the f-4 AUP can be a briliand premium for the italian techtree , and maybe a hellenic sub techtree would be a graet idea , with modernized mirage's a-7's f-104's f-1 mirages , lots of vipers and ofc now the rafale
@@lbuunjj The M1A2T got passed for consideration for China, China has no connection to the M1 other than claiming sovereignty over Taiwan - Germany assisting with the upgrade means nothing to its placement at the grand scheme of things.
I would love to see more of the Indian aircraft added to the British Tech Tree. Rafale, Mirage 2000, Mig-29, SU-30, aswell as the HAL Tejas which a domestically made aircraft.
The Su-9 was only armed with 4 beam riding missiles so it would be one of the worst things that could be added to the game But the aircraft that was based on the Su-9, the Su-11, wouldnt be that bad since it would get 2 R-8s that could be either sarh or infared homing
Irl the MiG-23 can sustain around 11 degrees per second with the wings out while the tornado gr1 could do about 14. In game the MiG stomps the Tornado lol
Would rather have an F-4 Terminator 2020 for Italy than an F-4 AUP, just because we just had the F-104S TAF removed and Turkish players might want something to make up for that. On the other hand the missiles on the 2020 might be too advanced, and in that case an AUP would do fine.
i am worried about that too , i would love to see my spook in the game but having the turkish starfigther removed and adding greek once will not be cool for the turks , that is for sure
@@IronWolfOz you cant just add an independent turkish tech tree , you have to put the countrie's rival too , if turkey gets added , greece should be addaed too
@@IronWolfOz i think i have a good idea , i am thinkiing of something like israel , if you have atleast one top tier then you would be able to grind more nations like turkey and greece
Another modernized third generation aircraft could be the Turkish F-4E Terminator 2020, which has the Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 radar, the Elta EL/L-8222 active ECM pod, etc. Another aircraft that as an Argentine I would like to see would be the A-4AR Fightinghawk, a modernized Skyhawk, with the ARG-1 radar, a variant of the AN/APG-66V2, HOTAS control and glass cockpit, having the capacity to carry up to 4 AIM- 9M, in addition to AGM-65D Mavericks, guided munitions, etc. Although the Argentine Air Force never acquired this weapon, the A-4AR has the capacity to carry it. It is obvious that this A-4 would not be in 13.0 BR, but in a possible 11.0 or 11.3
i know that i am a greek and i would love to see the phantom AUP there but i also know that i need to keep in mind the turks , so i wouold love to see something like , a phantom update or something
@ThePilotPhoenix The best answer to that is to introduce both F-4s, each with its own particularities, the same with other third generation fighters, such as the Mirage 3NG.
@ThePilotPhoenix For me it is more of a response to the need for vehicles to fill certain ranks and also to introduce new nations without going to copy pastes, because perhaps introducing Turkish F-16s or Greek Mirages-2000 that are basically the same as their American and French counterparts. it doesn't make sense
the mig25 really doesn’t have a spot in game. to use its only advantage, speed, it would take up almost an entire air rb map just to turn around, and it carried mediocre missiles.
we don't need fox-3 F-5 variants, it would not have a competitive amount of countermeasures it needs for that BR, it would be like that shit F-16 for Thailand that only has 45 countermeasures.
Flying the new kfir c.10 taught me that I don’t need chaff to notch and evade fox3 but still they need to separate them in the match maker like with whether the COUNTERMEASURE COUNT IS TWO DIGIT OR THEEE DIGITS
The F-4E AUP would basically be a worse F-4F ICE. Im pretty sure it's a fair bit heavier than the ICE or even the standard F-4E, but then again itd still be a pretty good event vehicle. Itd be nice if it had a HMD, though i can't find any info on if it did, so it probably didnt.
unlike the f-4f the AUP is currently capable of carrying jdams , which i am not sure that the ICE can have , also the AUP is way more superior than the ice
@ThePilotPhoenix in the air to ground role, the AUP runs circles around the ice, with the LGBs, mavericks, and JDAMS. However the ICE has an slight but noticeable edge in the Air to Air role because it is significantly lighter than the AUP, giving it better acceleration. If the AUP had a HMD, I'd say it'd be better than the ICE, but sadly it doesn't, atleast according to my research.
This is actualy a wery good idea, but we need air br decompresion, i think maybe 13.0-13.7 should be 3rd gen aircraft with fox3s 14.0-15.0 4th gen planes or something like that
For the sake or for my F-4 obsession we need the last US version of the F-4 that was used into the early 2000s, the Hellenic F-4, and the Turkish F-4 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Mat, why didn't you mentioned the TomCat F14A and B? I used to get kills using the Phoenix missiles, but now it's going against fastest and nore maneuverable jets in top tiers. It's not fun anymore. 😢
Sincerely, thes jets at 13.0 will be too much even if upgraded, just look how the Kfir C10 struggles at this BR due to payload limitations. 12.3 or 12.7, maybe 13.0 getting up tiered all the time against 14.0 even with these missiles is completely nuts.
Everything with a fox 3 needs a o go up with a br decompression. We don’t need most F4s, tornado early and others being cannon fodder… it’s just getting ridiculous.
Matchmaking based on weapons loadout sounds cute, but how you going to balance matches when BR is set AFTER match starts? Voncept only feaseable if we lose the ability to change our weapons mid match
the f-4 AUP can be a briliand premium for the italian techtree , and maybe a hellenic sub techtree would be a graet idea , with modernized mirage's a-7's f-104's f-1 mirages , lots of vipers and ofc now the rafale
F-4E AUP would go to Germany Or USA
@lbuunjj not Germany for sure .Italy is much closer to Greece geographically and historically
@@PhantomDash-dg8ni The F-4E AUP was upgraded with German help
@@lbuunjj The M1A2T got passed for consideration for China, China has no connection to the M1 other than claiming sovereignty over Taiwan - Germany assisting with the upgrade means nothing to its placement at the grand scheme of things.
@lemonscarab21997 i mean why is this a debate there's a greek vehicle in the us a prem Apache
I would love to see more of the Indian aircraft added to the British Tech Tree. Rafale, Mirage 2000, Mig-29, SU-30, aswell as the HAL Tejas which a domestically made aircraft.
Kfir C.10 Block 60 having everything to be a 4.5th gen fighter and ppl call it 3.5 gen
They say that because it’s a 3rd gen airframe with avionics upgrades. That’s the whole point of the vid
Everything except the flight characteristics, hence 3.5
RNZAF A4 Kahu upgrade package would be a nice plane for british tree. A4 skyhawk with aim9-Ls.
EJ KAI WITH AAM3 =D THIS WEEE NEEEEDDDDDDDD
I’ve seen real photos with the blue F4 equipped with blue painted aam3 and blue painted aam4
man i just want more 2nd gen naval jets :(
We need su9 and su15
The Su-9 was only armed with 4 beam riding missiles so it would be one of the worst things that could be added to the game
But the aircraft that was based on the Su-9, the Su-11, wouldnt be that bad since it would get 2 R-8s that could be either sarh or infared homing
@rafaelnicolaides4706well they added the F-117 so the Su-9 wouldn't be that bad
The Mirage F1 MF2000 is by far the most needed one.
A moroccan sub tech tree would be nice
@deltaflapitch3489 Yeah, I've been saying this for months now !
8:46
"F-5F ICE" 💀
It ain't that wild broski, he's just tired (every video)
18 seconds ago is hot
Irl the MiG-23 can sustain around 11 degrees per second with the wings out while the tornado gr1 could do about 14.
In game the MiG stomps the Tornado lol
Would rather have an F-4 Terminator 2020 for Italy than an F-4 AUP, just because we just had the F-104S TAF removed and Turkish players might want something to make up for that. On the other hand the missiles on the 2020 might be too advanced, and in that case an AUP would do fine.
i am worried about that too , i would love to see my spook in the game but having the turkish starfigther removed and adding greek once will not be cool for the turks , that is for sure
@@ThePilotPhoenix I would rather see a independent Turkish tech tree instead
@@IronWolfOz you cant just add an independent turkish tech tree , you have to put the countrie's rival too , if turkey gets added , greece should be addaed too
@@ThePilotPhoenix Well I was also thinking of maybe ROK, with Turkey as a subtree?
@@IronWolfOz i think i have a good idea , i am thinkiing of something like israel , if you have atleast one top tier then you would be able to grind more nations like turkey and greece
adding the HESA Saeqeh under the F5 tech trees would be awesome too! Those Twin vertical stabilizers look awesome
It looks like a Hornet at home lol
Another modernized third generation aircraft could be the Turkish F-4E Terminator 2020, which has the Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 radar, the Elta EL/L-8222 active ECM pod, etc. Another aircraft that as an Argentine I would like to see would be the A-4AR Fightinghawk, a modernized Skyhawk, with the ARG-1 radar, a variant of the AN/APG-66V2, HOTAS control and glass cockpit, having the capacity to carry up to 4 AIM- 9M, in addition to AGM-65D Mavericks, guided munitions, etc. Although the Argentine Air Force never acquired this weapon, the A-4AR has the capacity to carry it. It is obvious that this A-4 would not be in 13.0 BR, but in a possible 11.0 or 11.3
justo venia a comentar eso xd
i know that i am a greek and i would love to see the phantom AUP there but i also know that i need to keep in mind the turks , so i wouold love to see something like , a phantom update or something
@ThePilotPhoenix The best answer to that is to introduce both F-4s, each with its own particularities, the same with other third generation fighters, such as the Mirage 3NG.
@@valentinodestefano6307 i dont find that like an anwser , more like an opinion
@ThePilotPhoenix For me it is more of a response to the need for vehicles to fill certain ranks and also to introduce new nations without going to copy pastes, because perhaps introducing Turkish F-16s or Greek Mirages-2000 that are basically the same as their American and French counterparts. it doesn't make sense
They got the Typhoon but not the Mig-25 and 31. That's a joke....
F/A-18 screaming in the background
F2 waiting for its turn with alcoholism
the mig25 really doesn’t have a spot in game. to use its only advantage, speed, it would take up almost an entire air rb map just to turn around, and it carried mediocre missiles.
@@craigj5384 Poor agility perhaps. You really don't want an R-40 exploding anywhere near you
The Mirage F1 MF2000 would be great too. Radar from the Mirage 2000-5, Micas, Damocles TGP, AASM bombs
I wish there was a second bison at a higher br that carried r77s. Bison rn is my favorite fighter in the game.
we don't need fox-3 F-5 variants, it would not have a competitive amount of countermeasures it needs for that BR, it would be like that shit F-16 for Thailand that only has 45 countermeasures.
Flying the new kfir c.10 taught me that I don’t need chaff to notch and evade fox3 but still they need to separate them in the match maker like with whether the COUNTERMEASURE COUNT IS TWO DIGIT OR THEEE DIGITS
The F-4E AUP would basically be a worse F-4F ICE. Im pretty sure it's a fair bit heavier than the ICE or even the standard F-4E, but then again itd still be a pretty good event vehicle. Itd be nice if it had a HMD, though i can't find any info on if it did, so it probably didnt.
unlike the f-4f the AUP is currently capable of carrying jdams , which i am not sure that the ICE can have , also the AUP is way more superior than the ice
@ThePilotPhoenix in the air to ground role, the AUP runs circles around the ice, with the LGBs, mavericks, and JDAMS. However the ICE has an slight but noticeable edge in the Air to Air role because it is significantly lighter than the AUP, giving it better acceleration. If the AUP had a HMD, I'd say it'd be better than the ICE, but sadly it doesn't, atleast according to my research.
AUP had digitalized cockpit with HUD, it would slap ICE in sim, terrifying tbh
@@m1sz3lpl24well yeah that is true , also better radar and gps guided bombs too , now
@@phantom_ii4594 the AUP has a lot more avaliable weapons and more up to dated
modernized 3rd gen jets are a cool concept but tricky to balance in warthunder so I don't think we should prioritize getting them.
This is actualy a wery good idea, but we need air br decompresion, i think maybe 13.0-13.7 should be 3rd gen aircraft with fox3s 14.0-15.0 4th gen planes or something like that
F-105F/G (or the missing internal fuel tank for the F-105D)
What about the f20 that's already in the US tech tree. I pretty sure it could able to carry 4 aim 120, but I could be wrong.
GREEK PHANTOMS ON TOP ! PHANTOMS PHOR EVER
Doesn't Japan have an F4 Phantom that can use fox 3's? They could add that and get rid of the adtw
For the sake or for my F-4 obsession we need the last US version of the F-4 that was used into the early 2000s, the Hellenic F-4, and the Turkish F-4 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Mat, why didn't you mentioned the TomCat F14A and B? I used to get kills using the Phoenix missiles, but now it's going against fastest and nore maneuverable jets in top tiers. It's not fun anymore. 😢
Prototype Gripen at 12.7
Sincerely, thes jets at 13.0 will be too much even if upgraded, just look how the Kfir C10 struggles at this BR due to payload limitations. 12.3 or 12.7, maybe 13.0 getting up tiered all the time against 14.0 even with these missiles is completely nuts.
I NEED THE J35J!!!!
LWTS GET THE REST OF THE CENTURY SERIES IN THE GAME!!!
There is the Türkistan F4 terminator for the americans maybe
F-104s/asa/m if its not on the list
We need J-8F with 4 PL-12 now 😡
that mig 23 would be trash lmao
Mirage F1 MF 2000
J7G please gaijin
Yes, like f4f ice, these are a type of jets, old platform, new weapon
Yeah lr JA37 DI actually in game too
R77 for su39
Please make another f-2 video
Everything with a fox 3 needs a o go up with a br decompression. We don’t need most F4s, tornado early and others being cannon fodder… it’s just getting ridiculous.
Modernized?
GİVE US TURKİSH PHANTOM
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A-4AR with AIM-9M and F-16 radar?
I think all we need is just BR adjustments according to the weapons you chose. Like if you take fox 3 on 3rd gen you go higher in br
Matchmaking based on weapons loadout sounds cute, but how you going to balance matches when BR is set AFTER match starts? Voncept only feaseable if we lose the ability to change our weapons mid match
@@ronaldthompson4989 What if BR just changed based on the modifications researched.
@@ronaldthompson4989 that's such an easy fix
Not Türkistan Türkiye
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