Digital Devil Saga Part 20 - Lupa/Cerberus

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    The second "comrade" hunted... and someone finally comprehends.

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  • @frankieseward8667
    @frankieseward8667 2 місяці тому +13

    RIP Lupa. You were a man of honor to the end. At least he helped Gale comprehend. The character development is impressive.
    Can't wait to send Varin to his doom. Though i doubt it'll be just a mansion

  • @stfilo1948
    @stfilo1948 2 місяці тому +13

    That final line of Gale is absolutely incredible, also Lupa while he has a few lines in the game his legacy will defenetly carry on to all the duology from here and forever more

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      Steve Blum often plays VERY stoic characters, but when they go "not so stoic" it's amazing.

  • @B_A-tr
    @B_A-tr 2 місяці тому +10

    18:48 and there it is. And i must say, its great.
    Heat didnt suggest eating him this time around, unlike with jinanna. He is learning.
    I wished we could have seen more from lupa but i did still like him. Rest in peace.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      Oh wow, I didn't notice that about Heat but that's amazing!

  • @SomeAsian
    @SomeAsian 2 місяці тому +7

    I was not expecting DDS to be one of those sad stories where the dog dies.
    I mean, that one scene was better than most.

  • @ashyflame
    @ashyflame 2 місяці тому +6

    10:25 I am greek and it's the first time I ever heard that based on some info I found about it on Wikipedia Phlegethon translates to flaming and Pyriphlegethon translates to fire-flaming. Phlegethon is a river from greek mythology and its one out of five rivers of the underworld. The others are Cocytus,Styx, Lethe and Acheron. It was also described as a steam of fire that coils around in the earth and flows into the depths of Tartarus. Disclaimer this has a massive possibility of being wrong.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      Yeah those are the references, I'm just not great at pronouncing Ancient Greek.

  • @SteelPokeNinja
    @SteelPokeNinja 2 місяці тому +4

    I’ve been looking forward to Gale finally comprehending, I love how in some of the prior scenes his eyes were temporarily colored but only here did they fully turn.
    Japan update: Did not actually go to Akihabara yesterday, we decided we’d go when we come back to Tokyo towards the end of the trip. Currently in Yokohama and planning to visit the Cup Noodles factory

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      He was on the cusp a few times, but this was the tipping point. The last straw.

  • @TheJaredPunch
    @TheJaredPunch 2 місяці тому +14

    If Koromaru had a initial Persona, it’s probably Hellhound.

    • @shelbybayer200
      @shelbybayer200 2 місяці тому +5

      And it evolved into Cerberus (Pronounced: Kur~Bur~Us actually) during the day Akihiko finds him injured

    • @blizzardforonline1954
      @blizzardforonline1954 2 місяці тому +2

      You mean Houndoom, Jared?

    • @TheJaredPunch
      @TheJaredPunch 2 місяці тому +1

      @@blizzardforonline1954 very funny. If this was Pokémon, sure.

    • @deathcon6261
      @deathcon6261 2 місяці тому +2

      ⁠@@shelbybayer200I’d say it would evolve when Koromaru decided to leave the shrine to stay with SEES since they usually evolve when the character discovers something about themselves.

  • @rfmerrill
    @rfmerrill 2 місяці тому +6

    We got two different new takes on the three-headed Cerberus design back to back--Kaneko's in this game for Lupa's atma form, and Soejima's in Persona 3 for Koromaru's persona. They're both slender, short-furred kind of Doberman-looking but still quite distinct.
    Every other SMT and Persona game has something similar to the old lion-headed snake-tailed design (usually with one head, although Strange Journey and SMT4's versions have three heads). I wonder why they didn't continue with either of the new ones.

    • @matts5747
      @matts5747 2 місяці тому

      I have to wonder why they don't use the 3 headed white version more aside from tradition.

    • @rfmerrill
      @rfmerrill 2 місяці тому +2

      I typed Strange Journey but meant to type Soul Hackers, although it might also be used in SJ

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      I'd like to see more 3-headed Cerberus, too.

  • @thrasher698
    @thrasher698 2 місяці тому +6

    Full disclosure: this is my favorite version of Cerberus in all of Megaten. Also remember the heads = Press Turns thing he has going on here, it's going to be abused later with a certain pair of bosses.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +3

      LOL yep. And let's just say it's a lot more heads.

    • @HolyAlondite
      @HolyAlondite 2 місяці тому +2

      In terms of design, I'd say this is probably either my second or third favorite design for Cerberus. Imo, Koromaru's version probably has the perfect design. Soul Hackers is the other one that's either 2nd or 3rd, mainly because I haven't been able to see it in-game, only as the key-artwork. I guess, for me, the demonic design traits kinda hold a design like this back overall, even if it fits for the specific game it's in

  • @greenrangerfan1993
    @greenrangerfan1993 2 місяці тому +7

    18:49 Starscream finally appears. (Steve Blum voiced both him and Gale)

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      Wow, really? They're... pretty different, lol.

  • @michaelogara9056
    @michaelogara9056 2 місяці тому +1

    I really love how Gale got his emotions. It was really powerful. Seeing how the man who was emotionless for so long finally understood what everyone was going through, I really liked the scene.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      I know it's a common joke but it's true to say that he finally comprehends.

    • @michaelogara9056
      @michaelogara9056 2 місяці тому +1

      It may be a joke, but Gale's first line when he got his emotions definitely hit, he really did comprehend

  • @jenoyt1337
    @jenoyt1337 10 днів тому +1

    My man Gale took a while but, he finally comprehend

  • @Sean_Bird
    @Sean_Bird 2 місяці тому +8

    I’d make a “putting the dog down” joke here, but Lupa deserves more respect than that.
    4:21 Jack Frost Quizzes? I’m interested.
    Bosses with multiple heads you can target is something I’ve always kinda liked. Reminds me of Hewdraw in Kid Icarus: Uprising.
    18:48 That is a great line to start off Gale with emotion.
    23:32 I bet Bat ate it. Because he’s a jerk.

    • @TheJaredPunch
      @TheJaredPunch 2 місяці тому +2

      Former Dog owner or not, that’s not a joke even I would make…

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      Yes, he absolutely does.
      4:21 Hoo boy, looking forward to showing THOSE.
      18:48 Yep. Best "he's an actual character now" sales pitch ever.

  • @ikhwananimationsbeyondweeb4528
    @ikhwananimationsbeyondweeb4528 2 місяці тому +2

    18:46
    At long last, Gale finally comprehend

  • @rfmerrill
    @rfmerrill 2 місяці тому +4

    19:14 come now... some things need to be _felt_ rather than comprehended. :)

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      Ah yes, that amazing later conversation.

  • @ultimateshadow7522
    @ultimateshadow7522 2 місяці тому +2

    9:10 We need Koromaru to get him under control!
    17:04 I think this is why Lupa wasn't eating the people he killed while Cerberus took over--because if he did, Cerberus would lose control of their body like the Hulk in Ragnarok.
    17:41 I must admit, this makes me curious as to what sort of person Lupa's child is.
    18:47 Gale finally comprehends!
    19:17 They choose life.
    22:03 For some reason this building reminds me of Mystic Manor from Scooby Doo: Night of 100 Frights.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      9:10 If only. (Though Koromaru should never be subjected to the Junkyard)
      17:04 I like to think there's another reason too.
      19:17 A rarity among generic enemies. Props to their intelligence.

  • @firecraft7032
    @firecraft7032 2 місяці тому +4

    Gale finally accepts the changes that happens in him, and fully comprehends. Although I am curious what Lupa is referring to with Gale honor? Maybe loyalty?

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      We'll see a little more of this in the sequel, but it's still left vague. Some people ship Gale and Lupa but I think it's more that there's an ideological kinship between them. (Jinana and Argilla I will absolutely not deny though)

  • @psirockin2251
    @psirockin2251 2 місяці тому +2

    ...i do comprehend

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +2

      The ultimate catchphrase reversal.

  • @corpussakahagi2116
    @corpussakahagi2116 2 місяці тому +1

    Correction: Earth skills can instantly kill anyone inflicted with Petrification. Also, anyone inflicted with Petrification counts as being dead for the purposes of getting a Game Over.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      That's exactly what I said.

  • @TheJaredPunch
    @TheJaredPunch 2 місяці тому +1

    Gale is currently my favorite party member.
    19:54 Because Serph is a silent protagonist.

  • @jet_set8648
    @jet_set8648 2 місяці тому +1

    3:36 I love how the status cure items are called Dis-(status condition). Yeah, I got dis stone right here. I really need dis stun right now.
    8:58 This music goes so hard. Also, a few parts ago when you mentioned there was one other SMT game with three-headed Cerberus--would that be Persona 3? Koromaru's Cerberus is three-headed. Now that I think about it, it looks like a slimmed down version of Lupa's Atma form, minus the shark tail.
    14:27 This is a certified Magic Serph Moment™.
    18:47 And so, he finally comprehends.
    22:02 I think I just figured out why it's called Digital Devil Saga.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      3:36 And "Dis-Curse" sounds like discourse, and I only recently realized that.
      8:58 There's also Cerberus' Soul Hackers design, I think those 3 are the only 3-headed ones.
      22:02 Hmm...

  • @ThaPlaya1994
    @ThaPlaya1994 2 місяці тому +1

    13:45 ?! Wow. Imagine Serph mind charge.
    16:37 Ah man. I was hoping for Gale to finish him but it's cool.
    18:47 Ladies and gentlemen, Gale has COMPREHENDED. Another one of my favorite scenes. Great payoff and final line for him to finally awaken.
    19:07 Dang you made the same joke. 😂 Also this is one of my favorite songs in the game.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      13:45 We'll be seeing that one day, hoo boy.
      18:47 It's finally happened! But is the catchphrase dead? We shall see...

  • @jrhamari
    @jrhamari 2 місяці тому +3

    22:02 Oh god, Does this mean the Junkyard is made up of AI Generated images? Thats a scary thought. On a serious note I personally dont think AI generation is inheritly bad *IF* used properly. Like say using generated images to give a rough idea of what something looks like. Or AI voices to give an idea how you want a character to sound before hiring voice actors. An example ofvthe latter being a fan video this one guy made of a Scooby-Doo and FNAF crossover (Yes this is an actual video) which initally used AI voices for some of the characters because the creator didnt have the money to hire VAs, But did promise to upload a new version of the video once he was able to get voice actors for it, which he did do. Its only a real issue when companies get the "bright" idea to outright replace talent with AI.
    TLDR AI art isnt inheritly bad as long as you use it to help with creation instead of full on replacing real work. Or silly memes because tbh, you can get a lot of silly things out of AI.
    Also ughhhh chests that mock you by being out of reach or in cutscenes. A KH fans worst nightmare.
    EDIT: The one issue that I do agree with actually is the fact that AI generation is trained on other peoples work. My point about AI being used for silly reasons though still stands personally because to me, As long as its not being monitized, Its fine. Besides that I fully get why people dont want their work used in such a way.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah the main ethical issue with AI is being trained on other people's work and therefore essentially being plagiarism.

  • @Vegeta241
    @Vegeta241 2 місяці тому

    6:22 Not true, the worst time to get a stomachache is right before you have to go to work. Because then you are stranded in the bathroom and have to tell work you’ll be late. Has happened to me. Wouldn’t recommend it.
    It’s a shame Lupa had to go. He had very little screentime, but I feel like he made a pretty good impact, especially concerning Gale’s growth.

  • @Cyberspace318
    @Cyberspace318 2 місяці тому +2

    0:54 I think I can see what you're getting at.
    1:05 Oww, that must have hurt.
    3:01 That's definitely going to make Cocytus way stronger!
    4:01 Wait, why Force? What's the logic behind that?
    6:04 Yay, nightmare fuel!
    9:37 Looks like we'll have to put him down.
    13:45 Now that's a lot of damage!
    14:22 magic op plz nerf
    18:07 Rest in peace, Lupa. You weren't around for long, but you were still really cool.
    18:47 Finally. Now everyone has awakened to their emotions.
    20:05 Yeah, but it's Gale, so I think we can let that one slide.
    20:55 Huh, I guess I can see it.
    21:40 You misread that, it's Ajna, not Anja.

  • @blazethegamerreacts1543
    @blazethegamerreacts1543 2 місяці тому +2

    ah taunting Chests got to love when games do this and it is sometimes very taunting and annoying sometimes to find your way to it

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      Still has nightmares about that Beast's Castle chest that a CUTSCENE taunts you with and them immediately boots you out of the world.

  • @absoul112
    @absoul112 2 місяці тому +3

    Honestly I'm inclined to agree with you that Gale's awakening would've hit harder if it was Serph. If nothing else, I'm questioning what the point of Serph is.

    • @corpussakahagi2116
      @corpussakahagi2116 2 місяці тому +1

      I think that Serph having the hair and eye colors that he has in this game is really good and showcases a major plot point for Digital Devil Saga 2.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      Serph's point unfortunately doesn't become clear until late DDS2, but let's just say it's a big point.

    • @absoul112
      @absoul112 2 місяці тому

      Well consider me for interested in where this story is going.

  • @matts5747
    @matts5747 2 місяці тому +2

    4:29
    Cloest thing I can think of that does something like that is the Striaton City Gym in Pokémon whete the Grass, Fire, Water type triangle is incorporated into the puzzle.
    5:59
    "The water is made of dead people"- BigKlingy No Context
    14:22
    That does make me question what the situation is with one head going to 3. Is Lupa's brain being split into 3 or is this a Hydreigon situation where the other heads are just mindless
    18:49
    It was at this moment, Gale knew, he finally comprehended!
    20:10
    So thats the reason. I was thinking Lupa already had promised for the Embryon to have his head, and thus wanted to fight the devouring with whatever he had left.
    24:27
    Gale is more logical, so it makes sense that he would put things together when its more definable. At least thats what makes sense to me

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      4:29 I LOVE that as a first Gym. BW is goated.
      14:22 Possibly the second? But then again, you'd ask this of any multi-headed creature where the heads don't have separate personalities.
      24:27 True.

    • @matts5747
      @matts5747 2 місяці тому

      @@BigKlingy
      4:29
      I enjoy that element of gym 1 in BW as well.
      Honestly despite the fact I perfer the Legends Arceus style of open world (i.e you go to areas in order but your free to explore said areas), I have to wonder why they didn't let you challenge the first 3 gyms in SWSH as they are Grass, Water, and Fire respectively.
      I'd also say Akala Island's trials as well, but one could make the counter argument that it's on the second Island and thus you'd already know type match ups.
      Also something kinda funny I realized.
      If Ash fought only one of the Striaton City Gym Leaders, it would be Cilan, not just because of Oshawott being his first Unova starter, but because Grass would resist Pikachu's electric attacks.

  • @EmperorSephirothII
    @EmperorSephirothII 2 місяці тому +2

    Right, so Soylent Green and the DDS Junkyard water are the same thing. Why am I not surprised? Oh well, at least I have enough time before my next meal to regain my appetite.

  • @jaredfayette2567
    @jaredfayette2567 2 місяці тому +1

    0:55- Yeah, the game does a good job setting the tone of this place through the color choice very well. Without it, this place would be a lot more boring.
    1:24- You know, something just occurred to me. I'm kind of surprised this game doesn't get more graphic considering how brutal Nocturne could get at times. It wasn't afraid to show blood, some occasionally gruesome deaths, and *that* moment when a certain Reason Rep gets their power. You'd think this game would have gone a bit more gory and gruesome if they were fine showing that stuff in Nocturne.
    9:03- Yeah, he sadly went berserk.
    9:04- At least the music here is good.
    9:12- Oh, that's a pretty cool fire effect and the lighting it causes.
    9:37- Ah, so that's why the song can't be used as an out. Sounds like it has to be done pretty much near the start of when someone goes berserk or they're screwed.
    18:08- Goodbye Lupa...
    18:46- And thus Gale finally accepted his emotions after seemingly not awakening to them earlier.
    In other news, a busy day for me. It did meant I didn't get to grind as much on the final day of the Semester-Edison Festival in MD (only at 79/100, but I'm confidant I'll max it, even if I waste time for Vengeance). At the very least, I got to enjoy some matches with the final deck I wanted to mess with, Quickdraw Dandy. Didn't get many wins, even my last match was a lost, but I still find it a fun deck even if I now hate facing it. But yeah, that event was fun for the little it lasted. Next few days will be back to the normal boring and miserable grind, but at least I had a break. Once it's done though, I go back to Vengeance without being impeded.

    • @BerserkerRohan
      @BerserkerRohan 2 місяці тому +1

      The atmosphere is quite well done here.
      I am surprised they didn't show more pools of blood later in this dungeon.
      It looks like this is what they were saving his demon form for.
      He will be missed just because he wasn't trying to kill us until he went berserk.
      Let's see what he is capable of now he can comprehend things.
      At least you had some fun with that event even if it ended on a downer. I wish you the best with the grind as well and hopefully can continue to have fun once you are back with Vengeance.
      As for myself, I did find the time for GT4 where I am still training the B spec driver and it seems like I am almost at the half point of getting them to the target skill level.
      For the Three Houses Randomizer, we prepared for the Holy Tomb by recruiting some characters and that meant two paralogues that were one turns but we did get Thyrsus. For the Holy Tomb itself, Lambert came in to disrupt things by stealing the crest stones alongside Hubert who is replacing Metodey. This map wasn't too bad but then Dimitri lost it when it was revealed Lambert was really Maiden, the leader of the Black Eagles house so she retreats and starts a war. My brother also did his preparations for the next map which included getting Tomas who not only has Twin Crests but really strong base stats and proficiencies so we are probably going to mess around and put him in some kind of sub par class for more fun. My brother also did a preview for the next map showing that Maiden is teaming up with Seteth who is replacing Ladislava and Duke Aegir who is replacing Randolph with Yuri on the left side, replacing Hubert and then the Death Claude on the right side.

    • @jaredfayette2567
      @jaredfayette2567 2 місяці тому +1

      @@BerserkerRohan Once again, they nailed the feeling for this place.
      They did as I realize you see Lupa's blood drip into the water way after the fight, but given some of the more brutal descriptions on some Brutes' bodies, like you said, you'd think there would be more.
      Not even just that, but he showed a great deal of care for his men and wanted the best for them and the only tribe he could trust with them. His honor shone through to all and we'll miss him dearly because of it.
      We shall see indeed.
      All good. But yeah, going to miss that event. Probably going to resume the grinding tomorrow and have it done within the next few days before the 2nd.
      Good to hear you're already half way done training up the B Spec Driver.
      And also good to hear your brother's run go well. But words can not describe how much hilarious is that Hubert, one of FE's most infamous "Why won't you die already?!" characters has now become/replaced some random prick of a boss who dies for good without much fanfare. Wait, did a generic really take the place of a frikin of a main villain? Forget Nemesis's achievement of a bandit in a FE game being a major villain, we have frikin Maiden showing that generics can even be the big bad. That's amazing. Although probably traumatizing for Dimitri thinking his dad was actually alive for whatever reason, only then to find out some random lady has been impersonating him for her own goals. No wonder why he still goes berserk on this randomizer. And there's the second gamebreaker coming in with Tomas. A bit sad seeing Seteth be an enemy this run like with Hanneman. Also Yuri is about to take up Hubert's job which just conveniently became a vacancy last chapter; Wonder why. lol

    • @BerserkerRohan
      @BerserkerRohan 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jaredfayette2567 It is a really cool dungeon.
      They weren't afraid to show that stuff with Lupa but I guess for those random people, that might have been too much.
      Hopefully we can avenge him by taking down Varin.
      Best of luck with your grinding.
      Hubert got a big downgrade this time around. Instead it is going to be the Death Claude and Yuri being annoying in that regard.
      Let's just say, Maiden is a character who does something on Gronder Field in Azure Moon in the regular game but it is funny that Edelgard gets replaced by a complete nobody in the grand scheme of things.
      We will see if Tomas gets used since we did play a little earlier and Gilbert's replacement also seems solid.
      Seteth is a great character normally so too bad he won't be doing much in this run.

  • @DiegoG2004
    @DiegoG2004 2 місяці тому

    Do not the dog. Though i guess we have no other choice.
    0:57 Won't get Death yet, have to wait half a month of P3 for that.
    3:22 Hey that didn't count as a weakness hit, yippee.
    5:37 Megidolaon jumpscare!
    9:01 And among the darkness comes the walking boss fight...
    11:08 Darn it soft weaknesses, you return...
    13:44 That's a lot of damage!
    19:47 *finally* Gale learns Personality.
    21:38 Ajna, not Anja. Unless we're reading backwards now.

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому +1

      0:57 We're ALMOST there though.
      5:37 Except not lol.
      11:08 Yeah they're weird. Soft resistances too. Both don't show up until fairly late into this game but they're common from now on.
      13:44 Serph does this much without even Mind Charging...

  • @AlizardJaeF
    @AlizardJaeF 2 місяці тому

    19:49 Sooo... did they devour him or not? I mean, it was part of his dying wish...
    22:10 Oh that would be really interesting, if at some point the game transitioned into using footage from real life, using actors or something. When this was published it could probably only be for a cutscene or something, but can you imagine?

    • @BigKlingy
      @BigKlingy  2 місяці тому

      22:10 Given the way this game's plot goes, it could've benefited from that.

  • @andresalasthemessenger
    @andresalasthemessenger 2 місяці тому

    Comma Terminal? Oh the door.
    (Brutes ouch.. Sequel? I see..) That's much there.
    Door leads? Nothing. Right. Back to back.
    Blue Wall.. Beyond of it.. Long way down.. Oh chest. Nice.
    Yellow Wall.. yep. climb down of things.. Indeed tedious. & chest. Same yep. At least for good of selling for Maccas.
    Mantras to spend at the Termial. Good.
    Hmm.. The boss.. skills to managed for the party before attempting there.
    They got here now.. ??.. Wait- Lupa- ... Mm.. Just like.... No choice but to fight..
    In this fight, heads? oh right from earlier given Lupa er.. this thing has.. some takes heavily or lightly.. Still, watch out from it to be dangerous..
    &.. it's down. Hopefully it calms it down..
    ... Sera.. Hm? ... Lupa.. 😔 (Now I'm in tears.. Another ally to fall..) ... Gale.... He is feeling emotional.. (He finally comprehends..)
    Former Brutes.. Seems they finally knew the truth from their leader.. Yeah.. Varin lost his touch of his subordinates. Good thing some of them decided things for themselves or sided with Serph's.. (What's Varin comes the way of things..)
    Vendor.. Big amounts of Maccas.
    So far, Varin is the last one of the Tribe Leaders of the Brutes Faction.. I see..
    Ajna.. Makes sense. Fitting for Varin.
    Tedious.. but yeet to edit.
    Gale.. Yeah.. Argilla.. I can tell as well to feel of it.
    ??.. Ajna.. I see.. can be optional but yeah..
    Ah.. Varin.. So.. full of himself not to be called humanly.. No surprised.. (edit to end. Yep.)