know that ? Were you there ?
@@zuikerou3525 I did and it was terrible. He gave no good excuses. Silence is not consent support with victims? But you seem to only want victims to be punished.
@@jackirish9022 you seem like false allegations, he did show evidence, you did watch it but you call it awful but when the accuser made a 30 minute video with no evidence you just believe her, “slience is not consent” once again you’re acting like he abuse her or assault her with no proof “but it seem you want the victim to be punished” oh you mean George the one who’s is the victim getting falsely accused of being punished? You’re so messed up, I can’t believe people like you trust a false allegation
DOUBLE UPLOAD??? YESSSSIRRRSKIII
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You might have to triple upload because George finally streamed
@@beokaza1345 im streaming today to watch it WITH YALL
@@chleepy ah yes I see now. I commented instantly ha
@@chleepywhen??
@@Crdi now
The problem here is that even if you do 100% believe the "victim" here without evidence, there still is no crime, legally or morally. She was an adult out drinking and participating in intimate game in and intimate setting. Dude made a move and touched her, she got up and left because she didn't want to engage, and no further incident occurred. It's not even a story worth telling.
Exactly! Also, George said that after she got up, she soon sat back down next to him. So it’s not like she was fleeing
That's exactly what I'm getting from the whole story, what is really the moral here? We could say: don't ever touch anybody without getting verbal enthusiastic consent first and yet that's just not how real life usually occurs, speaking, of course, from experience. It's not like I can really blame the guy that touched me and ultimately respected my decision not to pursue like George respected Caitys decision and didn't pursue when she didn't, that's really all these is to it
except she didnt get up and leave, she came back multiple times
George gave a good response with evidence tho-
no he didn’t…? he admitted to it. he admitted to touching her in that way while she was heavily intoxicated. drunk people cannot consent, the drinking may have been her choice but it was HIS choice to touch her while she was in that state
they were both drunk and though he definitely could be lying or couldn't tell she was uncomfortable we also don't know if shes lying so id say it would be safe to stay neutral. He says he thinks she was having a good time, she says she wasn't, as a person whos been in her position I'm not particularly mad at the person who did similar things to me for not knowing.@@vanitaslover
Y'all are demented, evidence wise George is the mvp here. Like what evidence does Caiti have? Accusations, and crying. If she comes out with evidence that is better than george's good for her but rn George is going strong.
@@vanitasloverhe was also "in that state" and he said she seemed to give no signs of discomfort. The girl said multiple lies/bent the truth and George gave proof of those with sharing thr texts between them. Now you cant prove anything that happened between them in real life, it was proved that she lied, being said you dont know if you can take her word for anything. George's side seems more believeable,and it looks like the girl is exaggerating things to make it look worse for George, probably because she has seen how much support Shelby is getting being an actual victim
@@vanitasloverthey were both drunk but its always the mans fault ig 🙄🙄
I don't believe he should be criticized or attacked in such a harsh manner with no evidence. Caiti has every right to regret what happened back then, but the video/stream she created came out of nowhere and was clearly intended to provoke a reaction from people. If the situation was truly that bad, it should have been handled privately/legally. I don't understand why people share something so serious for everyone to view and judge.
There are valid reasons for people to go public with their experience with content creators, especially popular ones with a lot of influence. That was the case with some of the older UA-cam creators that were outed for being child predators, abusers, scammers, groomers, ect. Even just sharing your story of sexual violence might make a community of people that support and understand each other, however this situation doesn't really fall into that category and didn't seem to come from a genuine place of vulnerability with how Caity emitted the 21+ bracelet, the game on her phone being passed around the whole couch of people, and just the general language she used. She didn't even try to tell people she regretted drinking illegally, putting herself in dangerous situations by going to places that were 21+ which should be the take away from the situation.
Of course, you can say not to ever put your hands on somebody (even if you're under the influence) without verbal consent (verbal consent can be technically coerced so you aren't really safe there either). Perhaps, that should actually be the real take away, don't go to parties, don't drink, don't touch people (that's not how real life works)
Is essence, I fully agree that the vile comments in his direction don't have a truly valid place to be but twitter will still go "ROT IN HELL" at him
@@HelloHi-ek2nk Yeah. That definitely makes sense. I appreciate your reply, helps me get some understanding on why people post the videos they do.
@@HelloHi-ek2nk I personally support victims telling their story out publicly but it is cringe to publicly shame someone purposefully and not provide any evidence at the same time. If someone thinks that they should expose someone for something this serious then at least put some effort into it. Also i am saying victims should come out in like serious allegations like SA, Grape, DV, Coercion etc and not like someone disliking that another person made them pay for a meal or someone ghosted someone or some petty stuff like that.
@@hyui5096 That's also what I meant by the stream she did was very out of nowhere, with no evidence whatsoever.
@@Leon-bg7gk The real difference between Caitys situation and Shubbles is that her story was backed up by other people that experienced similar treatment from Wilbur, like biting and manhandling Niki talked about in an old stream, manipulation behind the scenes, ect. I think just how it was handled with Shubbles coming forward from a genuine place it's so much easier to believe and sympathize with her. Her goal was to uplift other people and protect others from a potentially still abusive person, that is a justifiable and even noble reason to come forward. But with Caity? I don't see the actual reason why she couldn't come to court and get some justice, there are a lot of people that already supported her, it just feels disingenuous
Ok. George is seriously making Wilbur Soot look even worse! 💀
read the comment again more closely@@Gamic747
Are you implying that George is worse than Wilbur? Assuming everything said was true, that would be silly
@@beokaza1345 no. I'm saying Wilbur is looking worst by comparison.
@@ShadyRK9 ah I see ok
"george is making WILBUR look bad" that is in fact the opposite of what they are saying@@beokaza1345
how is your voice so chill, I don't even care too much abt the drama it's just so soothing
she was drunk before going to the ¨party¨
Cannot wait for the video where you go over George's response. I'm new here, only found you because of this accusation stuff but man, if you were a lawyer with these analyzing skills you'd make bank my friend.
I get that people are siding at her side but people on twitter really don't need to tell him too k!ll himself or to rot in h*ll and if he really did what people say it would be very very devastating to lose someone over a tweet on twitter. either way i love your video new sub!!!
Bro I hate the internet now a days, it’s always about someone accusing someone else with ZERO evidence, everyone believing it cause they be acoustic. Then even more people back tracking on what they said to bring down someone who hasn’t done anything. (Or hasn’t been proven to have done anything)
I agree with a lot of your points on this man good videos keep it up
In all seriousness tho I’m gonna wait till caitibuggz responds back cuz as you said there’s no proof. I also don’t wanna discredit her story and experience if it did happen but unlike George she has no proof only her own words.
Unlike the Wilbur situation, there are others that can back up her story with similar experiences. Even Wilbur admits it to some degree. I’m not a fan of either, but I also agree innocent until proven guilty.
Who knows maybe catibuggz has more on the matter and for me I’ll be neutral. I just hope cati will be ok if they are true
I think it is not fair at this point, George brought up some evidence that proves she was lying at some serious points. What evidence does she posses to make her lies regarding those points true instead of lies.
I agree, George provided proof and Cati did actually say she had like a screen recording or something but I’ve heard that she said she didn’t want to show it
@@xHKxxanother reason not to trust her because if she had nothing to hide then why wouldn't she show the screen recordings
@@novreetosdoritos exactly and I’m not trying to make fun of her or anything but I’m her stream it looks like she’s trying super hard to cry and it looks so much like a fake cry, but that might just be how she cries idk
@@xHKxx I was scared to mention it because I don't want to be attacked but her crying looked so fake and it was like she was prepared to cry like that constantly but you can be right and that could be how she cries
HE RESPONDED AGAIN WITH A TWEET SAYING SORRY HES GONNA RESPOND AGAIN SOON
just posted a video for u ;)
@@chleepy haha thanks watched it
Wow to accusations in a short period of time between two people with a similar fan base. This bout to be dream all over again.💀
Its definetely organised in some capacity. Im sorry to say it, but its too suspicious that two ccs from the same group are being accused of the same thing in the same period of time. Yes you can speak up about SA on the back of someone else doing so but it wouldnt be brought around so quickly if so. Thered be time in between.
Someone has a vendetta against the dream smp, and wants them all out of the spotlight as MCYTs top creators. Idk who it could be but i have suspicions
@@BraydenR06 agreed 100%
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still waiting for wilburs response. I like your take on things
good video but YO HEAD SHAPE IS IMMACULATE
OMG NO WAY 36 MINUTES LOVE YOU DUDE
Wait but like , seriously , i'm not really into that drama but on my tl i keep seeing ppl talking about "their SA/R*PE" and like those past 2 weeks A LOT of people have been doing this. Maybe Shelby inspired them but like uhm are we sure that SOME OF THEM aren't faking things..?
It's just weird in my opinion , i don't understand anything w what's going on.
for the love of god, will people STOP CALLING HIM A RAPIST???? BOTH OF THEM CONFIRMED THAT THEY DIDNT SLEEP TOGETHER!!! USING IT SO CASUALLY TAKES THE POWER AWAY FROM THE WORD
Everyone gives proof him ignores. All of it guests, there's no proof.
Support the victims, it's not easy for anyone
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Maybe because evidence is extremely difficult in a scenario that rarely has evidence. No one walks around with a camera filming every thing they say and do. That’s why it’s such a difficult thing and discussing ur story always results in a plethora of backlash on both sides.
Legally speaking, what usually happens when there isn't and can't be be concrete physical evidence like a DNA test, rape kit, ect that proves *certainly* that something of that nature happened, there are other forms of, still, *evidence* that are looked at, like statements that are collected from a non bias point of view, of people that were just there or nearby. If that's not enough to say a verdict the whole context is looked at, the accused character in general(if he had such accusations before), what kind of environmental it was, ect.
I'm just saying this because i saw a few other stories like this go viral, a girl got drunk at a party, met a guy that was also drinking and they had intercourse. The way people reacted was vary varied, the girl did go to court with that story and in the end after a long process that was milked for views just got poor popularity for drinking, promiscuity and partying at a young age.
I'm not saying that Caitys feelings aren't valid and that what happened wasn't bad or traumatic for her, it is fully up to her how to view her story from her perspective. And yet Georges point of view has it's validity as well just with the way their stories match in their general sense. They went to a parties that were supposed to be 21+, got into a hotel room and played drinking games where things got moderately intimate and then went their separate ways, never to meet again. That story can be looked at differently from both sides and that can't be ignored. It is scary to live in a world where your story can be ignored and invalidated but things aren't just black and white in the real world
whats the twitch bud
im streaming on youtube!
I'm seeing a pattern here that I don't particularly like.
It's jumping to things without verifying things. And at least both of them are posting proof. The other 2 not so much.
@@elenatheartistandgamer2001I saw this 5 times I'm getting sick( literally sick ) people need to chill and ask for proofm
bro
George not found guilty
..yet
No evidence he literally admits to all of it.
He show screenshots & evidence & she didn’t, stop trying to make her as the victim because she not
@@zuikerou3525 Yeah, it's called disassociation. She didn't stop him cause she was scared. Silence is not consent.
@@jackirish9022 it’s like you didn’t watch George video, he show screenshots of evidence & receipts in his 25 minute video & she didn’t in her 30 minute video “ slience is not consent “ you’re acting like he abuse or assault her with no proof that he did, “she didn’t stop him because she scare” okay how do you know that ? Were you there ?
@@zuikerou3525 I did and it was terrible. He gave no good excuses. Silence is not consent support with victims? But you seem to only want victims to be punished.
@@jackirish9022 you seem like false allegations, he did show evidence, you did watch it but you call it awful but when the accuser made a 30 minute video with no evidence you just believe her, “slience is not consent” once again you’re acting like he abuse her or assault her with no proof “but it seem you want the victim to be punished” oh you mean George the one who’s is the victim getting falsely accused of being punished? You’re so messed up, I can’t believe people like you trust a false allegation