3:09 3 Fingers Only. Seriously, he’s one of the few bassists in the world that can play everything with 3 fingers which such consistency, most of 3 fingers players have to switch between 2 and 3. Makes it way more difficult in progressive metal. The odd time signatures in DT makes some songs extremely confusing to play with 3 fingers, but John is just a master of it. I want to see how many Progressive/Technical bass players that can play with his technique so perfectly.
@@rod-abreu yeah he switches between 2 and 3 fingers. Jhon only plays with 3 fingers wich is harder ( that was my point). Felipe is still an amazing bass player but he's kinda drowned in the mix. I went to Angra concert expecting a more present bass in the mix, but it was basically the same as the studio (enjoy it a lot anyway). In contrast when I went to a DT concert it was imposible to not hear the bass. Besides the fact that Jhon experiments way more with his instrument.
Just practice it really, really slowly and deliberately. If you run through it at like 1/4-1/5 speed 10 times a day for like a month you’ll be able to play this
Been a music player and a mixer / mastering audio engineer are two totally different things. Amazing playing by John, this how bass sounds at that speed
Dream Theater Fans seem to be the only ones that don’t understand this. You go to the comments for Run to the Hills isolated bass and people are loving it over there. It’s just raw bass playing.
So good! Very clean for an isolated bass track. I think the gain/distortion is the only thing making people think it's sloppy? This is an amazing performance!
Obviously! This is the whole bass track, so (just like all isolated track you can find on UA-cam, even drums, guitar and keybord ones) this is not a single take, but there are several takes joined into one.
I have no doubts this was Myung but I think this was an alternate take because there are a couple missing parts from the master recording. Such as the use of phaser in the intro, plus when you download the stems, it sounds a little different in the mix.
Is it the rhythm changes or the technique? Iron Maiden's Invaders is extremely difficult to learn. If you stretched that out to 9 minutes and changed the time signatures a bit, would it be different?
if you didnt know the song it sounds like a guy just jamming in his room all over the place...writing all these parts however makes this style way past The Cars or The Beatles!
Is this the actual recording off the album (how do you do that?)? Something about this doesn't sound quite right. Not sure why. Maybe it's because I'm not a bass player and I'm just not used to hearing bass played solo like this. It...doesn't sound good. It's interesting, but it's not pleasant. It's not like listening to solo drums or guitar where even without the rest of the band it sounds good. It doesn't seem to have the same level of razor-sharp precision that you might expect from Myung, but maybe that's just how bass sounds?
Bass guitar is a funny thing in a full mix. Essentially the only frequency that a bass will cut through with is... well the bass. That’s why it sounds so muddy and blobby sometimes, because it’s so bass heavy. As a bassman myself I can tell you from personal experience that this particular track is played incredibly tight. It may sound sloppy but I can promise it isn’t. Some bassists like to use it as a solo instrument and when mixed for that it sounds stellar, but Myung and most bassists are aware that their role in a band is to be the backbone, the floor for everyone else to stand upon. This mix really isn’t meant to be listened to isolated because it’s mixed so that it sits perfectly in the whole song and acts as that floor. Also in regard to sloppiness please remember Myung is playing at speeds with his fingers that give most picking guitarists a hand cramp, the man is a human and not a robot.
no Semantic Samuel, a good bass solo run sounds good to the ear and precise even without other instruments. check out guys like ryan martinie from Mudvayne who actually plays and masters the bass properly. I am not hating, but I don't like how people label John Myung as the best bassist just because he is in a prog metal Dream Theater (whose work is excellent due to John Petrucci's precise playing)
There are over 100 time signature changes in this song, many of those signatures are unusual like 7/16 or 15/8. I had a look at the bass and drum charts, makes you want to commit suicide.
sourcegamer101 The lower the note, the longer it takes for a plucked string to settle into resonance, so there's a tempo-independent delay between the fuzzy pluck you hear and the bass note coming in. That's my hypothesis.
Maybe it's just difficult to play the song, everyone here thinks john miung is a god but he's a normal human, and it's really hard to keep the tempo when you have that many time signatures
Dazer Gameplays 2.0 reloaded you are wrong, John myung is not human, he is an android from the future that has most of his computational powers devoted to an internal metronome.
Octavarium for me. This album's great, but the way people hold it so highly above the rest really baffles me tbh and I prefer Six Degrees. Also, what more is there than "high level of quality and quantity" exactly? You say "nothing more" like that isn't much
@@2501vai more than quality and quantity is colours, art, sound, pathos. Music. I loved DT and I'm sad about myself point of view, but I must face the truth: after Scenes, I lost my feelings with them.
I have ALL Studioalbums from DT. My favs are: - Images And Words (1992) - Awake (1994) - Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (2002) - Train Of Thought (2003) - A Dramatic Turn Of Events (2011) - Dream Theater (2013) - Distance Over Time (2019) - A View From The Top Of The World (2021)
Am I the only one who finds the solo confusing? It's the worst distortion, it has no definition so you can't hear it in the full song, it has no direction in terms of sounding like a music phrase, the melodic and rhythmic ideas are almost like a completely different bassist and one that plays with a pic no less.
I think that's my biggest problem with John Myung. He has the foundation there for great technical prowess, he just tries to focus on being fast instead of being accurate, and that is by far his biggest problem. he never from what I have seen, practices in a room playing stuff that sounds cool to him, the only thing he does is rudiments to make his play faster from what I hear and that's about it. If I'm totally off-base, then I don't understand how someone was so much foundation for a technically incredible playing style has been reduced so far to this. And that's my biggest problem he has all the foundations there yet he never uses it.
very sloppy, at faster bpm, you have to use pick to do a clean run on bass. this is why i hate any finger elitism discussion forum because it is a stupid attitude/ mental block preventing improvement.
This is the reason why JM bass is always "lost in the mix": how can you mix some shit like this? The sound engineer is forced to turn his volume down because bass is confused, with a lot of timing errors. And you can hear shit like this in many of JM isolated track you can find on UA-cam. If you don't believe me, listen to "On the back's of angel", "Fatal Tragedy" or whatever you want....even on a simple track like "Wither" he plays with wrong timing, with a very dirty sound and a shitty distorsion that seems played by a 20$ Behringer pedal. I'm talking to all the people that, like me, love DT: be honest! If you hear this track played by 16 years old boy in his bedroom, you'll say to him to play less notes, to play slower and to play better. Instead, this is the track played from a 35YO man, who make music for work, and who plays in band known for its technical ability. Think about it.
This isn't the real isolated track. Isolated tracks come from the files of Guitar Hero games where they obtain all the tracks and put them together. I don't think this song is in a Guitar Hero game therefore the track is unobtainable. Even then, parts of the song sound completely different. The intro uses a phaser and the solo doesn't have the same tone and distortion. It's most likely a person who learned the song and posted their version. So it is probably a 16 year old playing in his bedroom
You forgot that, some years ago, there was a site called "jammit", where you could purchase all DT backing tracks, divided into each single instrument. Jammit is now closed, but someone, who had bought all the tracks, put them on UA-cam and now they're available for everyone. And if you listen some of them (e.g. "Images and words" bass tracks) they surely are JM's, because you can hear the same tone he used at that time. So, I hope that you're right when you say that this is "a 16 year old playing in his bedroom". Maybe it is. But it's not impossibile that it could be the real JM, even if the tone seems different from the records because of the compression (this is a very low-quality audio); if you listen to all JM isolated tracks you can find on youtube, you can hear that they are played in the same way: dirty notes, wrong times, confusing sound, shitty distorsions.....
I can tell you honestly that no matter how old they were, and no matter what their playing was like, I would never be so rude as to tell them what style they have to play, or to "play better."
@@SSBane Every part? There are 20 yr old kids on youtube now that sound a lot cleaner playing this song... I used to play it as a warm up back in 2002 but i up until this video inever actually heard how the bass sounds isolated from the music.... and yess.. its sloppy.
Lyrics by John Myung.
"Next is the dance of eternity"
James Tulk he did the lyrics from trial of tears
3:09 3 Fingers Only.
Seriously, he’s one of the few bassists in the world that can play everything with 3 fingers which such consistency, most of 3 fingers players have to switch between 2 and 3.
Makes it way more difficult in progressive metal. The odd time signatures in DT makes some songs extremely confusing to play with 3 fingers, but John is just a master of it.
I want to see how many Progressive/Technical bass players that can play with his technique so perfectly.
Take a look into Felipe Andreoli's tracks ua-cam.com/video/Ar5TxkuSqjg/v-deo.html
@@rod-abreu yeah he switches between 2 and 3 fingers. Jhon only plays with 3 fingers wich is harder ( that was my point).
Felipe is still an amazing bass player but he's kinda drowned in the mix.
I went to Angra concert expecting a more present bass in the mix, but it was basically the same as the studio (enjoy it a lot anyway).
In contrast when I went to a DT concert it was imposible to not hear the bass.
Besides the fact that Jhon experiments way more with his instrument.
@@pempotfoy6206 also what is the point of making harder, if it sounds good and it's not necessary
Alessandro lotta?
Just practice it really, really slowly and deliberately. If you run through it at like 1/4-1/5 speed 10 times a day for like a month you’ll be able to play this
My favorite part - by far - has to be the confusing one.
Omuk oh, so basically you're refering to all of it, right?
Captain Pie Fox That’s the joke
Ian Prescott well i cant tell. every dream theater song is confusing to me
so everything bass-ically?
@@lexha4829 you are a genius
Bass tracks tend to sound that way, but when you mix them with the drum track, they sound perfect.
Been a music player and a mixer / mastering audio engineer are two totally different things. Amazing playing by John, this how bass sounds at that speed
Dream Theater Fans seem to be the only ones that don’t understand this. You go to the comments for Run to the Hills isolated bass and people are loving it over there. It’s just raw bass playing.
@@acog_quarks8753
Also metallicas cliff Burton gets a lot of hate from the uninitiated
So good! Very clean for an isolated bass track. I think the gain/distortion is the only thing making people think it's sloppy? This is an amazing performance!
He always has a killer tone regardless of album
3:09
aaaaaaaand this cover shall be postponed
Obviously!
This is the whole bass track, so (just like all isolated track you can find on UA-cam, even drums, guitar and keybord ones) this is not a single take, but there are several takes joined into one.
I have no doubts this was Myung but I think this was an alternate take because there are a couple missing parts from the master recording. Such as the use of phaser in the intro, plus when you download the stems, it sounds a little different in the mix.
3:38 sounds a bit like a truck idling.
Awsome track!!!!!!!
OH GOD YES!
Thx! Helps a lot for my practice
Bass can sound so cool. I hate that it has to sound like this to fit in a mix.
what?
@@pempotfoy6206 Sometimes to make things sit right in the overall mix they don't sound all that great isolated.
@@DweirdO18 I know, but the guy above says he hates this sound, when it is awesome
@@pempotfoy6206 It's a pretty shitty sound. No clarity, a nasty hum in the back, and the strings sound like they're over 10 years old
Thank you so much.
Fukin beautiful!!!!!!
People actually say that "Tommy the cat" and "YYZ" are the hardest songs to play on bass
Is it the rhythm changes or the technique? Iron Maiden's Invaders is extremely difficult to learn. If you stretched that out to 9 minutes and changed the time signatures a bit, would it be different?
@@DrJ-hx7wv I love that entire Number of the Beast album.
They're intermediate songs at best, friend.
1:41
1:42
Crisp/precise what it says on the tin Johnny
Sick!
whats the software you use for isolating the tracks?
how did you isolate this?
he didnt, he found it
Probably, this is a Jammit track.
Op possibly recorded themselves playing it
@@anfie2495 Nope this is the original isolated bass stem
Just a random clip of JM speaking
John is talented, but its hard to make out all the finger garble
Está música só é fácil pro Labrie. O resta se lasca nessa música
Capo!!!!
why can't I find isolated drums! :'
The world hates us bro
Actually this doesn't sound like an iso to me. It sounds programmed.
@@BrianBegnoche this is most definitely the iso
Juuuum... As a bass player... I think in his solo, bpm was increased... Sounded weird.
Where do people find this? There was also the isolated solo from "as i am" in John Petrucci website years ago....
Multitrack
if you didnt know the song it sounds like a guy just jamming in his room all over the place...writing all these parts however makes this style way past The Cars or The Beatles!
Is this the actual recording off the album (how do you do that?)? Something about this doesn't sound quite right. Not sure why. Maybe it's because I'm not a bass player and I'm just not used to hearing bass played solo like this. It...doesn't sound good. It's interesting, but it's not pleasant. It's not like listening to solo drums or guitar where even without the rest of the band it sounds good. It doesn't seem to have the same level of razor-sharp precision that you might expect from Myung, but maybe that's just how bass sounds?
I think that's just how isolated bass sounds. I've listened to several bass stems from many different bands and they all sound sort of "sloppy"
@@zurge278 They surely do.
Bass guitar is a funny thing in a full mix. Essentially the only frequency that a bass will cut through with is... well the bass. That’s why it sounds so muddy and blobby sometimes, because it’s so bass heavy. As a bassman myself I can tell you from personal experience that this particular track is played incredibly tight. It may sound sloppy but I can promise it isn’t. Some bassists like to use it as a solo instrument and when mixed for that it sounds stellar, but Myung and most bassists are aware that their role in a band is to be the backbone, the floor for everyone else to stand upon. This mix really isn’t meant to be listened to isolated because it’s mixed so that it sits perfectly in the whole song and acts as that floor.
Also in regard to sloppiness please remember Myung is playing at speeds with his fingers that give most picking guitarists a hand cramp, the man is a human and not a robot.
no Semantic Samuel, a good bass solo run sounds good to the ear and precise even without other instruments.
check out guys like ryan martinie from Mudvayne who actually plays and masters the bass properly.
I am not hating, but I don't like how people label John Myung as the best bassist just because he is in a prog metal Dream Theater (whose work is excellent due to John Petrucci's precise playing)
Wolf you fucking shook his hand??? YOU FUCKING SHOOK HIS HAAAAANNNND!!!!!! Daaaaaaang!!!!! I wish I could!
Why does most of it sound off-beat, like 4:20, or 5:16, even though it sounds so blended in with the song? Oh, and he hits a flat at 1:04 :D
There are over 100 time signature changes in this song, many of those signatures are unusual like 7/16 or 15/8. I had a look at the bass and drum charts, makes you want to commit suicide.
sourcegamer101 The lower the note, the longer it takes for a plucked string to settle into resonance, so there's a tempo-independent delay between the fuzzy pluck you hear and the bass note coming in. That's my hypothesis.
Maybe it's just difficult to play the song, everyone here thinks john miung is a god but he's a normal human, and it's really hard to keep the tempo when you have that many time signatures
Dazer Gameplays 2.0 reloaded you are wrong, John myung is not human, he is an android from the future that has most of his computational powers devoted to an internal metronome.
Did you hear the song?
The last great album from DT.
what about 6 degrees of inner turbulence? Masterpiece!
@@benbraybrooke5808 high livel of quality and quantity, but nothing more.
Octavarium for me. This album's great, but the way people hold it so highly above the rest really baffles me tbh and I prefer Six Degrees. Also, what more is there than "high level of quality and quantity" exactly? You say "nothing more" like that isn't much
@@2501vai more than quality and quantity is colours, art, sound, pathos. Music. I loved DT and I'm sad about myself point of view, but I must face the truth: after Scenes, I lost my feelings with them.
I have ALL Studioalbums from DT. My favs are:
- Images And Words (1992)
- Awake (1994)
- Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (2002)
- Train Of Thought (2003)
- A Dramatic Turn Of Events (2011)
- Dream Theater (2013)
- Distance Over Time (2019)
- A View From The Top Of The World (2021)
Very funny, 6 minutes of silence.
Am I the only one who finds the solo confusing? It's the worst distortion, it has no definition so you can't hear it in the full song, it has no direction in terms of sounding like a music phrase, the melodic and rhythmic ideas are almost like a completely different bassist and one that plays with a pic no less.
there are great bassists that use pics ex: dave "jr" ellefson but even then... he is using fingers
He has rhythmic dificulties I think
I agree with the distortion but the fact that it has minimal direction really fits the song. It's unique and that's what music should be
I think that's my biggest problem with John Myung. He has the foundation there for great technical prowess, he just tries to focus on being fast instead of being accurate, and that is by far his biggest problem. he never from what I have seen, practices in a room playing stuff that sounds cool to him, the only thing he does is rudiments to make his play faster from what I hear and that's about it. If I'm totally off-base, then I don't understand how someone was so much foundation for a technically incredible playing style has been reduced so far to this. And that's my biggest problem he has all the foundations there yet he never uses it.
it has no defintion so he can pull it off sloppy without you realising lol.
I cuould not be bassist in this band. This is a little bit chaos. Not sound like music only bass itself :-D
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@@theprogkid8807 ?
I think that John is a great bass player but this just sounds messy.
probably has something to do with how it was isolated in the program.
and you with music
Denis Geerts are you a dream theater listener, if yes, that's all you have to say? Is that what you have understood?
Denis Geerts i think he is far better that anyone on this thread all notes are played : no haze in his way of playing bass.
Well you dont know music
fretless bass ??
no
No, by far
very sloppy, at faster bpm, you have to use pick to do a clean run on bass.
this is why i hate any finger elitism discussion forum because it is a stupid attitude/ mental block preventing improvement.
This not sloppy lol
@@Vastilious are you even listening to this isolated track? or you just jump to comment? it is sloppy
Ini john myung bro, one of the best, lalu kau siapa?
This is the reason why JM bass is always "lost in the mix": how can you mix some shit like this? The sound engineer is forced to turn his volume down because bass is confused, with a lot of timing errors. And you can hear shit like this in many of JM isolated track you can find on UA-cam.
If you don't believe me, listen to "On the back's of angel", "Fatal Tragedy" or whatever you want....even on a simple track like "Wither" he plays with wrong timing, with a very dirty sound and a shitty distorsion that seems played by a 20$ Behringer pedal.
I'm talking to all the people that, like me, love DT: be honest! If you hear this track played by 16 years old boy in his bedroom, you'll say to him to play less notes, to play slower and to play better.
Instead, this is the track played from a 35YO man, who make music for work, and who plays in band known for its technical ability.
Think about it.
This isn't the real isolated track. Isolated tracks come from the files of Guitar Hero games where they obtain all the tracks and put them together. I don't think this song is in a Guitar Hero game therefore the track is unobtainable. Even then, parts of the song sound completely different. The intro uses a phaser and the solo doesn't have the same tone and distortion. It's most likely a person who learned the song and posted their version. So it is probably a 16 year old playing in his bedroom
You forgot that, some years ago, there was a site called "jammit", where you could purchase all DT backing tracks, divided into each single instrument.
Jammit is now closed, but someone, who had bought all the tracks, put them on UA-cam and now they're available for everyone. And if you listen some of them (e.g. "Images and words" bass tracks) they surely are JM's, because you can hear the same tone he used at that time.
So, I hope that you're right when you say that this is "a 16 year old playing in his bedroom". Maybe it is.
But it's not impossibile that it could be the real JM, even if the tone seems different from the records because of the compression (this is a very low-quality audio); if you listen to all JM isolated tracks you can find on youtube, you can hear that they are played in the same way: dirty notes, wrong times, confusing sound, shitty distorsions.....
I can tell you honestly that no matter how old they were, and no matter what their playing was like, I would never be so rude as to tell them what style they have to play, or to "play better."
... sloppy...
what part of it is sloppy
@@SSBane Every part? There are 20 yr old kids on youtube now that sound a lot cleaner playing this song... I used to play it as a warm up back in 2002 but i up until this video inever actually heard how the bass sounds isolated from the music.... and yess.. its sloppy.
@@stratrovarius It's created for the mix. If you take dry sound that "sounds cool" and try to fit in the mix you will have a big problem
@@stratrovarius And do those 20 year old kids play with a backing track or unaccompanied?
That's what it sounds like when you're spanking the strings. It's not as clean as it could be, but imho sounds way better this way for this genre.
People actually say that "Tommy the cat" and "YYZ" are the hardest songs to play on bass
And then there's everything by Yes... :)
Ive been playing bass for... 1 year and 4 month, and i learned yyz in 1 day just hearing
dude tommy the cat is super hard
Yyz is kinda easy. The hardest part for me was that “main riff pattern”
I can play the parts of YYZ, but getting them up to speed is hard. Tommy the Cat though? No, that deserves to be called truly challenging.