Excellent video, really informative but also easy to understand. 👍 More bike manufacturers should do this to give some meaning to the numbers they quote on a new bike release.
The travel needs to be more progressive, i had to put ludicrous pressures in my shock to stop it bottoming out. I eventually just upgraded to a more heavy duty shock, but I think the specialized engineering team should try to sort this out.
@@darylblain4710I'd love to hear from more people on this. I just bought a '22 Evo Pro and while I love it, I'm still struggling to get the Float X to feel right, ESPECIALLY coming from a Nomad with a coil shock. How different lol (but way more playful for sure). At 195 lbs I too find myself running super high pressures to prevent bottom out, really sacrificing any sort of supple feeling from the bike. I'm considering either the cascade link or going with a different rear shock and adding spacers. The Rockshox Vivid seems interesting but expensive.
definately looking at this as my next ride. Questions, going mullet without the link... how much slacker does HTA become, how much lower for the BB, and what do we lose on seat tube angle? Also, regarding styling... it almost appears to me that the downtube just in front of the bottom bracket angles forward lower than horizontal, would prefer some up angle in the shape there as tube moves forward from BB and on up to HT
Hi! Thanks for your question. I'd not recommend going mullet without the mullet link. If you'd like a lower BB or slacker HT angle, you can use the adjustable geometry!
I recently bought the carbon comp version. I absolutely love it, but my only issue has been that I’m experiencing way more pedal strikes than I’m used to. I have to figure out the bottom bracket adjustment to get it lifted up a little bit.
Can you give an example of any advantages to the high/low setting at the rear axle? I’ve only ever ran the high setting, because I’m concerned of pedal strikes on low. However I kinda wanna try low to take advantage of a larger rear triangle to feel it out….
Hey Specialized University! In regards to the front fork on this bike, it comes with a 44mm offset. What are your thoughts on running the 51mm offset? I'd love to hear what your tests revealed, obviously the 44mm is what you ended up with so I'm sure you'd recommend it, but what specifically did it change to have the 51mm offset?
Specialized U., what's the effect on the AS of the '21 Evo on AS from changes to the front chainring size? I swapped from a 30t to a 32t and my Evo feels a hair less efficient and also the rear suspension felt a bit different. Please advise.
I’m going to try an EXT Storia coil on my 2022 evo. Will see how the relatively low progression pairs with the hydraulic bottom out circuit on the Storia. Fingers crossed.
The kinematics are pretty much perfect IMO. Maybe a little to much AS at sag but I get most people can’t pedal. However, the geo adjustments are next level and I would have probably bought two had it not been for the suboptimal Moto rear hose routing. I’m just not prepared to damage the brake hose after a simple bar during a minor crash which commonly happens without the headtube acting as a strain relief. I’m gutted though. Best effort on the market.
Don't gravity bikes (especially those with a High Pivot Design) actually need to have a rearward axle path? I get it that it takes away a bit of the playfulness (especially doing wheelies etc.) but it actually feels a lot more stable on the downhill and the benefits outweigh the drawbacks by far. I have a Deviate Highlander and am amazed by the downhill performance and it still is playful enough to not be too bored.
They mentioned it. They said that in the first couple CM of travel the axle path is rearward adn it takes inspiration from their gravity bikes, but later in the travel they made the axlepath forward so it feels more playful. On a gravity bike rearward axle path is king, bikes like the commencal supreme, that have basicly no forward axle path, are just super fast over stuff.
You check their sizing? That would put you on an S3. Size down if you are wanting to be extra nimble and size up if all you want to do is ride down. Careful if you size up to S4 though as it may feel HUGE. I am 5'10" (177.8cm) and I went with the S3. Perfect fit.
Maybe someone can explain how to stop this bike from bottoming out. I have the 2021 SJ EVO LTD and it comes with Rockshox which i love but the rear shock at 25% sag and maxed out at 4.5 tokens and I am still bottoming out hard on G outs
I Expect more if im gonna buy a bike that cost almost as a slightly used car. Bikes prices now is just way way beyond comprehension so this should be expected its not like a GT Bike that just cost 4 Grand.
XO1 spec with Fox Performance Elite is $5k USD..... Maybe some direct to consumer brands are able to hit this price point but everything else is so much more.
A $5,000 MTN bike is much better than a $250 Schwinn Boundary but nowhere near $4750 better. A $35,000 crocodile Gucci handbag is also much better than a $50 handbag but nowhere $34,950 better.
Because if they stuck with the same design for more than two years, the cost of manufacturing would go down, which would mean the pricetag would come down and people would start to expect cheaper bikes. They just can't have that!
@@nathanweidkamp8385 hmmm, if you actually compare, you'll see that they changed significantly enough every two years (three at most) to require new tooling at the factory.
That's one of the ugliest if not the ugliest up-to-date bike frames in the business. The best geometry would not compensate for that. It's just the way it is.
Excellent explanation of important and misunderstood information. More brands should do this. Well done.
Excellent video, really informative but also easy to understand. 👍 More bike manufacturers should do this to give some meaning to the numbers they quote on a new bike release.
Thanks! 👍
The travel needs to be more progressive, i had to put ludicrous pressures in my shock to stop it bottoming out. I eventually just upgraded to a more heavy duty shock, but I think the specialized engineering team should try to sort this out.
Even after max volume spacers?
@Timjko yeah, the dpx 2 that was in there was at the limit of what was recommended by fox. Easiest thing to do was to buy a bigger shock
@@darylblain4710I'd love to hear from more people on this. I just bought a '22 Evo Pro and while I love it, I'm still struggling to get the Float X to feel right, ESPECIALLY coming from a Nomad with a coil shock. How different lol (but way more playful for sure). At 195 lbs I too find myself running super high pressures to prevent bottom out, really sacrificing any sort of supple feeling from the bike.
I'm considering either the cascade link or going with a different rear shock and adding spacers. The Rockshox Vivid seems interesting but expensive.
Great video/explanation from this guy. Very knowledgeable and putting this into practical terms has been very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Made me even more excited for my new bike to arrive!
Love my Stumpy EVO! Great video explaining why it feels soo good!
I like it, hope to demo one soon.
Eagerly awaiting an alloy version like the last Stumpy EVO.
Well done specialized on moving away from fsr this bike is awesome and i carnt wait to buy one ,cheers
definately looking at this as my next ride. Questions, going mullet without the link... how much slacker does HTA become, how much lower for the BB, and what do we lose on seat tube angle? Also, regarding styling... it almost appears to me that the downtube just in front of the bottom bracket angles forward lower than horizontal, would prefer some up angle in the shape there as tube moves forward from BB and on up to HT
Hi! Thanks for your question. I'd not recommend going mullet without the mullet link. If you'd like a lower BB or slacker HT angle, you can use the adjustable geometry!
This is how you should continue marketing your bikes.
Just ordered the evo comp. Can't wait to rip it!
Such a fun bike. Enjoy!
I recently bought the carbon comp version. I absolutely love it, but my only issue has been that I’m experiencing way more pedal strikes than I’m used to. I have to figure out the bottom bracket adjustment to get it lifted up a little bit.
Wow, same here @Kory, did you ever figured that out? I'm on an S6.
@@macribas I did, I am on an S5, I flipped the chip, and it has made a world of difference.
@@waterskier91 So yours was on the low setting from the factory?
@@macribas yeah, I flipped it to high, and had very very few strikes ever since, and I live in a very rooty region.
165 cranks will help
thx
You are welcome! Please write us if you have any questions 👍🏼
impressive!
Can you give an example of any advantages to the high/low setting at the rear axle?
I’ve only ever ran the high setting, because I’m concerned of pedal strikes on low.
However I kinda wanna try low to take advantage of a larger rear triangle to feel it out….
Makes great bikes aluminum again. I don't have a first born (yet) to trade for this beautiful carbon ride $5500CAD entry point FML
Love it, but no 27.5. I’ll keep my 2019.
it's quite unfortunate
@@theforruner117 I recon you could get the mullet part and add 10 mm extra to the fork and make it 27.5 front and rear
@@hunterwright386 not a bad idea tbh.
Hey Specialized University! In regards to the front fork on this bike, it comes with a 44mm offset. What are your thoughts on running the 51mm offset? I'd love to hear what your tests revealed, obviously the 44mm is what you ended up with so I'm sure you'd recommend it, but what specifically did it change to have the 51mm offset?
Great video. Just bought a '22 Levo. Where is all this rowdy riding being filmed in the background? Looks like a rad place.
Nice! A lot of the '22 Levos kinematics are inspired by this bike! As for the trails, that's a well-kept secret 😉
It would nice to see one of these for the 2021 regular Stumpy with the flex stay.
Agreed; and for the epic vs epic evo too
cool job
Thank you!
Which numbers, if any, are independent of the rest or does a design change to improve one characteristic affect all of the others as well. Thanks
Great video, thank you for this explainer! What video is all the rad rider footage from?
Specialized U., what's the effect on the AS of the '21 Evo on AS from changes to the front chainring size? I swapped from a 30t to a 32t and my Evo feels a hair less efficient and also the rear suspension felt a bit different. Please advise.
Thank you for replying, help me a lot
I’m going to try an EXT Storia coil on my 2022 evo. Will see how the relatively low progression pairs with the hydraulic bottom out circuit on the Storia. Fingers crossed.
Let us know how you like it!
If only I could afford it
If you're in the states you could sell a kidney or two, that should pay for the base model.
If only everyone could afford it, not just you. ;p
The prices of these bikes would quickly drop to reasonable prices if people stopped being willing to spend $5,000 - $8,000 for a bicycle.
The kinematics are pretty much perfect IMO. Maybe a little to much AS at sag but I get most people can’t pedal. However, the geo adjustments are next level and I would have probably bought two had it not been for the suboptimal Moto rear hose routing. I’m just not prepared to damage the brake hose after a simple bar during a minor crash which commonly happens without the headtube acting as a strain relief. I’m gutted though. Best effort on the market.
Don't gravity bikes (especially those with a High Pivot Design) actually need to have a rearward axle path? I get it that it takes away a bit of the playfulness (especially doing wheelies etc.) but it actually feels a lot more stable on the downhill and the benefits outweigh the drawbacks by far. I have a Deviate Highlander and am amazed by the downhill performance and it still is playful enough to not be too bored.
They mentioned it. They said that in the first couple CM of travel the axle path is rearward adn it takes inspiration from their gravity bikes, but later in the travel they made the axlepath forward so it feels more playful.
On a gravity bike rearward axle path is king, bikes like the commencal supreme, that have basicly no forward axle path, are just super fast over stuff.
@@uwu_demon5494 My Highlander is both.
What is the rear weight bias? I need this for the spring calculator.
Is there gonna be an Aluminum version?
At this point no, but we may evaluate market demand and consider one in the future.
@@SpecializedUniversity Awe bummer. Be cool if there was a Stumpjumper Al with the swat box like the Trek Slash
@@SpecializedUniversity How about stocking them before releasing them to every mtb publications for endless reviews on what nobody can buy or ride?
Okay, so what to do if i want to change a air shock to coil?
Will the adjustable headset of the EVO fit into a (non EVO) Stumpy ?
Hi there. No, it will not. The Stumpjumper has a flip-chip at the rear shock to adjust the headtube angle. Thanks for your question.
@@SpecializedUniversity it doesnt fit why? Is the EVO head tube shaped different, or ?
@@mudkayak6305 Yes, the EVO headtube is a different shape
I having problem with sizing, can anyone tell me what’s the right size for my height, 172 cm or 68 inches
You check their sizing? That would put you on an S3. Size down if you are wanting to be extra nimble and size up if all you want to do is ride down. Careful if you size up to S4 though as it may feel HUGE. I am 5'10" (177.8cm) and I went with the S3. Perfect fit.
Can it handle a coil shock? I hear its a nono on stumpies
Guys plss tell me what application you use to illustrate the squats.. i mean white outlines of the bike. plsss
Probably an Illustrator file that's been pulled into After Effects.
Maybe someone can explain how to stop this bike from bottoming out. I have the 2021 SJ EVO LTD and it comes with Rockshox which i love but the rear shock at 25% sag and maxed out at 4.5 tokens and I am still bottoming out hard on G outs
Sounds like your shock is messed up, or your 25% sag isn't correct?
I bottomed mine out heaps with the fox dpx2. The next year's model came out with the float x. I put one of those on and it was much better.
Epic!!
Best bike ever.....
2:24 bruh
In the world of two wheel vehicles is "anti-dive" commonly called "anti-rise"?
We had not heard of anti-dive! The concepts appear to be quite similar. Thanks for your comment.
Can i know a soundtrack music in this video ?
lovely video
Alot of the audio is left side only.
They even painted it like an Orbea Rallon 🤪
Great. Only problem is that it's out of stock...
Drove 5hrs one way to get one......
I Expect more if im gonna buy a bike that cost almost as a slightly used car. Bikes prices now is just way way beyond comprehension so this should be expected its not like a GT Bike that just cost 4 Grand.
Every new model we hear the same analysis of how it's the best design for the rider.
don't get lost in the numbers, a faster rider will always be the faster rider.
Wait until next year, it will be better than the 2021, and then repeat the same marketing bs ...
Funny how everyone who rides well will swap to a cascade link.
Instant Rowdy 😂 …could’ve done without that corny line, live the bike though.
3:00 he doesn’t understand anti rise
Stock shock is awful. Out of tune x2 works better.
soo over price!!!!
XO1 spec with Fox Performance Elite is $5k USD..... Maybe some direct to consumer brands are able to hit this price point but everything else is so much more.
So basically idiot proof?
A $5,000 MTN bike is much better than a $250 Schwinn Boundary but nowhere near $4750 better.
A $35,000 crocodile Gucci handbag is also much better than a $50 handbag but nowhere $34,950 better.
To you maybe, to others maybe it is $4750 better? I could say the same thing about how much taxes I pay which do nothing for me.
Why you gotta switch it up after two years 😪
Because if they stuck with the same design for more than two years, the cost of manufacturing would go down, which would mean the pricetag would come down and people would start to expect cheaper bikes. They just can't have that!
Then why did the last stumpy design last for 8 years with only small small changes
@@nathanweidkamp8385 hmmm, if you actually compare, you'll see that they changed significantly enough every two years (three at most) to require new tooling at the factory.
@@nathanweidkamp8385 well you expect a bike to say the same then there tech wont be improving they keep improving so the bike keeps getting better
Crisis is coming, anyone is planing to buy a brand new bike?
Coming? I thought it's been here for 10 months already?
I bought one..... :)
That's one of the ugliest if not the ugliest up-to-date bike frames in the business.
The best geometry would not compensate for that.
It's just the way it is.
I think it looks rad, way better than the bent top tube from before
Oh man I am in the opposite camp, I love the assimetrical design that the sidearm brings to the stumpy, and the straight top tube looks sick
Well opinions are like wheelie bins, e everyone has one.
The colours IMO are crap. But the black frame is awesome
Agreed! Design and ugly colorway. I guess they do have a black frame tho.
You’ve got to be joking. Please tell me your joking. The stumpjumper evo is probably one of the nicest bikes I’ve ever seen