Roger Penrose and Hannah Fry
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2018
- Oxford Mathematics London Public Lecture: Roger Penrose - To a physicist I am a mathematician; to a mathematician, a physicist
In our Oxford Mathematics London Public Lecture Roger Penrose, in conversation with Mathematician and broadcaster Hannah Fry, reveals his latest research, a veritable chain reaction of universes, which he says has been backed by evidence of events that took place before the Big Bang.
With Conformal Cyclic Cosmology he argues that, instead of a single Big Bang, the universe cycles from one aeon to the next. Each universe leaves subtle imprints on the next when it pops into being. Energy can burst through from one universe to the next, at what he calls ‘Hawking points.’
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Well into his 80's and still a radical leading edge force in science to deal with cos he is a true scientist in my book - massive kudos to Sir Roger and LONG may he live :)
>still a radical leading edge force in science
Like what?
I think Penrose is in his 90s, don’t quote me.
@ja565hr Why would you embarrass yourself with such a stupid comment? Seriously, just what was the point of making that comment? It just makes you look bad
I know Penrose is a very serious Physicist and Mathematician. He made great contributions in the past. As for his present work, I'm not aware of it really being leading edge. That's why I asked? As should be obvious...
And as for it being WAY over my head. 1. Why would that be your take of my "Like what?" lol... And 2. I've studied physics and maths at a university level, including reading part of one of his physics books, and using concepts that were introduced by him. So it's not unfathomable for me to understand it.
@@PedroTricking Now he has a Nobel
@@pinball1970 Yeah, as a penrose fanboy I was super excited about it! :D It feels like he's one of the few nobels whose work I have some degree of familiarity with.
His theories become more fascinating the more I learn about them. Thank you for posting 👍
Love to hear the "many worlds" interpretation take a well-deserved knock or two. His visual intuition is the most useful way to understand any of this stuff. Very cool!
Wonderful. Sir Roger is one of my heroes. Thanks for sharing.
He gets to win noble prize later on for physics in 2020
🌻 Beautiful and humbling line:
"It's alright to be crazy, But, you have got to be careful that they're (the ideas presented) not in conflict with well established physical facts.
And, I think that a lot of people don't take that part of it into consideration."
- Roger Penrose
If one plus one is not two then it’s not.
This man will go down in history as one of the greatest ever English minds
Who else shows diagrams explaining physics like he does in lectures? And he doesn't back down if he senses bullshit
One of the greatest Western minds of the 20th-21st century period.
I think Roger Penrose is the greatest, for me he's number one and I'm disappointed I haven't met him in person
This is a very interesting idea!! Will do some reading up on your work!
Thanks for sharing this video!!
💖💖💖 amazing. tnx alot!!! long live pro roger! 💞🍃🍂🍁
Our own black hole infinite time and power❤❤🎉🎉
Awwww shucks I miss the old overhead projector. Bring it back yo!
Superb
Thankyou
Penrose starts at 4:18
Thanks for saving time!
I'm not sure why Hannah interviewed him. I was hoping to hear Roger answering questions about CCC.
Two clever people.
A conversation between john lennox and roger penrose would be awesome
Roger Penrose is why I’m here. Hanna Fry is interesting on her own terms. Together they are a pleasure.
Brilliant man, what else can you say. Hannah Fry is no slouch either.
I do like the word “exponentional.”
M.C Escher's symbol, is somehow an analogy to the Life-Unit-Principle.
The Contrast-Principle and the Perspective-Principle, are the two Eternal 'legs' that makes Feeling into Sensing.
Intelligence is also a Eternal basic-Ability, but what would it be without the Perspective-Principle, which can be translated into, all relations relationships, this is the most basic for the Eternal Mathematic.
Q; Is Gravity a Force or a Effect ?
The Life-Desire are the Motor of the Eternal Life,
in direct extension We have the Will (Life-side) and the Gravity (Stuff-side).
With the Will We do balance the Gravity of Earth, with our own, when We lift the cup.
If I'd heard it right, Q; 'is Time infinite' ?
The so called physical universe is a Motion-Ocean, pure Motion, presenting the Stuff-side,
Time is the 'Shadow' Effect of Motion.
The Stuff-side is Eternal, No beginning, No ending.
Amount of time is compare/according to other amount of Time.
In reality, Time do only exists in the mind of the Living Beings.
Q; Dark matter/energy ?
The Stuff-side is eternal creation, Motion, - Heat and Cold are the two 'legs' that all and any Stuff 'walk' on, the basic of electricity, which appear as Light. Every thing is made of Light, Space and Matter, it is the contrast between less light and more light that make less light seems as dark.
A candle that can light up a dark room, seems dark in the mid-day sun.
I like the theory but my question is: How does mass REAPPEAR in the next eon?
Also wouldnt each EON after EON be more and more diluted when it comes to amount of energy present?
The energy is conserved in the massless particles. The rest is the common big bang history
According to his drawings... which I may not fully understand...
The infinite expansion at the end of one eon is identical in size to the infinitely small beginning of the next one. All the energy of the previous eon is present in the Big Bang of the next eon.
At least... that's how it looks since he has linked infinitely large with infinitesimally small.
@@seanehle8323 Yes, but the infinitely large has only photons and other such massless particles and time is not a part of their realm. photons do not experience time. (Neither would you if you travelled that fast and were massless. You would be eternal.) Time and space become the same thing. Time for the Universe is a function of mass moving through space. If there is no mass, then there is no space. That is, space becomes infinitely small. That's where the next Big Bang comes from. I think that's what he's saying.
Where’s the Hannah Fry Christmas lecture? 😢
It won't be available I am afraid
"It's *_really_* hard to bore a photon." - Sir Roger Penrose 😎
#AwarenessConsciousness
In our limited brains everything has a beginning. Well, maybe we’re wrong.
Sir Rogers comments on rote learning as opposed to understanding and free thinking are very insightful - some subjects are just a big memory test - e.g. I studied chemistry and the amount of parrot fashion regurgitation needed to be successful in exams was laughable. I succeeded, but hated having to put up with it.
Rote? That’s laughable. Sorry to say no , and No emphatically.
@@brendawilliams8062 I'm talking about my personal experience 50 years ago. So how can you possibly refute what I said. Every idiot can have an opinion it doesn't make you right and me wrong. You're laughable!
seems like every mathematician love mc escher
Penrose said it, Lamba it is. (Ha! Lamba wasn't in my auto-correct dictionary!)
*Lambda
and now a laureate!
55:53 The betrayal of all Britannia.
Wasn't Einstein so wrong..
Hannah, Roger, you're both Brits. What's this math of which you speak?
Should say on a serious note that this was a damn good conversation. Fry gives a good example of interview technique, short pertinent questions and always gave Penrose the time to answer without interruption.
Penrose is always delightful. For anyone interested he is guest on the new year edition of Sean Carroll's Mindscape podcast, available on YT.
Creeping Americanisation is all around us I'm afraid. Depressing to find that even highly intelligent people are susceptible.
My college professor told me that the bombing of Hiroshima had no effect on the environment
Was he/she an engineer?
If it strobed lighted the dance floor it sent some energy moving.
Beltrami's hypergeometric geometrical representation of the universe shows infinity compliments the finite just as benevolence and malevolence coexist. AHOY HEGEL !!!
CCC, or in other graphical terms, the stratified image of the omnipresent modulation mechanism quantization, is superimposed coherent multi-phase states of timing, (which is what we see phase-locked into the Elements of the Periodic Table, composites of condensed "Ideal Gas" QM properties of primes and cofactors coordinated by Polar-Cartesian connection-Superspin).., and so is the self-defining calculation process of all substantiation of phenomena including Mathematics. "The rest is commentary". Including the crazy stuff, ..turbulence.
It's a variation on a theme like, "who judges the judges?" or how do you test the principle is the basic Principle with the same principle?, particularly if the unscientific objective is "paid" to ignore it.
It's turtles all the way down, infinite regression model of stratified coherent modulation in holographic image projection drawing, ..fractal-tangency in QM-Timing-spacing.
A Cosmological Constant, requiring an Eternal/Infinite "point of reference", is the Central Limit/Eternal-boundary of Temporal Superposition-point Singularity 1-0 Central Limit Eternity-now Duration of the Quantum Operator Condition/Modulation by certainty uncertainty.., potential possibilities of probable Phys-Chem connection-> Universe.
Or, "One Electron" Theory is an interpretation of the Superspin Superposition-point Singularity, by which sync-certainty is turned and de-tuned insideout to maximum uncertainty of Quantum Dualism Fields Modulation Mechanism of QM-TIMESPACE.., pure math-timing.
A technical view of A-theism would imply that the practitioner has no theological comprehension of circumstances or reverses the attribution of cause-effect, but it's more likely that they have an implied Agnosticism (don't know) and regard circumstances with a theo-retical framework of probabilities in potential possibilities, in practice. Ie, it's almost impossible to view the Universe as an abstraction, devoid of personal, (theological/I Am/focused-distributed resonant Self, or Singularity type internal boundary), connectivity/awareness bias, ..and naturally occurring indefinite attribution of cause-effect.., ie particularly in the bio-logical context. Ie how "Awake" are we?
The projection of an external existence relies on drawing out personal experience, establishing order from chaos.., in which you could say that the scientific studies of Math-Phys-Chem philosophically, represent the form-function formulae of QM-Time Unitary connection.
*****
Euler's Intuitions of e-Pi-i omnidirectional-dimensional logarithmic "Superspin" condensation modulation cause-effect focused here-now-forever.., is the topological story of CCC focused here-now-forever or in reciprocal connection vanishing-into-no-thing, parallel coexistence time-timing meeting at instantaneous trancendental i-reflection Infinity, ..superimposed Bose-Einsteinian Condensation = Conception of real-time relative-timing sum-of-all-histories meaning.
The Universe is a "Lensing" of re-evolution relative-timing differentiates, integrated metastability that is composed of resonance in decaying proportions, (half-life duration), because it's all about the Conservation Laws in the standing wave modulation of instantaneous reciprocation-recirculation 1-0-infinity probability range.
You can ask questions at Huygens Optics channel about Lensing orientation-observation and foci of self-defining time-timing sync-duration positioning integration interference "fringing", and 3BLUE 1BROWN channel series about the 2-ness picture-plane density-intensity containment of function in e-Pi-i infinitesimal Calculus.
Time for a lie-down now dear.
@David Wilkie - Wow...that is exactly what I've always thought! I never said anything because I figured everyone already knew it.
@@nickmiller76not with your type
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Red headed tigress.. dang...
So after mankind disappears from the universe, God then is going to sit around twiddling His thumbs for a googleplex of years watching black holes evaporate one virtual particle at a time? Does God have anything better to do?
Interesting point. Maybe "a googleplex of years" is really no time at all if you're God?
Does he have mass?
@@brendawilliams8062 I do not know but the Roman Catholics do have mass though I am not one of them..
@@soteriology1012 😂 when worlds collide
I kinda am drawn to the way he's trying to use visuals to show how his various 'tricks' can work in order to get out of the pickle that physics - and probably mathematics - finds itself in. It's almost like the answer is not even needed because we've been fooled. You can't exactly see what lies beyond way over there for whatever reason, but you can still see or at least understand that it's there and that it's causing whole heaps of issues. And it's obviously bothering him, and me. Go Penrose! Damn the doubters and their conformist minds.
He said one interesting thing 'non-local'...the rest for the birds.
"To mathematicians he's a physicist; to physicists, he's a mathematician."
So both groups are each trying to foist him on the other? lol
Ever the fate of original thinkers.
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Could be those 2 have overlaps? But I believe mathematics to be more universal.
The discussion is concerning both so the Nobel was for which one?
Penrose is without doubt a genius but Fry's comment that he has had an impact on AI is nonsense. He wrote a book detailing his musings on the possibility of artificial consciousness which has fuck all to do with artificial intelligence.
Chemistry and electricity have to be considered in the picture. Where are the experiments conducted primarily? It is a very multi leveled endeavor. I believe he conveys that.
What is he to a milkman?
A customer?
I don't know you tell me, milkman
Roger Penrose CREATION is a fact and evolution is a hypotheses. This universe has a Originator and a Creator. Without a Creator this universe can't come in existence.
The universe speaks about a Creator. Try to realise this fact.
You are in last age of your life and soon you will experience physical law which is quite different from the physical laws of this universe.
Almighty Allah bless you. With best wishes. Thanks
ISLAM IS FOR ALL HUMANITY
Almighty Allah says:
و ما ارسلناک إلا رحمة للعالمين
We sent thee not,but as a mercy for the all worlds.(for all creatures).
There is no question now of race or nation of a " chosen people" or the seed of Abraham or the " seed of David"; of Jew or Gentile, Arab or non--Arab, European or African, White or Coloured etc.
Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is mercy for all.
To all men and women on the world without any exception.
The principles universally apply.
LO ! RELIGION WITH ALLAH IS ISLAM
إن الدين عند الله الإسلام و من يبتغ غير الإسلام دينا فلن يقبل منه o
Islam is دين الله (Way of Life given by Allah). How mankind should live in this world. It is not made by Muslim. It direct or has it's root in Qur'an and authentic حدیث (sayings of Prophet) Therefore Islamic laws are in broader intersts of all being. Islamic laws are better than any other man made laws of any country.
Problem of Europe is that it does not understand / realise this fact. They think that theirs laws are better than Islamic laws.
Almighty Allah says :
The revelation of the Book is from Allah,the Mighty, the Wise.
Lo! We have revealed the Book unto them (Mohammad) with truth; so worship Allah,making the دين (Deen) pure for Him (only).
Surely pure Deen is for Allah only
(Qur'an,39:1-3)
Kindly make your mind clear that the the mankind is created by Almighty Allah -- the Master Creator.
We have to study and research the Holy Qur'an sincerely. It is in broader interests of mankind.
Follow Islam to make your life better in this world and in Hereafter.
O Allah show us the right path of Islam.
" The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go stray".
(Qur'an, 1:7)
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You're wrong there. Islam, as Mohammad preached it, never forced the faith on the people.
Western laws are better because they focus on the freedoms of each individual. Thus each individual has their own responsibility to live as they want to. Faith is stronger this way, because it is rooted in the free will of its bearers.
Google secular muslims. See how they reason secular law to be more consistent with Mohammed's teachings.
I wanted to understand numbers. I can live my beliefs personally in my lifetime. This is a classroom and not a voting booth.
Like Einstein, Penrose doesn't have a clue as to how the Universe exists, and "Why We Are Here"...pity...! Neither Math nor Physics, or both can and will EVER explain it all...!
at least he knows that he doesn't know.
How can you possibly know that?
Humans, including Penrose, have been and are stuck at about 5/6 (or most 6) on a scale of 0 to 10 of what they ARE capable of KNOWING/UNDERSTANDING of Who We Truly Are, and Why... AND the Existence of the Universe...period! When one can Transcend the Human mind to experience the Oneness of the Universe (or simply No-Thingness, or Brahman, or the Presence of God within...), one CAN then understand how the Universe exist as being Eternal and Infinite. There IS no guess work then, or incorrect or fake theories that have plagued Humanity so far in our Existence. Penrose knows ONLY what the mind is capable of explaining... pity.! Lao Tzu also stated 600BC to 500BC: 'To the mind that is still, the whole Universe surrenders', and that is absolutely TRUE. Katha Upanishad 1:3:10-11 also talk about The GOAL (incorrectly to a certain extent...) about 'Transcendence and 'nothing', etc. ...! Humans, including you and Penrose, and 99.99% of the rest, have a lot yet to learn...!
@@lloydarmogan5147 imo such things, that is, virtually(no pun) everything(consciousness/existence itself/physics/meta-physics/philosophy/theology & even PSI etc) can be(& already are) united under singular scientific(mostly) paradigms via Idealistic flavored VR models such as Tom Campbell's MBT.
@@lloydarmogan5147 Yes, I too have Transcended the Human mind to experience the Oneness of the universe. It has lead me to a great and marvelous holy secret of the new type of matter that regular people cannot experience. This eternal and sublime matter does not interact with mundane lesser forces of the lower frequency physical world, thus no human experiments can truly discover it and its unifying properties. Since it does not interact with any of the grosser material matter or forces, I have thus come to call it, to as best my lower human facilities can express, by the name "Doesn't Matter".
Women and logic don't compute. As much as I like Dr. Penrose, there are better discussions to stimulate the male mind ;)
So edgy Joe. Such an edgy man you grew up to be. Congratulations.