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Kyokushin Karate vs Muay Thai 1964
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2023
- In Lumpinee Stadium in 1964 there were three bouts between Kyokushin fighters and Muay Thai fighters. All three ended in Knock-out, the score 2-1 in favour of the Japanese fighters.
Interestingly you can see the Japanese fighters find a lot of success using Judo throwing techniques, in addition to their striking. Crosstraining Judo and Karate was not unusual during this time.
The first fight in this video is between Akio Fujihira and Huafai Lukcontai.
The second fight in this video, which was chronologically the last of the three in real life, is between Rawee Dechachai and Kenji Kurosaki.
I could sadly not find footage of the missing third fight of this historic event. Please let me know if you find footage of this missing fight.
This footage is not mine. I've just clipped the footage to make it easier to watch and analyze this historic event. I'm also trusting Wikipedia and the uploaders of the videos to have accurate information and facts, but without more trustworthy sources there is a chance names and dates in this video can be wrong.
It's interesting to see the aproach of kyokushin fighters back in the day. The judo techniques aparently were a big part of their fighting plan, and aparently it was pretty effective
Long time ago, my Judo teacher was training in Japan at that time. He told me that when Thai boxers showed up in Japan, non of Karate player could stood up to them, only a Judo practitioner was able to throw the Thai boxer down and place a hold on him. That iwas probably what got the Japanese challengers to train in Judo for their Thai boxing challenge. Also, modern Thai Boxers have good throwing techniques now. Nothing wrong with inter exchange of knowledge, this is how things grow.
Japan should Praise Brazil because they represented Karate very well in Kickboxing and UFC, Brazilians are soo Tough.
Francisco Filho Diamond of Karate Absolutely Demolish Ernesto Hoost and Peter Aerts Champions of Muay Thai.
Karate Guys have good Grappling too look at GSP started in Karate but evolved his Grappling too much.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lhgsp did bjj too and probably wrestling
When I was growing up in Korea in the 1960s I remember the Japanese kids (few of us were full blooded as most of us were the kids of U.S. servicemen) often learned Judo before they learned Karate as Judo was still considered very Japanese. In those days, the shuto was considered a "Judo chop", and it also had punches and kicks. There was no notion of "cross training"; it was just considered common sense that the more different things you knew the better you could be. I remember most of the Korean TKD guys would jump at the chance to learn western boxing if the opportunity arose.
I recall sparring with kickboxers back in the 80’s. My mid level Judo abilities were so superior to kickboxing that I wrote it off as an ineffective system for decades. It was ridiculously easy to clinch, throw them and then submit them on the ground that I actually believed kickboxing was pathetic. That said Muay Thai is a bit different, but it wasn’t around much back then in Australia. This was of course a mistake to dismiss kickboxing, as it would have been better to have both skills, but we didn’t know this back then.
Yes and now Andrew Tate believes that only boxing makes sense. Anyway in friendly sparring it takes a cold hearted person to just kick someone in the head with all their might whereas in grappling you have to go 100% to take someone down unless they are 100 pounds lighter. So what tends to happen is the striker throws tip-tap strikes not wanting to hurt the other guy and eventually the distance is closed.
Most people Do Not realize that Karate had other elements than kicking & punching. It was a 'martial' art. Funakoshi watered it down for Sport and exercise.
Most people do not realise that karate is a grappling based art
観て、つくづく感じるのは、｢相手の土俵で闘ってはダメ｣だということ。
顔面あり、グローブ使用だと、打撃技はムエタイのほうが数段上。 日本人選手は投げ技しか使えない。
仕方ないですね、このルールだと。 しかし、それを承知でムエタイに挑んだ極真会の人達の勇気と求道心は素晴らしいと思います。
最初は素手でやる話が現地で変更されたらしいですね。
空手の３人目は中村忠(Tadashi Nakamura)さんです。
黒崎さんは出場予定はありませんでしたが
現地で急遽出場する事になったそうです
Salute to Kyokushin💪
Should this be titled, "Kyokushin Karate + Judo vs Muay Thai 1964"?
Technically yeah, but they mixed their throwing arts of judo in kyokoshin which is also called kudo
no? In fact, in every style of karate there are takedown techniques
Throws are in Kyokushin casual. Face it, Muay Thai got exposed here for its lack of grappling.
@@matheusantunes3078 Well then, the question I have is this: Does the traditional curriculum of Kyokushin Karate have any sparring / live training which involves grappling (like how the traditional curriculums of BJJ and Judo have sparring which involves grappling)?
@@kesenaememere8520 Re: “Face it, Muay Thai got exposed here its lack of grappling.”
Just to be fair, any discipline which is primarily considered a striking martial art - is not going to be strong in its grappling. You don’t train in a striking martial art because you want to be good at grappling.
Wow! Where did you find this original footage of Akio? I’ve only ever saw the cut up version with Japanese commentary
I just edited away the freeze frames with japanese commentary lol
The Kyokushin guy whooped the Muay Thai fighters @ss in the first fight, he confused him with the takedowns then was able to knock him out. If this was the old school UFC NHB rules the Karate guys would have won both fights due to knowing how to grapple and the fact that they wouldn't be stood up.
Insomma, tutte le arti marziali funzionano benissimo quando si trasformano in judo.
Kyokushin has throws in it because Mas Oyama (its founder ) has a black belt in judo . Kyokushin is Goju Ryu mixed with judo minus head punches
Interesting, I would assume that it came from mostly cross polination, as the people interested in Karate would often also be interested in Judo, for example Police officers. I see several karate websites claim that Oyama had fourth dan in Judo, but the wikipedia article does not mention him training Judo.
@@horreheitedet4320 it's also in the name. Go-Ju Ryu means hard-soft style in Japanese: the 'Ju' is also in Ju-do. So Kyokushin is basically 'Go' without the 'Ju' if we are being extremely simplistic; I don't do Kyokushin but I used to do judo and Goshin Ryu Ju Jitsu and as far as I know a lot of Kyokushin clubs don't bother teaching the judo aspect of it as many associations / organisations don't allow throws and sweeps. Clearly the original Kyokushin has the 'Ju' element in it: maybe a mix of Goju Ryu and Judo.
Wow thanks for sharing man
Why didn't the karate guy throw fireballs? Hadouken!
Thanks💚
1st fight. Karate guy with a right cross knocked out Muay Thai guy. Also the the Muay Thai guy had no response to Karate guy's takedowns.
Amazing
современные бойцы намного техничней , причем в любом виде спорта
Нет, конечно. Золотой век бокса закончился 20 лет назад, и уровень современных боксеров заметно ниже, чем у бойцов из 60-ых.
空手をやっていても掴んで投げたがる日本人は体型からしてもやはり柔道が合ってる。
藤平さんこと大沢先生はやはり強いなあ。大沢先生の食堂にはたびたび通ってました。2件目の店にはこの試合の写真が飾ってありました。投げが多いのは日本人は皆子供の頃から柔道をやってるからかな。打撃しか知らない相手に投げ技掛けると内臓に効くからね。
This is similar to modern dat MMA, the karate fighters are using JUDO throws, to knock the Muay guy off his game..and dominate
The art of eight limbs doesn't include wrestling or judo. Hip throws or leg takedowns are not used in that sport . The stand-up clinch is for knees and elbows and some throws but judo techniques are not allowed in muay thai even in modern day.
This was like asking a boxer with no grappling exp to compete in a jujitsu match .
Real fighters in 60's... ah, but try to find a real video of Bruce Fake Lee. Oyama and this men are the real deal 💪
It's very telling where you have such available footage here of professional combat fighters yet not ONE of an actual fight by Bruce Lee. Not knocking the guy, at all. However, i say that to say he had the greatest marketing propaganda in the history of cinema that propelled him to legendary status off of movies alone.
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Come on bro Bruce wasn’t fake…
@@jainittai5104 not really, his theories work, just look at thai boxers in mma. you need to blend everything or else your style wont last long
this should be enough to have respect for the guy, brains is better than crappy videos. Anderson Silva:"JKD saved my life in the ring" . .dont know who you are but id rather listen to a legendary professional
Kyokushin Karate did not include Judo. The Kyokushin Karate Japanese studied Judo for the match- without notifying the Muay Thai fighters that Judo techniques were allowed. The Muay Thai fighters were unprepared. Just as in the first Kyokyushin World Championship in 1973. Japanese Kyokushin Karate fighters practiced low kicks to destroy the legs of the American and European fighters. Finally in the Second Kyokushin Karate World Championship, Willy Williams was cheated out of the Championship because Mas Oyama wanted a Japanese to win. I studied Kyokushin and the Japanese Kyokushin changed the rules for the Japanese Kyokushin to win. I do not wish to give my name because I have friends in Kyokushin- two or three who studied with me in the early 1970s. One Japanese instructor told my friend,s who fought in Japanese Kyokushin World Tournaments in the 1970s and 1980s, that it was better to lose by disqualification than to lose a match to another Kyokushin fighter. In other words, break the man's knee or jaw. I found this to be repulsive and left. Cripple someone because you were going to lose a match. Incidentally, Nakamura, Oyama, etc. did not want their karate students to study judo.
Oyama are Also a Black Belt in Judo lol.
4:59 wicked elbow
In the 2nd fight if it's a MMA fight and rules, the karateka-judoka might win. In the first fight, Muay Thai fighter lacks strategy and could win if he did sweeps and shin kicks.
私のアイドル､小さな巨人・ビッグハート大沢昇､本名藤平昭雄さん。カッコイイとはこういう人のこと。
Imagine mma rules. Karatekas would have made easy work of the thais there. But what's astonishing how little clinch techniques thais used here!.🤔
Original kyokushin has face punching.
Original muay thai do Not know boxing, That's why Rick Roufus broke the Jaw of Changpuek and knocked out Changpuek 2 times by Punching Changpuek in the Face.
Я удивлён - в первом из двух показанных боёв победил каратист (в чёрных трусах), да ещё и нокаутировав оппонента ударом руки в голову во время размена 😮
Я был уверен, что в это компоненте тайский боксёр имеет сокрушительное преимущество.
Kenji guy, did he think this is an wrestling match 😂
El boxeo es superior
I tried it hard but could not see a Kyokushin Karate. Nothing at all!....I suppose both of them are from Muay Thai but one of them did Judo and knows that he is not as good as his opponent in Muay Thai.
Original muay thai do Not know boxing, That's why Rick Roufus broke the Jaw of Changpuek and knocked out Changpuek 2 times by Punching Changpuek in the Face 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Original kyokushin has face punching.
@@JapkickboxingMMA2Changpeuk destroyed Roufus' legs and won the fight
@@ronki23 Original Kyokushin, Japanese and Dutch kickboxers are knocking out Thai men since the 60's by Punching and using Kyokushin low kick and Everybody Knows These Now, and Thai man can only say Muay thai can Only defeat boxing and nothing else
@@JapkickboxingMMA2 Roufus isn't Kyokushin. He's an above waist kickboxer
Lord Jesus loves you draw near to him my friends
omg Jesus wants to kill me? But why?
Back then some Thai fighters were paid just to lose the match
Do not discredit karate
投げ使って、汚い空手家ね😅
This goes to prove the Gracie theory that most fights will end up close or on the ground,any smart martial artist wanna be would want to excel in all range of fighting because that’s the only way you’re going to survive a encounter out of your comfort zone.
Good point.
If this was the old school UFC rules the Karate fighters would have won much easier
They allowed Japanese to headbutt and throw.
это не карате. вы врете
Original muay thai do Not know boxing, That's why Rick Roufus broke the Jaw of Changpuek and knocked out Changpuek 2 times by Punching Changpuek in the Face 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
@@JapkickboxingMMA2 Dios, otra vez el enfermo este.