what's all this negativity? I guess you sounded the same 5 years ago before Tesla and 15/20 years ago when the Prius came out... yes this is not yet for everyone, but times are changing!
Well, the Tesla and other EVs can be charged at home with almost no capital cost, meaning you rarely need to visit any public charging infrastructure unless you drive a lot. Home electrolysis hydrogen filling stations could be a thing, but they are expensive (home BEV charging stations are cheap). And a home filling station would use about three times the energy to drive the same distance as in a BEV. Hydrogen seems to only make sense in larger vehicles like trucks, ships, trains, etc
Siggen Yeah but the problem is charging times, when you drive a tesla you cant go OH CRAP and frantically drift into a gas station and be on your way in 2-5 minutes.
MEELO925 If I really go "oh crap", I can plug in for 5-10 minutes and have enough juice to get anywhere, there are fast chargers everywhere around here (Norway), so long road trips are no big problem, even with the tiny 30 kWh battery of the Leaf. And with bigger batteries like the 100 kWh in Teslas, it really is no problem at all. And the car is usually always charged up and ready to go at home, so there is no need to ever need to use public charging to sustain a daily commute, that will certainly save you some time in the long run
Again, that's a problem you DON'T HAVE since your car charges EVERY NIGHT in your garage. Why would you buy a vehicle that you need to go take time out of your day to make a special trip somewhere and buy expensive fuel? The only time that even starts to become an annoyance is when you're driving more than 500km straight. Even then, it's not a huge issue since: 1. A 15 minute stop at a supercharger can get your Tesla an additional 200km. So 700km range (7hours of driving) with a 15min stop in the middle? How many people is that actually a dealbreaker for? 2. Even in areas that have absolutely NO OFFICIAL EV infrastructure, you can still charge an EV if there is any form of electricity. 3. If companies like Porche are to be believed, their EVs WILL charge in 5 minutes flat. 4. According to green car reports, the #1 issue the very few people who own H2 vehicles have with those vehicles is that they can take HOURS to fill even when you can find a hydrogen station if you're unlucky enough to arrive just after another has filled and depleted the stockpile of hydrogen. The #2 issue is when you pull into the ONLY hydrogen station around and it's BROKEN, which leaves your $50,000 car SOL. 5. You CAN'T make any kind long drive in a hydrogen vehicle since THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE TO REFUEL YOUR CAR AT ALL. You're criticizing EV's for taking too long to do something that cannot even be ATTEMPTED in a hydrogen car. If you're assuming that the infrastructure will be built eventually, think again. A single H2 pump cost over $2M to install. Who is going to build all these stations when BEV's sales are exploding and dedicated high voltage charge points only cost a few hundred dollars to install? Back in the '90s hydrogen cars made sense. Today, the idea of buying a hydrogen car is the equivalent to buying a betamax after it was clear VHS had won the format war. Sure, the technology does work but you're not going to be able to do much with it and for what you can do, it is EXPENSIVE. Hydrogen may have a place in the grid energy storage world, or in big commercial vehicles but unless it can figure out how to handle the conversions between hydrogen and electricity more efficiently, it's going to have it's lunch eaten by flow batteries there too.
cool , for sure! Norway's 'hydrogen highway' one to youtube also. setting hydrocarbons on fire (gas , diesel cars) will be illegal MUCH SOONER than we realize I'm sure. (2030 ish - as we approach 1.5deg hotter , IPCC report
Mirai in California means no go. KABOOM in Santa Clara. www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/northern-california-hydrogen-car-drivers-still-out-of-luck-for-fuel/8538219/
I wish hydrogen fuel cell cars were more readily available throughout the UK. Their are only about 3 hydrogen models available here and most hydrogen fuel filling stations are in the south east of England. I would like to see some of these car manufacturers offer a service to convert a petrol or diesel engined car to a hydrogen fuel celled car. That might be more cost effective compared to manufacturing an entire new car. This would help drive the demand for hydrogen which would then eventually drive demand for brand new cars to be hydrogen fuel celled cars. Hydrogen fuel would have to be made more readily available throughout the UK as the demand increases. I for one would love to own a hydrogen fuel celled car and I would be happy to recommend anybody to have one.
@@tyborg314 if a nitrogen engine makes nitrous, couldn't that be re routed to burn in the engine again to make more power? What do you get burning nitrous?
Just a mention i have here. A lot of people in the comments saying that it's very difficult to find hydrogen stations, it's expensive as fuel, the car with hydrogen motors are expensive 50.000 dollars the specific car of the review and that it's easier to charge an ev in your house. OK all good here. When it came out the first tesla remember someone of you guys? 2008 so we have the first production of ev before 11 years. In greece let's say for example they have 3 or 5 stations for charging your tesla. In Germany we have some more but still not easy to charge because they are not everywhere chargers and also all the people they don't have garage to charge the ev in their house. How many electric charging stations was back in 2008? Last mention the car of the review costs 50.000 dollars and i'm pretty sure it's not the basic model, how does it cost a tesla? 85.000 dollars the cheapest version and it can come to 135. So my conclusion is don't blame the new technologiy. The best for as is to have more options and if it's better for the environment or cheaper why not? Why all of you are so negative in something new i cant understand.
@Mr Penguin idk, math here seems iffy. paying off a car in a few years through uber sounds like "break even on this purchase by driving people around everyday" with a hidden: "buy a newer, fancier car after a few years then break even on that"
for every one saying dead tech, oh they wont make fueking stations, i live on the east coast and i work a town over from a football stadium the supermarket / gas station combo is actually getting a fueling station its in the building phase now should be down in 2 months
It's quite naive to say that just because hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe that it's obvious we should use it as a fuel source. It's only abundant on Earth in the form of water. And you need to split the hydrogen from the water in order to use it in fuel cells. And that's the main problem. There are many problems with hydrogen, but the main problem is that it's terribly inefficient to split hydrogen from water to then use to power vehicles. Normal battery-powered vehicles are much more efficient and viable.
There is actually algae now that produces hydrogen, which means we essentially have an infinite power source. Sunlight and water repeat. It could be amazing one day oh, if only people accept it
@Mr Penguin you can extract all of that, and many of our systems even with nuclear plants have many safety's. Nuclear plants have dozens of backup fail-safes, I don't see why an algae plant couldn't do the same. But it is definitely a great idea to look at
Just looked it up, 3 years later there are only fueling stations in California so this is a good car for people who aren't planning on travelling ever. Absolutely no reason to own this car.
Ten years ago there was someone just like you saying the same exact things about electric cars. Oh there's only 20 charging stations, blah, blah, blah... of course there is a lag between new tech and infrastructure, but it always catches up.
I wish he would have said something about what the ride was like. Whether there was a lot of road noise and comfort level. Instead he focused more on his opinion and precognition about the success of the technology. I just want a comfortable quiet electric ride I don't have plan my whole day around in order to fill. If they get more stations I will buy one. I'm not even concerned about the environment I just like a silent engine.
If you have a place to plug an EV at night you will have a "full" tank" every morning. The only case you need to plan more carefully is when you go on a long distance trip. In that case EVs are able to such a trip, unlike Fuel cells as there is no cross country hydrogen refueling stations.
I believe there is a small bank of batteries. Generally, this helps to balance out the irregular loads of city driving so the fuel cell can operate at a more constant and efficient power output. Also allows for braking regen as you stated.
5 kg of hydrogen gives 500 kms, refuelling just 3 minutes - 85 KWh lithium ion battery weight 540 kgs, 4 hours charging time. Hydrogen can be created at home using electrolysis - Google ACTA hydrogen battery. Just add more hydrogen tanks & you can travel 1000's of kms. With hydrogen no self discharge, cell balancing, overcharging, over discharge & other maintenance issues.
Struja je za neke druge stvar,a auti nisu samo prijevozno sredstvo nego i ljubimci koji vesele ljude svojim posebnim zvukovima sabijanjem goriva. Mislim da je vodik super stvar,dapace ako jos nesto postoji slicno vodiku da ne zagađuje neka se koristi. SAMO NE ZELIM DA MOTORI SA UNUTARNJIM SAGARANJEM NE ODU U PROŠLOST!
Nažalost hoće. Volim ih,ali ne mogu da nastave da postoje. Većina EU država je zabranila korišćenje automobila sa unutrašnjim sagorijevanjem nakon 2030.
This isn’t just an environment saver, hydrogen when compared to the same volume of gas provides a much higher amount of power. That means you only need a fraction of hydrogen compared to gasoline to combust an engine. Not to mention hydrogen can easily be pulled out of water.
after watching a documentary of how EV car batteries are made, seems to me that toyota made the best choice (one more time) on how to move forward of fossil fuels.In a decade or maybe earlier, the cost to build a battery car due to lack of lithium, cobalt and nickel required for its batteries will be extremely high, but investing in an actually endless fuel as hydrogen( which by the way is not wasted during the operation but simply turned into water) is the only way to move along, dont forget that instead of private cars sector, there so many other sectors that this technology can be used, even ships can generate their own fuel while at sea by pumping and electrolysing hydrogen, well done toyota!!!!!!
It’s a good idea to have fuel cell as well as battery driven vehicles. That way if the elements to battery electric vehicles become to sparse we also have fuel cell.
@@sharl_leg Car companies don't want to change the paradigm. Cars are a funding source for companies that make them. Service department is the biggest source of funding. The cars of the past were made to break and supply a source of revenue. Parts, labor and consumables. Electric cars have no oil changes, smog tests tuneups. etc...No wonder only Tesla is thriving in the EV arena.
If you thought about it for a second, there are more sources of Hydrogen then the ones you pointed out. You just need a device to pump it into the vehicle (this device if installed in the vehicle rather than the refilling station would allow you to recharge from any low pressure storage bottle. Alternatively, a standalone unit could be carried in times where re-filling from a low pressure bottle is expected. Lastly: Massive advancements are being made in the Hydrogen production process that will greatly improve the energy efficiency of the process making it a much more cost effective and highly feasible to do on a house hold level. The house could be run on hydrogen from a unit consisting of a Hydrogen generator(s), reservoir and a storage tank for vehicular use. U nearly convinced me your advocation of EV’s is actually a review of a Hydrogen Fuel Cell car. Nearly.... Why are you reviewing the infrastructure? Of course its not at EV level, thats because the UN council want to move away from dependance on foreign oil but still want centralised control of the energy source and EV is the logical choice... If you were being fair you would compare the implications of running out of energy in an inconvenient location in both vehicles. Conceptually, u can refill your Hydrogen car from a portable tank and pump in the space of minutes, not so in EV car.... U would compare the implications of long haul trips in both cars. Hydrogen car is the same as a conventional car, EV takes a liiittle longer (fast charge options are available but these are not good for battery longevity whatsoever) U would compare the ability to produce its energy source from home. EV car requires means of charging a storage battery of equivalent Amp hours, (big.... And thats 1 spare charge per battery equivalence) Hydrogen car requires means of powering a device that produces Hydrogen and a means of storing it safely and a means of re-filling your car. ADDITIONALLY, a spare tank and pump (or interchangeable tank incorporated into car design) could be carried for longer trips, doubling or tripling your range. AND you (every EV advocator) neglects to mention the materials required to manufacture these batteries and the need to dispose of them correctly at end of its lifespan. (Many forms of lithium Ion batteries but the most energy dense material used along side the Lithium is also the most toxic, so it is often used as a means to save costs) And what is powering the recharge stations? Fossil fuel will still be required to a degree but will not be require the complex transport network to refill the fuel stations. At the end of the day though. Only focusing on costs is extremely shortsighted.
I really hope there aren’t any big crashes involving one of these. If that hydrogen catches on fire, everything’s going to explode just like the Hindenburg. If you get one of these, you’re basically driving a bomb.
But what about the longevity of the rechargeable batteries? Don't they die after about 500-600 charging cycles? Will they last 2 years of daily use? Are the batteries not very expensive to replace? How long does it take to charge the batteries? As for station costs, say a $1 million hydrogen station can fully fuel in 5 min per car, so 60 / 5 = 12 cars per hour. If it takes say, 3 hours/car for a battery fully charge and to effectively serve 12 cars per hour, you would need 36 chargers so cost is 36 * 15,000. = 540,,000. Add to that, real estate costs, waiting room facilities, and value of your time. Seems cost of an electric station are comparable if not more. Seems to me unless the battery longevity and charging time issues are resolved, fuel cells have an advantage.
Blazing Dumpster first off your logical is flawed. It takes about 45 minutes at a Tesla supercharger to get more range the this crappy hydrogen car does. Also people have driven EVs 100,000+ miles and only lost 4-5 miles or range, the way batteries degrade is a lot at first and then they level at and take a long time to degrade. Also what do we know about hydrogen, after till will it wear away something in the car because of how cold it is. What happens if a part gets very brittle from the cold and the 10,000 PSI shoots back at you.
Fuel cells degrade quickly and require replacement in 3-5 years at a comparable cost to replacing an EV battery pack. So to do their storage tanks. Hence why most lease terms offered are 3 years... Also, you're way off on your pack degradation rates. Tesla packs are now observed in the real world to last minimum 3000 charge cycles until only 80% capacity remains. This equates to about 15 years of driving for the average person. Could easily have to rebuild a gas engine twice before replacing your battery pack.
@@Bryan46162 yes,but batteries kill the environment,so no. EVs are not the future by a long shot unless we make a new element that is so widespread that we can't run out of it. Which won't happen
Please put some shining BBS wheels on that car ! Hyrogen = Mirai ! Battery cars are often toxic waste on 4 wheels ! - I don´t like them. Direct burning of hydrogen (old German prototypes) is much more fun and does not need toxic batterys !
I don't see much of a future in commuter vehicles for hydrogen, it's well to wheel efficiency is pretty bad compared to battery electric vehicles. It was a clever idea for a stopgap to lacking battery technology, but now batteries are catching up and going down in price, so it just doesn't make a lot of sense to take electricity to produce hydrogen for the hydrogen to be used to produce electricity, why not just run the car on stored electricity and cut out the middle man? But with that said, there is some impressive potential for industrial vehicles. I think Tesla's truck will be a bit of a market flop (way too heavy), so hydrogen seems like it would be a good alternative for semi trucks and large industrial machinery.
Great technology. Hopefully will be the future (easier to refuel and better for the environment than battery). BUT why make it so ugly? With this technology there's no restriction on the shape.
If more stars from the country states would advocate for these type of cars it would help and these vehicles need to have unique features like what Telsa have done to interest the public. So far from what I've seen Hydrogen cars should stick to SUV/Crossovers until they find away those tanks don't take too much space from the cargo space and backseat.
Same was said for plug in electric vehicles. Ugly, too expensive, no infrastructure. Now we have EV cars selling all over the place and plug in spots across the country. For hydrogen we're over halfway there as gas stations have water and electricity. All is needed is the one-site machine to pull hydrogen from the water.
Plug-ins won't be taking over in the future unless the government mandates the amount of vehicles per household. In my home we have 5 cars running on gas and we can't handle a mild SoCal summer without having to deal with blackouts. Imagine having to plug in 1-5 cars for hours while trying to get your AC to work? Now take 2.5 of those cars and multiply it by one block and tell me if you think our infrastructure is anywhere close to being able handle that much usage. I like electric and I like the idea of hydrogen but until we can get the utility companies and the government to stop being so inefficient and corrupt (good luck) it will fail. Also forget automated cars because the city workers can't even figure out how to remove an old white line and paint a new white line correctly.
Adding solar powered hydrogen generator or electric charging stations to homes plus hydrogen and charging stations is the way forward for fueling our vehicles. We should add hydrogen fueling stations to the EV super charging stations nationally.
In the early 1960's California state fair. A Cadillac was on display; it was a fuel cell car! Thats is 55 years ago or more. Just the facts. OVER 1/2 A CENTURY AND STILL WAITING.
It's impossible to cheat physics, hydrogen is the tiniest molecule in the universe, I doubt that material(s) for tanks that will not leak will be ever invented.
It might have been a hydrogen powered car, but probably no fuel cell car. Maybe ICE, maybe gas turbine,... Miniaturization of fuel cells to fit into a car happened in the 1990ies.
The real future of hydrogen infrastructure is in on-site generation. Essentially all the costs would be initial. Once the wind turbine/solar panel array/Modular Nuclear reactor, and electrolysis machine with the cathode isolated from the anode by an ion-permeable membrane using iron-nickle oxide electron perforated electrodes and turbo-molecular pump and pressure vessels are installed All you really need to bring in is water. (Bonus: pure oxygen if anyone wants it)
@4:30 He says EVs are 'the wave of the future' ...well then hydro it is because battery powered cars are garbage-total pain in the ass having to recharge all the time because it refuels so slowly, no one wants to drive around looking for a gd damned rechargeable parking spot, having to plug in everytime you come home.. nobody wants them.. so battery powered cars are going no-where - that means that the entire electric vehicle industry is hydrogen.. which isn't so bad, some people are worried about the high pressure tanks but in many countries they have been refueling useing gas for decades with NGVs .. no explosions.
No, it's hydrogen. Which could be produced by electrolyzis of water with a lot of electricity. But today, it's mainly produced by steam reformation of natural gas. Water isn't the fuel, but the exhaust.
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe but we live on earth. It is the 10th most abundant element in the earths crust. So it took 15 seconds for Autobytel to mislead.
Seems like this car was dead on arrival... All posted review videos are suspiciously slanted to discount its existence all together. EV cars suffered this for decades before the public would finally bite ( or before journalists would even review them without first refusing them before technology caught up ) . This seems like such a great, viable alternative and I hope that toyota developers continue to push this car further into the future. The future of cars shouldn't rely solely on one form of "fuel", rather there should be several alternative clean sources until we can finally get ourselves off oil completely.
I am not native and have no idea what proposition means. They pollute far less than EVs (when built) and the fuel is very cheap (not now,but it will be)
No thanks. Notice he doesn't mention cost per km in fuel. Trading expensive gas for expensive hydrogen doesn't make sense. Electric cars (depending on what you're paying per kw hour), cost +- $0.01 per km to drive. NOTHING beats electric. Period.
But they do kill the environment with batteries and during the production! Think about how you are still killing the Earth,just a bit slower when going to work. H2 is expensive now because of the lack of infrastructure,it will change
Is the fuel cell something like HHO generator? If so, the fuel from the station is water enough. Isnt it? Shouldn't hydrogen anymore. Cause the fuel cell will generate hydrogen. Why need hydrogen station? Why? Plenty water at home or anywhere.
Miguel Angel Medina Rise Well you don't have to pay for gas or it's influx of prices, so that's pretty cool. Plus, it's kind of like paying more for organic/vegan groceries, instead of the regular ones; it means well, but it'll cost more to produce. This technology is still new, so I don't think it would hold well in the marketplace, unless it becomes more accessible or gas prices sky rocket. But if Mirai is the future, I'll be looking forward to their latest models when the time comes.
Elijah Pedroza But if this doesn't kick off you will essentially have an unsellable vehicle. And God I wish Toyota Gabe this thing a better styling to give it more of a chance. Honda Clarity looks beautiful. This Toyota looks like a disgrace.
It’s 2019. And there is still no fueling stations within 50 miles of my home. I live in a heavily populated county in California. I was wondering why you can pick these up for 12,000 dollars for. 2014 or 2016. The thing that’s really stupid, even Toyota dealers don’t have them. Great selling tool?!?!?
Maybe this should tell you something. With a Tesla you can charge anywhere there is a plug. Not so with Fool Cells. I Bought my 2016 30kw Nissan Leaf for 13,550. Meets all my needs.
@@LawrenceRhodes ah,yes. Let's compare new tech against something that was mainstream in 2008. Look, it's all down to personal preference. It is a fact that batteries and electric cars in general pollute when made. Batteries do last longer than fuel cells,but fuel cells are a new thing. We have to wait and see in the future,but batteries won't be as good as fuel cells as they are heavy and can't hold as much energy (and the charging time is atrocious) as fuel cells. The fact that the "almighty Elon" said that his business's main competitor is stupid just shows how good of a business man he is. If Teslas ran on hydrogen,he would say that batteries are stupid. That is how a good business man works, someone will become competitive and can reduce my profits,bash on his tech and say it is stupid,and every person that is an Elon fanboy will listen,thus reducing the cars bought,thus killing the Earth as you need to drive 80 000 km on 100% clean energy JUST to become pollution neutral. Hydrogen cars are automatically neutral as they can turn CH4 into C02 (CH4 is 21x worse when it comes to greenhouse gases) so it actually cleans the earth from CH4. If using electrolysis it is as clean as the electricity (if it's green,the car is green. The same works with BEVs). Jet engines destroy the O3 layer,good luck getting electric planes with batteries,as batteries pollute when made and are heavy. H2 planes can easily be made. Time will tell who will win,but for the planet's sake,hope for H2.
@@sharl_leg If it was viable it would catch on. It is not so it won't. You can't drive out of California. A failed experiment. More expensive and less efficient. Also the KABOOM factor.
He’s not negative about it. He is very realistic. We just need to accept that as great as hydrogen cars are, we don’t have the infrastructure for it yet. I think we should stick to electric cars for now. This is too out of our reach atm
"Guess what the most abundant element in the universe is?" "Dunno..." "Hydrogen !!!!... it makes up 3/4 of the entire mass of the universe" "That sounds great... must be really cheap to fuel a car with such an abundant free fuel" "yeah, I know right..." "So, how much mollecular hydrogen is there in our atmosphere?" There is a tiny, tiny amount of molecular hydrogen H2 in the atmosphere, about 0.5 parts per million. It could be extracted, but it would be ludicrously expensive" "oh, okay i'll buy a tesla"
Dumb people. Makes water which makes more hydrogen which makes more water which makes more hydrogen and so on. Only a bit of electricity required AND it doesn't pollute as much as EVs when being made
@@sharl_leg "Only a bit of electricity" is a giant understatement. It's roughly 50 kWh to produce 1 kg of hydrogen by electrolyzis of water. And also some kWh to compress it to 700 bar. And a lot of additional kWh to liquify 1 kg of hydrogen for transport. 1 kg of hydrogen will give you a range of ~100 km (60 miles).
I see the future as a mix of hydrogen & battery power. Hydrogen for long journeys & battery powered cars for city cars or short distance commuters. Frankly, Id rather have a hydrogen powered car. The infrastructure is not an issue....the issue is that oil companies refuse to invest in it! I actually think the Mirai is pretty good looking! I dont like the shape of the back window & its profile but I understand it was designed like that to decrease drag. I think its much better looking than the stupid Prius. Also do you people realize just how much pollution is created by creating a lithium ion battery? Not only does it use A LOT of energy to manufacture those batteries, to obtain the lithium needed for the batteries, they have to mine A LOT of dry sea beds & create A LOT of toxic by products in the manufacturing process of the lithium foam.
@@sharl_leg If there was more demand the price will rise. You are simply in love with hydrogen and won't listen to logic...or Elon Musk who said"Hydrogen is silly".
I think fuel cells are the future. Yes, there aren't a lot of fueling stations. There weren't a lot of electric stations a few years ago either. Electric cars (in my opinion, if you wanna call it an opinion) are just as bad if not worse for the environment then efficient gas cars because you still have to make the electricity and then you have the batteries to dispose of after 5-10 years. There's no fossil fuels being burning with hydrogen vehicles. Give it 10-15 years. That's not that long in the grand scheme of things
H2 cars are BEV's. They just come with an expensive and complicated range extender that uses an exotic fuel. However, that range extender cannot change it's output for several seconds thus the need for batteries. Without them you would put you foot down in a hydrogen vehicle and the car would not even start to respond for about 10 seconds.
Wow it sounds like the 2018 version bumped the mileage significantly boasting 300+ range. I also hear it's under 60k. He also makes no mention about road noise or how quiet the cabin is D: I do like that you're an inch taller than me so I finally have some real world comparrisons to work with. ohh! Just today, we (Hawaii) just opened our first (open to public) hydrogen station! They say Mirai's will be available by the end of the month... for lease (DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNNNN). We still get the free fillups but I guess the dealer (yes... dealer... as in one... because servco has a monopoly over this place... damn squids) get's the tax credits D:
I live in Southern Oregon and drive a 100% electric Nissan Leaf. I purchased it used for $7,000. Plugging in at home is super convenient. Why try to reinvent the wheel? Tesla and Chevrolet are now selling 200+ mile range electric vehicles to the masses for less than $40,000 dollars. Where is Toyata and their commitment to the Rav 4 EV?
I mean, as long as there are no fuel ⛽ stations it is not even as convenient as a straight up electric car 🚗. I am pretty sure that many rich businessmen will join their hands to make sure that hydrogen powered cars don't get that popular. Supercharging stations have a huge business possibility. Mini malls, restaurants, etc. Let's see what is going to happen.
The future actually looks good for petrol heads. When the majority switches to hydrogen cars for normal commute, it will lead to cheaper and more abundant gasoline being available to the combustion-engine-car enthusiasts. Running a gas guzzling V8 will be cheap and guilt-free. Thank you Toyota.
what's all this negativity? I guess you sounded the same 5 years ago before Tesla and 15/20 years ago when the Prius came out... yes this is not yet for everyone, but times are changing!
he is useless jerk... born negative
Well, the Tesla and other EVs can be charged at home with almost no capital cost, meaning you rarely need to visit any public charging infrastructure unless you drive a lot. Home electrolysis hydrogen filling stations could be a thing, but they are expensive (home BEV charging stations are cheap). And a home filling station would use about three times the energy to drive the same distance as in a BEV. Hydrogen seems to only make sense in larger vehicles like trucks, ships, trains, etc
Siggen Yeah but the problem is charging times, when you drive a tesla you cant go OH CRAP and frantically drift into a gas station and be on your way in 2-5 minutes.
MEELO925 If I really go "oh crap", I can plug in for 5-10 minutes and have enough juice to get anywhere, there are fast chargers everywhere around here (Norway), so long road trips are no big problem, even with the tiny 30 kWh battery of the Leaf. And with bigger batteries like the 100 kWh in Teslas, it really is no problem at all. And the car is usually always charged up and ready to go at home, so there is no need to ever need to use public charging to sustain a daily commute, that will certainly save you some time in the long run
Again, that's a problem you DON'T HAVE since your car charges EVERY NIGHT in your garage. Why would you buy a vehicle that you need to go take time out of your day to make a special trip somewhere and buy expensive fuel? The only time that even starts to become an annoyance is when you're driving more than 500km straight. Even then, it's not a huge issue since:
1. A 15 minute stop at a supercharger can get your Tesla an additional 200km. So 700km range (7hours of driving) with a 15min stop in the middle? How many people is that actually a dealbreaker for?
2. Even in areas that have absolutely NO OFFICIAL EV infrastructure, you can still charge an EV if there is any form of electricity.
3. If companies like Porche are to be believed, their EVs WILL charge in 5 minutes flat.
4. According to green car reports, the #1 issue the very few people who own H2 vehicles have with those vehicles is that they can take HOURS to fill even when you can find a hydrogen station if you're unlucky enough to arrive just after another has filled and depleted the stockpile of hydrogen. The #2 issue is when you pull into the ONLY hydrogen station around and it's BROKEN, which leaves your $50,000 car SOL.
5. You CAN'T make any kind long drive in a hydrogen vehicle since THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE TO REFUEL YOUR CAR AT ALL. You're criticizing EV's for taking too long to do something that cannot even be ATTEMPTED in a hydrogen car. If you're assuming that the infrastructure will be built eventually, think again. A single H2 pump cost over $2M to install. Who is going to build all these stations when BEV's sales are exploding and dedicated high voltage charge points only cost a few hundred dollars to install?
Back in the '90s hydrogen cars made sense. Today, the idea of buying a hydrogen car is the equivalent to buying a betamax after it was clear VHS had won the format war. Sure, the technology does work but you're not going to be able to do much with it and for what you can do, it is EXPENSIVE.
Hydrogen may have a place in the grid energy storage world, or in big commercial vehicles but unless it can figure out how to handle the conversions between hydrogen and electricity more efficiently, it's going to have it's lunch eaten by flow batteries there too.
Environment saver. My thump is up for the Mirai
Mirai in japanese is future..
Labeled An Otaku always helps.
Mirai Nikki!
Well then our future is doomed with hydrogen economy.
cool , for sure! Norway's 'hydrogen highway' one to youtube also. setting hydrocarbons on fire (gas , diesel cars) will be illegal MUCH SOONER than we realize I'm sure. (2030 ish - as we approach 1.5deg hotter , IPCC report
Mirai in California means no go. KABOOM in Santa Clara. www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/northern-california-hydrogen-car-drivers-still-out-of-luck-for-fuel/8538219/
Interesting watching this video and seeing how truly archaic the presenters views are.
Part of the attraction of an E.V. is less mechanical parts that require maintenance.
I wish hydrogen fuel cell cars were more readily available throughout the UK. Their are only about 3 hydrogen models available here and most hydrogen fuel filling stations are in the south east of England.
I would like to see some of these car manufacturers offer a service to convert a petrol or diesel engined car to a hydrogen fuel celled car. That might be more cost effective compared to manufacturing an entire new car. This would help drive the demand for hydrogen which would then eventually drive demand for brand new cars to be hydrogen fuel celled cars.
Hydrogen fuel would have to be made more readily available throughout the UK as the demand increases.
I for one would love to own a hydrogen fuel celled car and I would be happy to recommend anybody to have one.
Petrolheads don't worry, wait for hydrogen combustion engines those are gonna make all the noise you want ^^
Lucky Luke nice
@Nob the Knave over 1000 commercial trucks in the states on the road, only reason not more, is because of not enough stations and infrastructure
The fuel tank is low Bc of the process is highly reactive
hydrogen combustion is actually half as efficient as hydrogen fuel cells, and they release nitrous oxide which is just as bad as co2
@@tyborg314 if a nitrogen engine makes nitrous, couldn't that be re routed to burn in the engine again to make more power? What do you get burning nitrous?
Just review the car, noone asked your great opinion on Hydrogen Fuel Cells.
No one ask you to watch this video instead
@Love animals No one asked for your apinion
@@Dontfrmda1 neither yours
What kind of review are you looking for without the reviewer's opinion? Is this your first time watching a review?
5:00 "For EVs and electric vehicles..." And there's so much more wrong about this video.
Buy this if you have filling stations in your city.
Just a mention i have here. A lot of people in the comments saying that it's very difficult to find hydrogen stations, it's expensive as fuel, the car with hydrogen motors are expensive 50.000 dollars the specific car of the review and that it's easier to charge an ev in your house. OK all good here. When it came out the first tesla remember someone of you guys? 2008 so we have the first production of ev before 11 years. In greece let's say for example they have 3 or 5 stations for charging your tesla. In Germany we have some more but still not easy to charge because they are not everywhere chargers and also all the people they don't have garage to charge the ev in their house. How many electric charging stations was back in 2008? Last mention the car of the review costs 50.000 dollars and i'm pretty sure it's not the basic model, how does it cost a tesla? 85.000 dollars the cheapest version and it can come to 135. So my conclusion is don't blame the new technologiy. The best for as is to have more options and if it's better for the environment or cheaper why not? Why all of you are so negative in something new i cant understand.
I live like 5 mins away from a fueling station. Getting one of these babies and drive for uber lol
chardmb dude. 60k? Better stick with prius.
If you lease it, you can get free fuel during the lease. Also, since it's $60k it may qualify for uber black
@Mr Penguin how likely is 10 a day for black though?
@Mr Penguin idk, math here seems iffy. paying off a car in a few years through uber sounds like "break even on this purchase by driving people around everyday" with a hidden: "buy a newer, fancier car after a few years then break even on that"
@@StayBassd okay. 3 people for that amount of money. Boom 3 years
Better than electric
But muh inefficiency.
for every one saying dead tech, oh they wont make fueking stations, i live on the east coast and i work a town over from a football stadium the supermarket / gas station combo is actually getting a fueling station its in the building phase now should be down in 2 months
The cost of refueling your hydrogen car is much higher than gasoline and many times higher than electricity.
It's quite naive to say that just because hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe that it's obvious we should use it as a fuel source. It's only abundant on Earth in the form of water. And you need to split the hydrogen from the water in order to use it in fuel cells. And that's the main problem. There are many problems with hydrogen, but the main problem is that it's terribly inefficient to split hydrogen from water to then use to power vehicles. Normal battery-powered vehicles are much more efficient and viable.
There is actually algae now that produces hydrogen, which means we essentially have an infinite power source. Sunlight and water repeat. It could be amazing one day oh, if only people accept it
@Mr Penguin you can extract all of that, and many of our systems even with nuclear plants have many safety's. Nuclear plants have dozens of backup fail-safes, I don't see why an algae plant couldn't do the same. But it is definitely a great idea to look at
@Mr Penguin yeah. Very true.
This is the first of I've heard of this 3 years later. Where the hell would you even refuel these?
Just looked it up, 3 years later there are only fueling stations in California so this is a good car for people who aren't planning on travelling ever. Absolutely no reason to own this car.
Ten years ago there was someone just like you saying the same exact things about electric cars. Oh there's only 20 charging stations, blah, blah, blah... of course there is a lag between new tech and infrastructure, but it always catches up.
And this is FAR better than an EV (the technology)
I closed the Tab once you said 60k! Done
I wish he would have said something about what the ride was like. Whether there was a lot of road noise and comfort level. Instead he focused more on his opinion and precognition about the success of the technology. I just want a comfortable quiet electric ride I don't have plan my whole day around in order to fill. If they get more stations I will buy one. I'm not even concerned about the environment I just like a silent engine.
If you have a place to plug an EV at night you will have a "full" tank" every morning. The only case you need to plan more carefully is when you go on a long distance trip. In that case EVs are able to such a trip, unlike Fuel cells as there is no cross country hydrogen refueling stations.
@@shnazshin now there aren't. People forget it was the same with EVs!
This technology may very well be the future of transport.
One question, if it runs on hydrogen fuel, why does it have regen braking? Supercapacitors?
I believe there is a small bank of batteries. Generally, this helps to balance out the irregular loads of city driving so the fuel cell can operate at a more constant and efficient power output. Also allows for braking regen as you stated.
A small battery, like in other hybrid cars.
h2 ---> fuel cell --> batteries -- > < -- motor /// anything that charges the batteries is welcomed
New things must start somewhere! Thumbs up to pioneers and risk takers, THUMBS DOWN to people like you who discourage needed pioneering
5 kg of hydrogen gives 500 kms, refuelling just 3 minutes - 85 KWh lithium ion battery weight 540 kgs, 4 hours charging time. Hydrogen can be created at home using electrolysis - Google ACTA hydrogen battery. Just add more hydrogen tanks & you can travel 1000's of kms. With hydrogen no self discharge, cell balancing, overcharging, over discharge & other maintenance issues.
Since hydrogen is a small molecule you do have hydrogen loss over time with a hydrogen fuel tank.
I mean 2 backseats that can fit 2 mid sized 6 footers ... that's not bad
Here we are in 2021. Does Toyota keep building this vehicle?
Struja je za neke druge stvar,a auti nisu samo prijevozno sredstvo nego i ljubimci koji vesele ljude svojim posebnim zvukovima sabijanjem goriva.
Mislim da je vodik super stvar,dapace ako jos nesto postoji slicno vodiku da ne zagađuje neka se koristi.
SAMO NE ZELIM DA MOTORI SA UNUTARNJIM SAGARANJEM NE ODU U PROŠLOST!
Nažalost hoće. Volim ih,ali ne mogu da nastave da postoje. Većina EU država je zabranila korišćenje automobila sa unutrašnjim sagorijevanjem nakon 2030.
The refueling situation will get better in the next 10 years or so as that network for that hydrogen fuel cell big rig comes online. The Nicola One.
"I'm a gas-burning, tyre-spinning jerk" kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk you and me both mate.
Why he says ugly? I think they have a decent look.
It's beautiful.
This isn’t just an environment saver, hydrogen when compared to the same volume of gas provides a much higher amount of power. That means you only need a fraction of hydrogen compared to gasoline to combust an engine. Not to mention hydrogen can easily be pulled out of water.
It has 2.8 times the energy
after watching a documentary of how EV car batteries are made, seems to me that toyota made the best choice (one more time) on how to move forward of fossil fuels.In a decade or maybe earlier, the cost to build a battery car due to lack of lithium, cobalt and nickel required for its batteries will be extremely high, but investing in an actually endless fuel as hydrogen( which by the way is not wasted during the operation but simply turned into water) is the only way to move along, dont forget that instead of private cars sector, there so many other sectors that this technology can be used, even ships can generate their own fuel while at sea by pumping and electrolysing hydrogen, well done toyota!!!!!!
how long does cell last? how much to replace? Platinum still?
It’s a good idea to have fuel cell as well as battery driven vehicles. That way if the elements to battery electric vehicles become to sparse we also have fuel cell.
0-60 in 9.5 seconds. I guess he forgot to switch of the eco mode. LMAO
@Nob the Knave hybrid cars a faster than most gas vehicles too from 0
Why do alternative energy vehicles look so god damn hideous? With the exception of Tesla. I just don't get it.
Take a look at the BMW i8.
Because their aero helps maximizing it's efficiency
Look at the 2021 Mirai redesign. Looks cool
@@sharl_leg Car companies don't want to change the paradigm. Cars are a funding source for companies that make them. Service department is the biggest source of funding. The cars of the past were made to break and supply a source of revenue. Parts, labor and consumables. Electric cars have no oil changes, smog tests tuneups. etc...No wonder only Tesla is thriving in the EV arena.
It looks like a Pontiac Aztek and a Toyota Prius had a baby
Elements aside, electrons are a whole lot more prevalent. And I can refuel this in my garage?
When we make a machine to divide water into H2 and O2 for home use... But it takes 5 minutes to fill it up so it isn't a problem
If you thought about it for a second, there are more sources of Hydrogen then the ones you pointed out. You just need a device to pump it into the vehicle (this device if installed in the vehicle rather than the refilling station would allow you to recharge from any low pressure storage bottle. Alternatively, a standalone unit could be carried in times where re-filling from a low pressure bottle is expected.
Lastly: Massive advancements are being made in the Hydrogen production process
that will greatly improve the energy efficiency of the process making it a much more cost effective and highly feasible to do on a house hold level. The house could be run on hydrogen from a unit consisting of a Hydrogen generator(s), reservoir and a storage tank for vehicular use.
U nearly convinced me your advocation of EV’s is actually a review of a Hydrogen Fuel Cell car. Nearly....
Why are you reviewing the infrastructure? Of course its not at EV level, thats because the UN council want to move away from dependance on foreign oil but still want centralised control of the energy source and EV is the logical choice...
If you were being fair you would compare the implications of running out of energy in an inconvenient location in both vehicles. Conceptually, u can refill your Hydrogen car from a portable tank and pump in the space of minutes, not so in EV car.... U would compare the implications of long haul trips in both cars. Hydrogen car is the same as a conventional car, EV takes a liiittle longer (fast charge options are available but these are not good for battery longevity whatsoever)
U would compare the ability to produce its energy source from home. EV car requires means of charging a storage battery of equivalent Amp hours, (big.... And thats 1 spare charge per battery equivalence) Hydrogen car requires means of powering a device that produces Hydrogen and a means of storing it safely and a means of re-filling your car. ADDITIONALLY, a spare tank and pump (or interchangeable tank incorporated into car design) could be carried for longer trips, doubling or tripling your range.
AND you (every EV advocator) neglects to mention the materials required to manufacture these batteries and the need to dispose of them correctly at end of its lifespan. (Many forms of lithium Ion batteries but the most energy dense material used along side the Lithium is also the most toxic, so it is often used as a means to save costs)
And what is powering the recharge stations? Fossil fuel will still be required to a degree but will not be require the complex transport network to refill the fuel stations.
At the end of the day though. Only focusing on costs is extremely shortsighted.
People like him are shortminded and stupid
when h2 and o2 mix that place that time maximum energy will produce for that control of energy what you use device
I thought Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology was the future 15 years ago. Boy, was I wrong.
Why? It's still the future, where people need a compact non-thorium fuel source for their space scooters.
Fuel cell technology peaked during the space race.
Is it still powered by combustion a engine or is the hydrogen converted into electricity to power an electric motor?
hydrogen corverted to energy by a cell and it powers an eletric motor
It's electric without batteries,so no lithium Ion,which means that we don't have batteries! No more toxic radiation from them!
1 million dollar for the station FOR NOW. it will obviously go down along with hydrogen fuel price
I really hope there aren’t any big crashes involving one of these. If that hydrogen catches on fire, everything’s going to explode just like the Hindenburg. If you get one of these, you’re basically driving a bomb.
They don't light on fire or explode as the gas leaves the car before it has the chance to go kaboom. There were tests
This is the future
With the brakes, why don't companies use ' traditional brakes system' in current day cars? Wouldn't they be more effective ?
But what about the longevity of the rechargeable batteries? Don't they die after about 500-600 charging cycles? Will they last 2 years of daily use? Are the batteries not very expensive to replace? How long does it take to charge the batteries? As for station costs, say a $1 million hydrogen station can fully fuel in 5 min per car, so 60 / 5 = 12 cars per hour. If it takes say, 3 hours/car for a battery fully charge and to effectively serve 12 cars per hour, you would need 36 chargers so cost is 36 * 15,000. = 540,,000. Add to that, real estate costs, waiting room facilities, and value of your time. Seems cost of an electric station are comparable if not more. Seems to me unless the battery longevity and charging time issues are resolved, fuel cells have an advantage.
Blazing Dumpster first off your logical is flawed. It takes about 45 minutes at a Tesla supercharger to get more range the this crappy hydrogen car does. Also people have driven EVs 100,000+ miles and only lost 4-5 miles or range, the way batteries degrade is a lot at first and then they level at and take a long time to degrade. Also what do we know about hydrogen, after till will it wear away something in the car because of how cold it is. What happens if a part gets very brittle from the cold and the 10,000 PSI shoots back at you.
Fuel cells degrade quickly and require replacement in 3-5 years at a comparable cost to replacing an EV battery pack. So to do their storage tanks. Hence why most lease terms offered are 3 years... Also, you're way off on your pack degradation rates. Tesla packs are now observed in the real world to last minimum 3000 charge cycles until only 80% capacity remains. This equates to about 15 years of driving for the average person. Could easily have to rebuild a gas engine twice before replacing your battery pack.
@@Bryan46162 yes,but batteries kill the environment,so no. EVs are not the future by a long shot unless we make a new element that is so widespread that we can't run out of it. Which won't happen
it is the highest time that politicians & lawmakers change this, they could have done this years, even decades before
At 6:46 the tire rotation matches the frame rate and it looks like a glitch haha
Please put some shining BBS wheels on that car ! Hyrogen = Mirai ! Battery cars are often toxic waste on 4 wheels ! - I don´t like them. Direct burning of hydrogen (old German prototypes) is much more fun and does not need toxic batterys !
I don't see much of a future in commuter vehicles for hydrogen, it's well to wheel efficiency is pretty bad compared to battery electric vehicles. It was a clever idea for a stopgap to lacking battery technology, but now batteries are catching up and going down in price, so it just doesn't make a lot of sense to take electricity to produce hydrogen for the hydrogen to be used to produce electricity, why not just run the car on stored electricity and cut out the middle man? But with that said, there is some impressive potential for industrial vehicles. I think Tesla's truck will be a bit of a market flop (way too heavy), so hydrogen seems like it would be a good alternative for semi trucks and large industrial machinery.
Batteries pollute when made! That's the problem. They also pollute when disposed and when made. They aren't a good alternative. H2 is the future
Great technology. Hopefully will be the future (easier to refuel and better for the environment than battery). BUT why make it so ugly? With this technology there's no restriction on the shape.
The 2021 car looks great,these? Not at all
What if you run out of fuel
If more stars from the country states would advocate for these type of cars it would help and these vehicles need to have unique features like what Telsa have done to interest the public. So far from what I've seen Hydrogen cars should stick to SUV/Crossovers until they find away those tanks don't take too much space from the cargo space and backseat.
Why doesn’t Toyota sell flex fuel cars in the US
This guy drinks rotten dinosaurs for breakfast.
Same was said for plug in electric vehicles. Ugly, too expensive, no infrastructure. Now we have EV cars selling all over the place and plug in spots across the country. For hydrogen we're over halfway there as gas stations have water and electricity. All is needed is the one-site machine to pull hydrogen from the water.
All electric vehicles are still ugly though
1985cactus Tesla’s are ugly?
As a sin.
Plug-ins won't be taking over in the future unless the government mandates the amount of vehicles per household. In my home we have 5 cars running on gas and we can't handle a mild SoCal summer without having to deal with blackouts. Imagine having to plug in 1-5 cars for hours while trying to get your AC to work? Now take 2.5 of those cars and multiply it by one block and tell me if you think our infrastructure is anywhere close to being able handle that much usage. I like electric and I like the idea of hydrogen but until we can get the utility companies and the government to stop being so inefficient and corrupt (good luck) it will fail. Also forget automated cars because the city workers can't even figure out how to remove an old white line and paint a new white line correctly.
@Nob the Knave There are and never were any muscle cars in my country, so no.
Another good idea that is so high priced, that you would have to be a fool to buy.
Just like all those fools that bought Tesla Roadsters and Model S.
It is new technology,prick
You didn't mention the cost to refuel.
its roughly same as a tank of gas
Adding solar powered hydrogen generator or electric charging stations to homes plus hydrogen and charging stations is the way forward for fueling our vehicles. We should add hydrogen fueling stations to the EV super charging stations nationally.
In the early 1960's California state fair. A Cadillac was on display; it was a fuel cell car!
Thats is 55 years ago or more. Just the facts.
OVER 1/2 A CENTURY AND STILL WAITING.
It's impossible to cheat physics, hydrogen is the tiniest molecule in the universe, I doubt that material(s) for tanks that will not leak will be ever invented.
It might have been a hydrogen powered car, but probably no fuel cell car. Maybe ICE, maybe gas turbine,...
Miniaturization of fuel cells to fit into a car happened in the 1990ies.
Wait does this car even have a brake booster ??? When he said that you have to push down a lot to stop
The real future of hydrogen infrastructure is in on-site generation. Essentially all the costs would be initial. Once the wind turbine/solar panel array/Modular Nuclear reactor, and electrolysis machine with the cathode isolated from the anode by an ion-permeable membrane using iron-nickle oxide electron perforated electrodes and turbo-molecular pump and pressure vessels are installed All you really need to bring in is water. (Bonus: pure oxygen if anyone wants it)
@4:30 He says EVs are 'the wave of the future' ...well then hydro it is because battery powered cars are garbage-total pain in the ass having to recharge all the time because it refuels so slowly, no one wants to drive around looking for a gd damned rechargeable parking spot, having to plug in everytime you come home.. nobody wants them.. so battery powered cars are going no-where - that means that the entire electric vehicle industry is hydrogen.. which isn't so bad, some people are worried about the high pressure tanks but in many countries they have been refueling useing gas for decades with NGVs .. no explosions.
so is this water fuel or what
Yes
No, it's hydrogen.
Which could be produced by electrolyzis of water with a lot of electricity.
But today, it's mainly produced by steam reformation of natural gas.
Water isn't the fuel, but the exhaust.
There's lots of hydrogen in our star, but getting it out is not cost effective vs letting it fuse and collecting the energy via solar panels.
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe but we live on earth. It is the 10th most abundant element in the earths crust. So it took 15 seconds for Autobytel to mislead.
Seems like this car was dead on arrival... All posted review videos are suspiciously slanted to discount its existence all
together. EV cars suffered this for decades before the public would finally bite ( or before journalists would even review them without first refusing them before technology caught up ) . This seems like such a great, viable alternative and I hope that toyota developers continue to push this car further into the future. The future of cars shouldn't rely solely on one form of "fuel", rather there should be several alternative clean sources until we can finally get ourselves off oil completely.
Just one question: what is the value proposition of this or any other Hydrogen vehicle?
I am not native and have no idea what proposition means.
They pollute far less than EVs (when built) and the fuel is very cheap (not now,but it will be)
No thanks. Notice he doesn't mention cost per km in fuel. Trading expensive gas for expensive hydrogen doesn't make sense. Electric cars (depending on what you're paying per kw hour), cost +- $0.01 per km to drive. NOTHING beats electric. Period.
But they do kill the environment with batteries and during the production! Think about how you are still killing the Earth,just a bit slower when going to work. H2 is expensive now because of the lack of infrastructure,it will change
Is the fuel cell something like HHO generator? If so, the fuel from the station is water enough. Isnt it? Shouldn't hydrogen anymore. Cause the fuel cell will generate hydrogen. Why need hydrogen station? Why?
Plenty water at home or anywhere.
You mixed it up. You use hydrogen,and get water as a byproduct
The presenter is pretty futuristic looking with a bad attitude..Its better looking than most cars
Here we are in 2024 and Toyota is offering massive discounts on a car it can't sell!
there is few things more ridiculous than reviewing an hydrogen fuel cell powered car and talking about the rims
Why spend 60k on this when you could buy a brand new Tesla model 3?
Cuz EVs pollute when being made?
Thought you said "ford" windshield 😂
lmfao this is more expensive than a regular gas car what even Toyota
ifkr bro
Miguel Angel Medina Rise Well you don't have to pay for gas or it's influx of prices, so that's pretty cool. Plus, it's kind of like paying more for organic/vegan groceries, instead of the regular ones; it means well, but it'll cost more to produce. This technology is still new, so I don't think it would hold well in the marketplace, unless it becomes more accessible or gas prices sky rocket. But if Mirai is the future, I'll be looking forward to their latest models when the time comes.
Elijah Pedroza But if this doesn't kick off you will essentially have an unsellable vehicle.
And God I wish Toyota Gabe this thing a better styling to give it more of a chance. Honda Clarity looks beautiful. This Toyota looks like a disgrace.
@@MiguelRPD the 2021 car looks great,so that's a plus!
It’s 2019. And there is still no fueling stations within 50 miles of my home. I live in a heavily populated county in California. I was wondering why you can pick these up for 12,000 dollars for. 2014 or 2016. The thing that’s really stupid, even Toyota dealers don’t have them. Great selling tool?!?!?
The same was with EVs. New tech needs to grab on,and this will for sure. If it doesn't, we're doomed.
Maybe this should tell you something. With a Tesla you can charge anywhere there is a plug. Not so with Fool Cells. I Bought my 2016 30kw Nissan Leaf for 13,550. Meets all my needs.
@@LawrenceRhodes ah,yes. Let's compare new tech against something that was mainstream in 2008. Look, it's all down to personal preference. It is a fact that batteries and electric cars in general pollute when made. Batteries do last longer than fuel cells,but fuel cells are a new thing. We have to wait and see in the future,but batteries won't be as good as fuel cells as they are heavy and can't hold as much energy (and the charging time is atrocious) as fuel cells. The fact that the "almighty Elon" said that his business's main competitor is stupid just shows how good of a business man he is. If Teslas ran on hydrogen,he would say that batteries are stupid. That is how a good business man works, someone will become competitive and can reduce my profits,bash on his tech and say it is stupid,and every person that is an Elon fanboy will listen,thus reducing the cars bought,thus killing the Earth as you need to drive 80 000 km on 100% clean energy JUST to become pollution neutral. Hydrogen cars are automatically neutral as they can turn CH4 into C02 (CH4 is 21x worse when it comes to greenhouse gases) so it actually cleans the earth from CH4. If using electrolysis it is as clean as the electricity (if it's green,the car is green. The same works with BEVs). Jet engines destroy the O3 layer,good luck getting electric planes with batteries,as batteries pollute when made and are heavy. H2 planes can easily be made. Time will tell who will win,but for the planet's sake,hope for H2.
@@sharl_leg If it was viable it would catch on. It is not so it won't. You can't drive out of California. A failed experiment. More expensive and less efficient. Also the KABOOM factor.
He’s not negative about it. He is very realistic. We just need to accept that as great as hydrogen cars are, we don’t have the infrastructure for it yet. I think we should stick to electric cars for now. This is too out of our reach atm
What happens if you crash? Will the tanks/car blow up and kill you like a bomb would? Don't sound to safe to me.
It's safer than anything else as it doesn't light on fire and the H2 leaves the tank as gas upon impact so it's fine
You guys still haven't done 0-60 for CLA45 AMG yet
"Guess what the most abundant element in the universe is?"
"Dunno..."
"Hydrogen !!!!... it makes up 3/4 of the entire mass of the universe"
"That sounds great... must be really cheap to fuel a car with such an abundant free fuel"
"yeah, I know right..."
"So, how much mollecular hydrogen is there in our atmosphere?"
There is a tiny, tiny amount of molecular hydrogen H2 in the atmosphere, about 0.5 parts per million. It could be extracted, but it would be ludicrously expensive"
"oh, okay i'll buy a tesla"
Hydrogen production is not complicated and commonplace, smart ass. You talk like lithium is in great abundance.
this is great technology. what are it's drawbacks?
Dumb people. Makes water which makes more hydrogen which makes more water which makes more hydrogen and so on. Only a bit of electricity required AND it doesn't pollute as much as EVs when being made
@@sharl_leg "Only a bit of electricity" is a giant understatement.
It's roughly 50 kWh to produce 1 kg of hydrogen by electrolyzis of water. And also some kWh to compress it to 700 bar. And a lot of additional kWh to liquify 1 kg of hydrogen for transport.
1 kg of hydrogen will give you a range of ~100 km (60 miles).
Hey look on the good side. With this cars can now explode like the ones in Fallout
It was proven they are as safe,or safer than EVs and gas,as they don't burn nor blow up. (The H2 leaves the car upon impact)
how much did a full tank of hydrogen cost you
How long and how much is it to fill the
tank ?
5 minutes and same price
Actually, since Hydrogen is matter, it only makes up 3.675% of the universe. It makes up approximately 75% of everyday matter in the universe though.
I see the future as a mix of hydrogen & battery power. Hydrogen for long journeys & battery powered cars for city cars or short distance commuters. Frankly, Id rather have a hydrogen powered car. The infrastructure is not an issue....the issue is that oil companies refuse to invest in it! I actually think the Mirai is pretty good looking! I dont like the shape of the back window & its profile but I understand it was designed like that to decrease drag. I think its much better looking than the stupid Prius. Also do you people realize just how much pollution is created by creating a lithium ion battery? Not only does it use A LOT of energy to manufacture those batteries, to obtain the lithium needed for the batteries, they have to mine A LOT of dry sea beds & create A LOT of toxic by products in the manufacturing process of the lithium foam.
@Mr Penguin we need to stop using EVs,they aren't the future either
diesel will never die!!!!
But it should
But you will(from breathing the soot)
What is the cost of fuel, to drive those two hundred plus miles?
A bit more expensive now,in the future more than a third of the price
How much does it cost to fill the tank at today's rate?
Same as petrol
Year later - absolutely nothing happening with H2 stations. Why? Because Hydrogen is way more expensive than gasoline.
It isn't,it's the lack of demand for it. Hydrogen would be much cheaper than gas if there was more demand and more production
@@sharl_leg If there was more demand the price will rise. You are simply in love with hydrogen and won't listen to logic...or Elon Musk who said"Hydrogen is silly".
I think fuel cells are the future. Yes, there aren't a lot of fueling stations. There weren't a lot of electric stations a few years ago either. Electric cars (in my opinion, if you wanna call it an opinion) are just as bad if not worse for the environment then efficient gas cars because you still have to make the electricity and then you have the batteries to dispose of after 5-10 years. There's no fossil fuels being burning with hydrogen vehicles. Give it 10-15 years. That's not that long in the grand scheme of things
H2 cars are BEV's. They just come with an expensive and complicated range extender that uses an exotic fuel. However, that range extender cannot change it's output for several seconds thus the need for batteries. Without them you would put you foot down in a hydrogen vehicle and the car would not even start to respond for about 10 seconds.
@@Bryan46162 they don't use batteries. They have a fuel tank
Tyson is testing in the semis with hydrogen engines
Mirai convert hydrogen to chsrging battry ?
Wow it sounds like the 2018 version bumped the mileage significantly boasting 300+ range. I also hear it's under 60k. He also makes no mention about road noise or how quiet the cabin is D:
I do like that you're an inch taller than me so I finally have some real world comparrisons to work with.
ohh! Just today, we (Hawaii) just opened our first (open to public) hydrogen station! They say Mirai's will be available by the end of the month... for lease (DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNNNN). We still get the free fillups but I guess the dealer (yes... dealer... as in one... because servco has a monopoly over this place... damn squids) get's the tax credits D:
Well for someone on Hawaii it actually makes a lot of sense! That’s awesome!
I live in Southern Oregon and drive a 100% electric Nissan Leaf. I purchased it used for $7,000. Plugging in at home is super convenient. Why try to reinvent the wheel? Tesla and Chevrolet are now selling 200+ mile range electric vehicles to the masses for less than $40,000 dollars. Where is Toyata and their commitment to the Rav 4 EV?
Batteries pollute when made,extracted,disposed. EVs also pollute more than any other car when made
would it explode if there is an accident?
No,the H2 is let through as gas. It just escapes,making it the safest actually as it can't catch fire
I mean, as long as there are no fuel ⛽ stations it is not even as convenient as a straight up electric car 🚗. I am pretty sure that many rich businessmen will join their hands to make sure that hydrogen powered cars don't get that popular. Supercharging stations have a huge business possibility. Mini malls, restaurants, etc. Let's see what is going to happen.
Make your own Hydrogen. A company makes a portable machine that makes Hydrogen.
Do you know how they store it an at what pressure? I think compressing the hydrogen is a big use of energy also, adds to the safety concerns as well.
Does it run on rechargeable batteries? That would be the ultimate joke!
The future actually looks good for petrol heads. When the majority switches to hydrogen cars for normal commute, it will lead to cheaper and more abundant gasoline being available to the combustion-engine-car enthusiasts. Running a gas guzzling V8 will be cheap and guilt-free. Thank you Toyota.
But it will be banned in Europe,in like 10 years. Enjoy it while it lasts