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Why the Boks must bust Ireland
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Keo & Zels talk about the importance of the Springboks beating Ireland in Durban to sweep the Six Nations champions and confirm their status as the world's best team.
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Love this podcast, Irish fan
This aged like milk !!!!
Whoop whoop 🇮🇪
That Sun Tzu quote is perfect, and I’m also suspicious when the rest of the world is applauding South Africa changing. The never liked us when we beat them, they’d much rather we were dancing to their tune, like puppets.
Lol You couldn't win the test series in your own back yard. Never underestimate the Irish. You guys have been humbled. SA only have 1 win in the last 5 games against Ireland.
Ireland win with depleted team. Imagine if Ireland had JGP and Hugo Keenan available. It would have been 2-0 for Ireland. 9 from the last 14 now. Can't argue with that.
The fact that everyone is confused/surprised about the Boks attacking play is the very reason we are going to successfully defend the next world cup. We will be able to play any style with the crop of players we have. We will become a complete team. Don't forget what Rassie keeps saying " Let the main thing stay the main thing " 😉
Everyone isn't surprised, only the hard of thinking are 🤫
I'm surprised how often world rankings come up in these shows, SA are undisputed no. 1, they are back to back world champions, when they play their strongest team they will beat anyone, the pool of players you produce is outstanding, I would love to argue what 10 to choose from, Pollard, Libbok, Sacha, what a treasure chest. In all honesty, I don't care if you beat us every time up to the world cup, I just want to feel like you guys have felt when the final whistle goes after the world cup final
Great comment, I would love to say that you will one day but my green blood would never be okay with that!
Ja its special hey, but we've also been through our ups and downs. Old Bok fans have been through it all, but we've been blessed with this Rassie Era, and it still feels like the best is yet to come. I know that probably sounds a bit arrogant after 2 world cup wins, but hell it would be nice to maybe go 1 year undefeated as well. If we could do it this year, that would really be the icing hey. Its a tough ask, really tough, but its possible.
@kristian762 I used to go crazy watching the boks before the Rassie era started. So one dimensional and predictable and the coaches did not seem to rectify anything. We were also sometimes lacking in depth at certain positions. South Africa was around 7 on World rankings, no man it was a terrible time for Springbok supporters. It is amazing how things have changed so fast since Rassie took over, and the results he has achieved. Springboks playing exciting rugby and plenty depth. Rassie so rugby savy he identifies and rectifies any shortcomings. So glad to have him to take Springboks into the future. Even NZ pundits changing their tune about our rugby style and taking note of how we are now playing. I am also hoping for another World Cup in 2027. We had the toughest pool last World Cup and still got through the games to win, so pools will not get any harder for us.
Would rather give up ranking #1 than lose in the WC. Number of WC trophies is utmost honour and prestige
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When these 2 are around I make sure to HIT that NOTIFICATION BELL.
I must say the last two episodes have revealed how dull Zels is about how the Boks can stay ahead of the pack. Being unpredictable is going to be gold in Project 3-Peat. 🏆🏆🏆
We were predictable in the last world cup and still won. What's your point?
@@vinceroos we weren't as predictable as people expected, especially in the QF against France who didn't expect some of the tactics that Rassie and co. employed. But we could've lost all three of the knockout games as we won by 1 point.
The fact that Rassie believes that the team needs to add fresh innovation to the game plan (and Rassie is clearly smarter than you are) means being unpredictable is key.
Bad call. He has a long memory and remembers what happened the last time we tried to be more expansive. Our strength has always been our dominant forwards bludgeoning the opposition.
@@Aesyrbane y'all seem to forget that all great teams are able to adapt to any situation and apply different tactics based on the opponent or game situation.
This one-dimensional thinking is what has been holding SA rugby back from dominating the world for decades.
The Boks are great at setpiece play and physical dominance but now Rassie, who knows more than you or Zels, thinks it would be great to add a few new weapons to the Bok arsenal.
No one says the Boks are throwing away their traditional power game...they are just adding to it. So y'all need to be open-minded and stop thinking only laterally.
@TaydoS we are dominating now and it's because we are playing to our strengths.
Just because you say a forward dominant play style is one dimensional doesn't mean it is. Our backs still get ample opportunities to score tries. Look at our current wingers for evidence.
Following the comment about PSDT starting on the bench on 2018, I went and looked at the match day squads for those first three tests in 2018. Interesting to see who was in the mix back then and who has dropped out of favour since.
It looks like Rassie rewards commitment and consistency , like we have seen from Jesse Kriel and Kwagga who normally came off the bench. Now they have been promoted and have an opportunity to make it their own (Like Kriel did)
Best banter ruggers show around! Luv from #canada #boks by 15 this weekend
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Thanks chap. Great show. For what it’s worth I’m in the minority in sharing your views and concerns regarding the Boks departing from their traditional strengths. I think it’s inevitable that they go back to those strengths even if it’s only in the run-up to and/or at the 2027 World Cup.
Enjoyed this very much. Informed commentary. Respect for both teams. And some healthy banter for good measure. Very happy to have found this podcast. *hits Subscribe*
🇮🇪🎉❤ Great rugby any time its IRL Vs Boks. Not sure the altitude & TMO made it a fair first test but also not upset by a Boks win under those conditions. IRL on a good day beat the Boks but on average the Boks default to a higher standard and have a much better bench. I am hopeful for the next test we can win it with a fair wind. Loved the DJ but trying to swipe zombie one step to far 🤣 keep up the good work on the channel. enjoy your time out there !! 🏉
I smell humble pie cooking. Are ye ready to be served a slice? Come on Ireland.
UPDATE: You want that humble pie served with Ice Cream. Ciarán Frawley you legend. Come on Ireland
You might be having a stroke, call an ambulance
@@raymaasburg9659 South africa rugby had 15 strokes on saturday evening. .Call emergency. ..??? 😮
Common, guys, they’re obviously building towards a hybrid game plan where they play their old style mainly and break out the “attack” when it’s on. Problem in the past is when it was on they weren’t well versed in the attack side.
Agree. Though in 2019 they used to swap the flyhalf and scrum half when changing from defence to attack, and normally only if behind on the scoreboard. So a more clunky approach.
Then COVID happened, then a Lions tour. So less opportunity to enhance the team and strategy.
In 2022-23 they seemed to be trying to add attack to their game, but then lost Am, Pollard, Jantjies, Goosen, RG, Steyn, think Eben also picked up a shoulder injury... And some other injury scares. So the strategy changed from enhancing the attack to finding enough utility depth options. They were lucky enough players returned from injury, and others stepped up.
This time around Rassie has sourced a much bigger initial squad, with more players likely to be included in future, a specialist attack coach, and more international tests. Specifically against Ireland and New Zealand.
Exciting times ahead. We will definitely suffer set backs, but they are definitely building something with a long term view.
Awesome show guys!
Porter pulls Malherbe into the scrum and therefore were able to keep the scrum from South Africa from dominating
They don’t hit on set. Makes SA walk forward. Free kick. Shouldn’t be allowed.
But don’t worry, the tractor will be an immovable object this weekend.
I don't think the boks will play the same game this weekend. I think they are going to play a direct and show that they can play the exact same team but completely differently. If they can add the expansive game to their repertoire and use it when appropriate they are going to be very difficult to beat.
Exactly, then comes NZ and we implode with self doubt as per usual outside of RWC.
@@user-qe1tv1bu2f as long as it's outside and not inside
Awesome show always dudes. i wish this show comes on our nZ sky sports.
I think the humidity factor might be overplayed - conditions in Durbs will be pleasant, but mid-winter I don't expect handling to be impacted at all.
Humidity looking to be in the 80% range at game time
I think you guys have hit the nail on the head, expect more of the same in Durban with one small exception - I think Tony Brown may have a few tricks up his sleeve to bring 9 and 10 more into the game. Oh, and one other thing, our defence (turn overs) will be better. I think the over all game plan will be executed much better.
As you both say, expect everything and the kitchen sink from Ireland.
Bok rugby is in good hands, Rassie and his team have continued innovating, Rassie will improve accuracy, execution etc.
Australia once played a style of rugby that adapted to the opposition. They ran when they could and defended when needed. They did well playing that way. Cant see Boks failing this way of playing.
Ireland definately got caught cold last week, not helped by going behind early, even though we are depleted with injuries, I think Ireland will be ready for this 2nd game and have a balanced motivated squad, potentially SA willnot rech the intensity of last week, so an interesting game ahead.
Pieter Steph will go down as one of greats. His WC final performance was the perfect game. The guy is a gun.
Remember rassie said for the whales game, we want to make sure we still have our original play down and then work on that. The irish game like we all saw was full on Tony Brown attack, i think moving forward we are going to keep our fundamentals and switch to attacking mode. The first test was to see if we can actually win playing that style. We will all see this weekend what we are truly trying to do. Remember we trust Rassie , one of the best coaches in the world he is not going to change us into a new Zealand style team. He knows what rugby we are good in and fundamentals will always be there!
If you can’t beat an depleted Irish side on your home soil you ain’t all that. 😂
Interesting thoughts on P Steph Di Toit. The WC Final was the best performance i have ever seen from an individual Bok. Not to show my age but I started watching the Boks when Naas was Capitan
I would love to see the boks win clearly with no TMOs involved. No favored referee decisions. Just a clear win with some exciting tries out wide and by the forwards. I want it to be "clear and obvious" that we are number 1. Not because of some controversial referee decisions.
Ireland: "we aren't coming for one win.
RSA translation: " we are not coming for a single win"
😂😂
But ireland would hardly say oh yes we are only wanting one win
lol you couldnt win the series in your own back yard. You've been officially humbled. Ireland had a load of injuries, a yellow card...and still beat you. That's 1 win in your last 5 games against Ireland.
Only beat Ireland because of the ref last weekend too
@@OskarBosco-o2w Correct. 2 Ireland tries disallowed and a dodgy try awarded to SA in the first game. Todays tmo/ref made mistakes but didn't favour either side.
Ireland won the series on more tries scored😄
Always a brilliant show...quality rugby knowledge ...love their positive energy
Boks should win by less than 5, slower pitch Murray's boks kicks could become a slug feast. 22 to 17/19. The TB evolution is needed but we have to keep the game plan unpredictable
Is there no heating in your studio?
Another entertaining show by da-boys
Agree. Running it so wide poses the risk of isolation and turnovers. Especially with Irish loose forwards.
I completely get the concern coming from Zels on the game plan. It can be a fine line between adding on to strategy and completey changing it. Think we can trust Rassie and team to monitor things. Also think now is the time to play with things over the next two year's, especially with player's aging and new talent coming through.
I feel sorry for Roos missing out in these tests, but understand why. He is too similar to Siya and PSDT as physical ball carrier's. They need Kwagga to be the jackel threat. Don't think he is really in competition for the no.8 position. He's a better no. 6, 7 and utility cover.
I think Rassies next challenge after this series is bringing in new talent, and reducing/managing game time for some of the older players if he wants them to play in the next WC. Personally I'd like to see Siya and Eben start more games as part of the bomb squad, force some young guys to prove themselves early while not burning out our leaders.
Lol,
I don't know gents. I don't think the team is perfect for the type of rugby they want to play. To have had Roos at 8, Kwagga on the bench in Van Staden's place, Libbok at 10 and Pollard on the bench, would have given me more confidence. Also, I think Ireland will be fine with the personnel on hooker and scrumhalf. Just my 25 rubles...
Ouch, that didn't age well dudes! More humility guys would be nice!
Let me grab my sunglasses quick 😂
Haha, you guys are stuck in the past. Of course, we need to evolve. We did not beat Ireland when playing our old style.
Did it really work? If James Lowe didn’t make those 2 mistakes, the story would have been different.
@NavanOlivier The Irish forwards also cam match our big boys. So we need to bring a different game plan. Don't understand why this issue . We have to change our thinking... going forward. Meaning not change wholesale.
Exactly. Zels sounds so disappointed that we tried another way to win.
@@NavanOlivierand if Pollard hadn't have missed, it wouldn't.
@@petes9524 they also missed?
Mix the 2 styles,go defensive and then go turbo.
Get those excuses lined up, can’t wait to hear them
Mom wants you to call her
Goeie bespreking ! Groete uit LIma Peru!
Oh, and btw, it was Napoleon Bonaparte who said 'when your enemy is making a mistake, take care not to interrupt them.' Doesn't detract from the fact that you two are up there with Jim Hamilton's Rugby Pod Pod Pod... lol
There should not be humidity in Durban this time of the year.
Agreed. Winter is the best time of year.
Forecast to be 60%. Pretoria was mid-teens. It’s relative (pun intended)
Difficult to call this next one. Felt we were a bit fortunate last week to win. I sense it will be close again. No clear dominance by either side. They are quite similar teams.
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Watch Wildcard's video on the Springbok Irish game
Ireland won't lie down either in Durban....don't underestimate Ireland ever
Ireland gonna improve
BOKS gonna improve
Simple!
@@nevillepieterse9983but who will improve the most?
Why would they lie down? What a stupid comment 🤫🐒
@@mariannugent3179 South Africa 24 Ireland 25
Great show but is there no heating in the studio?
You got them back today in test 2😂
love that intro!
You guys wanted us to revert back to our normal play and guess what, we lost..
I think Durban July is low humidity. 41% predicted with 0% rain so condition ns should be perfect for running rugby and keeping the ball.
Love it! Let us know what you make of the lastest RugbyHub preview 🙌
Really not that slippery - if at all - in Durban during July. I'm a Durban native.
experimenting with one thing at a time
keep the team, add to the plan
Please let Zels talk, he has some wonderful insights
Just on the slippery ball in Durbs in winter the umidity is not a factor .🏈
i think its a good strategy to be able to play different styles, with rassie it'll always have them not knowing what to expect
Nice to hear Zels speak again.. bulldozed the last two episodes..
pre World cup, Manie kinda forced us to play like this, and it was beautiful. Yes it doesn't look as good now without Manie, but i don't understand the Shock/confusion element about this game plan!? Not mention it was the 1st game, and Willie was slightly absent.
Think the difference was Manie was allowed to do this just outside the opponent's 25. Otherwise they played the same very tight crash ball and defensive territory game plan.
This is much more passing and attack from just outside our 25.
So the concern is the impact on defensive structures and energy levels with all the running. How much this compromises the team is yet to be determined.
I am happy to let Rassie experiment with new strategic layers. He couldn't do this last cycle due to COVID and lions tour. Think there is a lot in his bag of tricks to be tested. There is still time to scrap what doesn't work.
Plus we have players everywhere to make the Springbok team.
How about you boys document predictions vs results and see how close you are over the mid term?
Who cares, it's just a matter of opinion, its good to have different opinions. No one is keeping score 😅
You guys don't see. The rugby powers are trying everything to dismantle our strengths. We need to show other strengths to shake them off or indeed compete.
At the rate their informing new rules and we are adapting, they will run out of moves.
@@user-qe1tv1bu2f bold of you to assume they won't ban the entire squad and players at that point 😂
You've got it spot-on, boet. If we dominate for a period and/or win another RWC with our power and attrition game, World Rugby will change the game so much that it won't be Rugby union anymore.
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One then has to ponder how they will deal with the kids coming next gen. They look tiny.
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If, and I say if because winning a triple crown is like odds of every citizen winning the lotto on the same weekend
Best podcast!
Going forward the Boks will definitely look to combine their traditional power play with the more attacking game. It certainly doesn’t have to be the one or the other.They can switch between approaches at different times in the same game. They’re not stupid okes.
Its not going away from the Springboks identity its simply adding a new dimension why is that so hard to understand?? 😂😂😂🤯
@@ryandeetlefs1578 these guys are so dull it's unbelievable. I see some people in the comments agreeing with them.🤡
Having two great weapons is better than having one.
You guys are the best in the business 😂
It is winter in Durban, it isn't going to be tough to handle the ball.
Youre not allowed to mention Sexton anymore 😂
On the Osbourne segment 25min mark, you were right. I was thinking during the game why are the Boks not targeting him considering he was not just new to the team, but also new to that position.
Because he's class as he showed the first test and the second.
Munster beat South Africa ( dirt trackers) in Páirc Uí Chaoimh in Cork in November 2022 , full house 40,000
That was South Africa A 😂 not the main boks team and they were coached by Mzwandile Stix
14 man Ireland crushed the bokkes at home despite the ref and tmo being on bokke side lol looks like Ireland really are in rassies head
What will extend Pieter-Steph du Toit's career? Keeping him blindly clearing out rucks or using him effectively wide. Tony Brown's move is genius and may even extend his career.
Let's go!!!! Number 1 🏆🏆🏆🏆🇿🇦
Lol
Transition era; Pollard, Faf, Eben. I cannot wait to see the team selected to play Portugal; Rassie will show his medium term plans
One of the biggest boks rivalries England..... always goes up a notch... and a loss always hurts
Well said Zels, ive been making the point that these tests are not unfinished business, teams can be weaker or stronger, boks are largely the same squad as WC squad, and entitled to enjoy their win on home soil, if Ireland manage a win on Saturday, SA are still no.1 and world champions, so no one here in Ireland will make any claims os superiority.
money man pod is boring 😂
leo/zels is the content convo
I feel like I need to go on a worldwide campaign imploring people to ignore anything that comes out of John Kirwan's mouth. To expect the rules of rugby to change instead of becoming better within the current rules is so arrogant and as you guys correctly put it 'one-eyed'. I love the way the boks play and adapt, I wish the All Blacks could return to innovating in the same way, fingers crossed that Razor lives up to the (?over)hype
You are on the wrong forum dude.
Cry harder 😭😭😭🤫
@speak_your_truth. not sure what you thought was crying there sunshine, I'm an AB's supporter and feel like the tripe that comes out of Kirwan's mouth makes us all look bad. Are you saying you agree with him?
37:30 that didn’t work out guys. Does that mean you’re not the best team in the world? By your own suggestion?
Can you guys do a show on the u20? Need a deep dive into the shit show going on. Even last year baby boks luckily went to semis that 2012 win is a long time ago
I watched them at Sunshine Coast against NZ, Aus and Arg. Yeah. We need to put some attention on the U20
The Carel Du Plessis Experiment
He actually can be credited for the Mallet run.
@@struesbob7493 everything's gonna be croquet under Mallet
Thanks for the insight guys. As always. I'm actually starting to like JK, though. 😅
You've changed my mind. My new choice is. Eben(4), PSDT(5), hannekom(6), wiese(7), roos(8) 👍
100% on the Kiwi pundits. Was thinking the same thing when I heard them.
your best defense is a good offense, means sweet blue nothing to go in with a strategy to defend
i agree psdt but kla 14 tries in 16 matches goes unseen
Just say it guys the Boks will play the all blacks game plan
With Rassie we will always evolve and adapt.
Where is your follow up to the second match? Pretty slow to broadcast. Humble pie dont taste so good?😢
"someone shot out of a canon and a bearded woman on the sideline." Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love listening to you guys,even if you talk a lot of rubish sometimes. But let's address the elephant in the room.....Keo...will you please stop calling KLA and Cheslin weeners? Quickly say "wingers" out loud to yourself.
“You’ve been known to throw the odd conspiracy theory out-there..!” 😂
Might this not us learning a plan C. Where we avoid scraping out results and finding easier ways to win with attack under Brown’s tutelage?
PSDT and Cheslin Kolbe ... PSDT - huge dynamo, natural flank, speed, skills, Malmesbury missile, ... Cheslin Kolbe routinely does things that win Boks games ... charges down the Ramos kick - we win by one ... collects Lowe's ill advised attempt to keep the ball alive, scores a converted try, we win by seven - the meticulous professional.
It was perhaps ill advised but it was in no way ham handed. 🤫
@@speak_your_truth. Edit accepted - delete 'hamhanded' - replace with 'ill-advised.' Thank you
@@speak_your_truth. Edited. Thank you
@@williambotha5864 Nice one 👍🙂
Last 5 games between the 2 sides. 4 wins for Ireland, 1 win for SA. You guys need to calm down. You couldn't even manage to win the series in your own back yard. G'wan Ireland!!
They only won last week’s game coz of the ref too lol
@@OskarBosco-o2w 2 games in Dublin, 2 in SA and one at a neutral venue. Rassie isn't in the Irish players heads. They've got the better of this saffer side - 4 wins from the last 5 games says it all. G'wan Ireland!!
Great to see Osborne coming through at FB- total masterclass under the high ball and dangerous with ball in hand. Keenan being away with the 7s turned out to be a blessing in disguise. He's got competition for that FB slot now so he might be regretting his decision not to play in the series. Fair play to Frawley too. He missed that DG in the champions cup final but he wasn't planning on missing today.
Conor Murray is playing - Ireland will be kicking more
Tony Brown is a NZRU and WR plant to ensure the Boks don't win 3 in a row. 🏆🏆🏆😂
So tired of the nationality talk from SH teams. Half your population are European settlers. No ground to stand on