If you dont have tools for the spring an easy solution is to stick coins between each coil to extend the spring. Once the spring is on just put the kickstand down and the pennies quarters or whatever will fall out on their own. I just put an appropriate size washer over the worn down area and put 4 tiny tack welds on it. Been 3 yrs and still holding up
Thanks so much for this informative video. I had just pulled out of my driveway on my 2003 Vulcan 1600 and as I went around a curve I heard a jangling noise and I looked down and saw my stand kinda floppin' around... then my engine died. I secured it with a bungie strap and turned around and went to lookin', and I saw my spring there in the gutter... luckily. I don't have a welder but I will buy a bench vise tomorrow and a grinder attachment for my drill to grind down the frame and add a stainless washer for the play. Quite a project at 67 yo but as long as I can get down there and back up under my own power, I will keep on mechanicin'. Thanks again for such a good video - showed me just how to do what I need to do!
Thanks for the inspiration, my kickstand springs were on the ground while far away from home. Thankfully, another rider had a eight inch piece of string to act as a safety after reinstalling the springs. I will build up the worn frame mount much like you did, I may even weld the hole shut and drill a hole to match a new bolt. I want to add two thin shim washers to prevent the wear.
Thanks for the video. It saved my day, got home yesterday and the spring fell of when parking at home. Thanks to your video my Kawasaki 1600 Classic is back on the road again.
I live in northern Maine and ride my 07 Vulcan custom all year long. Snow rain ice, it's never left me on the side of the road unless I put it there. I'll start posting videos of winter in Maine rides if you wanna show them on your channel. I'm not a great camera man but I'll try my best.
The Vulcan is a great bike. I appreciate the offer to host your videos, but I no longer post videos. It is just a ton of effort to edit. Take care and keep the rubber side down.
May I suggest your viewers make sure they put grease in and around that area before installing your kickstand this will keep it from wearing out the metal portion of the frame hole.
Exactly what happened to my 2002 Nomad yesterday. Forty miles from home with a passenger and the freakin' spring fell off. I managed to get the spring back on and held in place with cable ties where it hooks over the posts, got home without any issues. The Nomad has 75k miles, meanwhile, my 2001 Vulcan Classic with 105k miles has no slop in the kickstand assembly, go figure. I'll get a closer look at the Mad's kickstand today and go from there. Edit: Well, I done it. Removed the kickstand assembly and found the exact issue as Muddy Fences. The bolt was worn, the hole through the flange a bit wider and out of shape plus the frame flange was worn. The tangs on the kickstand were also worn on their inside surfaces that rubs against the flange. I considered installing a shim rather than building up the flange with beads from the welder as suggested by a couple of posters below. The problem with that was my grinder did not fit under the floorboard so I eliminated that procedure. I could have welded beads but I would had to get my truck out of the back yard shop and bring the bike where my welders are located. I have four welders back there, I don't have any in the house's garage where my bikes are parked. So, the decision was made to add beads to the kickstand's inner tangs and grind them smooth. I fired up my Lincoln Pro Mig 180 and deposited metal on the tang's inner surfaces. It was easy to grind those areas smooth. The first fitment was still a little tight so I filed them until they fit over the flange. I reassembled the entire kickstand and cycled it a few times by hand. Everything seemed to be OK so I installed the spring. I did not have the proper tool to get the spring hook over the stud and I was not able to stretch it over the stud so I removed one spring (OEM spring is a dual). As one chap posted below, I stretched the spring in a vise and stuffed a 1/4" bolt between loops then was able to stretch it over the stud. The bolt came out easily when the kickstand was down stretching the spring. The kickstand seems to work OK, it has a little slop but not excessive. I'm OK with my repair, the spring will not come off when the kickstand is up. My other bike's kickstand (2001 Vulcan Classic), is rock solid. Absolutely zero slop. How could that be you ask? Many of those 105k miles were piled on as I commuted with the Vulcan when I was still working. Much less kickstand up and down as compared to my riding these days in my retirement (age 76) with the Nomad, therefore less wear. I know this is a long post but there might be someone out there who wants a confirmation of the original poster's video. Forgot to mention, I did not remove the kill switch to get the bolt's safety nut off. I simply bent it out of the way. In fact, the bolt unwound without securing the safety nut with a wrench or socket. The bolt was threaded into and through the kickstand's rear tang exposing about 1/4" onto which the safety nut was attached. While unwinding the bolt, the safety nut just stayed in place and eventually fell off.
The reason the switch bolt stripped is because it isn’t a Phillips; it’s a JIS…you used the wrong tool. The JIS is just different enough from Phillips to cause it to strip.
Just found out today that the PO of my bike put some wire to hold the kickstand safety fork to the kickstand. I didn't realize what the wire was and got rid of it. When i put the kickstand up and let off the clutch, it killed it. I need to find just the fork for it, or i guess just replace the whole switch itself.
@13:30 the new kickstand does have a play when new, obviously not the kind of play you show at the beginning of the video.. also for someone without welding capabilities, just grinding the bracket level (@5:00) and then using a stainless washer (for stronger metal) would work. great fix and video, as always :}
That is not a bad idea as an alternative. Thanks for the input. I always say there is more than one way to skin a cat (not a domestic cat, of course haha).
@@ricardomeira5561 Oh that sucks my man. I had to re-do this same repair again this year. I think next time i will need a new kick stand and bolt. We do what we can to keep riding.
I owe you an apology Chris. I thought "jis" was a misspelling of "just" so I blew your comment off. There is such a thing, even though I will likely continue to refer to them as philips, due to habit. Take care.
@@muddyfences5559 Good video and greatly appreciated, however, Chris is absolutely correct - they are called JIS screws. JIS stands for Japanese Industrial Standard - they make a JIS screw driver (It looks pretty much just like a Phillips) but it is slightly different and is made specifically for JIS screws and fits much more snugly and there is less chance of stripping out the screw head. JIS screws typically have a small dot stamped on them. JIS drivers are available on Amazon (and I am sure other websites) and are an invaluable tool to have when you have to work on Japanese machines. Buy one and you will see the difference, I have them and they work great!
@@ScottMiller-tu3gg That is interesting. That would explain why the fit is not always as solid as I would prefer. I will likely continue to call them philips screws out of habit though. Take care Scott and thanks for the info.
@@muddyfences5559 You are certainly welcome! I have been a professional mechanic for over 38 years and I just found out about the JIS drivers myself! I have had the Vessel brand for around 2 years so far and they are holding up well! Thanks again for the video - I just got done doing my kickstand and it works great now!
@@muddyfences5559 i will, even if u added it to what u have will also prevent it from scratching the metal and you can just periodically replace the washers ya know. Id add some grease so they move easily because they will be tight at first but will indent enough where there is "hot spots" (helmet gibberish) n basically break in. When i get back to the store soon i will legit get u a part number n store.
If you dont have tools for the spring an easy solution is to stick coins between each coil to extend the spring. Once the spring is on just put the kickstand down and the pennies quarters or whatever will fall out on their own. I just put an appropriate size washer over the worn down area and put 4 tiny tack welds on it. Been 3 yrs and still holding up
Both are great tips.
Hey1 The coin idea worked.... Just tried it. Thanks
Thanks so much for this informative video. I had just pulled out of my driveway on my 2003 Vulcan 1600 and as I went around a curve I heard a jangling noise and I looked down and saw my stand kinda floppin' around... then my engine died. I secured it with a bungie strap and turned around and went to lookin', and I saw my spring there in the gutter... luckily.
I don't have a welder but I will buy a bench vise tomorrow and a grinder attachment for my drill to grind down the frame and add a stainless washer for the play. Quite a project at 67 yo but as long as I can get down there and back up under my own power, I will keep on mechanicin'. Thanks again for such a good video - showed me just how to do what I need to do!
I'll bet there ain't anything you can't do. Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for the inspiration, my kickstand springs were on the ground while far away from home. Thankfully, another rider had a eight inch piece of string to act as a safety after reinstalling the springs. I will build up the worn frame mount much like you did, I may even weld the hole shut and drill a hole to match a new bolt. I want to add two thin shim washers to prevent the wear.
Great video. Pro tip: never use a 'Phillips' head screwdriver on Japanese motorcycle fasteners. Use JIS only.
Thanks a lot for a great video. My kick stand switch wouldn’t let me start because of this. This will save me a lot of head scratching.
Thanks for the video. It saved my day, got home yesterday and the spring fell of when parking at home. Thanks to your video my Kawasaki 1600 Classic is back on the road again.
That is the best news I've heard all day. Ride safe.
good job! more technical vids, we need all the help we can!
Thank you. I really appreciate the feedback. Take care.
Glad to know this is a common issue on these bikes. My kick stand likes to play drag foot on left corners
I live in northern Maine and ride my 07 Vulcan custom all year long. Snow rain ice, it's never left me on the side of the road unless I put it there. I'll start posting videos of winter in Maine rides if you wanna show them on your channel. I'm not a great camera man but I'll try my best.
The Vulcan is a great bike. I appreciate the offer to host your videos, but I no longer post videos. It is just a ton of effort to edit. Take care and keep the rubber side down.
May I suggest your viewers make sure they put grease in and around that area before installing your kickstand this will keep it from wearing out the metal portion of the frame hole.
Exactly what happened to my 2002 Nomad yesterday. Forty miles from home with a passenger and the freakin' spring fell off. I managed to get the spring back on and held in place with cable ties where it hooks over the posts, got home without any issues. The Nomad has 75k miles, meanwhile, my 2001 Vulcan Classic with 105k miles has no slop in the kickstand assembly, go figure. I'll get a closer look at the Mad's kickstand today and go from there.
Edit: Well, I done it. Removed the kickstand assembly and found the exact issue as Muddy Fences. The bolt was worn, the hole through the flange a bit wider and out of shape plus the frame flange was worn. The tangs on the kickstand were also worn on their inside surfaces that rubs against the flange. I considered installing a shim rather than building up the flange with beads from the welder as suggested by a couple of posters below. The problem with that was my grinder did not fit under the floorboard so I eliminated that procedure. I could have welded beads but I would had to get my truck out of the back yard shop and bring the bike where my welders are located. I have four welders back there, I don't have any in the house's garage where my bikes are parked. So, the decision was made to add beads to the kickstand's inner tangs and grind them smooth. I fired up my Lincoln Pro Mig 180 and deposited metal on the tang's inner surfaces. It was easy to grind those areas smooth. The first fitment was still a little tight so I filed them until they fit over the flange. I reassembled the entire kickstand and cycled it a few times by hand. Everything seemed to be OK so I installed the spring. I did not have the proper tool to get the spring hook over the stud and I was not able to stretch it over the stud so I removed one spring (OEM spring is a dual). As one chap posted below, I stretched the spring in a vise and stuffed a 1/4" bolt between loops then was able to stretch it over the stud. The bolt came out easily when the kickstand was down stretching the spring.
The kickstand seems to work OK, it has a little slop but not excessive. I'm OK with my repair, the spring will not come off when the kickstand is up. My other bike's kickstand (2001 Vulcan Classic), is rock solid. Absolutely zero slop. How could that be you ask? Many of those 105k miles were piled on as I commuted with the Vulcan when I was still working. Much less kickstand up and down as compared to my riding these days in my retirement (age 76) with the Nomad, therefore less wear.
I know this is a long post but there might be someone out there who wants a confirmation of the original poster's video.
Forgot to mention, I did not remove the kill switch to get the bolt's safety nut off. I simply bent it out of the way. In fact, the bolt unwound without securing the safety nut with a wrench or socket. The bolt was threaded into and through the kickstand's rear tang exposing about 1/4" onto which the safety nut was attached. While unwinding the bolt, the safety nut just stayed in place and eventually fell off.
I just want to say thank you. Watching this video helped me a lot
I'm glad to hear that. Take care.
Exactly what I needed to see. Thanks for filming your work bud.
Thank you Joseph. It's sad to think I'm not the only one with this problem. Take care.
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Great video, very helpful and informative. facing same issue that I need to tear into. Thanks
Looking at buying 1600 with bad kickstand. I wonder if using a washer as a shim would work in place of welding.
The reason the switch bolt stripped is because it isn’t a Phillips; it’s a JIS…you used the wrong tool. The JIS is just different enough from Phillips to cause it to strip.
Just found out today that the PO of my bike put some wire to hold the kickstand safety fork to the kickstand. I didn't realize what the wire was and got rid of it. When i put the kickstand up and let off the clutch, it killed it. I need to find just the fork for it, or i guess just replace the whole switch itself.
@13:30 the new kickstand does have a play when new, obviously not the kind of play you show at the beginning of the video..
also for someone without welding capabilities, just grinding the bracket level (@5:00) and then using a stainless washer (for stronger metal) would work.
great fix and video, as always :}
That is not a bad idea as an alternative. Thanks for the input. I always say there is more than one way to skin a cat (not a domestic cat, of course haha).
Your videos are great.
Thank you Johnny.
Great tutorial man
Thank you.
Thanks for posting mate ❤️
You're welcome.
@@muddyfences5559 my spring fell off the bike today and I was checking how to put in place
@@ricardomeira5561 Oh that sucks my man. I had to re-do this same repair again this year. I think next time i will need a new kick stand and bolt. We do what we can to keep riding.
What size is that kickstand bolt? Thread size and shoulder?
Can’t find the oem spring online
So would putting wd-40 on the bolt area every once in awhile help with extending how long it takes to wear that bracket and stand again?
I don't think so.
Darn
I was great to see how to spread the spring. Cool video though. Just not helpful to me right now. Ty for posting.
Thank you. I hope you never have a use for this. It is not fun. Lol.
Lol, I watched the video to see how to get the spring on easier.
Amazing video, really like that.
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Thank you. I appreciate the feedback.
There not Philips screws there called jis screws
I owe you an apology Chris. I thought "jis" was a misspelling of "just" so I blew your comment off. There is such a thing, even though I will likely continue to refer to them as philips, due to habit. Take care.
@@muddyfences5559 Good video and greatly appreciated, however, Chris is absolutely correct - they are called JIS screws. JIS stands for Japanese Industrial Standard - they make a JIS screw driver (It looks pretty much just like a Phillips) but it is slightly different and is made specifically for JIS screws and fits much more snugly and there is less chance of stripping out the screw head. JIS screws typically have a small dot stamped on them. JIS drivers are available on Amazon (and I am sure other websites) and are an invaluable tool to have when you have to work on Japanese machines. Buy one and you will see the difference, I have them and they work great!
@@ScottMiller-tu3gg That is interesting. That would explain why the fit is not always as solid as I would prefer. I will likely continue to call them philips screws out of habit though. Take care Scott and thanks for the info.
@@muddyfences5559 You are certainly welcome! I have been a professional mechanic for over 38 years and I just found out about the JIS drivers myself! I have had the Vessel brand for around 2 years so far and they are holding up well! Thanks again for the video - I just got done doing my kickstand and it works great now!
Mine did this, the kawasaki warrantee I got did not cover the repair, they said I trailered it with the stand down and that is how this happens. BS.
I zip tie the spring to the 2 posts just in case. holds it on pretty good if one side somes off so you don't lose on the road somewhere.
Id of just put some hardy rubber washers or soemthing in between to tighten it up enough but not to much that it wont go up easily.
Please let me know where I can find those washers. I may need to do this repair again. Thanks.
@@muddyfences5559 i will, even if u added it to what u have will also prevent it from scratching the metal and you can just periodically replace the washers ya know.
Id add some grease so they move easily because they will be tight at first but will indent enough where there is "hot spots" (helmet gibberish) n basically break in.
When i get back to the store soon i will legit get u a part number n store.
can it be done without a welder ?
Some people have mentioned using a stainless steel washer as a shim.
@@muddyfences5559 I used the wiring method tight around the spring poles
Seems like a lot of work for something you could have fixed with two washers...
Or just torque washers inside or out