End of The Line? Why Saudi Arabia's Linear City Isn't Working
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- The Line was supposed to be Saudi Arabia's shining new eco-city concept. Over 100 miles of tech-powered living on a green energy base.
But now its ambitions have been radically curtailed. And questions have arisen over the engineering at its core, including the transport system, distance between residence, as well as the massively underestimated scale of the project and build time.
Can The Line survive and grow - or is it little more than an expensive 21st century folly?
00:00 Intro
00:45 How the line differs from traditional cities
01:20 Mohammed bin Salman and Investment for the Line Project
02:00 What is the Line
04:16 What's going wrong with the line
06:13 Problems with the engineering and design
06:40 The distance between two people
08:35 Reimagine the Line as the Circle
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with continuous 1G acceleration / 1G negative acceleration between 82 stops, and an optimistically short 15 seconds motionless per stop, it should take 2.4 hours to traverse the full 170km line.
There are much, much faster accelerations involved in the actual thing they are building there, but the total distance they have to travel is only ten inches or so. Can you imagine what I am talking about? ;-)
My first reaction was "SURELY they must mean a two-tiered rail - a fast long distance one that stops rarely and a local one that stops every 1-2 km or so...!" I mean even elevators in really tall buildings work like that...! Guess not...
All i see is a giant prison
The line will revolutionize making any two parts of the city as far apart as possible!
How are we going to get to our sci-fi dystopian future without building things like this?
I’d love to see the floorplans and elevations for this project along with all the plumbing and electrical plans and air-conditioning and saltwater desalinization
This is what happens when those greedy investors trust incompetent people which just happens to have a ton of money & absolute power over a country.
On the plus side, they could turn it into an abandoned site for those weirdos who like to explore abandoned places
When your concept cannot survive napkin math, it's doomed.
Well, "doom" is pretty close to what is really going on there. ;-)
A high class version of 20 minute cities - it won't take off except for a tourist destination
Thing is, the video mentions the potential fudge factor of turning it into a circle(which sounds like the dumbest idea as that is already basically just a city - except with a wall!) But surely ditching the full circle potential fudge factor, and instead combining that with the line idea itself so that you have tram lines built atop eachother in the hollow middle -best of both worlds!
That way there is a better organisation of the projected 86 stations required 🤔
More people packed, closely tight together means higher chance and risk of spreading diseases.
that is a negligent downside in this day and age
So ... Cities?
About the trains: A possible solution is to make small autonomously driven capsules. Scenario: You enter a station, take a capsule (4 to 6 peoples max let say, in a capsule) which departs each minute or so once there is one passenger aboard. Assign the few destinations, and have the capsule taking the express way (like the bus ... of a computer) and drop the passenger(s) exactly where they are expected. No need to stop to each and every intermediate stations. Note that getting in or out a station is in a "parallel" path to the "bus" and thus, does not "jam" the high speed capsules on the said buss. Add yes, there is no need to visit each intermediate station to "take waiting passengers", these passengers in waiting ... just take their own capsule, as they walk in the station. And voila, high speed trains, or capsules, not needing a driver per capsule since they are autonomously driven with the appropriate electronic.
Great video.
How gullible are these people to believe this sales pitch? When they said the travel time was 20 minutes, my very first thought was what about all the stops? You don’t need to be a rocket scientist, you just need to have common sense.
OK, so you have figured out that this can't possibly work. So now, why don't you use your common sense to establish what this is really about? It's not that hard.
I remember when the Fyre festival came out and a shit load of advertisement blitz came out on facebook and social media. This was before it all went tits up but the advertisement with the models and the footage was amazing and grabbed your attention. Ultimately it came to nothing. I feel that this project in Saudi is going the same way but with money and funds Fyre only wish they had. The amount of steel needed to create even the scaled down version will keep a lot of steel mills in peak production for several years on that one project alone. Forget about any other construction or back orders around the world. The amount of floor space taken up by the elevators alone will be utterly impractical. Even those two challenges feels like this will ultimately not get built. Good luck if they can but they've bit of more then can chew on this project.
I shall keep my eyes on the line.
It's now a .
At this point, it's easier to live on a moving train
😂😂and we know what happened on Snowpiercer
Don't give them ideas
I thought they said they proposed 9 million people.
Why didn't they make it modular. Build 100m long blocks at a time
That is undoubtedly what will happen. They'll probably make the first one gloriously luxurious to attract people at a low price, then progressively less value for the money as time goes on. Bait and switch. Oldest sales tactic ever.
I dont think The Saudi prince is a engineer or a construction developer soooo... ya good luck bro lol
No, but he is head of state. What functions does a head of state have? Think! :-)
Who would or could live in such an environment? Ahh, someone from Portland or Seattle. Not that personal space would be a problem and what if you wanted out? SOL
the issue is multifaceted, but it seems at the core it's simply a pipedream meets reality.
I like the concept but for a revolutionary city to really work, you need more civil engineers than fantastical architects, and this is what happens when you don't do that.
A futuristic city would be like the concept of if you could remodel New York city from scratch, to optimize everything into the most harmoniously functional city, rectifying all its many mistakes and short comings over the many decades, fixing all its infrastructural flaws, all those faults that are too expensive to fix so they find workaround methods instead of permanent solutions, or cheaper options because they couldn't afford the better ones... so if you could hypothetically redo it all, and had an infinite money glitch to make it better than what it is, what would it be, what would it look like, what kind of metropolis would it become? well that's what a futuristic city ought to be.
That, is not what's the line, the line is an impractical fantasy built on dreams and too much money blinding the rich from the practical... and now they're realizing how foolish it was.
It's like a hive city from 40K or LA in Blade runner. I would absaloutley love one to be built but it's a fantasy meeting reality of such a project. Can't see this really getting built.
@@jameslyddall exactly
OK, so if this is NOT a city, then what do you think they are building there at the cost of tens of billions of dollars? Can you imagine a possible cause? :-)
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fear scare afraid panic fright creepy
Nimrod Syndrome. Human being trying to pack and cement people in one place….
So we won, aliens won't come here for adaptive period??? No man would ever like to live in a city like this. All I can think about it is build in a place difficult to reach, with huge mirror fences and few exits, one to the abyss. It is a safe place for unnoticed incognito arrival and adaptation of extraterrestrial humanoids, I guess. The upper space opening maybe probably well controlled for climatic, light and pressure, humidity adjustments, so they would have time to get used to Earths climate. Weird. My guesses. What do You think?
It's not working because it';s a stupid techbro fantasy project.
MBS's plans for THE LINE, KHASHOGGI and YEMEN have one thing in common; they all resulted in victims and they were all a major bust.
Greenwashing. Sustainable concepts used in an unsustainable way that does not consider its enviro impact.
Sustainable development has 3 fundamental principles
- enviro sensitivity
- economic soundness
- social justice
So far this project is failing on all 3 principles!
lol, social justice, talk to people in gaza
lol
it's such a stupid idea. it was always about getting attention and nothing more.
Yes, they want to get attention here so people don't look at what they are doing over there. It's a deception. ;-)
All the calculations for the figures in the brochure must have been done on the back of a beer mat 🎉
Dude, you are just not intelligent enough to understand what is actually going on. The Saudi government is simply laundering tens of billions of dollars through a Potemkin village. The only interesting question hers is what the money is actually being used for. Can you guess? :-)
Arabs are the best and brightest of all minds. Everybody scams them 😂
people has no creativy and engineering skill talk about engineering.
The Lie
Why do we need to live in a line leaving the vast God created beautiful world?
I guess because of desert they are building this.
How are the fake island projects doing? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Isn't that a Dubai thing?
@@Youraveragebag same thinking.
It’s going well actually, there’re few islands to be finished soon, like Sindala Island and they look impressive. Also sea side project Red Sea resort is almost done and looking really good. Some of those projects make a sense, but some like The Line are just massive waste of money.🙋🏼♂️
@@skywalker19761976 I like how you're acknowledging there actually good ones. Why don't any people talk about the good projects online? Cuz it doesn't warrant making fun of Saudi.
what a cool grift.
I hope it fails, the insanity project of building the worlds biggest jail...
It's not a jail. They are laundering money by pretending to build a giant project in the desert. The interesting question is where this money is going. Can you guess?
Mathematically...This project is stupid and lack of caveman logic
This video id Paid propaganda.
They'll get it done. Then everyone will make vids showing the line.
Trust me.
Unlikely.
@@klavier143 Likely
@@starby1243yeah if china decided to join, i think they're not stupid and know what they're doing
You would think you would start with a smaller scale to see if would work.
Because they are laundering tens of billions of dollars through the site, right now. It has to look grand to make that operation believable.
JUST FOR SAUDIS. 😅