I try LIVING with a HYDROGEN FUEL CELL car...
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
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Good video
Thanks. I love yours too!
I love your videos DDoI! ❤️
Stan myers was right
Daily dose of Internet will you be using a clip from this video?
You know I searched up hydrogen powered car because DDI introduced it in his last vlog then clicked this dudes vlog then checking through his comments then saw DDI commented then wow whatta coincidence hahaha
"I don't care about the features.."
2 seconds later...
"Ooooo, fancy!"
Just found that kind of funny..
😂😂 Totally true!
Saw that part... done with this review.
Gago haha
Immediately scrolled down to the comment section too search for this comment🤣.
You may not do it but they certainly do to the young. for them it is probably quite obvious that a car should offer Spotify 😃 or some other streaming service. and other smart features and they may also want comfortable suspension comfort
It would totally make sense for the dealership to install a hydrogen station.
I would imagine it is bonkers expensive. They’ve not had fuel filling stations for years, hydrogen stations will be much more expensive than those.
Makes sense. Every toyota dealer that sells Mirai will have a community of loyal Mirai costumers for refueling as well. As more people buy these cars, businesses on hydrogen fueling station will start to appear near the area and will be like domino effect.
Good bye Toyota Prius battery generator Hydrogen in use needs no batteries and i like the battery climate control
@@beedee9534 HFC cars still need a battery.
That's what manufacturers should do to help sales. Any location willing/able to put one in would probably help sales huge. If you can fill up where you bought it, you keep going there.
"Unlike a gas car you don't need to hold it." Does this guy not have the locking clips in his area?
A lot of areas took them out like in nyc I have never seen one
What the hell is a locking clip?
We don’t have them in the UK either.
Coming from a family (and me) who works on gas stations, pumps that don't lock are super cheap. They also break alot
@@ragingstormgaming7829 hmm it’s weird honestly. We do have the actual mechanism of clips but they don’t work here. Like they remove the part that locks the clip itself so the clip just moves back and forth
The Toyota dealership really just scammed him out of a free fill up
Fr 😭
I mean he probably made way more then what it cost him to refill
The whole hydrogen Car thing is a scam already
@@Chen-sm1og elaborate
@@Chen-sm1og
JCB in the UK, are producing and testing hydrogen powered ice vehicles, and ice add on’s to existing engines already, with zero emissions.
So, it isn’t a scam.
Check your facts first, before you comment.
cool tech and I would much prefer this over a strictly electric car.
I don't want to say one is better than the other. As a Tesla Model S owner, I noticed a few things and you guys can decide what is important to you. 1 - the most I've ever paid for a full tank is $9, so you paying $46 is a big difference. Also, if you charge at home on a typical 110 plug it's about $3 to fill the tank. If you charge at home the are no wait times because you charge overnight. If you need a destination charge it depends on how many miles you need to add but going from empty to full ranges from 40 minutes to an hour. I usually charge near a place I can do something like a grocery shop. you don't have a frunk. Seem little but that extra cargo area is very useful to me. You made is sound slow, my car is very fast, but that might not mean anything to some people. There looks like there are a lot more parts a pieces to it so maintenance over time would be a big factor to me. Curious when the water comes out, wouldn't want it in my garage. Anyway, just some things I saw. Great video!
When he said the batteries for EVs are so big but never said that there's 3 massive tanks that take up half the car 😅 theres not much interior space and the cost to fill up is so ridiculous especially here in the states
Your video was awesome! It answered a lot of questions that other videos skip over. I have been interested in Hydrogen fuel cells for many years, and I understand the down side, but I believe it's a good start, and a better future alternative to straight electric vehicles.
I'm a little disappointed you didn't hoon it in a save on foods parking lot... Pretty well a standard test for any Canadian vehicle.
Bahahaha... So true!
Ha....great idea but to be honest a busy UK motorway did a bit of weaving in and out in sport mode. It only kicks out 136HP but the torque is awesome....!!
I truly don't understand your comment. "Hoon"? Save on foods parking lot? I'm in Canada and I don't get it. Keep in mind that km 60 years old! Go easy on me!lol!
Ha!! Joining is something American rally driver Ken Block does. Check him out.....he calls himself a Hoonigan!
Hooning I mean not joining
“Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the planet”
*Pays $42 for hydrogen*
the hydrogen is created on site through water and electrolysis. the cost is likely the electricity that goes into producing the gas. the price likely depends on electricity price of the area and since there are no other competitors they can charge what they want.
the cost of producing the hydrogen should be only a couple of dollars
Correction,
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, not on Earth.
Hello 30% well-to-wheel effiency...
Welcome to Vancouver where we pay 27% fuel taxes LOL
Wrong, that is oxygen.
“You get hydrogen from electrolysis…” Well, no … not usually. By far the least expensive way to “get hydrogen” isn’t from 💦 by electrolysis, it’s by steam reforming natural gas, followed by use of water-gas-shift chemistry, both of which generate CO2 - making it not green at all (or, even worse, from steam reforming of coal, which makes even more CO2.
Yes but mining 80lbs of lithium for a electric car produces more co2 and kills more child slaves than steam reforming hydrogen. Until lithium is mined off world AND its mined by robots its about as ethical as BLOOD DIAMONDS and polluting as natural gas.
Lithium is 99% recyclable, eventually the majority of new batteries will be sourced from old batteries. Now how many times can you recycle that coal or any other combustible?
@@superspooky4580 you really are brainwashed... guess where all those rare metals from your devices come from...
@@mostneuter I know where it comes from. And I know that by buying a phone or any technology made today I have blood on my hands. But that’s why I have a 8 year old phone. My 100grams of lithium 8 years ago is a little better than 589,000grams of lithium (a very conservative estimate). A Tesla battery weighs 3500lbs and most of that is lithium. So make that 1300kg of lithium. So yeah my 100grams every 8 years vs some peoples new electric car every 3-4 years. And once those battery’s go bad they get trashed.
@@superspooky4580 Why do you keep talking about lithium? Do you really think it's the only metal on earth?
Also, if you really think Tesla throw away their batteries, you really need to start doing some research on the subject instead of talking shit :)
The only reason why most companies don't recycle their batteries is only because it's cheaper to get new ones, recycling them is already done by some companies at a smaller scale and as it was said previously, lithium is 100% recyclable
edit: Tesla also will have in the future an entire area of their Gigafactory dedicated for recycling batteries if i remember well
For daily driving, range doesn't matter a lot for BEV since we wake up with a full charge, and when we do go beyond 300 miles we have chargers practically everywhere and use that charge time for restroom and eating. I think I'll stick with my BEV, but always nice to have alternatives.
eletric will always win in preformance but range isn't what makes hydrogen so awsome. The BEST part of hydrogen is its BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE with gas cars. Meaning with a ($1000~) kit you could convert any gas car into a hydrogen burning car. This is how we stop consumerism by letting people make their used cars new again. instead of doing what the billionaires want "your 3 year old gas car is inefficient BUY NEW BUY BUY BUY electric but buy new"
@@superspooky4580 Tesla still supports old cars and while sir you can convert an old car, I bought into electric because it’s better overall and Teslas are awesome
@@tylerdingus7053 I agree that electrics are awesome and they are stupidly powerful. BUT I only have a problem with people buying a brand new electric car because “I’m trying to be green and protect the environment”. So many people thinking buying a brand new car loaded with lithium battery’s is some how “saving the environment”
@@superspooky4580 would would help is micro cars with modern efficiency.
Ok, that's just an excuse, I just want to see em. I have seen a few that look real cool, most of them look rather funky and ugly but the few that don't look real fun
@@superspooky4580 What, no can't just convert ICE into hydrogen, you are thinking of Biofuel. You can't burn hydrogen in a ICE motor, it simply won't do anything at all. You need to replace the fuel tank, as it needs to be a pressured tank, that can hold hydrogen as it notarius for leaking too. The whole engine then needs to come out, as again it can't burn the fuel at all. You would also need to install a huge battery, as the engine does not convert power at a need basic, it makes energy that is stored in batteries then used by electric motors.
“I bought it for the range” - (can’t leave Vancouver)
Probably wanted a car that doesn't run on fossil fuels whilst getting the most range option as possible
also needs to essentially drive 2x my daily commute to fuel the car instead of just plugging a cable in it in the evening. and thinks rapid charging takes several hours.
@@yvs6663 Agreed
yea thats kinda sad.
@@c.o.1887 the car was made with fossil fuels lol and it's not his only car
Hydrogen comes mostly from steam reforming natural gas, not electrolysis.
Especially Shell hydrogen.
Steam is Literally Water in a vapor state, not the same as Separated H & O gases, can't breath Oxygen Directly from water molecules.
@@cranfillnathan7411 We know what steam is, but you don't seem to know that Canada produces its hydrogen from the Alberta oil patch, not electrolysis, as was incorrectly suggested in the video. Hydrogen is a dirty fuel here, because it is the byproduct of natural gas + water + fossil fuel heat = more carbon dioxide + carbon monoxide + hydrogen. Until that changes, you would produce fewer green house gasses operating a gas powered car, than a hydrogen one.
Even from electrolysis it would be bad. There is no surplus of green electricity so most of the time it is coal or gas fired power stations that would need to run to provide extra power to the grid. Does not matter for the climate whether on paper you buy green electricity.
@@DanielKivariTeacher Globally, making hydrogen creates about 800 million tons of CO2, plus fossil fuels are used for heat. Yeah, unfortunately, it really is not "green" like the promoters make out. Hydrogen filling stations cost $2-3 million, and service 10-20 cars a day . Could the money building out the infrastructure be better spent on solar and batteries ?
What I would envision in the future would be having home fuel cell units creating electricity for the home (not connected to grid), fuel cell units would also power your Electric vehicle (I think electricity storage will change rapidly in next 10 years) and many more EV power stations will come on line as charge times decrease to 5 - 10 minutes. Hydrogen will be delivered to home or delivered to a home tank.
currently writing a dissertation on the potential of FCEVs so a bit of a coincedence that this video got recommended. The ineffeciences he mentioned here are an issue in cars but the power density means they scale better than batteries in larger vehicles. Look out for more hydrogen buses etc in future!
They've been testing fuel cell buses in Vancouver for probably 20 years. See Ballard Power Systems.
I woudn't bet the farm on that. A number of H2 bus operators aren't thrilled now and are likely to be far less thrilled as other battery cost continue to drop at 8% per year or more as they have for some time now.
Also "power density" = charge/discharge rate
"energy density" = capacity. You don't want to misuse the terms in your paper.
The use case for PHEVs is shrinking every year. Busses are already gone.
For long haul trucks and ships, I would use Nat Gas as that's already been done and is Far easier and cheaper to get. If Tesla builds out mega chargers, even long haul trucks will fall to EV.
If it makes water, shouldn't there be a drinking water compartment? Imagine a car that quenches your thirst and makes ice cubes. That would be a big selling point in Arizona desert type places.
yeah but while it will give water, it won't give minerals, and demineralized water can make you extremely sick
@@tafftafflecomuniste1857 That's not really the reason. The process is not food safe, so it's not advised to drink it.
The amount of water produced is very minimal or there would be Extremely High Inefficiency and Waste.
I wouldn't want to drink Natural Gas water.
@@jacksonbangs6603did u fail chemistry?
The adjustable steering wheel is a feature that has been around in Toyota since the Lexus LS400 in the 90s
I think this will be awesome once solid state batteries are full stream. Combining those 2 technologies will be nothing short of awesome.
Solid state batteries, les. Hydrogen, you are joking, aren't you?
It is cool though, if hydrogen is used for clean energy storage and aviation, and also shipping / long haul trucking. For personal transportation or transportation on predictable routes and schedules, batteries work better.
There is a REASON airplanes do to use it...because it is NOT viable.
Minor correction: the fuel cell combines the hydrogen with the oxygen to create electricity (basically, electrolysis in reverse). Thus, what comes out of the fuel cell is water, electricity, and heat.
Good video. I'm an automotive engineer and enjoy this technology. It's worth noting studies have show since there are several methods of isolating the hydrogen. Some methods actually produce less emissions to isolate the hydrogen to move the vehicle than some of the energy production plants used to move standard electric vehicles
Your content is quite logical and answered all the questions in the same sequence they popped up in my mind. Perfect. Subscribed!
Welcome aboard!
This was an awesome video. It really shows how energy efficient cars can be. That being said, as a person who grew up in Chicago for 18 years, I think that the Metra Electric District, the Windy City's only electrified commuter line (and one of two trains I grew up riding) should add hydrogen technology to their bilevel Electric Multiple Units. The reasons why I think so is because trains can keep running with the pantographs locked down while the catenary is out of service for maintenance. An added bonus would be if it were to be extended further south from the current terminal at University Park (31.5 miles from downtown Chicago, hopefully to Kankakee, which is in total 57 miles from the city), then they could do away with installing an additional 26 miles of catenary, thus saving thousands or even millions of dollars. Additionally other electrified passenger railroads, along with light and heavy rail systems should experiment with this green technology.
As a Nissan Leaf driver I like the convenience of charging at home. I live in Medford Oregon where there are still no hydrogen fueling stations. Like my cellphone I only need a 110 volt outlet to charge my Nissan Leaf.
A Nissan Leaf is not a car. It's a beer can with a battery drill motor.
I would say from a technical standpoint, hydrogen is good for heavy duty. Think for example of construction machines, they run all day and dont have time for charging, so they need to fill up fast. A car usually runs only a couple of hours, so there is lots of time for charging, and the greater efficiency comes more into focus
Your right. Never thought about it that way.
And people who complained about EV long charging time? C’mon you have to stop for breaks and 15-30 mins of changing goes a long way. There’s no need to charge it to 100 percents all the time.
Yes and semi trucks as well,
Semis and construction equipment, do you have any idea how many batteries would be needed
I liked your video it was very thorough and explained not just the practicality of the car but the arguments for and against- well presented and I didn’t feel like you were selling a point of view
I actually learned a lot from this one video kept my pulled from the start.
Hyde from That 70's show: "a car that runs on water, man!!"
Well most hydrogen is got as a byproduct of fossil fuels because it’s cheaper.
here's my take. for normal vehicles i Believe the market will be dominated by pure EV's but for planes and things like that then i see it going towards hydrogen because of the weight of the batteries.
Planes will never use hydrogen or electricity to any great extent due to low energy density compared to jet fuel.
Those new short range electric passenger aircrafts they're building are pretty sweet though. Make no noise, can land pretty much anywhere. I see a great future for them.
@@arcosiancosine1065 well okay
@@arcosiancosine1065 maybe for small planes?
thanks grim, china appreciates this info, but will attack on the commercial side, as well, not just buses and trucks
Time will tell but having had the same Toyota for over 20 years I can say without reservations that I trust the brand, like I trust the technology will improve with time. Besides, this H thing is totally clean and not dependant on a grid for fuel. I like it. Thanks for your video.
Great video.
Obviously the increased availability of fuelling stations in the coming years will make this technology cheaper and more convenient. The price of hydrogen through renewables will fall significantly as scale and productiin efficiency improves.
There is space on the road for both BEV and FCEV.
There are commentators who are hostile to one or other technology. The consumer should not be distracted by such vitriolic narratives. There is room in the market. Just as there was for diesel and petrol.
Decarbonisation is the priority and green hydrogen forms part of that future.
Hydrogen fuelling stations are actually closing down.
I've been really impressed by hydrogen fuel cell technology, and the storage tank improvements they've made. I think this is viable.
Totally and it produces more power to weight so our semis will be hydrogen in Canada testing right now actually can't get enough batteries to haul a load of logs off a mountain or lumber to the world
@@joeblow1186 Yet the first battery powered freight locomotive has just been sold. It's going to haul mining trains in Australia.
@@joeblow1186 hard agree, HFC tech makes more sense the more you scale up in vehicle size etc
Good bye Toyota Prius battery generator Hydrogen in use needs no batteries and i like the battery climate control
Bam!! I hope Toyota and Lexus fans make hydrogen fuel cell the thing to own
Hey! I actually work for the company that builds, owns and operates the hydrogen refuelling stations in BC, including the one you went to in North Vancouver. It's awesome that you're giving positive exposure to this technology. It's really important for people see hydrogen fuel cell and battery electric as equally positive alternatives to conventional combustion engines rather than competing technologies. Great video.
Good review and I like the concept. I can see the trucking industry taking this up in a big way.
Good bye Toyota Prius battery generator Hydrogen in use needs no batteries and i like the battery climate control
Nice video Mike. However, everyone forgets to factor-in the energy and pollution used and created during the mining and refining of ingredients to produce the batteries for BEVs.The process is destructive to the environment and the energy used to make the batteries must be considered against the energy used for producing hydrogen. Also, the recycling of batteries requires more energy to be used. This needs to be considered when comparing these two kinds of electric vehicle
Good job 👏 😊 Andrew
This was a surprise detour into a new topic. I've heard of these cars but knew nothing about how they worked. Now I do, so thanks! I think it will turn on the availability of hydrogen pumps and on whether all-electric batteries will ever get mor range. It's good to see any gas alternatives taking shape.
Thanks John. We'll see what happens!
After purchasing an EV, I can't see people rushing to get in on hydrogen. I can charge at home for dirt cheap, have 500 km of range whenever I wake up, no need for daily stops. I recently moved from Victoria to St.Johns, and drove my car across the entirety of Canada. Total cost at superchargers? 240 dollars. Average charge time is about 20-25 minutes, but after 4 hours on the road, it's nice to take a break and stretch your legs. Tesla chargers are usually close to some kind of food store, or grocery store, so you can stop for a snack.
@@tysonkauth7232 What I noticed with Tesla is whatever savings you get from no gas you end up spending on food :) Similar thing with cycling :)
Mike: Well, I bought it for the range and the fuel up time.
Also Mike: I can’t leave Vancouver because there are no fuel up stations
Yes, but that is not a vehicle issue but an infrastucture one. If you had no petrol stations outside Vancouver would you be able to drive an internal combustion vehicle outside the city? No, you would not. So why criticise a vehicle for the currentl lack of infrastructure? The infrastructure is never going to be built if the vehicles do not work after all..... It's not like the current petroleum infrastructure sprang up overnight fully developed you know....
When petro cars introduced, there was a dearth of gas stations as well so drivers couldn't travel very far either.
@@alganhar1 We are talking about now, not the past.
Meanwhile, Mike could have not gone out of his way to waste 5 minutes standing next to a hydrogen pump, and instead, he could have just plugged his Battery Electric Vehicle into an outlet at home before going to sleep for the night, and awoken to a full "tank" (charge).
The advantage petrol had (and has) though was that you could more or less put some in a bucket and take more with you. You can’t do that with hydrogen.
Great video..first time viewer..great energy and fun! The shape of the car is downright dismal! The complexity of the engine and conversion system is ridiculous and bulky and although batteries currently take a long time to charge, they can be charged at home and this takes the fuel companies out of the picture..which I LOVE!
Ya trade the fuel company for the electric company. Then bitch about them. Great idea.
Awesome fuel cell explanation, demonstration, and production. Plus youre a showbiz natural.
I can't wait for this technology to advance and more stations to be available all over. I live in the mid-west of USA. Let's move forward and away from fossil fuels.
regular EV chargers are already available all over the mid-west and other parts of the USA! Hydrogen does lag behind, but EVs are available now!
you do know that the most commonly used substance to create the hydrogen needed in the massive quantities needed is petroleum
get an EV
Hydrogen is half as efficient to make as bev’s and that is not including how they hold it. And hydrogen is usually made with byproducts of fossil fuels as it is cheaper, why do you think the fossil fuel industry is supporting hydrogen so much?
@@HarrisonAdAstra its worse than half. Electric cars use 100% of the available energy. Hydrogen is lucky to get 35% efficiency.
I remember a few years back I heard about using Hydrogen in a car when there was one pump for it in all of the UK. Glad to see the tech has really developed since then. Keep up the great work man!
Thanks Quinton!
@@DownieLive you should do the same for a Tesla. Then you could make a comparison video, so it’s basically one idea for two videos.
@@DownieLive there is still only a dozen more or less.
Developed since then? The Car's internals haven't really changed since 10 years...
I think for now battery powered cars like the Tesla will win out over hydrogen fuel cell. But in the long run, I am quite certain that the fuel cell will win out.
Starting in 2012 my 3rd car of my life is a patriot jeep 5 speed STICK shift (manual to some) The tank is 11 gallons, it gets almost 200 miles on half tank. I'm a skier as I've mentioned before and my home ski mountain if I take the shuttle bus (round trip) 64 miles. Over this season price per gallon 3.49. All season tires 4 wheel drive and I know how to up shift and down shift(manual drivers know what I mean). Not sure if rumors are true or not but as your video just showed well....I sure hope the manual shift doesn't go away! Thanks for the information!
wow wow wow, this is now? I cant believe it. this looks like the future. thank you for taking the time to make this video.
I think fuel cells might be useful for semi-trucks and heavy equipment (especially if it’s generated from renewable energy), but pure electrics are better for most everyday drivers. It’s so much more convenient to recharge at home and never have to go to the gas station!
It shall be the other way around. Battery pack is heavy. No so much probelm for commercial viechle, but big probelm for passenger viechle. Hydrogen fuel cell is a goo range extender.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v Actually a battery pack is a big negative for commercial vehicles. They are too heavy for commercial vehicles (especially trucks) that have a maximum weight they can carry on roads/highways. Cars are so light that adding the extra weight won't inconvenience the average Joe because the efficiency of an EV is better for non-commercial drivers (they don't have to care about weight restrictions). Commercial vehicles would benefit from hydrogen being way lighter and saving time on fueling up. Thats why Caddyzig is right.
thats what Hyundai is trying to do in Europe. A fleet of hydrogen powered semis trucks
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v Hydrogen doesn't make sense for consumer vehicles (possibly not even most commercial ones either) and pretty much everyone that's not Toyota has learned this.
@@dylanlong6269 Yea, Semi's with weight restrictions would go Hydro. Aviation that need to have as little weight as possible to fly would go Hydro as well.
You can be a good teacher brother because the way you explain the things is awesome.👍
I honestly was totally unaware of Hydrogen Fuel Cell tech until I stumbled across this video. Great content as always Downie!
The tech has been in existence since the 1960's, and has been used on every American Manned Space Mission since Gemini (1965) to the Space Shuttle. The oxygen tank that exploded on Apollo 13 was there to mix with hydrogen from another tank in the Service Module in a fuel cell to provide electrical power to the Command and Service modules and drinking water for the astronauts.
No. Very biassed. You need a hydrogen powered car like a hole in the head.
Real good video man!! Good information and prompt very well.
Glad you liked it!
Love the “baum-chika-waw-waw” soundtrack! 🤣They installed a pump for these at the 76 in our old neighborhood (Sherman Oaks, CA) and we started to see several of them around town. good looking cars!
I'm in California and I just filled up at 4.56 a gallon. *sigh* Yup I watched this twice. Editing is spot on by the way! love it.
Right on! Thanks!
Gas here in Vancouver is roughly $6 per gallon ($1.50 per litre). We have been living with these kinds of gas prices for a long time, so welcome to the club! hahaha.
And that is $5.50 Canadian
@@raynemichelle2996 a US gallon is 3.78 litres so if it's $4.56/US gallon - that works out to C$1.46/litre. In Victoria - our gas price is $1.54/litre
@@raynemichelle2996 I'm not sure where you're taking your figures from, but the comment from a Vancouverite just previous to yours puts gas at ( $1.50 X 3.78 = $5.67 Can. per U.S. Gallon ) or ( $1.50 X 4.53 = $6.80 Can, per Imperial Gallon )
I don't know if you guys knew, but the first ever H2 fuel station is considered to be in BC, Surrey. At least a teacher told me so.
& I'm so happy to be there for an exchange term at SFU starting next month. Might rent a fuel cell car too someday when I'm there :D
Cool content by the way! Great video as always :)
Been invested in H for over 20 years. Finally a chance to get compensated with a cleaner environment.
@DownieLive -
For efficency conclusion , everyone must keep in mind that the powerplant is already integrated into the Hydrogen car , while normal electric cars (incl. Tesla) have it externalized in the power grid (incl. tons of wires , trtansmission transformers + substations , rectifiers & Power Plants)
Except for the process of creating, (by electrolysis or methane re-forming), compressing, building storage and transportation infrastructure , transportation to refill sites, storage and dispensing of the pressurized hydrogen. Battery electric cars (BEV and PHEV) use existing infrastructure (just like fueled cars have with refineries and gas stations) for home charging and in practice use the energy more efficiently.
This is impressive. I wonder if this will take over gas powered vehicles or at least an alternative to regular electric vehicles.
Well it isn't as convenient as a normal EV, because you can't "refuel" this at home, on cheap rate energy or by using solar panels.
@@Brian-om2hh true
Nope it won't. Its a vastly more expensive way to do what an EV does in a car that's far simpler to build. Range is already 350 mi or so (400-500 in a few) in upper level EVs with battery prices due to plummet 50% in the next 3 years as superior/cheaper batteries scale up. (I don't count the paper battries like solid state as yet). LFP energy densities are rising, Cost to manufacture with sold electrolytes are much less. Charge rates rapidly increasing with tabless batteries and other technical approaches.
The sun is setting fast on the PHEV with the massive cost of building out infrastructure, it would need many years to ramp at great taxpayer cost. It has Zero chance to become anything significant before its completely eclipsed as battery prices fall.
The fact that people are still talking about this is a testament to how badly our educational system has fallen. Its like hearing people jabbering away about how 7 is really a smaller number than 3.
The basic math isn't there. Its really quite annoying.
H2 is a political football. Not a remotely viable solution.
This looks like fun, especially in beautiful Vancouver. Yay! A little like a Prius like was said here with the changing to different power source. Fun.
I love your video. Presentation of information is easy to understand.
All the benefits of an EV...? EXCEPT HOME CHARGING!!!
It still has a battery and imo they should have a port as well as the gas fueling port so you can charge the battery up in emergencies :)
You don't fill up your gas vehicle at home either.
@@yjfnfgy and you don't refuel at idk... The middle of nowhere
Cmon, then why the canister exist? Yes not everyone has it at home but literally everyone at home has electricity. Should be a no brainer.
Besides not just meant charging at home. If you're at somewhere where there's no hydrogen charging station you need a back up. Redundancy is important
@@Patrik2166 I'll just stick with gas/diesel.
Dont have to worry about finding a place to refill/recharge. 😂
Plus, I'm a mechanic. So working on my car is easy and far less hazardous.
It could theoretically be done. You have water and electricity, all that is needed for electrolysis.
"I don't care about the leather seats"
"Ooooooo fancy"
it'd be nice if its green hydrogen(from electrolysis); however, right now, 90% of hydrogen production is from steam methane reforming which 1) uses greenhouse gases 2) is only 65-75% efficient 3) gives off carbon monoxide as a by-product
Even then, it still stacks better than the enourmous waste of minerals to make EV batteries. Climate change is highly speculative science whilst the depletion of minerals like lithium for ev baterries is a huge concern. And it will be shortages left right and centre the coming years too. The EV shift will hit the wall of nature and physics...
@@larslover6559 "Enormous waste of minerals"? What do you think goes into an H2 car which Also has a battery - about 1/3 the size of an EV and electric motors And a platinum catylist in the fuel cell?
Please tell me what you know of the LFP battery and why common Iron and phosphate are an enormous waste compared to the metals used in the PHEV. Lithium is abundant found in sea water and many clays.
Tesla has an extraction method that uses agitation and salt water to free the lithium from these clays.
The Only reason this hasn't moved forward has alot to do with the 10 year wait on all the permits for a mine. That's an artificial US govt problem. The metal is in no way hard to find and now, easy to extract without using traditional brine extraction from dry lake beds.
The shortage is caused by beurocracy, not nature or physics.
The rare earth elements everyone talks about are used in the Motor. Not in the battery. Same on PHEV as EV.
There is No rare element used in LFP batteries.
None.
Tesla uses LFP and 4680 nickel based battery. The only constraint there: nickel.
@@avgjoe5969 H2 car can be made using same material found in ICE car, because it is not bottlenecked by the battery. Design difference in battery & motor configuration is possible by sacrificing energy-efficient part for a material-efficient part; ie: 1) permanent magnet is not necessary, 2) lithium-ion battery is not necessary. The motor can be a larger type of induction motor (like used in ICE car starter motor & alternator), the battery can be a lower capacity Lead-acid or NiMH (like used in Hybrid car). For the fuel-cell; the platinum used in 2nd Gen Mirai for example is optimised to the amount already found in existing diesel car's catalytic exhaust converter. For H2 car using these part won't effect the range because H2 storage has large kWh capacity, but it effect fuel economy, ie: cost of refuelling.
@@larslover6559according to Wikipedia, lithium is very abundant and can be found in seawater (0.25mg per kg) and even in the dirt (20mg per kg)
Unlike oil, lithium will only have to be mined once per battery vehicle, while oil is several tonnes per ICE vehicle over it’s lifetime
A decent charging station can be setup at home for about $1k vs $2m for a hydrogen station. Add solar to the home and your battery is charged for free
It actually gives off carbon dioxide. Even if the hydrogen was produced using renewables you would be able to get around twice the mileage per kwh with a standard BEV than with a hydrogen car. Every step in the chain from producing the hydrogen to the fuel cell producing electricity in the car has large losses.
The production quality was really good bro!
Lol, takes $5-7 to charge my LR model 3, overnight at home, for about the same range, no need to go around looking for fueling stations. When doing a trip, takes about 20minutes to go 0-80%, about 400km, at Tesla superchargers. Barely enough time to go use the washroom and grab a snack. Oh and they got superchargers all over US, and coast to coast Canada.
But thanks for the review, never seen a real world drive of the Mirai so far.
In certain areas there’s superchargers, in most areas it’s just regular chargers as of now unless you’re in a bigger city.
@@KDlGG at the moment Tesla got the higher speed superchargers along the main highways enough to drive from coast to coast, new ones are being built every week and in car navigation shows the status of the charger and availability. The in city superchargers are more for the convenience of those who can't charge at home and aren't always the fastest ones.
To charge you only plug in, no app or any other authentication necessary, payment goes from the credit card that's already on file when you buy the car.
Overall it's a pretty well thought off and stress free experience. It only took me 2 charges to get from Langley, BC to Canmore, AB. One in Kamloops, 2nd in Revelstoke. $8-10 each. And barely enough time each charge to go use the washroom and grab a snack for the road.
@@ConstantinSirbu in Washington, where I’m at, you’re fucked unless you live in a sliver of central Washington and by the coast, anywhere else you’re way out of range where it’s not even worth it, like I said in bigger cities you have no issues, but as of yet for the majority of people it’s just not worth jt
I mean, if there were more stations and the production of hydrogen were more efficient, it definitely has an advantage over solely electric vehicles.
agree, for now. but you know the nature of technology improves and the biggest drawback of electric vehicles is charge time mostly. but that can be improved with battery technology. however in 10-20-30 years who knows. Hydrogen falls off in efficiency and indirectness compared to pure ev's. In order to produce hydrogen they still require electricity, why go the long route when you can directly store that through a battery?
@@Unb0rnify Hello, I was reading your comments and I agree in the majority but had you thought about the cost of making the batteries needed for the electric cars, and for the hydrogen cars too. Booth use batteries to sore the energy but in comparison the hydrogen cars use a small battery because they produce and store only one part of it.
@@itsjortra291 thats an issue of production which as time goes on will be mostly resolved in my opinion. Tesla for instance claimed that in the future when most vehicles are out in the road are EV in 10-20-30 years they will be able to reuse batteries as recycleables. I believe the issues we see now are due to the fact that technology is still new and so is the means for production as well as the infrastructure. But time will resolve all things in my opinion
@@Unb0rnify Save we can't recycle Lithium at all, EVs are actually more harmful for the environment and require more energy input than traditional gas powered vehicles. Hydrogen is by far better, even with it's inefficiencies.
But you don't need battery to store Hydrogen gas. That's better than straght up electricity
Now this I like seems better than a straight ev this has a greater potential and zero emissions this is beautiful man this gives me hope for the future
I saw a hydrogen car a few days ago in downtown Vancouver and was wondering about it. Now this video pops up in my recommendations. Perfect timing
I love my prius and can't wait for these to be available in Australia! 👍 Thanks for another great video mate!
My pleasure!
Thanks for another great video, Mike. It fascinated me because I know little about such technology. Even standard electric cars are not very practical in my area (Southern NJ) because of the paucity of charging stations.
Yeah, and I think this makes a potentially good alternative for people who can't plug in their car overnight.
Then you won't be pleased to know that it is extremely unlikely you will get a hydrogen station near you for the next 20 years...I should hang out for electric...
Batteries as you said have range and refueling (recharging time) problems. Hydrogen is defiantly the way forward, it gives us the range of normal polluting cars without the pollution. At the moment supply is the problem but since LPG is similar to hydrogen storage it shouldn't take much to upgrade service stations
This is nice. Convinced me to support for Fuel Cell evs
I test drove an electric car last weekend, loved the car loathed the infrastructure and the complicated recharging. I used 4 different apps, one crashed and I needed customer support which took 30 minutes to connect. 7kw chargers are useless. Now THIS tech Mike, is really good. Fast refills, long range and clean emissions. This video was encouraging for alternative car power and again very well presented. Honest interview with Mike as well.
Wow, cool to hear your feedback. It really is potentially an alternative for electric cars, but they need to build more stations.
@@DownieLive these are very early days, but I just don't think it's going to happen soon. Things are changing, the UK has said that by 2030 electric cars need to be predominant, that's just 8 years away. After my experience with electric things must change before then. Hydrogen certainly seems a great idea from a green factor, but the consumer isn't making much of a saving compared to full electric. Then we have the issue over planes and ships fuel, all fossil fuels. Oil based burners are not going out in a hurry!!
Just pointing out a few things: Hydrogen is light, but the fuel tank aren't, and the fuel cell stack isn't light either. This Mirai is actually heavier than a Tesla Model 3, despite being of similar dimensions. As it stands right now, all the hydrogen you can buy is derived from fossil fuels. In Vancouver most electricity on the grid is hydroelectric (very low emission power source), but the pump hydrogen you buy was made by cracking natural gas and releasing CO2. Eventually the "idea" with hydrogen is to make "green" hydrogen with electrolysis, but right now that's cost-prohibitive.
There is a solution to all of that, well most of it. The fuel tank will always be heavy, it's compressed gas and that means solid steel tanks. But instead of deriving from fossil fuels, you build electrolysis factories and run them off of nuclear power plants which is the cleanest form of energy. After that, it's quite simple.
I don’t understand anything you said lol, I’m not a nerd sorry
@@precession6027 ok
@@usastrike5687 It is a simple process, but it's not very energy efficient, and that's kind of the problem. It's always the case that the nuclear energy used to make the hydrogen to fuel up FCEVs, would be able to charge 2-3 times as many battery electric cars, for the same amount of energy used in both cases. The underlying problem with producing hydrogen is that you need to change the state of the energy many times, each time you do it, you lose some of that energy content as heat at each step in the conversion process - batteries are much more energy efficient at doing this. A simple way to put this is: if we went either all Battery or all Hydrogen Fuell Cell tomorrow, going with hydrogen would require about 3 times as many new power plants to be constructed, vs the situation for battery vehicles. It's certainly possible, it just wouldn't be the best use of resources.
@@usastrike5687 fuel tank hydrogen is carbon fiber
Nicely presented, touched on good interest features!
Hey, well done and can you do a follow up on it? What has improved with the charging station, there is a new Mirai version out and as well in Europe, several Countries are preparing its economy to use more hydrogen. Especially The Netherlands, Germany, Spain, ....
No.
Video is so neat 🤓 the very first video I saw of yours was when you were showing your mom the cool features of Tesla
Oh yeah!!! That was a great video! My first video to hit 100K views. I guess my channel hasn't changed much 😂
Great technology that could well see off battery power. These cars look so good in dark colours.
Would be really good in Australia especially for rural areas if there are fuel stations
I love this video keep up the good work!
Another great and very educational video!
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Way better than just batteries, fast filling and more distance!!!
4:13 "tale care, bud" most Canadian moment of this video
There will be a Hydrogen Fuel plant opening in North Las Vegas this year in November. I am encouraged that we may have some stations throughout Nevada and that they will reduce their carbon footprint with time and that Toyota will continue to offer reliable vehicles with this fuel source. Thanks for your report.
The massive elephant in the room which no one talks about is the vast amount of manufactured goods people consume from clothes to settees also energy production itself they contribute far more to climate change the vehicles, the amount all vehicles contribute currently to climate change being less than 10% while ev's will help it's a tiny percentage of what needs to be done
@@HamguyBacon Mm I wouldn't say it's a lie it's a naturally occurring phenomenon the climate is in constant change albeit not caused by vehicles this ev stuff is pure hype
@@stevewalsh-balshaw1727 it is cAused by vehicles in part of course
@@jacobdaniels3246 I agree however if a person has an ice vehicle and only drives when warrented for such as long journeys holidays etc instead of commutes the carbon footprint is way less than the manufacture of a new ev for instance I cover less than 3k a year folk need to stop using their cars for school runs local runs etc then these ev's are not required the hype concerning vehicles is way over represented by government and the media they would be better served on discussion of the 90% caused by none vehicular carbon emissions electricity production, housing, clothes manufacturer, farming etc the list goes on however as always the motorists are an easy hit
Such a great review, thank you
I am waiting for it here in Denmark, along with more stations in the US. I am an American currently overseas. A lot a electric cars here, but they are not environmentally friendly since DK still burns a lot of coal.
Amazing how much tech has advanced :) Excited for the future :)
Same here
Funny,he showed a very old fashioned Mirai,the new one is much better.
Didn’t even know these were in Canada! Thanks for this 🙏🏼
No problem!!
@@DownieLive WE have the first hydrogen fuel station in Victoria close to us. The University (about 2 km away) is putting in another.
Great video
I'm a subscriber already
Hopefully we'll get FCEV & HICE too here in Malaysia
Prefer it more than BEV
Amazing,I love this thing,build it and they will buy it. Clean energy is the future. Thanks for the great video. Oh and thank you Mr. Toyota.
Hydrogen is OK if you have great amounts of surplus energy. The efficiency means they need three times as much energy to drive as EV's.
In a world doubling the power demand in the next decades, hydrogen is not a good solution for cars. But sure for ships and some other use cases, it will be very sensible.
As an owner of an eleven year old Prius, this intrigues me a lot. I would consider it if there were more filling stations near me.
"I dont care about the leather seats or the heated this or the features"
Sits in car "ooh fancy"
My Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor gets around 540km range, and the supercharger goes from 0% to 100% in 50 minutes meaning that if you don’t want to charge the car fully you can also just stay at the charger for 5 minutes and still get a decent amount of charge.
Thank you for doing a proper review!
Just spent a weekend in Squamish at your recommendation. It was glorious
Right?!! It's great!
You explain the hydrogen-electric process very well, Mike, just right for a short video. I liked the part where you talk with an actual Toyota owner at the station.
Cool, thanks. Yeah, that was a funny coincidence.
This was a useful video. Thank you.
2-3 hours to charge... He is so missed informed that's why he went with Hydrogen-electric instead of battery-electric. Our Tesla Model 3 charges to 80% in under 25 minutes at a Tesla Supercharger. And if we don't leave town, we would never have to wait for charging because we charge while we sleep and wakes up with a full battery.
But gas can charge in less than 5, and that’s what they’re all competing with.
@@melvinmcfly4498 the man says he wanted a car with more range and chose hydrogen, but there isn't enough hydrogen refilling stations for him to go out of town, which defeats his reasoning of picking hydrogen over electric. This has nothing to do with gas cars. He shoulda bought a Prius if he wanted more range and faster refilling.
@@archemity that is true, hydrogen still has almost no places to refuel so there isn’t much reason to use it.
@@melvinmcfly4498 And it cost more than gas, and is still a really dirty fuel and needs more power to be made too. Not to mention you can't have the stations inside city limits here at least, as we have seen in Norway they are prone to exploding.
@@melvinmcfly4498 But not for much longer, once ICE car makers begin the switch to electric...
I drive a Prius V and I love it. I'm on the lookout for my next vehicle and this one really appeals to me, I'll wait until there are more stations to fuel up at. I think Kelowna is getting one soon! Thanks for the great content, I really enjoy your videos!
I am glad to see..Vancouver is starting to get the hydrogen rolled out..it seems like ages since Ballard tested their fuel cell busses almost 20 years ago..
and think about the fact that Apollo used fuel cells to land on the Moon before 1970. Wasnt even born then and now it looks like something big new stuff.
Interesting. I have driven Toyota cars for years and love them; they work! I currently drive a CT200H. Hydrogen seems to be the way to go.
MY 4TH YEAR term report was on this that was over this topic at that time it was competitive with gas at 3bucks a gallon ! Its the best way to go !