Envisioning Imagination - Roger Penrose, Carlo Rovelli and Conrad Shawcross with Fatos Ustek
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2023
- Imagination is the creative force for artists. But what about mathematicians and scientists? What part does imagination play in their work? What do the artist and the scientist have in common? And how do they envision things that will never be seen?
In this panel discussion two scientists and one artist, all leaders in their field, will try to provide an answer. They have more in common than you would think.
Nobel-prize winning scientist Roger Penrose is Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor in Oxford. Carlo Rovelli is a Professor in the Centre de Physique Théorique de Luminy of Aix-Marseille Université and the author of several popular science books including 'Seven Brief Lesson on Physics'. Conrad Shawcross is an artist specialising in mechanical sculptures based on philosophical and scientific ideas. His exhibition, 'Cascading Principles', is currently showing in the Mathematical Institute.
The discussion is chaired by curator and writer Fatos Ustek who is the curator of the 'Cascading Principles' exhibition.
The Oxford Mathematics Public Lectures and the Conrad Shawcross Exhibition are generously supported by XTX Markets.
I enjoyed Conrad's talk and art. He is so humble but his creations are marvelous. Art from light is the ultimate form.
Peculiarly artist-like, not robot-like, not dull grey reductionist nerds, these two physicists are the poets and philosophers of physics!
I mean, that feels like most of them once you're really "in it." Mathematics and physics are art~
Art and philosophy good, robots and nerds bad, got it!
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@@Junksaint Acute good, obtuse bad, got it!
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the world makes its own sense, and the moment we think we got it all down, it makes us, changing our minds.
Fantastic !!!!! Thank you for posing this Video, your guests were amazing. Roger is my favorite Physicist!!!! Each person was spectacular.!!
conrad work is a complete understanding of the subject
This will be a great topic. Imagination…your mind’s eye…I’d say mastering it is important for a lot of endeavors. It’s an important tool in the toolbox.
that's a great piece of artwork
Wonderful!!
Expecting to be amazing
Wow this will be great
Fantastic Professor Penrose!!!
Rozer Sir need ur classes .. I wanna learn Theoretical Physics again.. I couldn't complete so well in school. Now that I am retired I have all the time to ...
the ironic thing is that i think ideas from loopqg, twister theory and string theory come together in the theory of the emergence of the universe and the emergent structure of the universe, but embodied in a kind of physical infinite regress. so spin networks are really important because forces are mediated by shifting around angular momentum, twisters are really important because a subsystem is defined by the stuff passing through it at all times and scales, string theory is important because the most fundamental construction that emerges in nature are the real versions of the ring singularities found in kerr black holes, so ultimately the solution is very diplomatic. string theory is a bit special because it has all this work done in its name on the broader topic, one very cool thing is that all the work done to try to use dynamics in extra dimensions to explain the modes corresponding to the standard model will come in handy in explaining the kind of structures in the emergent vacuum's causal structure that correspond to different fermions. bosons are a bit different but that might be a better story for another time.
the singularity in the blackhole is time, the fabric of the black hole is space, the cosmos/radiation is positionality
In this speculative scenario, let's consider Leibniz's Monad (first emanation of God), from the philosophical work "The Monadology", as an abstract representation of the zero-dimensional space that binds quarks together with the Strong Nuclear Force:
1) Indivisibility and Unity: Monads, as indivisible entities, mirror the nature of quarks, which are deemed elementary and indivisible particles in our theoretical context. Just as monads possess unity and indivisibility, quarks are unified in their interactions through the Strong Nuclear Force.
2) Interconnectedness: In the Monadology, monads are interconnected in a vast network. In a parallel manner, the interconnectedness of quarks through the strong force could be metaphorically represented by the interplay of monads, forming a web that holds particles together.
3) Inherent Properties: Just as monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions, quarks could be thought of as having intrinsic properties like color charge, reflecting the inherent qualities of monads and influencing their interactions.
4) Harmony: The concept of monads contributing to universal harmony resonates with the idea that the Strong Nuclear Force maintains harmony within atomic nuclei by counteracting the electromagnetic repulsion between protons, allowing for the stability of matter.
5) Pre-established Harmony: Monads' pre-established harmony aligns with the idea that the strong force was pre-designed to ensure stable interactions among quarks, orchestrating their behavior in a way that parallels the harmony envisaged by Leibniz.
6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Monads interact non-mechanically, mirroring the non-mechanical interactions of quarks through gluon exchange. This connection might be seen as a metaphorical reflection of the intricacies of quark-gluon dynamics.
7) Holism: The holistic perspective of monads could symbolize how quarks, like the monads' interconnections, contribute holistically to the structure and behavior of particles through the strong force interactions.
em·a·na·tion
noun
an abstract but perceptible thing that issues or originates from a source.
Metaphysics
Context
The monad, the word and the idea, belongs to the Western philosophical tradition and has been used by various authors. Leibniz, who was exceptionally well-read, could not have ignored this, but he did not use it himself until mid-1696 when he was sending for print his New System.
Apparently he found with it a convenient way to expound his own philosophy as it was elaborated in this period. What he proposed can be seen as a modification of occasionalism developed by latter-day Cartesians. Leibniz surmised that there are indefinitely many substances individually 'programmed' to act in a predetermined way, each substance being coordinated with all the others.
This is the pre-established harmony which solved the mind-body problem, but at the cost of declaring any interaction between substances a mere appearance.
Summary
The rhetorical strategy adopted by Leibniz in The Monadology is fairly obvious as the text begins with a description of monads (proceeding from simple to complicated instances),
then it turns to their principle or creator and
finishes by using both to explain the world.
(I) As far as Leibniz allows just one type of element in the building of the universe his system is monistic. The unique element has been 'given the general name monad or entelechy' and described as 'a simple substance' (§§1, 19). When Leibniz says that monads are 'simple,' he means that "which is one, has no parts and is therefore indivisible".
Relying on the Greek etymology of the word entelechie (§18), Leibniz posits quantitative differences in perfection between monads which leads to a hierarchical ordering. The basic order is three-tiered:
(1) entelechies or created monads (§48),
(2) souls or entelechies with perception and memory (§19), and
(3) spirits or rational souls (§82).
Whatever is said about the lower ones (entelechies) is valid for the higher (souls and spirits) but not vice versa. As none of them is without a body (§72), there is a corresponding hierarchy of
(1) living beings and animals
(2), the latter being either non-reasonable or reasonable.
The degree of perfection in each case corresponds to cognitive abilities and only spirits or reasonable animals are able to grasp the ideas of both the world and its creator. Some monads have power over others because they can perceive with greater clarity, but primarily, one monad is said to dominate another if it contains the reasons for the actions of other(s). Leibniz believed that any body, such as the body of an animal or man, has one dominant monad which controls the others within it. This dominant monad is often referred to as the soul.
(II) God is also said to be a simple substance (§47) but it is the only one necessary (§§38-9) and without a body attached (§72). Monads perceive others "with varying degrees of clarity, except for God, who perceives all monads with utter clarity". God could take any and all perspectives, knowing of both potentiality and actuality. As well as that God in all his power would know the universe from each of the infinite perspectives at the same time, and so his perspectives-his thoughts-"simply are monads". Creation is a permanent state, thus "[monads] are generated, so to speak, by continual fulgurations of the Divinity" (§47). Any perfection comes from being created while imperfection is a limitation of nature (§42). The monads are unaffected by each other, but each have a unique way of expressing themselves in the universe, in accordance with God's infinite will.
(III) Composite substances or matter are "actually sub-divided without end" and have the properties of their infinitesimal parts (§65). A notorious passage (§67) explains that "each portion of matter can be conceived as like a garden full of plants, or like a pond full of fish. But each branch of a plant, each organ of an animal, each drop of its bodily fluids is also a similar garden or a similar pond". There are no interactions between different monads nor between entelechies and their bodies but everything is regulated by the pre-established harmony (§§78-9). Much like how one clock may be in synchronicity with another, but the first clock is not caused by the second (or vice versa), rather they are only keeping the same time because the last person to wind them set them to the same time. So it is with monads; they may seem to cause each other, but rather they are, in a sense, "wound" by God's pre-established harmony, and thus appear to be in synchronicity. Leibniz concludes that "if we could understand the order of the universe well enough, we would find that it surpasses all the wishes of the wisest people, and that it is impossible to make it better than it is-not merely in respect of the whole in general, but also in respect of ourselves in particular" (§90).
In his day, atoms were proposed to be the smallest division of matter. Within Leibniz's theory, however, substances are not technically real, so monads are not the smallest part of matter, rather they are the only things which are, in fact, real. To Leibniz, space and time were an illusion, and likewise substance itself. The only things that could be called real were utterly simple beings of psychic activity "endowed with perception and appetite."
The other objects, which we call matter, are merely phenomena of these simple perceivers. "Leibniz says, 'I don't really eliminate body, but reduce [revoco] it to what it is. For I show that corporeal mass [massa], which is thought to have something over and above simple substances, is not a substance, but a phenomenon resulting from simple substances, which alone have unity and absolute reality.' (G II 275/AG 181)" Leibniz's philosophy is sometimes called "'panpsychic idealism' because these substances are psychic rather than material". That is to say, they are mind-like substances, not possessing spatial reality. "In other words, in the Leibnizian monadology, simple substances are mind-like entities that do not, strictly speaking, exist in space but that represent the universe from a unique perspective." It is the harmony between the perceptions of the monads which creates what we call substances, but that does not mean the substances are real in and of themselves.
(IV) Leibniz uses his theory of Monads to support his argument that we live in the best of all possible worlds. He uses his basis of perception but not interaction among monads to explain that all monads must draw their essence from one ultimate monad. He then claims that this ultimate monad would be God because a monad is a “simple substance” and God is simplest of all substances, He cannot be broken down any further. This means that all monads perceive “with varying degrees of perception, except for God, who perceives all monads with utter clarity”.
This superior perception of God then would apply in much the same way that he says a dominant monad controls our soul, all other monads associated with it would, essentially, shade themselves towards Him. With all monads being created by the ultimate monad and shading themselves in the image of this ultimate monad, Leibniz argues that it would be impossible to conceive of a more perfect world because all things in the world are created by and imitating the best possible monad.
@@ready1fire1aim1 you know someone is talking bollocks when the word god turns up , no evidence whatsoever , its theology not philosophy .
@@ready1fire1aim1 You must have a deep understanding of Leibnizs works. I also have an interest on his.
thank u
Thinking visualy, since the Vertasium Knot theroy video Ive been making knot loops from 4mm chord which holds it shape over ~ 5cm allowing 3 dimendions to be played with, its a great way to see left hand and right hand .Who would swim in a canal when you've seen rotifer.where will all the heat go, if the cosmic background is above 0kelvin then is the final temperature of teh universe greater than temperatures we can experimentaly reach.Suggestion that atomic clocks are extreemely precise, bit vauge, need units related to absolute multiverse time.We don't know big from small. I need to scratch my armpit now because im a monkey.
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Imagine modern Manna (incorruptible milk) .
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The reason those theory don't work is because you expect space the vacuum to be part of your creation, but this is the mistake. Separate the infinite ♾️ vacuum space, from what we see in that space. These are 2 different properties entirely and should be kept apart. The only time the 2 interact is when the EMFS is formed. The forming of thee EMFS tells us that an interaction between these 2 properties has occurred. Now the interaction happens because it's the E (vibration) of the infinite ♾️ space that provides the E from which the EMFS can form. Once this interaction occurs the first stars are formed. Now these first stars are of pure hydrogen and the result is a fast burning star that's pure that once spent leave Blacksphere in place. This is how the EMFS is maintained and the development of galacty is created from these spheres. This is why we don't see new Blacksphere being born today, the purity is gone. So the result is different from the starting position. After helium is introduced, the stars that are formed inside the original EMFS are always different than the first as the purity is reduced. So, at the original starting position is where the 2 great theories are introduced. Now it's not well received that gravity doesn't actually exist. Regardless of the smallest possible length to the largest possible point in the vacuum all mass retains the vacuums mass which is 0Msquared, No Gravity whatsoever. It's charge that created what we see. The E or charge is a direct result of the introduction at the starting position. The vacuum is the source of this Energy that provides the charge at the first position. Singularity are not the cause they are the result of the first interaction in the infinite vacuum space. Blacksphere, VEM =0Msquared is the answer to the question. Peace ✌️
I'm not a mathematician but all those mathematicians who explicitly claim that mathematics is divorced from reality and has no pragmatic valence do much harm and give math a bad name which in my opinion is impermissible because from outside sources all mathematics is experiential starting with arithmetic. no synthetic judgments a priori. look into the book arithmetic and humanity and the four fundamental images of arithmetic or the order of the nine angles and infernal geometry or more aptly those wicked geometers of the left hand path in the scientists grimoire by peter j. caroll
ok im 2 minutes in. STOP MOVING YOUR HANDS!!!!!!
They found Greek text with elliptical equations in churches because papers was recycled.
I really wish it were just Roger talking here... everything else is just rubbish