Sikhs and Black People tried to warn America but you all would listens. Again. Hindu Indians see to rest of humanity as their inferiors. Do not take my word for it, look it up for yourself. Gandhi was no angel.
@@SignatureServices-uz2df It is a rhetorical question and joke. Are you one of those uneducated Trump supporters Vivek is referring to? Trump and republicans want to keep you dumb so you will vote for them while they give the jobs to educated foreigners, cuz those people can't vote. Ha ha!
As a female in tech since 1980, I saw how people were deterred from going into the tech field because it was flooded with lower paid H1-B workers. There was not enough incentive for US students. Not mysterious cause and affect.
@@Kothwalashivakumar Stop being disingenuous. The average starting pay for tech workers in the US is not $100k. It's more like $50k for contractors. Here in the Seattle area, for jobs on site at MS, they pay just over minimum wage and no, that's not what I do or where I work. I haven't worked there in almost 2 decades but MS used to have lots of contractor roles and they used lots of H1-B visa labor. If you're going to quote mid to top pay and pretend it is a base salary, no one is going to take you seriously. Someone can easily google what roles pay and see that you're lying. Also "tech worker" is a broad range that can describe anything from help desk to data analyst to developer. Not sure why you think an IT worker would start at $100,000 right out of school because they simply don't.
Whatever the visa earners are getting paid, you can earn that amount much more easily with the advantages you have as an American (assuming you are one based on your comment)
@@growinguniversally216 🤦♀ It doesn't make pushing false facts about salary okay. If someone told you that you could make $50 an hour working in fast food, would you not point out that was fundamentally false? There are a lot of different types of IT jobs. Not all of them involve writing code. The ones where no coding is involved, pay significantly less and there is no path to a six figure salary so claiming that "people in IT make $100,000" is false. Pointing out that people in the US can just make more money is a red herring. Um thanks but not the point.
Companies hire foreign engineers because these workers are pressured to perform under the constraints of the H-1B visa. Organizations like Tesla and start-ups have developed a modern form of corporate servitude.
So Ramawamy prefer excellence over mediocrity, and hard work over laziness. But still think Trump is a great choice for president. You know Ramawamy it is a glitch here somewhere
And you actually thought Kamala and Timpon represent excellence and hard work? 😂 What, in your opinion, was Kamala's single greatest accomplishment as VP that would justify a promotion?
If Trump wants to deport immigrants, he can start with Ramaswamy and Kash Patel. As to Kamala and Tim, they worked themselves up to where they are. Not handed everything to them like Trump.
@@spikefivefivefive Perhaps what she didn't do is the more appropriate question. She didn't call Georgia's Sec. of State and pressure him into manufacturing another 11,780 votes so she could attempt to steal Georgia's electoral votes. She did not instigate a seditious insurrection against the duly elected US government and sat by doing nothing metaphorically letting Rome burn while blaming her nefarious actions on others like orange Sleazy Jeszy did. She did not scheme to replace the legitimate state electors with fake ones/imposters, nor threaten any government official to reject the votes of the actual electors and accept the fake ones so there would be controversy leading to the Congress to select the GOP candidate as the winner instead of honoring the will of the majority. She did not give windfall tax cuts to the richest of the rich while running up a record $8 trillion in additional federal debt in just four years with not a stitch of infrastructure or anything else to make the nation greater which devalued our currency leading to the inflation that followed. She and Biden did have to struggle over inflation as the inflationary tax cuts for the rich remained in effect throughout their administration because republicans refused to return to fiscal responsibility and rescind them. Now Sleazy promises more of the same while insulting our trade partners and neighbors so he can isolate and oppress the American people to himself like a possessive husband lording over an overly submissive wife and making the world a much more dangerous place than it is already.
@@spikefivefivefiveMAGA is far more stupid than I thought!! You deflecting on the topic that Elon and Vivek wants to bring in more immigrants that MAGA wanted to get rid of?! More "Brown" workers to take the American jobs that MAGA wanted to keep 🤦🏾 Make it make sense MAGA!
They hire foreign labor because it’s cheaper. I manage someone in Romania and their salary is unbelievably low for work an American would need 2x-3x more to do.
@@mattrinker2947 That is not true, There are 4 levels of salary for every soc job code. Trump has recommended Level 3 and 4 salary. If the job requirement is met a local will be hired for sure. For example 11-3021.00 - Computer and Information Systems Managers for Atlanta. Getting 170 to 250k is the range for this position in USA nowadays
@@mattrinker2947 11-3021.00 - Computer and Information Systems Managers , Trump recommended level 3/4 salaries for all soc job codes. For this position it can start at 169k to 250k.
@kazheadrest3626 you should grow up child and realise lame name calling only proves you to be the child in the conversation. Pointing out the problem within the system isn't hate or scorn, but please continue your fake childish outrage
Silicon Valley doesn't want to PAY qualified American IT people. This happened to my qualified, hard working friend in IT. In the past 10 years, they hired someone from overseas cheaper and less experienced than her. A few times they stole her ideas from her interviews too.
@@cristinabutasimon9159 yea maybe because it has been getting defunded for the past 40 years. The constant demonization of teachers doesn’t help with getting qualified professionals to teach either. When are you going to realize that this was all a plan to make America dumber. instead of giving up on children’s education we should make it better.
@@cristinabutasimon9159 Maybe because the department of education has been constantly defunded I mean “us schools underfunded by nearly 150 billion annually”. The constant demeaning of teachers doesn’t help with getting qualified professionals to teach either. It’s also a big part on the parents, because they refuse to take an interest in their child’s education unless it comes to culture war nonsense. Maybe instead of giving up we find solutions to make it better.
@@cristinabutasimon9159I've talked to plenty, who parents were both hands on in there lives, who watch what they listen too, interacted with speak just fine.
I do agree with the second tweet of Ramaswamy: "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers." I'm from The Netherlands Europe and we don't have school sports teams, cheerleaders and prom queens. And from the outside it looks kinda toxic how much emphasize there is on being the most popular and the best (better than others) in everything. The part I don't agree with is 'more work, less chillin'. Americans seem to live to work, while Dutch people work to live. Free time is very important. Not just for the worker's state of mind (less burn outs), but also for productivity. A well rested employee is way more productive than a person that works 12 hr shifts 6 days a week.
Why do we compete against the world cheapest doctors. We need a robust STEM education program. I would love to have a doctorate, I have an engineering degree as well. This country is too expensive for me to get a doctorate.
Why would anybody hire an expensive stem major in America when they can hire one from India that can work 100 hours a week without complaining at half the rate
Lol I have a doctorate and a decent number of doctorate people are also underemployed. Many wind up teaching adjuncts at community colleges and elsewhere.
@@Mr50403 Obviously you do not understand what the word means. Vivek said nothing about jocks in degenerative way . He wrote about a culture that "'venerated mediocrity". Scientist commenter said "What a joke. Trump is literally elected by the jocks who peaked in high school." I asked why do you think that is a problem? It was this commenter who is denigrating Jocks, not Vivek. Hmmm, not that difficult to understand. Specifically he said " the culture that celebrates ... the jock over the valedictorian , will not produce the best engineers. What part of this is not true, and how is it an attack on anyone?
@@cristinabutasimon9159 - He spectacularly failed in the stage trail of an anti alzheimers disease trial, I believe. Most of his wealth was based on speculation and not product. Not that Musk or him are actual "experts" in the fields of the businesses they are involved in. They are owners/managers.
The problem is not if Vivek is right or not, the problem is the Republikans took all funding from education system and created the idiocy and uneducation in red states especially… that resulted in Maga. If Vivek believes what he says, then why do they NOT SUPPORT education, why don’t they make higher education free, why don’t they pay k-12 teachers more????? Because it’s way cheaper for tech bros to pay a small salary and buy the best and brightest from other countries. Then these workers are stuck 10+ years on visas, until they can get citizenship and get paid more.
They dont care for popularity- they have advisory positions. And Truth doesnt care about popularity. Importing cheaper and better workers and engineers is basically the MOST American thing and the only thing the USA has done consistently since the early colonial days.
He is right but by his logic Trump and Musk wouldn't be the next presidents and their cabinet picks wouldn't even be on the table. People's ability to be arbitrary and selective is amazing...
Not entirely wrong when a guy who can hit a ball with a stick gets a 0.75 Billion dollar contract while people working to cure cancer are struggling to receive funding
That's a poor argument. An athlete generates billions of dollars worth of revenue for their sport and receives a relative fraction of the lucrative entertainment industry. Some researchers are struggling because they largely lack federal funding and universities they often work for or with take likes of cash for themselves. I'm not saying athletes aren't overpaid but this athletes vs. scientists argument is always fundamentally flawed.
Vivek knows that importing tech workers from India saves 60% or more vs. hiring a domestic american worker for the same position. He will invent whatever fantasy neccesery to bring in labor at that pay rate.
You think American corporations became so wealthy because they paid fair compensation and enriched their society? 😂😂😂 Importing workers to do job at low or no wages is the MOST American thing in history. 😂
Depends on the field. In some STEM, it's free, IF you can get in. This is really about using indentured servants whom you can threaten with deportation
@DelKayson You know immigrants Subsidize Local Americans right? Immigrant students are the ones who keep many US universities from shutting down. Its a racket.
...there's a big difference between smart intelligent ppl and educated ppl. .. Uneducated ppl vs. losers/foolish ppl. A college degree doesn't equal intelligence and brains. HS diploma doesn't not equal uneducated mediocre loser. Because many of them successful and even the CEO/boss over the college educated workers.
Because everybody gets a vote- so they have to pick on the Lowest common denominator issues and dumb down complex issues to soundbites for the voters. If Democracy was only educated college graduates voting, it would look very different.
He has experience in running companies with efficiency. The country has been a company for many years. We need business men not politicians who are out of touch.
You allowed Trump back into office. Don't sit there kicking and screaming. Vivek Ramaswamy insulting Americans in a X post n MAGA is losing it. Gotta love watching this. Love from Canada 🍿🤣🤣
THe other thing that is funny is we have to remember this man has the same amount of professional credibility as Elizabeth Holmes. He got into a good school because his parents are successful and part of the top caste in india. He made connections there based off of being there and being smooth, joined a company and promised a product would come out made speculative stock money based on that promise, left the product didn't come out and the company went under. He didn't produce anything, develop anything, create anything. He sold a dream to dumb money and snuck out the back door and he wants to lecture us about mediocrity.
@@RonnieMyers777 Our American culture?? Lol Vivek 😂 Before the Indians from India arrived in America, we had homecoming kings and queens, football jocks, and Americans still sent a man to the moon. This is why in some ways I’m against immigration. You bring folks into this country that help them to become wealthy while looking down on Americans.
It is inaccurate to assert such a comparison, and it is unwise to equate sports stars with scientists, given their fundamentally distinct roles. Sports stars are compensated for their entertainment value and their contribution to fostering community engagement, whereas scientists are remunerated for their pursuit of knowledge and understanding of the world. Scientists do not depend on public acclaim as they are not entertainers, which highlights the misguidance in Vivek Ramaswamy's assertion. Furthermore, it appears that Vivek Ramaswamy prioritizes his own interests above those of others or even his own community, focusing instead on individuals like Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
The tv show that ruined American minds was the Celebrity Apprentice. I would have immediately came back at Vivek with that example. Come on media. How come little ol me has to point this out to you?
Even BASIC shop skills are not taught in middle ad high school! I took shop AND home economics in middle school, electronics and computer programming in high school joined the navy and spent 2 more years learning advanced electronics and served 6 years on nuclear Submarines, got out and got a job and paid my way through college! Education in stem is a CONTINUOUS ongoing endeavor! The economy never kept me from getting a job, never ever been homeless, always had a car! The things that needs to be taught is self sufficiently and reliance! I NEVER expected anything from anyone EVER!
If you don’t like our culture, why don’t you leave, Mr. Ramawamy? Go to India-it sounds like you prefer it. America would certainly be better off. Not sure about India, but that’s their problem.
When are all those flaming Liberals going to leave the country who vowed to do that if Trump got-re-elected? We certainly wouldn't be losing a single thing.
@spikefivefivefive You’re such a cupid stunt, aren’t you? I didn’t say anything about conservatives or any other group. I was just talking about this one individual, but you responded with a sweeping attack on tens of millions of Americans.
I hope Rump continues to appoint the "best people" so Americans will wake up and kick these people out of office. I still can't believe Americans chose this man again.
Let me guess who the Majority of the foreign workers would be if Viv had his way? That’s exactly why so many American IT jobs were outsourced to India.
Ok let me get this straight We have a Second African American Presiden, A second Indian vice president who today said America needs to WAKE up basically sounds like a new type of WOKE to me 😅
We should be proud that people want to come to our country. THAT is what makes America great. Trump is trying to ensure that the American Dream dies and becomes an eternal nightmare. We need to build better cities, encourage immigration, and give a great education, food and healthcare to EVERY child in America. Imagine how great we could be.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion does not mean unqualified. We would be way ahead if DEI was accepted over the underperforming, greedy mediocrity of white Anerica.
Richard Hofstadter wrote "Anti-intellectualism in American Life" published in 1962, and won a Pulitzer Prize in 1964. Yea, looks like it's been known for a while that Americans are soft on intellect: famously so. That I had to source engineers from China, India and Germany to man industrial engineering sites gave me that insight long ago, before retiring.
He's not wrong. But instead of just purchasing the best and the brightest from other countries (as if they are slaves!), we actually fund programs that will support our own best and brightest! How many brilliant minds are trapped by poverty and bigotry and all of the side effects that come with it? By lack of healthcare, education, and access to basic resources. To 'provide for the ... general welfare of the United States.' Support our own people!
According to Vivek, the ONLY thing that government should be responsible for is “securing the American boarders and protecting the personal property of its citizens.” Now how basic can one’s concept of government be? Look at Vivek’s primary source (family first) of influence tied into wanting to be an extreme American rah! rah! rah!
I hate to say he's not entirely wrong(yes I choked while saying that). What's surprising is it's this attitude that right-wingers accuse the left of having this elitist thinking. It's also coming from the same party that want's to eliminate the Departent of Education.
He is not lying , it seems that many want the easy money , many want to be social media influencers and middle men but not as many people want to get educated to create value. Rather than look to be offended we should look within to see what we can do to be better
What I really love is that the MAGAs think Donald Trump actually cares for the avg working person. Yeah, he cares as much as VP Elon Musk or creepy JD Vance.
He's NOT wrong!...but he is. College Enrollment 18-23: India 9% America 38% So young adults in America are enrolled in college at about 400% the clip of kids in India and don't talk to me about poverty, access or population size, keep it simple and basic - it's culture ya!.. or maybe a genetic issue. 😉
It’s a politically stupid statement, but I pretty much agree with his words. Trump supporters are not going to like him criticizing them as the people who are more supportive of those whose best years were playing sports in high school over standouts in academic achievement.
The MAGA folks are more upset about the promotion of H-1B visas by both Vivek & Elon. They are finding out that both men are just looking for cheap labor from outside the US.
Trump is the champion of populist mediocrity.That's his shtik.Vivek is saying Trump is full of crap loud and clear.What is Pablo Torres doing commenting on this topic?
What about Trump's complaint about foreigners taking good American jobs isn't that what this is? So it's really about paying workers less so they can have more, just plain greed!
Vivek is partially correct. However, he's sounding "woke" to me. In addition, if he truly believes that, why is he supporting trump and the other maga dimwits?
As a decendent of immigrants as many Americans...i take serious offense at Vivek Ramaswamy's comments. American citizens have been closed out of applying for many of these "techinical" positions even with several degrees. Is this a sign of the economy? Yes and pretty much we should tighten the reigns on H1B visas from everywhere.
I never thought that I would agree with Ramaswamy on anything, but I think there was a lot of truth in what he said about why the United States needs to turn to highly skilled workers from other countries because we no longer prioritize education in this country. I have seen evidence of that cropping up in so many ways over the past few decades.
Well, my local high school cut art and music for football then the school board backs down on a no smart phones in class policy because parents said the "poor dears" need their phones in case mommy or daddy or their friends wants to contract them. Then parents blame the school when their kids get low SAT scores and can't get into a top university. Ramaswamy is right but this DOGE looks like the clown car drove into DC.
@@geneclarke2205 I am not remotely a fan of DOGE (and most certainly not of Musk, and normally not of Ramaswamy either), but in this one instance, I do agree with the latter. It is sadly true that in many parts of our country, those who work hard and do well in school are looked down upon by their classmates. While having balance in life is important, we have tilted far too much towards the "relax and have a good time" view of life and away from the "work hard and take pride in your accomplishments" ethos we used to have. I don't think either extreme is healthy. We need to find a middle ground. We also need to celebrate those who pursue careers in the STEM fields as they are the ones who will help the United States be competitive with the rest of the world. Until that day comes, I would far rather American companies hire those with the necessary expertise (no matter where they were born) than have them work for China, North Korea, Russia, etc.
@@spikefivefivefive Ramaswamy is a near billionaire ex-CEO who is only interested in Wall Street and emphasizes the doctrine of shareholder primacy articulated by Milton Friedman. Ramaswamy co-founded Strive Asset Management and during his campaign he was pushing donors to use Strive for their pension fund management and was sighted for unregistered lobbying. He has one thing in mind with DOGE, enrich himself at the expense of taxpayers.
That posts sounds like He's upset because he wasn't the Homecoming king and now he's got an ax to grind. He's not going to impart change, he's going to impart his revenge
*He is absolutely right! We rank WAY down the list of top countries in math and science! In our cities, barely 50% of kids graduate HS at all! Our colleges turn out woke privileged kids who don't measure up to their parents or grandparents at that age!*
So the uneducated who voted for Trump and accepted simplistic answers, and got caught up with "woke" are the superior intellectual model. Vivek IS from that higher educated class. "Woke" is a yoke, you put upon yourself.
You are completely wrong - 85%+ of kids "in cities" graduate from high school. Instead of propagating stereotypes, why don't you actually look up the data.
Dear Paul: are you a Trump-fan? Have you heard about how he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education to save money, i.e., help fund his tax cuts for the wealthy? Vivek & Elon (& Donald) want cheap foreign labor for their companies.
GOP DEI Hiring Project brought to by IBM Marketing ThinkTank, guest starring Jerry Jones & Nepotism. 😂 HOLLYWOOD JUST CALLED, and said the bussy is free, but the tusi cost money. Oh yeah 🤣
@@markcosenza3274, yep. They WANT dim workers who aren't intelligent enough to understand how they are being fleeced and used by the billionaires. They condition people to adore money and worship billionaires, all the while being eaten by them. And most lack the critical thinking skills required to understand what is being done to them.
What's crazy is that while Springfield Ohio was doing the exact same thing, everyone said they are stealing jobs and eating pets they have to go. Wow, but when it's beneficial for them, it's ok. They caused bomb threats, schools closing, and all.
I’m a big democrat, however Ramaswamy is correct. Spelling bee champ gets a little scholarship sports kids get life on a silver platter. DUMB AS CAN BE.
Our American culture has venerated wealth over morality and humanity.
There, I fixed it.
I would add originality, creativity and individuality and soul...
True
Naive, but not wrong
Sikhs and Black People tried to warn America but you all would listens. Again. Hindu Indians see to rest of humanity as their inferiors. Do not take my word for it, look it up for yourself. Gandhi was no angel.
I was taught at school that the phrase "American culture" is an oxymoron. 🙄
Funny how Viv didn't share his thoughts on this during the campaign
Funny how you weren't listening, Vivek has always been honest about how weak this country has become.
@@stitch438exactly! Im MAGA and its a fact
@stitch438 yeah he kept that part out of his campaign speeches in 2024
Funny how Bigoted you are. Well, not funny , just disgusting.
@@stitch438well we also have more foreigners then ever before so not sure how u win that one
Has Vivek ever met the Trump family?
I'm sure he has, have you?
@@SignatureServices-uz2df It is a rhetorical question and joke. Are you one of those uneducated Trump supporters Vivek is referring to? Trump and republicans want to keep you dumb so you will vote for them while they give the jobs to educated foreigners, cuz those people can't vote. Ha ha!
@@SignatureServices-uz2dfWho'd want to besides other fascists.
Wow! That was a blistering statement!😂😂@@SignatureServices-uz2df
@@SignatureServices-uz2dfHave you?
As a female in tech since 1980, I saw how people were deterred from going into the tech field because it was flooded with lower paid H1-B workers. There was not enough incentive for US students. Not mysterious cause and affect.
Lower-paid H1B Workers??? Is more than $100K low-pay for you? Having said this, US students are not pursuing STEM fields.
Cause and effect.
@@Kothwalashivakumar Stop being disingenuous. The average starting pay for tech workers in the US is not $100k. It's more like $50k for contractors. Here in the Seattle area, for jobs on site at MS, they pay just over minimum wage and no, that's not what I do or where I work. I haven't worked there in almost 2 decades but MS used to have lots of contractor roles and they used lots of H1-B visa labor.
If you're going to quote mid to top pay and pretend it is a base salary, no one is going to take you seriously.
Someone can easily google what roles pay and see that you're lying.
Also "tech worker" is a broad range that can describe anything from help desk to data analyst to developer. Not sure why you think an IT worker would start at $100,000 right out of school because they simply don't.
Whatever the visa earners are getting paid, you can earn that amount much more easily with the advantages you have as an American (assuming you are one based on your comment)
@@growinguniversally216 🤦♀ It doesn't make pushing false facts about salary okay. If someone told you that you could make $50 an hour working in fast food, would you not point out that was fundamentally false?
There are a lot of different types of IT jobs. Not all of them involve writing code. The ones where no coding is involved, pay significantly less and there is no path to a six figure salary so claiming that "people in IT make $100,000" is false.
Pointing out that people in the US can just make more money is a red herring. Um thanks but not the point.
Companies hire foreign engineers because these workers are pressured to perform under the constraints of the H-1B visa. Organizations like Tesla and start-ups have developed a modern form of corporate servitude.
One of several forms of corporate servitude created in the US in the last 200 years.
American Universities are too woke.😂😂
Modern slavery , bring the bright brown engineers from d=somewhere else
@@markcosenza3274 the maga war on science and education is truly weird
This is it!
Trump, Eric and Don Jr. are not the brightest bulbs in the Republican Party.
Unlike Kackles Kamala and Tampon Tim and Dementia Joe Biden?
Thankfully they have enough money to pay someone to think for them!
They're DEI hires.
And yet... They are what floated to the top.
@@nankerphelge3771 Ever heard of the old meme that it is fat and scum that floats to the top. His Orangeness qualifies on both counts.
So Ramawamy prefer excellence over mediocrity, and hard work over laziness. But still think Trump is a great choice for president. You know Ramawamy it is a glitch here somewhere
And you actually thought Kamala and Timpon represent excellence and hard work? 😂
What, in your opinion, was Kamala's single greatest accomplishment as VP that would justify a promotion?
If Trump wants to deport immigrants, he can start with Ramaswamy and Kash Patel. As to Kamala and Tim, they worked themselves up to where they are. Not handed everything to them like Trump.
@@spikefivefivefive Perhaps what she didn't do is the more appropriate question. She didn't call Georgia's Sec. of State and pressure him into manufacturing another 11,780 votes so she could attempt to steal Georgia's electoral votes. She did not instigate a seditious insurrection against the duly elected US government and sat by doing nothing metaphorically letting Rome burn while blaming her nefarious actions on others like orange Sleazy Jeszy did. She did not scheme to replace the legitimate state electors with fake ones/imposters, nor threaten any government official to reject the votes of the actual electors and accept the fake ones so there would be controversy leading to the Congress to select the GOP candidate as the winner instead of honoring the will of the majority. She did not give windfall tax cuts to the richest of the rich while running up a record $8 trillion in additional federal debt in just four years with not a stitch of infrastructure or anything else to make the nation greater which devalued our currency leading to the inflation that followed. She and Biden did have to struggle over inflation as the inflationary tax cuts for the rich remained in effect throughout their administration because republicans refused to return to fiscal responsibility and rescind them. Now Sleazy promises more of the same while insulting our trade partners and neighbors so he can isolate and oppress the American people to himself like a possessive husband lording over an overly submissive wife and making the world a much more dangerous place than it is already.
@@spikefivefivefiveMAGA is far more stupid than I thought!! You deflecting on the topic that Elon and Vivek wants to bring in more immigrants that MAGA wanted to get rid of?! More "Brown" workers to take the American jobs that MAGA wanted to keep 🤦🏾 Make it make sense MAGA!
Nothing screams elitest like this post from Vivek
Apparently you have never seen The View?
@@spikefivefivefive Huh? What does that have to do with this post from Vivek screaming, "Elitist"? Are you uneducated?
@@dawnsmith9596 MAGA is enraged, lol
@@spikefivefivefiveWe talking about Vivek, stay on topic.
@@spikefivefivefivesounds like you have the view syndrome
They hire foreign labor because it’s cheaper. I manage someone in Romania and their salary is unbelievably low for work an American would need 2x-3x more to do.
I am sure his English is better than yours and he knows what punctuation is and how to use it.
@@mattrinker2947 That is not true, There are 4 levels of salary for every soc job code. Trump has recommended Level 3 and 4 salary. If the job requirement is met a local will be hired for sure. For example 11-3021.00 - Computer and Information Systems Managers for Atlanta. Getting 170 to 250k is the range for this position in USA nowadays
Misinformation. Not True, H1B on an average make more than $100K.
@@mattrinker2947 11-3021.00 - Computer and Information Systems Managers , Trump recommended level 3/4 salaries for all soc job codes. For this position it can start at 169k to 250k.
@@Kothwalashivakumarnot necessarily. And especially not true for women h1b stem salaries.
Benefited from our country .But scorns and hates it.Good pick Trump😂
you should clean your ears out child .. there was no hate or scorn
@@alanakafang6143 You should learn to read dip...it's right there in black and white
@kazheadrest3626 you should grow up child and realise lame name calling only proves you to be the child in the conversation.
Pointing out the problem within the system isn't hate or scorn, but please continue your fake childish outrage
@@kazheadrest3626 no it isn't child
As an American he has every right to benefit from our country.
Silicon Valley doesn't want to PAY qualified American IT people. This happened to my qualified, hard working friend in IT. In the past 10 years, they hired someone from overseas cheaper and less experienced than her. A few times they stole her ideas from her interviews too.
She wasn't coy enough not to keep giving away her earth shattering but unemployable ideas?
Republicans want their own version of DEI. Imagine that.
😂😂😂
Wrong. Just can't find any white folks in California who aren't on dope
literally
Boom!🪅
It doesn’t qualify as anything like DEI. It’s nothing of the sort.
While they plan to eliminate the Department of Education.
Have you talked to a public school "educated" 8 grader lately?
Department of Education is a joke and so is the "education" of our kids.
@@cristinabutasimon9159 yea maybe because it has been getting defunded for the past 40 years. The constant demonization of teachers doesn’t help with getting qualified professionals to teach either. When are you going to realize that this was all a plan to make America dumber. instead of giving up on children’s education we should make it better.
In a word, YES
@@cristinabutasimon9159 Maybe because the department of education has been constantly defunded I mean “us schools underfunded by nearly 150 billion annually”. The constant demeaning of teachers doesn’t help with getting qualified professionals to teach either. It’s also a big part on the parents, because they refuse to take an interest in their child’s education unless it comes to culture war nonsense. Maybe instead of giving up we find solutions to make it better.
@@cristinabutasimon9159I've talked to plenty, who parents were both hands on in there lives, who watch what they listen too, interacted with speak just fine.
I do agree with the second tweet of Ramaswamy: "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers." I'm from The Netherlands Europe and we don't have school sports teams, cheerleaders and prom queens. And from the outside it looks kinda toxic how much emphasize there is on being the most popular and the best (better than others) in everything. The part I don't agree with is 'more work, less chillin'. Americans seem to live to work, while Dutch people work to live. Free time is very important. Not just for the worker's state of mind (less burn outs), but also for productivity. A well rested employee is way more productive than a person that works 12 hr shifts 6 days a week.
Dude you are just few million in population. You don't matter. If you didn't have oil you would be begging.
Why do we compete against the world cheapest doctors. We need a robust STEM education program. I would love to have a doctorate, I have an engineering degree as well. This country is too expensive for me to get a doctorate.
Meanwhile, millions do exactly that every year. You just aren't willing to do the necessary work.
Why would anybody hire an expensive stem major in America when they can hire one from India that can work 100 hours a week without complaining at half the rate
Lol I have a doctorate and a decent number of doctorate people are also underemployed. Many wind up teaching adjuncts at community colleges and elsewhere.
@@markcosenza3274 Bad take.
Republicans aren't going to support anything that expands the role of the federal government
What a joke. Trump is literally elected by the jocks who peaked in high school. He's biting the hand that feeds him
Why do you think that is a problem? Sounds like a Bigoted comment to me.
@@richardleirerVivek made that statement. Vivek said the jock stuff. He was being bigited.
@@Mr50403 Obviously you do not understand what the word means. Vivek said nothing about jocks in degenerative way . He wrote about a culture that "'venerated mediocrity". Scientist commenter said "What a joke. Trump is literally elected by the jocks who peaked in high school." I asked why do you think that is a problem? It was this commenter who is denigrating Jocks, not Vivek. Hmmm, not that difficult to understand. Specifically he said " the culture that celebrates ... the jock over the valedictorian , will not produce the best engineers. What part of this is not true, and how is it an attack on anyone?
@@richardleirer The bit about valuing the jock over the valedictorian is literally in the tweet that Vivek made (0:38). Try to keep up.
@@nankerphelge3771 Soon the digital bill of rights is coming and the censorship of comments and science will stop
he's not even an engineer... biology degree
That is why he understands life better.
Well biotech it is
@@cristinabutasimon9159 - He spectacularly failed in the stage trail of an anti alzheimers disease trial, I believe. Most of his wealth was based on speculation and not product. Not that Musk or him are actual "experts" in the fields of the businesses they are involved in. They are owners/managers.
@christiabutisano DID YOU GO TO TRUMP UNIVERSITY 😅😅😅
@@cristinabutasimon9159huh????
The problem is not if Vivek is right or not, the problem is the Republikans took all funding from education system and created the idiocy and uneducation in red states especially… that resulted in Maga. If Vivek believes what he says, then why do they NOT SUPPORT education, why don’t they make higher education free, why don’t they pay k-12 teachers more????? Because it’s way cheaper for tech bros to pay a small salary and buy the best and brightest from other countries. Then these workers are stuck 10+ years on visas, until they can get citizenship and get paid more.
👎 Ramaswamy and Musk 👎 I have no respect for either one of them.
Respect is a low priority item for you. Kamala lost, get over it.
I am sure they are crying over your lack of respect.
@chucklesthered2338 she did loose doesnt change the facts of these 2 🤡's😂😂😂
@ChristiColonel na but he will be crying in the first year of this admin🥱😏🥴
They dont care for popularity- they have advisory positions.
And Truth doesnt care about popularity. Importing cheaper and better workers and engineers is basically the MOST American thing and the only thing the USA has done consistently since the early colonial days.
He is right but by his logic Trump and Musk wouldn't be the next presidents and their cabinet picks wouldn't even be on the table. People's ability to be arbitrary and selective is amazing...
You should have stopped at “he was right”
You should have just stopped at " He is right".
@@richardleirer Great minds 👍🏾
Vivek knows about Cults sure he's in one.
He of the rich n greedy !
2 weeks on UA-cam? Mommy is proud of her little resistance fighter!😂😂
@@markcosenza3274 Looks like Daddy leaves you alone too much.
Vivek is a Hindu Brahmin. Read about Brahmin system of India which considers all non-Brahmins inferior to Brahmins.
Not entirely wrong when a guy who can hit a ball with a stick gets a 0.75 Billion dollar contract while people working to cure cancer are struggling to receive funding
It's called capitalism - they're not looking to end that set up anytime soon 😅.
Cricket?
That's a poor argument. An athlete generates billions of dollars worth of revenue for their sport and receives a relative fraction of the lucrative entertainment industry.
Some researchers are struggling because they largely lack federal funding and universities they often work for or with take likes of cash for themselves.
I'm not saying athletes aren't overpaid but this athletes vs. scientists argument is always fundamentally flawed.
Vivek knows that importing tech workers from India saves 60% or more vs. hiring a domestic american worker for the same position. He will invent whatever fantasy neccesery to bring in labor at that pay rate.
You think American corporations became so wealthy because they paid fair compensation and enriched their society? 😂😂😂
Importing workers to do job at low or no wages is the MOST American thing in history. 😂
Said the man who thinks college is a waste of time.
Education and College are two different things, Danny Boy.
That was Charlie Kirk.
Operation Just Let Them Keep Talking is working perfectly.
Vivek is so out of touch that he had to use references from the 90s
Education, parenting, and what we prioritize in this country is the issue.
...not on the D'ohge agenda I'm guessing 🤔😁
Take a look at his homeland. There is a reason why it's a failed country.
@Mondfischli Yes, we definitely should cut a lot of the spending our federal government is doing.
@TheTruthFollows So what spending to cut exactly? The spending that doesn't affect you?
@derouen1234 First we need to find the abuse and hold those people accountable and go from there.
Capitalism will always look for the lowest price.
For MAGA folks, this is what you call “bait and switch”.
Many of them learned about the bait and switch after they voted for Obama 🤷♀️🫠
@@Sara-he4dn Yep, ridiculously gullible people.
To get a doctorate in the USA, you’d likely be paying the loans for a minimum of thirty years.
Depends on the field. In some STEM, it's free, IF you can get in. This is really about using indentured servants whom you can threaten with deportation
Not if you’re an immigrant
@DelKayson You know immigrants Subsidize Local Americans right? Immigrant students are the ones who keep many US universities from shutting down. Its a racket.
Only if our culture fully wakes up? That sounds like WOKE to me.
I mean, he is not wrong, however, he and people like him pick on the uneducated and the very people he is warning us against to become elected.
...there's a big difference between smart intelligent ppl and educated ppl.
.. Uneducated ppl vs. losers/foolish ppl.
A college degree doesn't equal intelligence and brains.
HS diploma doesn't not equal uneducated mediocre loser. Because many of them successful and even the CEO/boss over the college educated workers.
Because everybody gets a vote- so they have to pick on the Lowest common denominator issues and dumb down complex issues to soundbites for the voters.
If Democracy was only educated college graduates voting, it would look very different.
wait, he got hired at DOGGY without any experience with govt efficiency. That is a joker
He has experience in running companies with efficiency. The country has been a company for many years. We need business men not politicians who are out of touch.
Well Kamala got hired as a DEI with no experience as a VP.
She's actually leaving the VP position with no experience.
Trump added 8 trillion dollars last go ROUND 😅😅😅 What say you
@@jefffentross6932 which year of his term ? 2020 ?
Vivek forgot that you're only allowed to use that argument against black people.
You allowed Trump back into office. Don't sit there kicking and screaming. Vivek Ramaswamy insulting Americans in a X post n MAGA is losing it. Gotta love watching this. Love from Canada 🍿🤣🤣
THe other thing that is funny is we have to remember this man has the same amount of professional credibility as Elizabeth Holmes. He got into a good school because his parents are successful and part of the top caste in india. He made connections there based off of being there and being smooth, joined a company and promised a product would come out made speculative stock money based on that promise, left the product didn't come out and the company went under. He didn't produce anything, develop anything, create anything. He sold a dream to dumb money and snuck out the back door and he wants to lecture us about mediocrity.
The reap/sow era is beginning for the mediocres.
Little Vivek thinks he has the sway to be an Elon edgelord 😂
Your fantasies are very detailed.
Sorry MAGA, no DEI hires.
No men in dresses?😂😂
@@markcosenza3274 - Who go to airports and steal women's clothes?
More qualified Raj working for cheap instead of overpriced average Brad
@@RonnieMyers777 Canada 2 , USA 3 India 🇮🇳 There are smart than Americans. This is why they’re leaving India in droves to make US Americans smart.
@@RonnieMyers777 Our American culture?? Lol Vivek 😂 Before the Indians from India arrived in America, we had homecoming kings and queens, football jocks, and Americans still sent a man to the moon. This is why in some ways I’m against immigration. You bring folks into this country that help them to become wealthy while looking down on Americans.
He is right. As long as we idolize sports stars over science stars we will need to import brains.
For cheaper labor😂
That's stereotyping people. My brother got a football scholarship to become a mechanical engineer. He worked on the machinery for oil rigs.
It is inaccurate to assert such a comparison, and it is unwise to equate sports stars with scientists, given their fundamentally distinct roles. Sports stars are compensated for their entertainment value and their contribution to fostering community engagement, whereas scientists are remunerated for their pursuit of knowledge and understanding of the world. Scientists do not depend on public acclaim as they are not entertainers, which highlights the misguidance in Vivek Ramaswamy's assertion.
Furthermore, it appears that Vivek Ramaswamy prioritizes his own interests above those of others or even his own community, focusing instead on individuals like Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
The tv show that ruined American minds was the Celebrity Apprentice. I would have immediately came back at Vivek with that example. Come on media. How come little ol me has to point this out to you?
He should take his opinion back to where he and his parents are from 😆 he basically said Americans are too dumb to hire!
Gee, Vivek, I though those were things that the Department of Education focused on. But you and your pals want to get rid of it.
That’s the problem. They don’t
@freeindeed8416 then let's fix it rather than getting rid of it.
@@ChrisWestin I don’t disagree. Im fairly certain that’s what’s going to happen
Even BASIC shop skills are not taught in middle ad high school! I took shop AND home economics in middle school, electronics and computer programming in high school joined the navy and spent 2 more years learning advanced electronics and served 6 years on nuclear Submarines, got out and got a job and paid my way through college! Education in stem is a CONTINUOUS ongoing endeavor! The economy never kept me from getting a job, never ever been homeless, always had a car! The things that needs to be taught is self sufficiently and reliance! I NEVER expected anything from anyone EVER!
So basically he’s calling all of us stupid. This dude can take his tech skills and go back to his own country.
This is the bullied now becoming the bullies.
Pathetic.
Small pe@is complex
If you don’t like our culture, why don’t you leave, Mr. Ramawamy? Go to India-it sounds like you prefer it. America would certainly be better off. Not sure about India, but that’s their problem.
Our planet. Love it or leave it.
When are all those flaming Liberals going to leave the country who vowed to do that if Trump got-re-elected?
We certainly wouldn't be losing a single thing.
@@spikefivefivefive You've got nothing to lose to begin with.
@spikefivefivefive You’re such a cupid stunt, aren’t you? I didn’t say anything about conservatives or any other group. I was just talking about this one individual, but you responded with a sweeping attack on tens of millions of Americans.
I hope Rump continues to appoint the "best people" so Americans will wake up and kick these people out of office. I still can't believe Americans chose this man again.
They did.
For the third time actually.
Let me guess who the Majority of the foreign workers would be if Viv had his way? That’s exactly why so many American IT jobs were outsourced to India.
He doesn't decide which countries to hire from. The corporations do. Why would the corporations have any preferences while hiring ?
Ok let me get this straight
We have a Second African American Presiden, A second Indian vice president who today said America needs to WAKE up
basically sounds like a new type of
WOKE to me 😅
America has over 221 trillion dollars in unfunded liability debt and both sides are run by billionaires.
We should be proud that people want to come to our country. THAT is what makes America great. Trump is trying to ensure that the American Dream dies and becomes an eternal nightmare. We need to build better cities, encourage immigration, and give a great education, food and healthcare to EVERY child in America. Imagine how great we could be.
Make education for STEM and trades free.
I bet those MSNBC ratings are through the roof..😅
Diversity, equity, and inclusion does not mean unqualified. We would be way ahead if DEI was accepted over the underperforming, greedy mediocrity of white Anerica.
Richard Hofstadter wrote "Anti-intellectualism in American Life" published in 1962, and won a Pulitzer Prize in 1964. Yea, looks like it's been known for a while that Americans are soft on intellect: famously so. That I had to source engineers from China, India and Germany to man industrial engineering sites gave me that insight long ago, before retiring.
He's not wrong.
But instead of just purchasing the best and the brightest from other countries (as if they are slaves!), we actually fund programs that will support our own best and brightest!
How many brilliant minds are trapped by poverty and bigotry and all of the side effects that come with it? By lack of healthcare, education, and access to basic resources. To 'provide for the ... general welfare of the United States.'
Support our own people!
According to Vivek, the ONLY thing that government should be responsible for is “securing the American boarders and protecting the personal property of its citizens.” Now how basic can one’s concept of government be? Look at Vivek’s primary source (family first) of influence tied into wanting to be an extreme American rah! rah! rah!
Praises and accolades to your comment!
Keep talking Ramasmarmy.....the more you talk, the more you keep the chaos and destruction within. More, please!!!
What Vivek says is irrelevant. He’s nothing more than a self serving, grifting, oopportunistic “immigrant.”
Ramaswamy is one of the most solidly mediocre people to have ever entered the public sphere in the US
You’re trippin
His bank account says otherwise.
I think Mr Ramaswaymy needs to find a different country to lecture.
The truth hurts much?
@@spikefivefivefive The American worker is still the most productive worker in the world. You should look at the stats before you pick a fight.
That's too bad, Vivek, because you and Dusk choose dirty money over your kind that you betrayed.
Bros forgot they’re supposed to stick to the script.
I hate to say he's not entirely wrong(yes I choked while saying that). What's surprising is it's this attitude that right-wingers accuse the left of having this elitist thinking. It's also coming from the same party that want's to eliminate the Departent of Education.
Eliminate Education or Indoctrination?
He proved he doesn't understand American culture
He is not lying , it seems that many want the easy money , many want to be social media influencers and middle men but not as many people want to get educated to create value. Rather than look to be offended we should look within to see what we can do to be better
He bad mouthes how much TV americans watch and then says they should vote for a reality TV star.
The irony is absolutely stunning.
What I really love is that the MAGAs think Donald Trump actually cares for the avg working person. Yeah, he cares as much as VP Elon Musk or creepy JD Vance.
He's NOT wrong!...but he is.
College Enrollment 18-23:
India 9%
America 38%
So young adults in America are enrolled in college at about 400% the clip of kids in India and don't talk to me about poverty, access or population size, keep it simple and basic - it's culture ya!.. or maybe a genetic issue. 😉
It’s a politically stupid statement, but I pretty much agree with his words. Trump supporters are not going to like him criticizing them as the people who are more supportive of those whose best years were playing sports in high school over standouts in academic achievement.
The MAGA folks are more upset about the promotion of H-1B visas by both Vivek & Elon. They are finding out that both men are just looking for cheap labor from outside the US.
Did Ramaswamy say we need to be "woke"?
Pretty much....
Ramaswamy gets a little power and thinks everything he says is golden. Predictable
Did it sound like a word salad to you?
"I was friends with school shooters."
Golden like that?
Trump is the champion of populist mediocrity.That's his shtik.Vivek is saying Trump is full of crap loud and clear.What is Pablo Torres doing commenting on this topic?
Vifake is just like every other magamouth. Now that he's not going to be president, he's slamming the very people he courted: fellow Americans...
Remember when Kamala called 18-22 year olds "stupid"?
Those were the very people she courted.
I guess we now know why she courted them.
Not many Americans who can do quant stuff.. hard to find. Hes not wrong.
What about Trump's complaint about foreigners taking good American jobs isn't that what this is? So it's really about paying workers less so they can have more, just plain greed!
It's always about the rich getting richer.
Ram Ram is not an American 😂😂!!
His birth certificate says otherwise.
Please tell me how jealous you are of his success without telling me how jealous you are of his success.
Vivek is partially correct. However, he's sounding "woke" to me. In addition, if he truly believes that, why is he supporting trump and the other maga dimwits?
As a decendent of immigrants as many Americans...i take serious offense at Vivek Ramaswamy's comments. American citizens have been closed out of applying for many of these "techinical" positions even with several degrees. Is this a sign of the economy? Yes and pretty much we should tighten the reigns on H1B visas from everywhere.
So Vivek wraped in his campaign run. And now it's stupid? Sure cupcake.
Ramascammy is the epitome of confidence over competence, pure hypocrisy
I never thought that I would agree with Ramaswamy on anything, but I think there was a lot of truth in what he said about why the United States needs to turn to highly skilled workers from other countries because we no longer prioritize education in this country. I have seen evidence of that cropping up in so many ways over the past few decades.
Well, my local high school cut art and music for football then the school board backs down on a no smart phones in class policy because parents said the "poor dears" need their phones in case mommy or daddy or their friends wants to contract them. Then parents blame the school when their kids get low SAT scores and can't get into a top university. Ramaswamy is right but this DOGE looks like the clown car drove into DC.
"I never thought that I would agree with Ramaswamy on anything."
Why is that?
@@geneclarke2205 I am not remotely a fan of DOGE (and most certainly not of Musk, and normally not of Ramaswamy either), but in this one instance, I do agree with the latter. It is sadly true that in many parts of our country, those who work hard and do well in school are looked down upon by their classmates. While having balance in life is important, we have tilted far too much towards the "relax and have a good time" view of life and away from the "work hard and take pride in your accomplishments" ethos we used to have. I don't think either extreme is healthy. We need to find a middle ground. We also need to celebrate those who pursue careers in the STEM fields as they are the ones who will help the United States be competitive with the rest of the world. Until that day comes, I would far rather American companies hire those with the necessary expertise (no matter where they were born) than have them work for China, North Korea, Russia, etc.
@@spikefivefivefive Ramaswamy is a near billionaire ex-CEO who is only interested in Wall Street and emphasizes the doctrine of shareholder primacy articulated by Milton Friedman. Ramaswamy co-founded Strive Asset Management and during his campaign he was pushing donors to use Strive for their pension fund management and was sighted for unregistered lobbying. He has one thing in mind with DOGE, enrich himself at the expense of taxpayers.
He's not right though, anecdotes be damned.
That posts sounds like He's upset because he wasn't the Homecoming king and now he's got an ax to grind. He's not going to impart change, he's going to impart his revenge
I'm guessing he's not a fan of DEI.
He wasn't talking about DEI. He was talking about American culture, which is mostly made up by whites.
He was actually talking about American culture.
When people start taking life advice from Ramasalami, the. It’s too late.
President Elon must be clutching his pearls right now
President Biden must be crapping his diaper right now.
He's been talking like this...why is everyone offended now that he's not limiting his criticism to one group of people?
I can hardly contain myself. 2:05
For the day that these whyt people see their grandchildren begging 👳♂️ for jobs.
And they say racism only exists on the Right.
@spikefivefivefive The right voted for Affirmative Action for Indians.
He is absolutely right. Americans are milk-toast. Most kids count on their phones to add two numbers together.
*He is absolutely right! We rank WAY down the list of top countries in math and science! In our cities, barely 50% of kids graduate HS at all! Our colleges turn out woke privileged kids who don't measure up to their parents or grandparents at that age!*
So the uneducated who voted for Trump and accepted simplistic answers, and got caught up with "woke" are the superior intellectual model. Vivek IS from that higher educated class. "Woke" is a yoke, you put upon yourself.
You are completely wrong - 85%+ of kids "in cities" graduate from high school. Instead of propagating stereotypes, why don't you actually look up the data.
Dear Paul: are you a Trump-fan? Have you heard about how he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education to save money, i.e., help fund his tax cuts for the wealthy? Vivek & Elon (& Donald) want cheap foreign labor for their companies.
While I despise both Trump and Ramaswamy, I have to say, he speaks some truth here.
Vivek is mostly concerned with cheap foreign labor. Ditto for Elon.
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I'm not seeing any men in dresses?😂😂
Go visit Mar-a-Lago. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Vivek is right. Laziness, complacency, ignorance, selfishness; all endemic to the present 🇺🇸 culture.
By design.
Title of the video gets his name wrong. Proof no 1.
@@markcosenza3274, yep. They WANT dim workers who aren't intelligent enough to understand how they are being fleeced and used by the billionaires. They condition people to adore money and worship billionaires, all the while being eaten by them. And most lack the critical thinking skills required to understand what is being done to them.
Why should they try? You already got all the good stuff
@Stroopwaffe1 that's not a thing.
American parents brag about how tall their son is, not about his grades. Swammy is right.
Impressive tone deafness
Meanwhile Whoopi Goldberg is struggling to survive on 6 million a year.
So he talked trash about America without calling it trash. Maybe he’ll run for President next.
he thinks he's so clever lol
This is so hilarious because republicans are the cause of all of this
Literally no one on the right is upset by what Vivek said, MSDNC is so desperate.🤣
What's crazy is that while Springfield Ohio was doing the exact same thing, everyone said they are stealing jobs and eating pets they have to go. Wow, but when it's beneficial for them, it's ok. They caused bomb threats, schools closing, and all.
What does he mean by "OUR" culture? From the looks of it.....he isn't one of us.
I’m a big democrat, however Ramaswamy is correct. Spelling bee champ gets a little scholarship sports kids get life on a silver platter. DUMB AS CAN BE.
Not really.
The sports kid is compensated on his ability to generate revenue. Capitalism at work.
How are people mad at this comment?🤦🏾♂️
Sports makes a lot of money.
He is absolutely right . . .
I'm latin by the way , and what he says is right on point .
India should be more advanced than. So should Latin countries.