Lelit Mara X: The Best Espresso Machine for the Money
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Looking for the best espresso machine? Look no further than Lelit Mara X! The Lelit MaraX V2 is perfect for coffee lovers who want the best quality and convenience possible.
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Intro 0:00
Specs 0:55
In The Box 2:00
Walkthrough 3:40
What We Love 11:35
What We Don't Like 13:52
Who's It For? 17:40
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One great feature we forgot to mention in the video: The preinfusion! This machine has an automatic preinfusion that's a very slow ramp up to full pressure, allowing you to grind much finer and prevent channeling.
Anything else we missed? Let us know in the comments!
I think all machines which are using vibration pump can do this 🤔
portafilter size?
@@raptorxxxx-dd1fh 58 mm
I think Lelit says on the official website that they give "Lelit58" basket which were made in collaboration with IMS so that would mean it is the only brand out there that even if you pay a few thousands, doesn't include ridiculous cheap 5$ stamped basket that u'll throw right away in the garbage. That's a realllly nice touch since it's the first thing you'll want to change on every other machines.
Edit: Just bought a Bianca V3 and a MaraX black, and I confirm the basic basket is still trash, while being not as bad as the standard one. You'll still want to replace it asap imo.
How can I measure the pressure after adjusting?
The gauge shows the pressure on the pump.
What is the pressure with a puck during brewing??
Really enjoyed the review. It was very personable and easy to digest. I appreciate the straightforward and honest feedback for those of us interested in this machine. Cheers
I've watched a lot of reviews on this machine and this one has been the best. Straight forward and showed a lot more detail than others. Thanks
Most honest and complete review I've seen on this great machine.
I have just bought this machine and you touched everything perfectly.Thanks for the great review and the video❤
I have the 1st gen and it’s a joy to use. Pair with a decent grinder and you’re in coffee heaven.
Couldn't agree more!
😂😂😂. Yeah right! Good thing you can waste your money properly.
@@FranciscoParra-du1dc Why are you trolling this site and what rig do you have?
I have been using the Mara X for six months now and your review is right on the money! It’s a great machine. The pro and con of your review are exactly what that machine offer! Time for a nice latte to start my day 😋
Glad you’re enjoying the machine! Happy brewing!
Thank you for your great video and explanations, it was very informative and helpful. We bought this machine yesterday and very happy with it (after upgrading from Gaggia Brera). One question - what did you mean on the cons about the bar pressure settings?
Thanks for the video. You've done a good job of explaining the features and specifically why the brew mode is unique and important. The feet are delicate for such a heavy and expensive machine. The rubber bumpers guiding the drip tray makes removing the drip tray a little bit of a challenge, but I think the bumpers are there for noise reduction along with a host of other noise reduction features. You didn't like the hot water dispenser, but you didn't mention if that is a problem of this design or all E61 HX designs. I can't imagine other E61 HX machines drawing the water from anywhere else, so I suspect all similar machines would have the same problem. It takes a while to heat up, so it's worth noting that this machine is timer friendly. If you use a timer on your AC wall outlet, the mechanical power switch on the PL62X ensures that the machine is "ON" when power is applied at the AC outlet. I have owned the v1 version for over a year and love it, and agree that it's probably the best implementation of a E61 heat exchanger design. You can always buy better feet or a better portafilter, but the patent pending "brew mode" PID is what really sets it apart.
So lucky I chose this machine in the shop because the reviews were fine and I liked the looks! This machine is a beauty!
Is the brew mode position 1 or 0? Thanks for the nice walkthrough!
I own one for about a year now and I LOVE it! The feeling that you have an e61 professional coffee machine at home in such an affordable price and (in my eyes) a beautiful e61 classic look is awesome! I have something that bothers me I was starting to look at the gicar output of the machine and I've read that the V2 (black logo) with the updated gicar suppose to have another important parameter there which is the pump stat (0 off 1 on) the strange thing is that my V2 doesn't show this extra parameter. Is it possible that not all V2 got upgraded gicar? Are there subversions of the V2? Hope you have some extra info about that or you have a suggestion of who might help me with that because if the gicar isn't as the V2 suppose to have I ask myself what else can be different?! Maybe the opv upgrade haven't really been upgraded (I see some water in the tray every now and then when the machine is heating up, not too much...)
Thx and sorry for the long comment 😬
Thanks for sharing.
I'm very interested by this Mara. But I wonder how long does it take to warm the machine ?
Hi man, just wanna say thank you and it is such a good well thought-out review, definitely gonna pay more attention to this channel now. I was upgrading from my gaggia classic and was thinking on getting appartamento for a long time (2 years haha) because the price gap kinda make me hesitant. I was looking looking around for other option below the price range and nothing really caught my eye, I want an upgrade but also not an overkill as I only make 3-4 cups a day max (dual boiler is not what im looking for). Then I saw this video and kinda give me the last push to finally get this mara x v2. I dont mind the starting wait time, the steam power and pressure consistency is an upgrade from my gaggia, and the looks man, damn, cant say much more than that. Anyway, thanks again and hope you continue making videos in the future. Cheers!
Really appreciate the kind words, hope you enjoy the Mara X!
Looks like very nice expressive machine. How do you place it toward Bezzera Magica PID?
We have the v2, absolutely wonderful machine.
Fantastic review. I really like that you were so thorough in discussing the possible concerns one might have
For the feet issue… there are fiber furniture sliders a5 home depot that would work
I think I might use the water tap to heat cups before extraction
I really like the narrow design since double boilers are too big for my limited counter space
Great ideas! Thanks for watching!
@@HomeGroundsCoffee
Btw… if you keep the machine and are still bothered by the rubber bumper on the drip tray…. There are shims available on Amazon. You could trim these to the correct height an attachment one in front of the bumper…
Or even remove he bumper and just use a shim instead
Thx again for the review, I am seriously considering replacing my ancient rancillio Silvia machine
And, btw, if you use one of those puck filters… a seldom mentioned advantage is the it keeps the group very clean as the espresso bloom is contained in the porta filter
Cheers
Thank you and I confess a bias toward the Lelit Mara X. The produce info flagged ~24 minutes warm up time but I find it ready in 15 minutes easy
I am debating between this one, the Diletta Mio & Ascaso UNO. Any recommendations?
I like Americano's, would you recommend this machine? Or have another suggesting, based on the fact that you don't like the water dispenser?
Good review. However, I have had the MaraX for a year and love the forward directed doble side portafilter. Also, the little rubber bumpers of the tray are not a problem at all. I agree with the hot water spout. I could perfectly live w/out it. If I need hot water, I take it from a cattle. This is the best machine for the money and looks great.
It's a great machine, for sure - I owned a V1 up until recently. I swapped it out for a Silvia Pro, though, because I wanted more steam power and faster heatup time (the MaraX is 30 minutes, the Silvia pro is about 15).
The MaraX V2 is about 13 minutes Heat up time and you can use it ( stops blinking). But yes the manufacturer says it it 24 minutes. Maybe to heat up the entire machine including E61 group and the portafiler that you keep attached. But it should not pose a bid difference since a momemnt boiling water starts to run through it. Heats up fast.
Your Silvia pro will last longer. Good buy
It looks pretty great however what are all the plastic tubing inside it? When I see the inside of Profitec or ECM everything seems to be copper or steel whereas this has loads of plastic tubing. Can I also ask, how would it compare to Profitec P400, potentially Profitec P500 PID, ECM Mechanika Slim VI and Rocket Apartmento TCA? Thanks
hello do you think this unit can be used in a small coffee ahop that serves 30 to 80 cups?
To whom It concerns. I have a MaraX and fully agree with all the above. I also had a Bianca and several other machines ranging from Kees van der Westen (Speedster to my opinion one of the best machines in the world) to many vintage Faema machines (Lambro, President & e61). This new Marax is probably best value for money and makes absolutely great espresso’s. (I am waiting for my Odyssey Argos))
What I am missing (in all machine tests) is the need for fresh roasted beans as pre condition and good grinder. As I have my own coffee brand fresh beans are no issue and in term of grinder, I have many (good’ol MK K30ES to Ceado e37s, but lately, after adding a eureka specialita next to it (size:-) and super quality) I recently added an Eureka Oro. I am in love and yes all machines have pro’s&con’s. This SD is perfect for low dialy consumption (2 doubles each morning). Thank you for great test. I wonder Why in Europe this is €1200 and in US $1700. Or is this not US?
I saw in another review the hot water dispenser is useful If the pressure on the steam is low (say 0.5 bar) which can happen and you want to make a shot and steam milk at the same time then you can just pull a bit hot water into a cup, The the machine is heaten up a little more, thus heating the pressure up to for example 1.5 bar, which is better. And besides, the hot water also warms your cup in the meantime.
hey this video was super helpful. when I eventually upgrade from my GCP, the lelit MaraX is top of my list (with the profitec pro 400 narrowly behind) and that is large part due to this video. I think you really making a compelling case for why its the best user experience / build for the price.
friendly suggestion: in future videos, can you adjust the camera's aperture to include both you and the machine in focus at the same time? Great content otherwise! thanks
Appreciate the kind words, and the camera suggestion!
I have a GCP in my work office. I bought it to upgrade my Nespresso. One day, while looking for a nicer machine for my parent's lake house, I came across a used Mara X and bought that. It was 100% the next step up from a GCP. It's a similar form factor as far as space it takes up but a significant upgrade. I highly recommend it. I don't think I'd ever need a better machine. It's perfect until I have unlimited disposable income for a Linea Mini
My friend have a GCP with some ugprades from (Shades of Coffee) though we returned the PID because it was wayyyy too complicated, like you need an Ingenior degree to install that, which they don't really tell you. As for me I have a (Rocket R58) since 3 years already, not the same class but I was looking at this (Mara X) for my girlfriend which has the worst Breville machine on earth, so it would be an extreme upgrade to say the least lol.
I've seen the Profitech 400 and honestly it's an absolute joke... pricier and no PID like seriously?! It's unacceptable at such a price range and for a brand new product that just came out. The price difference for the Profitech 500 which comes with a PID is almost nothing but looking at this patent "Brew PID Priority" this could make the Mara even better than other more expensive and larger HX machines, while also heat up much faster than my R58 that is 45min instead of 24min.
Question? If the gold cup standard is 205 with the coffee cut medium. Then, would the packed coffee need a rougher grind or a higher brew temperature? Seems redundant to me to cut coffee medium for a non flower taste and pack the coffee tight. Just asking.
So honest and in a true “i dont give a f.k style! Live it completelly
how would you compare the MaraX with the Elizabeth?
After the 30min sleep mode happens. How quickly does it take for the machine to heat back up?
if its same price with sage db , which one would you choose?
Thanks for the quality review. I’m torn between the Mara X and the Profitec 400. Seems like main difference is Mara X has 2 temp sensors while Profitec has just one. Profitec has pre infusion while Mara X doesn’t? Love to get your view on how those two machines compare.
Dear sir, would you make a quick review for model FIORENZATO BRICOLTTA single group head.
Actually, there's one scoop I find myself using. The scoop that comes with a Hario V60 is great.
Something often goes overlooked is that heat exchange espresso machines draw fresh water from the reservoir whereas dual boiler brew boilers can have stale reheated brew water that is less than fresh. It might be ok in a cafe that is pulling a few hundred shots a day, but for a home user thermoblock and heat exchange systems offer a fresher alternative to dual boilers. This approach as been taken with the Ascaso Baby T and Decent to name 2.
huh, never thought of that. Wonder if it actually makes a difference though. If your water is good and your tank isn't leaking steam, then it should just be exactly the same water? what am i missing?
@@PedroJohnston1 I wonder how much water the heat exchanger holds and how much you need to flush out of it to draw in a new batch of fresh water? You would think a brew boiler could be flushed out too. The Creme One has this as an option where the brew boiler's water can be drained out into the drip tray. I have heard that water coming from the steam boiler, from the hot water tap on most machines, can have a metallic taste, so it reasons to bet that there is some leaching of the brew boiler metals into the water if you aren't pulling many shots. Something like the Flair 58 or Cafelat Robot will have the freshest water as it is coming straight from the kettle for each shot.
@@jakevan1969 Well, the idea is that you don't need to flush an HX, because your brew water is always sourced cold from the reservoir. So you never drink the water that gets pumped into the boiler.
@@PedroJohnston1 For sure. I think this is an advantage over a dual boiler where the brew water can reheat or sit for hours or days at a time especially for the home barista who might only pull 1 or 2 shots a day. Most heat exchangers need to be flushed if sitting for a while between shots due to the water overheating as it can come out very hot sputtering and steaming and would ruin the shot if not flushed. The Mara X is unique due to the dual probes and a much superior temperature stability for a heat exchange machine. Apparently, a machine like the rocket apartmento has wild swings in temperature despite looking cool. That all being said, I am wondering about keeping the water as fresh as possible and if you were to flush the heat exchanger of the Mara, how much water would it have in this heat exchange circuit before it is replaced by all new and fresh water from the reservoir.
@@PedroJohnston1 I see what you mean now. Yes. Coffee water would be coming fresh from the reservoir to the heat exchanger, but hot water for an americano would be coming from the steam boiler.
Nice review. What is the brand/model of the bottomless portafilter you are using? I've been looking for something similar (with shiny end of handle) but am unable to find anything below affordable wit that design. Thanks!
It looks like an ECM bottomless portafiler.
Piece of art.
We agree completely!
Are you sure the reason for the play at the start of the steam and water knobs isn't because they're non compression valves? In which case you shouldn't be tightening them up. You should stop closing them once steam stops. The play is to avoid you overtightening
I do have one comment. The water tank. I have over head cabinets. Id have to pull the unit out on those rubber feet everytime. And my worry is splashing getting everywhere with the water reservoir. Also I was wondering what seperates the water reservoir from the rest of the machine.
What would be the next best Thing for a lower Price with E61 ? Any Suggestion?
Would be definitely one of the best HX machines(definitely the most innovative one) on the market without it's issues. The Olab Silent green pump, the boost mode as well as the "PID light" are cool features in general, but those features are not executed very well. The pump is prone to fail, the boost mode can lead to boiler overpressure with only the safety valves safing the machine from total deconstruction and the PID modes basically are all too hot except for the lowest temp stage. I hope Lelit fixes all these issues, because with those features functioning properly(PID levels beginning with 91°Celsius, no more temp sensor/mainboard issues/updated pump) , the Mara X would be an awsome very well priced HX E61 machine.
How does this compare to rocket apartamento
The 10 bar pressure is set because there is 1 bar being lost in the way tobthr group head. I installed a group head pressure gauge and found it always 1 bar below the pump pressure.
Yeah, but the standard is having your pump at 9bar, not your grouphead. At least that is how commercial machines are set up. That means that having it set to 8 bar is in fact correct here, because the gauge actually measures the pressure at the group, not at the pump, which is what a commercial machine would do.
I recall reading somewhere at brew pressure on commercial machines using rotary pumps are measured differently than vibe on home machines. It seems counter intuitive to me that Lelit would design this for prosumers but leave out that small detail.
James Hoffman put out a series of videos, one of which explains pressures. He discussed the origin of 9bar as the pressures that produces highest flow through a puck. More than 9 bar and the puck compresses resulting in less flow, less than 9 bar and flow is less. The 9 bar pressure was at the puck/group head and not at the pump.
Loved your watch IWC ?
Hi, would you recommend this for a small coffee shop?
It MIGHT work for a small coffee shop. I would recommend looking for something more commercial though if you hope to grow.
Mara x can also accept a flow control upgrade which I like having...
Nice Video. I bought it in Germany for 949€ 🤣
How long does it take to heat up? Does eco mode help reduce the heating time or not?
mine is about 20 minutes, i make sure i turn it on in the morning before doing my morning routine, then its ready when i am.
@@craigcraig9745 and then you leave it on all day if you are home? How much electricity does it uses then?
Hello. Nice review but according to the logo, it is the v.2, so you or this other video ua-cam.com/video/hGYGBo0G-DY/v-deo.html is wrong about the coffee mode and the temperature settings (what you are describing is the v. 1 settings) ... Also, I don't plan on using the hot water either, is it not possible to leave it UNDER the lever?
i never uses the hot water, and keep that spout tucked behind the lever - that way its out of harms way, and does not interfere with my brew process
Still hesitating to upgrade to this from my Gaggia Classic Pro.
Was going to purchase gaggia classic, but after seeing these in their new (Matt black/white) colours. I must own one ☕
May I know the warm up time , as in how long must i wait before i can start to brew?
It's about 25-30 minutes!
@@HomeGroundsCoffee Thanks for your reply. I thought v2 will be faster, i am looking for something closer to 10 minutes, but I really like the E61 look. :)
Yea e61 machines all typically take around the same amount of time
Around 12-13 minutes with an ambient room temperature between 16ºC to 23ºC. My machine is around 1¾ years old and has been pretty much perfect since the get go.
You forgot another important feature!
There is a Steam boost mode on the Mara X V2. If you are in any mode (it's most useful in brew mode) and you pull up the handle and immediately turn it off, the boiler heats up and you have 120 seconds of steam mode.
It’s gonna be this one or the ecm classika pid
Get the ECM if you want it to last. These things are made down to a (low) price and that is only going to get worse following their acquisition by Breville.
was in same situation as you, i dont do milk base drinks often but i went with the ECM classika PID, love it.. the Lelit for some reasons FEELs cheap. like you know corners are being cut
I got this because of the scoop
I would have bought this without question. But does the 57mm portafilter ruin it?
It’s a 58mm portafilter!
Is this v1 or v2?
V2
So: Profitech 400 or Lelit Mara X ?
Mara X)
Nice reciew but i would've liked that you made yourself an espresso an taste it.
Don't you want the hot water spigot to be able to flush the limescale out of the boiler? Honestly, that's all it's good for anyway. You certainly wouldn't want to drink anything out of a boiler concentrated with limescale. It would make your coffee or tea taste like liquid chalk. Also, if you don't like the spigot, just take the outer screw that holds the spigot on and take it to a plumbing store or a plumbing supply house. Match the threads to a copper screw and straight pipe combo. Put that on and now you have a high volume flush pipe with no restrictions. Use some Simichrome or Brasso, give it a good polish and Bob's your uncle. Just be careful because it gets wicked hot when you're flushing the boiler and the water can give you 3rd degree burns.
Ha ha,I just saw what looks like someone in love with this machine 8n the first 2 seconds
My understanding is that V1 had steam boost mode and Hx mode and V2 has coffee priority mode and steam boost mode. It might have been better if V2 came out with 3 settings with coffee priority mode, steam boost mode and Hx mode. Steam boost mode boosts the heating element after the brewing starts so that the user is able to steam at a higher pressure for 120 seconds after the brew lever is raised.
I bought this recently and they've made some updates (the feet now no longer screw in but actually pop off if dragged so that you can easily put them back in instead of them getting torn, they fixed the drip tray so it doesn't have bumpers anymore but a different, less anxiety inducing mechanism to hold it on). I really like this machine because I am pretty strictly a milk-drink coffee drinker and I've never used a better steam wand that also doesn't bake and cake the milk when the spout hits air for half a second. The most valid complaint in this review is the hot water wand. Really unnecessary, and kind of takes the joy out of the lever to pull the shot because, if you're like me, you like to keep the wands tucked in when you're not using it, which means moving it out of the way every time. However, I do drink the occasional Americano, so, it has its purpose though I kinda agree that I have an electric kettle for a reason (and it doesn't take 20 minutes to heat up).
I will say though that I bought this setup, plus the mignon grinder and a scale and it'll probably take me a year and half to strike even from walking down to the local coffee shop. It's expensive. I'd only purchase if you really want to control your espresso or you drink multiple coffee drinks a day
Also, yes, please stop with the coffee scoops! They're cheap, they're garbage, and who uses them with an espresso machine????
Reminds me of Wayne's World... "I don't even own "a" gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack. What am I going to do with a gun rack?" Lol
The knob should never be turned that way, simply stop turning it when the steam stops. That way it's also easier to start the steam (less turns).
You can unscrew the spout. I have different parts to suit. Too many parts for me. Apartmento is for me.
Might want to mention user can shut off default shut-off after 30 minutes. This shutoff is annoying since user has to reboot machine and wait 15minutes for thing to heat back up...better that the machine stays hot and ready to go. And so turn this auto shutoff "feature" off...
Must have a tiny reservoir
Not very tiny actually! Much bigger than the entry-level espresso machines like the Breville Barista Express.
I keep my mara x on a plastic tray for sliding
I bought some 3/4” felt pads with sticky back from Home Depot and stuck them under rubber feet. Now I can slide the MaraX around for a quick fill.
I think Izzo and VBM are better build quality than the Lelit!
A very nice review! But why are you talking about an „E61-styled“ brewhead? It IS a Faema E61 brewhead... You're giving the impression that Lelit copied it!
Thanks for pointing that out! I only mentioned that because they call it an L58E group, I believe because they are using it in a way that they cannot call it an E61.
@@HomeGroundsCoffee You are right, please excuse me! I'll try to find out the reason for this!
@@HomeGroundsCoffee it’s hard to get these information. When you’re checking the review of the V1 Lelit Mara X, they’re talking about an e61. All the actual models online are equipped with this L58E. Just wrote an email to Lelit, if they can explain the difference, they answered, that they won’t do this! Ok 😂
I have this machine just over two years. It has provided two electric shocks recently. Lelit won't repair. Buyer beware.
I do not know the attraction to these models yes they are a Trojan horse. Shiny nice outside not up to par build inside. One reason this guy in stream got shocked by his machine twice.
I'm wondering if the water reservoir splashing around or the moisture from it is causing the problem.
@@troyheffernan1261 my guess is it's more how you fill the reservoir. If water drops between housing and reservoir. Frustrating that lelit gave no care to issue. Water from drip tray isn't connected to machines electrics no not that.
If you actually had coffee in that mug it would've been all over your shirt, lol.
My balance is impeccable.
You can do as good with a cheaper machine.
Look like a lot of plastic tubing coming off the boiler and not much copper or stainless steel tubing.
That's what I like about the Izzo Alex Duetto IV Plus. One plastic tube coming from the reservoir and the rest is copper tubing.
The US price is absurd. $1,699 plus tax. These are sub €1,000 in Europe including (19-24%) sales tax! Lelit, give me a break - these cost almost DOUBLE what they cost in Europe.
mara x's biggest problem is the espresso brewing temperature, which is close to boiling because it's a heat-exchanger
Not sure if I should trust a man who's fondling an empty coffee cup
Breville dual boiler is so much better for many reasons.
Unless it stops working. Nothing on the Breville is repairable. With the Lelit you can get replacement parts from Chris's Coffee.
Lost me at 35 seconds in.........
This review is too long, they guy annoying and doesn't know most of what's he's talking about.
Thanks for watching!
Why are you watching? There is a stop button. Go somewhere else and complain. Goose.
@@jellyink I can complain as much as I wish. This video is too long for me and confusing.
Mind your own business!
@@monello2161 You can complain. It serves no purpose. This video wasnt made for you. Idiot. If you don't like it turn it off. There is no reason for this man to change his work because YOU aren't impressed. Go find a picture book with small words if you're getting confused.🙄
Yes, definitely feel free to continue watching our boring, confusing videos!