Greed has never really changed. Slavery today is more modernized sure…. I mean, you get to pick the plantation you work for. But just like slavery you can never really own anything and as soon as you stop working, they take it all from you.
Viv and Elon are intentionally confusing two different types of visa. The H1B is for professionals with a bachelors degree, which we _already have plenty of._ The visa for foreigners with exceptional/highly sought after knowledge and skill is the 01 visa. So why would they say, "We need the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best..!" ad infinitum, ad nauseum, but then request H1Bs for these supposed people? And it's really simple: what they both want is to bring over a slew of low-end tech degrees because (spoiler alert!) they're cheaper than paying an American do the job. Oh, and just how are we going to "win" anything by bringing in India's worst (a bachelors from an Indian university is NOT the same as one from a U.S. university)?!
60 minutes did an expose a few years ago largely debunking the tech companies need to hire H1-B visa entrants. U.S. university tech grads are qualified or can be easily trained. They want cheap labor
Its not that we dont have the skills for the jobs we dont value the people that do the work, that is my understanding of what Vivek is saying and I agree with him. We are a celebrity worshipping culture sorry but that is the truth. How many people can name a scientist that invented something useful in their life?
@silentvoiceinthedark5665 Explain the party that has consistently worked _against_ the department of education, for decades, who are going to GUT it, to give tax breaks for their rich friends. Idiocracy was a documentary! They don't want smart, informed people, they would revolt !
They might have the skills but they don't want to settle for jobs they think are beneath them. That's why immigrants already run and own all of the garbage trucks, construction and landscape companies. Everyone who was born here always complains about "work conditions" meanwhile someone who just got here is just happy to be here and not somewhere else
@@jamesgeorge4874 Education went downhill after the introduction of the department of education. Just because it says education in the title doesn't mean it results in actually educating people. Stop supporting failed ideas and repeal things that don't work. The right wing absolutely values smart and educated people. The fact that you have to project those ideas on your opponents means that you're not engaging in the validity of the ideas being discussed. You are instead vilifying your opponents to make yourself feel better about your bad ideas and failed programs. Programs are not good or bad based on the intentions you have when you create them. They are good or bad based on how well they accomplish what you wanted them to accomplish.
Vivek, we Americans don't control what a certain group of people promote in our media and pop culture. He is using that as an excuse to promote foreign labor over Americans
I managed Indian IT workers for about the last 20 years of a 35 year career in IT. The only reason we hire them is they will work for about half of what Americans want and will work 16 hours a day. They are not more skilled at all. On the contrary, most come with no experience and are a waste of time for about the first 90 days.
That's my experience working in software development environments over 20 years. I have met some smart and capable Indian devs over the years but by and large there is little difference and command of English language can be a liability for sure.
Absolutely agree with you. I use to work for one of FANG companies and girls who worked with me were Indians and would get paid more than me but they would refuse to come to work and wouldn’t really do their job. When I would ask them what they are doing they would be like I making a lunch or went to Target for shopping while I was in the office working and finally quit my job because my lead was Indian and didn’t really care about that those girls were not working and other Americans are in the office and she would support her Indians only.
Yep, I was in Mortgage for a couple of years and all of our Jr Underwriters were in India. Where an Underwriter here in the states is a 75K+ salary, you could get Jr Underwriter in India for $6500 a year.
No, I don't think any capitalist does. They already outsource a ton of jobs. Anything that can be done remotely... I feel like Americans forgot about that. The "threat" really doesn't mostly come from the visa program, jobs in IT have a lot of them that can be done remotely and are already being outsourced. 😅
Vivek became a billionaire by creating a new company to buy patents. He created sub-companies..put patents in, hyped the stock..raised a ton of money, sold a enough shares to be a billionaire...then the patented medication failed testing. Company folded. He had at best, 8 employees..including his mother. He never built a successful company. He pumped and dumped stock on a failed med. He has zero experience running any decent size org...much less being an efficiency expert. The H1B system is not for the best and brightest, it's to fill gaps in the tech sector. The gaps appear when big-tech fire engineers as they hit middle-age and salaries become expensive...and replace them with low-wage foreign engineers they import and stack ten to an apartment. He's not a good man. He's not an expert.
They want to control their DEI HIRES. Sign an NDA. Controlled low wages most likely. If they go complain to another government agency, lose your work visa and automatic deportation. So much for hiring within the U S. DEPORTING people but bringing in more world permit visas. Hypocrites.
They want cheap labor. The H1B workers will work for half of what America workers. There are student loans to be paid back. There are plenty of talented tech workers in America not everyone watched Markle
He told the truth, the social woke bs is killing, American fear and racism is killing us, the gender battles is killing us, the privilege and the entitlement is killing us. And this is the battle Musk and Ramaswamy would continue to have with MAGA. The smarter thing for them would’ve been to recreate the Independent party. Trump caters to American bs and so does his followers…
Indeed. Its all about cheap labor. Elon, Vivek, and MTG are gaslighting with corporate bologna. They want Americans to have families, but aren't willign to invest in them. Our government needs to go in the worst way.
If tech companies really want to make America great again, maybe they could invest in training employees while they are still in American schools. Of course, you might have to pay them more than whoever you import from India.
IBM has a great tech program for high school students in the US. Many of the high school students in the program skip college and go right into a full time job working at IBM or other tech ventures. If other US tech companies implemented tech programs within the US school systems that would be fantastic.
Its not about talent in USA being unavailable or a shortage but its about getting those workers CHEAPER by shopping globally for workers who will take US jobs for the minimum legally mandated Visa wages. Musk and Swarmy are guys who are major shareholders of companies and want to get high skilled workers for lower cost and so positively impact the profit margin and their shares. No problem with these folks pushing their own best interests but dont try to fool me that its anything else.
I can’t agree more they should at least charge them the going wage, then with the contract premiums added to it that will give us Americans a chance. The last Trump administration was aware of this situation. No great America for this unemployed Engineer with 30+ Years of experience.
We have a much more developed economy, we are definitely lagging in culture, drugs and what not are ravaging communities from coast to coast across state lines and it’s getting worse.
I have been an engineer for 15 yrs. I have worked for fortune 500 companies and startups. I have even recruited at colleges. Thousands of STEM professional graduate each semester. Thousands are laid off by fortune 500 companies every year as those jobs are sent overseas. We do not have a STEM professional shortage shortage.
The fact that he knew who “Stefan” from “Family Matters” means that he was watching that show just like the rest of us. This is the grievance of a man who got picked on in high school and now that he has money, it’s “Revenge of the Nerds.”
The main reason is actually cost. He does have a point; American schooling is mediocre at best, however these companies _do not care_ whether they're hiring someone intelligent or not. They care about saving money and foreigners will work for less
@@soonerdad3 H1Bs are for bachelors degrees. 01 visas are for exceptional talent. We have more than enough of the former already, so why do they want to import more of them (bearing in mind that a STEM bachelors from an Indian university is NOT better than a STEM from a U.S. university (despite having its own shortcomings))?
You're conflating 2 issues. If American schooling is mediocre at best, why are most innovations starting out of America. The cost issue is really why companies are bringing in H1B workers in tech as everyone has mentioned and I think what your first sentence was alluding to.
I’m a software engineer over 15 yrs and now an Architect. Their work is normally subpar and code reviews are a task in itself. They pump out a lot of stuff and Americans have to fix it to make it production ready
Exactly! People will claim you’re racist for saying this but it’s 100% true. I work at an international company in DC and one of few Americans. I can confirm, people from this country are not smarter than Americans or harder working. They pay them a fraction of what Americans expect to be paid.
@@truthhub7395 It depends on different things 1. Budget 2. Requirements 3. Design 4. Technical stack 5 . The business aspect. 6. Engineers There are a lot of reasons apps why are bad, the list is not ordered in significance.
@@truthhub7395 There are many reasons 1. Bad design 2. Bad requirements gathering 3. Developers. 3 business with unrealistic expectations 4. Budget, a lot of times companies let Indian development centers do the work and people in USA, tries to clean it up, but doesn’t work well, usually because of deadlines.
They want to hire the best. We have failed to teach the basics of math and writing in our schools. It's going to take a long time to change our system of teaching.
H1Bs are loved by tech and engineering companies because they will work for less and become indentured to the company they come to work for. They will do anything to get here and put up with anything to stay once they are here. If these 2 tech bros get there way, in 4 years every single tech and engineering job in the US will be taken by Indians. There are millions waiting to get in and over 500,000 Indian H1B applications each year.
Only 80,000 H1Bs in total are issued every year. Of that 80,000 H1Bs, 20,000 is reserved for graduates from US universities i.e. Masters and PhDs from US universities. And 80,000 in total is the H1B visa quota for all skilled immigrants i.e. doctors + nurses + software engineers + civil engineers + electrical engineers + nuclear engineers etc. etc. Total immigrants legally allowed into the USA every year is around 1 million. 80,000 out of 1,000,000 is 0.08%. There is no way that H1Bs are the issue.
"Rich people who spent 40 years gutting education are wanting to replace any good jobs you could have with an immigrant because they are smarter than you are now." Is really the title you should display, yes we need to prioritize these jobs, it would sure help if you gave Americans the chance to do it lol.
Too many of our public schools have terrible average math scores, and you don't get engineers without math skills. Companies should not be allowed to pay lower salaries or benefits for foreign workers.
He's lying though. Yes the averages are low and many kids can't do math, but we have programs for advanced placement in public school and these kids are on a whole different level. He knows there are American engineers. They aren't cheap enough for him.
@@morganmadison366 How about we ban importing labor? That is the only way this gets better; at least, it's a start. There are a lot of other things need to be fixed, but fundamentally this is about cheap labor and they're trying to redirect the conversation to distract people Allowing this issue to be made more complex than that means it never, ever, ever gets solved. Because at the end of the day it's actually very simple
@Noconstitutionfordemocrats1 They suck because the administrations seem to spend more effort on indoctrination than actual education i.e. they try to tell you what to think instead of how to think. Doesn't mean that the training is bad, but intelligent people tend to check out at a certain point, so the end result is the same Anyway, yes our schools are in rough shape right now
Imagine that, Ramaswamy being pro-H1B. So now lets analyze which nation has the most holders of H1B visas to America, and you will understand his position succinctly.
Nah, he wants cheap labor from South America too. He is just playing his part in the left-right paradigm. One side gets you with cheap manual labor and the other gets you with cheap office labor.
Sadly our colleges do the same - they'll supply free housing, food, extend hours for the gym, have a private excercise room, rearrange course loads, even allow jocks to break rules as well as give them all sorts of "incentives" to play ball. You could be working on a cold fusion generator and the university may comp your education but not your housing or food. Is the main job of a university to supply football players and gender studies majors - is that what the world needs right now?
problem is: no one is trying to intmigrate and become citizens of India... nor China.... they want to come to the US. Now, if we were lazy, why would that be? Perhaps, the original Americans, black and white, were more innovative, then he thinks.
One look at Microsoft's online support pages will tell you that they are hiring idiots. Many of the "solutions" are written in pigeon English and will not solve the issue.
It’s not just about IT. There are genius Indian and other non white Americans who created or cofounded companies like UA-cam (jawed karim), Sandisk (Sanjay mehrotra), Bose corporation (amar bose), Sun Microsystems (Vinod khosla), eBay (omidyar), Yahoo (yang), nvidia (Jensen), inventions like usb (ajay Bhatt), hdtv (arun netravali), pentium (Vinod dham). This cheap labor thing is getting old. As Elon said, USA gets the best and brightest from around the world. Otherwise China and others will soon overtake us. Whos the ceo of google
On one hand, Diaper Donny says he wants tariffs on goods because, "America First", but, on the other hand, importing foreign workers is just fine. Too funny! It's okay to make American consumers pay more for goods, but don't even suggest corporations should pay more for labor! The grift is on, as always.
People should give Vivek a break, he is just confused because the knee pads Trump gave him are too tight and he must wear them when he is one with the mushroom
American corporations are pimping immigrant labor and paying them low wages. Years ago high school teenagers used to work fast food jobs after school so they would have some money for a high school ring, the year book, the prom, and more money than the allowance the typical parent would pay. Who remembers that? Now, fast food workers are immigrants with children who accepted the low wages only to strike for more, claiming it is not enough to live on. If you can not get free labor, the next best thing is cheap labor, and the best applicants are unskilled and uneducated immigrants. It is what it is.
YEP ! I'll deal cards better: Remember when College and University kids worked painting houses, cleaning up job sites, and worked Construction to help pay for their education ? Remember when you KNEW who delivered your morning paper and the paper boy's family? Nowadays: Newspapers are all but gone. If you want a construction job you need to go to Home Depot's parking lot hoping for Joe Contractor and about forty bucks for eight hours of work. That or pay about five grand in "initiation" fees to a trade union and live on bread crumbs for about the first two or three years. As long as we have people like Musk and Ramaswamy in an administration: Forget STEM.
Being spoken down to by Indians like this is so insufferable. Americans don't need to sacrifice arts and science. We need a government that represents and defends our interests, rather than the interests of foreign men from far off lands. It is clear that Vivek is not America first.
Our American culture he says. So glad he understands about our culture. He is not qualified to make any statements about culture. Has his family been here since the civil war? The great depression? Civil rights? The 80? The 90? NO!.
Your immigrant family has been here since the Civil War and none of them couldn't get into Harvard nor become a millionaire while Vivek who was born in Cincinnati in the 1980s became a successful Harvard graduate and a billionaire. In that sense, whose family is more useful to the American society?
@@lilmbaye29Our families graduated from Harvard and are multi-millionaires in America! So are millions of Americans! He has NO RIGHTS in our country! He’s an anchor baby!
Ya know, if this is true then why are they paying them less. I call BS. If it’s about hiring the best then pay them best. So much for hope these guys were who they claim to be.
Interesting fact. A large portion of H1B visa's are sponsored by Indian multinationals (Infosys, Wipro...etc) that have no interest in hiring Americans. They prefer Indians because H1-B visa holders are beholden to the firm and can be overworked long hours. Before burning out the H1B visa holder gets USA citizenship and leaves the sponsoring firm. The firm hires more H1-B visa holders from India to fill the vacancy and the cycle repeats. Good for Indians and Indian multinationals but not so good for Americans.
The bigger issue is Greed. In America money/capital is worth more than labor 100000/1. In America those whom have the most & do the least get the most. Those whom have the least & do the most get the least.
Agreed! American kids want big money but don't wanna do the WORK to earn it! We've been raising lazy kids! Why do you think most of the people working at McDonald's et al. are older people? You can't depend on the younger employees!
More our woke education system especially collegiate that has short changed our kids. My girls graduated STEM at UF and it was a struggle even then with professors pinging on them being girls in math and sciences. You are an unserious thing.
@ Well if those UF professors were “woke” they’d be more likely to support women (or girls as you say) who are studying STEM subjects. Maybe your point is we need more educators who are aware.
Vivek Ramaswamy wants to introduce the caste system to the United States. . . A social structure where people are born into a specific social group, called a caste, which determines their occupation, social standing, and who they can interact with, essentially locking them into a hierarchical system based on their birth family, with no opportunity in your lifetime to move up in society
Vivek distinguished himself and his accomplishments as Non-American with his words. Vivek doesn’t see himself as American from those statements so he can’t get upset when he is told that he isn’t American
I worked in a medical device manufacturing company for 15 years. They saturated their allowance for H1-B visas every year, and only THEN did they approach the teams at the nearby university. American expertise isn't missing, it's the greed of major corporations that are now owned by foreign entities that drive the problems. When foreign companies drive manufacturing and tech jobs in the USA, they aren't concerned about too much dilution of American jobs by foreign workers.
He's right! Whether you are from the hood or the suburbs. In Indian-American and Asian-American subculture, being smart is praised while being "other than" is shamed. America has a giant culture problem that will ultimately destroy this nation.
How dare kids want to engage in youthful activities like playing outside or participating on the baseball team! They should be in cram prepatory schools all summer!
If companies want to save $$ just cut CEO and other executive salaries. Better still, send CEO like Sundar Pichai back to India. He can work from there and be paid a paltry sum.that will save the company several millions
H1Bs get paid just as much as US nationals. It's illegal to underpay them. This has got nothing to do with cheap labour at all. The cheap labour issue has got nothing to do with H1Bs.
So what standards or metrics are they exactly using to generalize so many people and put them in a box, enough to make vague comparisons in 90s sitcoms characters (30 years old mind you)? What makes the education an immigrant receives more valuable than that of an American? Or is it rather that they would rather pay the former group less to save on labor costs?...
Has he ever built anything substantial ? I heard he tanked his biomedical startup and still made millions. Were the majority investors culturally backward ?
They don’t know ready made projects are sold in India for students not like in US where students have to do all the work by themselves and all of them go for private tuition after school
I don't believe that he needs to go to Yale and Harvard and pick the bus from there and all those other schools that produce fine American citizens that can do the job. How's that stop with the BS it makes it looking for cheap labor and on top of that, your loyalty should be to the American people. Isn't that right Vivek
A long post trashing the high school jock, sounds like someone with bitter memories of possibly being picked on. Who wrote that, Vivek, or someone from "Revenge of the Nerds"?
Trumps Deportation Plan: Farmers: Can our workers be exempt? Home Construction: Can our workers be exempt? Meat Processors: Can our workers be exempt? Tech Bros: Can our workers be exempt? MAGA: We thought you meant only the bad, criminal ones!! Everyone Else: LOAO!! FAFO!!! You bought it, it's yours now!!
We'll soon see. I'm sure there's a shortage of Home Construction workers and Farmers as well as Meat processors. All these businesses will close and we'll be in a depression because where are all our workers. They went to China where all the money really is. right?
This is so true ! What can they expect ? Fake interviews. Recruiter spam for some job in the middle of Godforsaken nowhere paying not even enough to feed a gerbil. On campus recruiting events amounting to nothing more than a public relations stunt. Submitting a resume and getting ghosted. If they decide they've had enough and start applying for menial work: The inevitable question will come up regarding their education. Omit the degree: They paint themselves lazy. List the degree: "You're overqualified ! " How do I know this ? I was once upon a time a "kid" and went through this very thing myself !
Anyone who has worked for InfoSys knows that the skill argument is not true it’s all about cheap labor
Greed has never really changed. Slavery today is more modernized sure…. I mean, you get to pick the plantation you work for. But just like slavery you can never really own anything and as soon as you stop working, they take it all from you.
Exactly. There are skilled Americans that can do the job.
Viv and Elon are intentionally confusing two different types of visa. The H1B is for professionals with a bachelors degree, which we _already have plenty of._ The visa for foreigners with exceptional/highly sought after knowledge and skill is the 01 visa. So why would they say, "We need the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best..!" ad infinitum, ad nauseum, but then request H1Bs for these supposed people? And it's really simple: what they both want is to bring over a slew of low-end tech degrees because (spoiler alert!) they're cheaper than paying an American do the job. Oh, and just how are we going to "win" anything by bringing in India's worst (a bachelors from an Indian university is NOT the same as one from a U.S. university)?!
You got that right I am an unemployed Test Engineer and it is because of the HB1 VISA PROGRAM.
That is correct. Lived through that hell for nearly 2 years, in-between jobs (Infosys isn't a real job).
Soooo why aren’t they hiring all the tech workers who were laid off over the past couple years…..sounds suspicious 🤨
The very best ones come from India.
@@karimbennett5651 i think you mean the cheapest! 🤣
@@karimbennett5651 Would those be the same ones who designed India's sewer and road systems? 🤣🤣🤣
He’s a *WEF puppet*
@@karimbennett5651no they very much do not. They also rack up debt and ditch it when they leave after getting what they want.
60 minutes did an expose a few years ago largely debunking the tech companies need to hire H1-B visa entrants. U.S. university tech grads are qualified or can be easily trained. They want cheap labor
What’s the issue? They can hire who they want
@ there are legal rules for H1-B visas. They are violating those rules and breaking the law. That is a big deal.
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Tech companies with take BOTH cheap labor AND harder working foreign students.
@@anonygrazer3234 fax, im an American who understands how business works and a business is to make money
Hire cheap labor if you must, but don’t tell Americans that they don’t have the skills for the damn jobs.
Its not that we dont have the skills for the jobs we dont value the people that do the work, that is my understanding of what Vivek is saying and I agree with him. We are a celebrity worshipping culture sorry but that is the truth. How many people can name a scientist that invented something useful in their life?
I cannot support Trump if he moves forward with this plan for amnesty for Indians.
@silentvoiceinthedark5665 Explain the party that has consistently worked _against_ the department of education, for decades, who are going to
GUT it, to give tax breaks for their rich friends. Idiocracy was a documentary! They don't want smart, informed people, they would revolt !
They might have the skills but they don't want to settle for jobs they think are beneath them. That's why immigrants already run and own all of the garbage trucks, construction and landscape companies. Everyone who was born here always complains about "work conditions" meanwhile someone who just got here is just happy to be here and not somewhere else
@@jamesgeorge4874 Education went downhill after the introduction of the department of education. Just because it says education in the title doesn't mean it results in actually educating people. Stop supporting failed ideas and repeal things that don't work.
The right wing absolutely values smart and educated people. The fact that you have to project those ideas on your opponents means that you're not engaging in the validity of the ideas being discussed. You are instead vilifying your opponents to make yourself feel better about your bad ideas and failed programs.
Programs are not good or bad based on the intentions you have when you create them. They are good or bad based on how well they accomplish what you wanted them to accomplish.
Vivek, we Americans don't control what a certain group of people promote in our media and pop culture. He is using that as an excuse to promote foreign labor over Americans
I managed Indian IT workers for about the last 20 years of a 35 year career in IT. The only reason we hire them is they will work for about half of what Americans want and will work 16 hours a day. They are not more skilled at all. On the contrary, most come with no experience and are a waste of time for about the first 90 days.
That's my experience working in software development environments over 20 years. I have met some smart and capable Indian devs over the years but by and large there is little difference and command of English language can be a liability for sure.
Exactly
True. 65K is good number. Not counting out sourcing.
Absolutely agree with you. I use to work for one of FANG companies and girls who worked with me were Indians and would get paid more than me but they would refuse to come to work and wouldn’t really do their job. When I would ask them what they are doing they would be like I making a lunch or went to Target for shopping while I was in the office working and finally quit my job because my lead was Indian and didn’t really care about that those girls were not working and other Americans are in the office and she would support her Indians only.
Yep, I was in Mortgage for a couple of years and all of our Jr Underwriters were in India. Where an Underwriter here in the states is a 75K+ salary, you could get Jr Underwriter in India for $6500 a year.
It sounds like Vivek does not think very highly of Americans
@@squirrel3200 People get what they voted for 🇺🇲
No, I don't think any capitalist does.
They already outsource a ton of jobs. Anything that can be done remotely...
I feel like Americans forgot about that. The "threat" really doesn't mostly come from the visa program, jobs in IT have a lot of them that can be done remotely and are already being outsourced. 😅
Elon musk said it first he’s just backing Elon 🤣
Vivek became a billionaire by creating a new company to buy patents. He created sub-companies..put patents in, hyped the stock..raised a ton of money, sold a enough shares to be a billionaire...then the patented medication failed testing. Company folded. He had at best, 8 employees..including his mother. He never built a successful company. He pumped and dumped stock on a failed med. He has zero experience running any decent size org...much less being an efficiency expert.
The H1B system is not for the best and brightest, it's to fill gaps in the tech sector. The gaps appear when big-tech fire engineers as they hit middle-age and salaries become expensive...and replace them with low-wage foreign engineers they import and stack ten to an apartment.
He's not a good man. He's not an expert.
He doesn’t.
He’s a WEF puppet
Vivek is Indian, and 70% of H1B visa goes to Indians, and a lot more are in backlog waiting, that’s all needed to be said
Really 70%? Wow they must be very smart!
@ of course, they build the best country in the world
He’s American. He at least thinks so
They want to control their DEI HIRES. Sign an NDA. Controlled low wages most likely. If they go complain to another government agency, lose your work visa and automatic deportation. So much for hiring within the U S.
DEPORTING people but bringing in more world permit visas. Hypocrites.
@@Alloy-p3u it was not Indians who founded USA. At the time when USA was founded India was British Empires' servant.
They want cheap labor. The H1B workers will work for half of what America workers. There are student loans to be paid back. There are plenty of talented tech workers in America not everyone watched Markle
half is still more then most americans make
They should have to pay the same but what he said was not wrong. We need to get strong in every field and quite sourcing things to others
He told the truth, the social woke bs is killing, American fear and racism is killing us, the gender battles is killing us, the privilege and the entitlement is killing us. And this is the battle Musk and Ramaswamy would continue to have with MAGA. The smarter thing for them would’ve been to recreate the Independent party. Trump caters to American bs and so does his followers…
Indeed. Its all about cheap labor. Elon, Vivek, and MTG are gaslighting with corporate bologna. They want Americans to have families, but aren't willign to invest in them. Our government needs to go in the worst way.
That's all it is. Cheap labor. Vivek, Elon, and MTG are trying to gaslight with corporate BS.
If tech companies really want to make America great again, maybe they could invest in training employees while they are still in American schools. Of course, you might have to pay them more than whoever you import from India.
IBM has a great tech program for high school students in the US. Many of the high school students in the program skip college and go right into a full time job working at IBM or other tech ventures. If other US tech companies implemented tech programs within the US school systems that would be fantastic.
but these educated americans will be harder to control so the GOP don't want that.
I think you need to start entertaining the idea that these tech companies don’t care about that and like all companies only care about making money….
Lol they don't give a crap about making america great again. They care about making themselves richer and with less accountability again
The imports are not paid less than local talent. Outsourced services are cheap, but they never enter the US
Its not about talent in USA being unavailable or a shortage but its about getting those workers CHEAPER by shopping globally for workers who will take US jobs for the minimum legally mandated Visa wages. Musk and Swarmy are guys who are major shareholders of companies and want to get high skilled workers for lower cost and so positively impact the profit margin and their shares.
No problem with these folks pushing their own best interests but dont try to fool me that its anything else.
You could not be more correct. I have managed larg teams of Indians that under performe the Americans.
Musk and Vivek want to exploit them for 80 hours a week for cheap so they can get richer. Musk did that with Twitter. 80 hours with no pay.
@@DavidSmith-ox4tu We had this experiment 25 years ago in IT. Immigrant labor is cheap and not as good. PERIOD.
I can’t agree more they should at least charge them the going wage, then with the contract premiums added to it that will give us Americans a chance. The last Trump administration was aware of this situation. No great America for this unemployed Engineer with 30+ Years of experience.
Agree
i live in a largely immigrant lived in apartment complex, PLEASE STOP HIRING THESE INDIANS
Sounds like you need to get your money up😂
The train has already left the station. They now control the process so they hire their own and have gamed the tech industry.
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ALBINO spotted!😂😂
Irving?
How about Ramaswampy move to India since its so great and American culture is so bad
Wow. The old “go back where you came from” rhetoric from racist Democrats.
I bet he ran from India in the first place via his parents.
We have a much more developed economy, we are definitely lagging in culture, drugs and what not are ravaging communities from coast to coast across state lines and it’s getting worse.
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He’s a WEF puppet
America should be prioritizing its own citizens. Our citizens shouldn't be struggling to find jobs because they are competing with Indian foreigners
Unemployment is at an all time low
@@PhishyBusiness😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
They don’t care about that where technology work is considered. If Indians are the best engineers, the jobs are theirs for the having.
So much for meritocracy and the free market.
Babe we will soon be competing with robots. 😂
I have been an engineer for 15 yrs. I have worked for fortune 500 companies and startups. I have even recruited at colleges. Thousands of STEM professional graduate each semester. Thousands are laid off by fortune 500 companies every year as those jobs are sent overseas. We do not have a STEM professional shortage shortage.
Everybody Loves Raymond but everyone is gonna hate Vivek..
i hate raymond and vivek. it's the ego.
@ just keeping with the 90’s sitcom theme.
@@triplejunction7073 oh. i get it.
The fact that he knew who “Stefan” from “Family Matters” means that he was watching that show just like the rest of us. This is the grievance of a man who got picked on in high school and now that he has money, it’s “Revenge of the Nerds.”
The main reason is actually cost. He does have a point; American schooling is mediocre at best, however these companies _do not care_ whether they're hiring someone intelligent or not. They care about saving money and foreigners will work for less
That is the colleges and universities fault and not the tech companies that need the highly educated and skilled workers.
@@soonerdad3 H1Bs are for bachelors degrees. 01 visas are for exceptional talent. We have more than enough of the former already, so why do they want to import more of them (bearing in mind that a STEM bachelors from an Indian university is NOT better than a STEM from a U.S. university (despite having its own shortcomings))?
You're conflating 2 issues. If American schooling is mediocre at best, why are most innovations starting out of America. The cost issue is really why companies are bringing in H1B workers in tech as everyone has mentioned and I think what your first sentence was alluding to.
Lol depends on your tax bracket and access to tutors and if your parents knew how to train a boy.
@@brianstarfire
Because this country’s economic systems makes it much easier and efficient to innovate
Is Vivek talking about those East Indian Engineers on tech forums desperately pleading for help because of their incompetence ?
I’m a software engineer over 15 yrs and now an Architect. Their work is normally subpar and code reviews are a task in itself. They pump out a lot of stuff and Americans have to fix it to make it production ready
Indeed! Well said! 45 year American software engineer.
Exactly! People will claim you’re racist for saying this but it’s 100% true. I work at an international company in DC and one of few Americans. I can confirm, people from this country are not smarter than Americans or harder working. They pay them a fraction of what Americans expect to be paid.
Why so many apps are garbage
@@truthhub7395 It depends on different things 1. Budget 2. Requirements 3. Design 4. Technical stack 5 . The business aspect. 6. Engineers There are a lot of reasons apps why are bad, the list is not ordered in significance.
@@truthhub7395 There are many reasons 1. Bad design 2. Bad requirements gathering 3. Developers. 3 business with unrealistic expectations 4. Budget, a lot of times companies let Indian development centers do the work and people in USA, tries to clean it up, but doesn’t work well, usually because of deadlines.
If you didn't think Vivi and Elon are in it for themselves, well........geez.
They want to hire the best. We have failed to teach the basics of math and writing in our schools. It's going to take a long time to change our system of teaching.
@@Terry-hh3sx America has the absolute top-tier STEM universities in the world, that makes no sense
@@Terry-hh3sxIf the "best" come here to learn in US institutions and work at US companies. Who really is the best then?
@@Terry-hh3sxwho cares are you a tech ceo?
@@Rust_Rust_Rust. yeah WHO IS US ?? Is it the US or us or you and me ???😮😮😮
H1Bs are loved by tech and engineering companies because they will work for less and become indentured to the company they come to work for. They will do anything to get here and put up with anything to stay once they are here.
If these 2 tech bros get there way, in 4 years every single tech and engineering job in the US will be taken by Indians. There are millions waiting to get in and over 500,000 Indian H1B applications each year.
Only 80,000 H1Bs in total are issued every year. Of that 80,000 H1Bs, 20,000 is reserved for graduates from US universities i.e. Masters and PhDs from US universities.
And 80,000 in total is the H1B visa quota for all skilled immigrants i.e. doctors + nurses + software engineers + civil engineers + electrical engineers + nuclear engineers etc. etc.
Total immigrants legally allowed into the USA every year is around 1 million.
80,000 out of 1,000,000 is 0.08%. There is no way that H1Bs are the issue.
@@Poseidon-i4tand you think tgeg can't change that cap. Please. Lol😅
"Rich people who spent 40 years gutting education are wanting to replace any good jobs you could have with an immigrant because they are smarter than you are now." Is really the title you should display, yes we need to prioritize these jobs, it would sure help if you gave Americans the chance to do it lol.
Too many of our public schools have terrible average math scores, and you don't get engineers without math skills.
Companies should not be allowed to pay lower salaries or benefits for foreign workers.
He's lying though. Yes the averages are low and many kids can't do math, but we have programs for advanced placement in public school and these kids are on a whole different level. He knows there are American engineers. They aren't cheap enough for him.
@@morganmadison366 How about we ban importing labor? That is the only way this gets better; at least, it's a start. There are a lot of other things need to be fixed, but fundamentally this is about cheap labor and they're trying to redirect the conversation to distract people
Allowing this issue to be made more complex than that means it never, ever, ever gets solved. Because at the end of the day it's actually very simple
So, our schools suck, but they co.e here to learn at our schools? Makes sense.
@Noconstitutionfordemocrats1 They suck because the administrations seem to spend more effort on indoctrination than actual education i.e. they try to tell you what to think instead of how to think. Doesn't mean that the training is bad, but intelligent people tend to check out at a certain point, so the end result is the same
Anyway, yes our schools are in rough shape right now
I’m NOT understanding he complains about low test scores in math but wants to get rid of Dept of Education 🧐
in that case then vivek and his parents should have stayed in india around all of the intelligent hard working people there.
Vivek was born in Ohio and never lived in India.
I really don't care what Vivek thinks about anything.
He’s a WEF puppet
I liked him the first time he spoke , and after that I thought he was full of crap.
But you still posted a comment here
@@Maxblac00 look up how he made his fortune
stealing from our seniors
thank you. so let's get rid of him.
We don't want H1b and we don't care how cheap you want your labor. Your labors cheapness is not the priority of the United States public.
Imagine that, Ramaswamy being pro-H1B. So now lets analyze which nation has the most holders of H1B visas to America, and you will understand his position succinctly.
So this guy wants to get rid of immigration unless they are from India
Land of Canaan
Nah, he wants cheap labor from South America too. He is just playing his part in the left-right paradigm. One side gets you with cheap manual labor and the other gets you with cheap office labor.
H1B is legal immigration. Big difference
He didn't say he wants to get rid of immigrants.
Sadly our colleges do the same - they'll supply free housing, food, extend hours for the gym, have a private excercise room, rearrange course loads, even allow jocks to break rules as well as give them all sorts of "incentives" to play ball. You could be working on a cold fusion generator and the university may comp your education but not your housing or food. Is the main job of a university to supply football players and gender studies majors - is that what the world needs right now?
problem is: no one is trying to intmigrate and become citizens of India... nor China.... they want to come to the US. Now, if we were lazy, why would that be? Perhaps, the original Americans, black and white, were more innovative, then he thinks.
We had this experiment 25 years ago in IT. Immigrant labor is cheap and not as good. PERIOD.
One look at Microsoft's online support pages will tell you that they are hiring idiots. Many of the "solutions" are written in pigeon English and will not solve the issue.
It’s not just about IT. There are genius Indian and other non white Americans who created or cofounded companies like UA-cam (jawed karim), Sandisk (Sanjay mehrotra), Bose corporation (amar bose), Sun Microsystems (Vinod khosla), eBay (omidyar), Yahoo (yang), nvidia (Jensen), inventions like usb (ajay Bhatt), hdtv (arun netravali), pentium (Vinod dham). This cheap labor thing is getting old. As Elon said, USA gets the best and brightest from around the world. Otherwise China and others will soon overtake us.
Whos the ceo of google
The big IT companies had huge layoffs last year and each tech job posting has 100's of applicants. There is a big supply of tech workers out there.
100% agree with you. I would add, well qualified American tech workers.
Exactly right.
Because they will work a lot cheaper these companies don't have to pay as much
@@joshua6839 they get paid around 3 percent more
and they are smarter too
This country will be Mumbai in 4 years.
Less than that
@@AntiDecepticonCampaign you give too much credit to Mumbai. Mumbai is our finance capital and not our tech capital. Source: I live here.
I live in WA close to Seattle or as I like to call it "Little India."
Much worse than that he wants to prepare his vote bank for next president election he will be president
This guy is bogus. He’s distracting you so he gets the money. That’s all
He's not wrong..... but neither are you.
finally someone that gets it
billionaires do not belong in the government
On one hand, Diaper Donny says he wants tariffs on goods because, "America First", but, on the other hand, importing foreign workers is just fine. Too funny!
It's okay to make American consumers pay more for goods, but don't even suggest corporations should pay more for labor!
The grift is on, as always.
so he's saying the American worker is deplorable? hypocritical to say the least.
He’s WEF and Soros funded from the start.
Election is over. trump won. So now they can speak the truth.
add this name to the Luigi list
Yes they are
@@AyushMaurya-sw4et dr!nkb!each fiIth
Drop the cost of education republicans.
Democrats had YEARS to do that and DID NOT
@ Republicans have always wanted the cost of education to be high. They want their rich kids to be the only ones who can afford it.
Both parties are one the same side and have zero interest in doing that.
Their kids go to those schools. The price helps maintain the exclusivity.
Eliminate student loans, and all prices will decrease.
People should give Vivek a break, he is just confused because the knee pads Trump gave him are too tight and he must wear them when he is one with the mushroom
Imagine what would happen if one day, God forbid, this Vivek becomes POTUS?
No worries, they didnt vote for the Indian woman. I doubt he will get the votes
Plexiglass manufacturing would see a boom...
Vivek is India first
His own interests first
And the Insults keep coming. He just.called all.Americans Unintelligent....
American corporations are pimping immigrant labor and paying them low wages. Years ago high school teenagers used to work fast food jobs after school so they would have some money for a high school ring, the year book, the prom, and more money than the allowance the typical parent would pay. Who remembers that? Now, fast food workers are immigrants with children who accepted the low wages only to strike for more, claiming it is not enough to live on. If you can not get free labor, the next best thing is cheap labor, and the best applicants are unskilled and uneducated immigrants. It is what it is.
YEP ! I'll deal cards better: Remember when College and University kids worked painting houses, cleaning up job sites, and worked Construction to help pay for their education ? Remember when you KNEW who delivered your morning paper and the paper boy's family?
Nowadays: Newspapers are all but gone. If you want a construction job you need to go to Home Depot's parking lot hoping for Joe Contractor and about forty bucks for eight hours of work. That or pay about five grand in "initiation" fees to a trade union and live on bread crumbs for about the first two or three years.
As long as we have people like Musk and Ramaswamy in an administration: Forget STEM.
How can he be in government without being fully vetted?!?
He’s rich. That’s all the vetting he needs.
It's not a cabinet position, DOGE is just an advisory committee, so no confirmation required.
F'that this America is about be India 2.0 😂
Welcome to the oligarchy.
Says the lowly person that no one cares about.
I thought the MAGA movement was against globalism
America is great due to globalism.
You THOUGHT
@@kaushiksarker8550 America was great before globalism and globalism has dragged us down
Being spoken down to by Indians like this is so insufferable.
Americans don't need to sacrifice arts and science.
We need a government that represents and defends our interests, rather than the interests of foreign men from far off lands.
It is clear that Vivek is not America first.
Here you go maga. Make sense of this for us. You did this. You turned this beautiful cathedral into a circus tent.
Bro clearly does not like the US culture.
Vivek should ask Trump to buy India instead of Greenland. That way, Vivek will have plenty of cheap labor to take over the American workforce.
😂😂good joke
Our American culture he says. So glad he understands about our culture. He is not qualified to make any statements about culture. Has his family been here since the civil war? The great depression? Civil rights? The 80? The 90? NO!.
He was born in the 80's in ohio
Your immigrant family has been here since the Civil War and none of them couldn't get into Harvard nor become a millionaire while Vivek who was born in Cincinnati in the 1980s became a successful Harvard graduate and a billionaire. In that sense, whose family is more useful to the American society?
@@lilmbaye29Our families graduated from Harvard and are multi-millionaires in America! So are millions of Americans! He has NO RIGHTS in our country! He’s an anchor baby!
@@Alexandria.Washington show the receipts like Vivek did.
@@lilmbaye29 vivek was a trustfund baby lmao. cope more jeet
Ya know, if this is true then why are they paying them less. I call BS. If it’s about hiring the best then pay them best. So much for hope these guys were who they claim to be.
Interesting fact. A large portion of H1B visa's are sponsored by Indian multinationals (Infosys, Wipro...etc) that have no interest in hiring Americans. They prefer Indians because H1-B visa holders are beholden to the firm and can be overworked long hours. Before burning out the H1B visa holder gets USA citizenship and leaves the sponsoring firm. The firm hires more H1-B visa holders from India to fill the vacancy and the cycle repeats. Good for Indians and Indian multinationals but not so good for Americans.
FAFO time soon.
Not looking forward to these idiots in power
There are skillful Americans with good communications skills who have got laid off. Why not hiring them.
The bigger issue is Greed. In America money/capital is worth more than labor 100000/1. In America those whom have the most & do the least get the most. Those whom have the least & do the most get the least.
Agreed! American kids want big money but don't wanna do the WORK to earn it! We've been raising lazy kids! Why do you think most of the people working at McDonald's et al. are older people? You can't depend on the younger employees!
We've all been sold out!
Importing cheap labor and displacing Americans for low skill jobs is bad but good for high skill jobs??
H1Bs get paid just as much as US nationals. It's illegal to underpay them.
The cheap labour issue has got nothing to do with H1Bs.
Hey, MAGA. Sounds to me like Vivek doesn’t think you all are smart enough to do the work. 🤔
Never trusting Vivek or Elon again... the H1B needs to be abolished! It been a total net-negative for america!
Vivek can shove it. Him and Elon.
Lmao.... ELon played Y'all.... African and Indian running America 😂
Both are WEF puppets. Gabbard too. Hegseth is a Jesuit Templar.
These are globalists. Trumps WHOLE cabinet is completely compromised.
Careful how you speak about President Musk... They'll come for you in the night.
At least we know that nobody will vote for either of them if they each run for President in 2028.
@@greenearthblueskies8556Vivek is Indian-American actually. He was born in Ohio.
Anything not "made in America" needs a tariff if imported. This includes cheap imported labor to replace American labor.
No, not a tariff. A ban. All imports need to be banned.
@@Raja1938 No diffrent than China building cars in Mexico to send up north.
The negative externalities for importing marginal labor are immense and ongoing.
I guess he has spent too much time watching American sitcoms instead of Bollywood movies.
DOGE is cooking up Swarmy Muskrat Curry for us all to swallow!
I almost fainted reading this!😂🤣
The Apprentice is what took down the entire US to less than mediocrity.
You single out that compared to every other garbage show from the last 15 years?
More our woke education system especially collegiate that has short changed our kids. My girls graduated STEM at UF and it was a struggle even then with professors pinging on them being girls in math and sciences. You are an unserious thing.
@ yes
@ Well if those UF professors were “woke” they’d be more likely to support women (or girls as you say) who are studying STEM subjects. Maybe your point is we need more educators who are aware.
@DancingQueenie Explaination?
Why do these rich men think we really care about their views on workers??
So now they wanna give more of our jobs away
So I guess after getting rejected by the cheerleader types Vivek spent a LOT of time in front of the TV.
Vivek Ramaswamy wants to introduce the caste system to the United States. . .
A social structure where people are born into a specific social group, called a caste, which determines their occupation, social standing, and who they can interact with, essentially locking them into a hierarchical system based on their birth family, with no opportunity in your lifetime to move up in society
That's called racism in US
Vivek distinguished himself and his accomplishments as Non-American with his words. Vivek doesn’t see himself as American from those statements so he can’t get upset when he is told that he isn’t American
That has to be the worst analogy
Just say you didn't bother reading it....
Bring in scientists from Russia that are creating hypersonic missles, not rickshaw drivers to compete against other uber drivers.
So you are saying we are actually bringing in rickshaw drivers ?
@@silentvoiceinthedark5665 Yes, countless thousands of them.
@@brandonb6164 : Really? Can you provide your source?
@@ChandraSedari you people are beyond parody.
H1B is not for rikshaw driver 😛.
That's why whenever you call customer service it's always Apu from the Simpsons answering the phone 😂
DOGE guys at work - dodging the issues.
How does hiring cheap H1 B labor impact GOVERNMENT efficiency? Is the government hirinv these people?
More hours at work and less pay, simple solution.
H1Bs can't work for the federal government because they are not U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals.
Vivek should of never got in office for this job. He is not good for this job..He is a phoney.
Correct
Duh. Trump wants his DEI requirements met. Welcome to Bangladesh lol.
Why is Vivek a phoney??
Should of? ‘Vivek should of never got in office for this job’ - What does it even mean? Vivek at least can write a simple sentence properly in English
Damn!! It’s getting spicy in here!🥵🥶😂
his political career is dead now
I worked in a medical device manufacturing company for 15 years. They saturated their allowance for H1-B visas every year, and only THEN did they approach the teams at the nearby university. American expertise isn't missing, it's the greed of major corporations that are now owned by foreign entities that drive the problems. When foreign companies drive manufacturing and tech jobs in the USA, they aren't concerned about too much dilution of American jobs by foreign workers.
You voted for this America 😂😂🤡🫵🏽
are the immigrant workers getting paid less?
seems like $$ is usually behind it.
@@randy944 they're not. The whole cheap labor thing is a misconception
He's very truthful. America is behind, time to wake up parents.
Government education made them behind.
He's right though, I can never find anybody who can talk about idea's, they get upset talking about ideas.
He's right! Whether you are from the hood or the suburbs. In Indian-American and Asian-American subculture, being smart is praised while being "other than" is shamed. America has a giant culture problem that will ultimately destroy this nation.
How dare kids want to engage in youthful activities like playing outside or participating on the baseball team! They should be in cram prepatory schools all summer!
If companies want to save $$ just cut CEO and other executive salaries. Better still, send CEO like Sundar Pichai back to India. He can work from there and be paid a paltry sum.that will save the company several millions
H1Bs get paid just as much as US nationals. It's illegal to underpay them. This has got nothing to do with cheap labour at all.
The cheap labour issue has got nothing to do with H1Bs.
😂😂
So what standards or metrics are they exactly using to generalize so many people and put them in a box, enough to make vague comparisons in 90s sitcoms characters (30 years old mind you)? What makes the education an immigrant receives more valuable than that of an American? Or is it rather that they would rather pay the former group less to save on labor costs?...
Because they look like him
😂😂😂😂😂 the MAGA family members are realizing they were used by their bosses, again.
Has he ever built anything substantial ? I heard he tanked his biomedical startup and still made millions. Were the majority investors culturally backward ?
Hes not wrong about our culture; that we've become a soft, complacent and comfortable people.
He leaves out the part where companies lay off tech workers and engineers because it was seen as cheaper to outsource the same jobs.
90% of 1HB goes to the Indians
Ashamed to say he and Elon are right! This is what the education system has done to our country
They don’t know ready made projects are sold in India for students not like in US where students have to do all the work by themselves and all of them go for private tuition after school
I don't believe that he needs to go to Yale and Harvard and pick the bus from there and all those other schools that produce fine American citizens that can do the job. How's that stop with the BS it makes it looking for cheap labor and on top of that, your loyalty should be to the American people. Isn't that right Vivek
Ivy league is garbage legacy education.
Replacement migration
A long post trashing the high school jock, sounds like someone with bitter memories of possibly being picked on. Who wrote that, Vivek, or someone from "Revenge of the Nerds"?
Keep talking, Vivek and Elon 🤣
Hell No,to Vivek and Musk and immigration! I want my Trump vote back, along with my family! Trump needs to tell them, they are FIRED!
Trumps Deportation Plan: Farmers: Can our workers be exempt? Home Construction: Can our workers be exempt? Meat Processors: Can our workers be exempt? Tech Bros: Can our workers be exempt? MAGA: We thought you meant only the bad, criminal ones!! Everyone Else: LOAO!! FAFO!!! You bought it, it's yours now!!
We'll soon see. I'm sure there's a shortage of Home Construction workers and Farmers as well as Meat processors. All these businesses will close and we'll be in a depression because where are all our workers. They went to China where all the money really is. right?
Meanwhile thousands of kids get progrmming degrees and cannot get jobs!
This is so true ! What can they expect ? Fake interviews. Recruiter spam for some job in the middle of Godforsaken nowhere paying not even enough to feed a gerbil.
On campus recruiting events amounting to nothing more than a public relations stunt.
Submitting a resume and getting ghosted.
If they decide they've had enough and start applying for menial work: The inevitable question will come up regarding their education. Omit the degree: They paint themselves lazy. List the degree: "You're overqualified ! "
How do I know this ? I was once upon a time a "kid" and went through this very thing myself !
Didnt Zach get a higher SAT score than Screech?
And thats how it is in real life too.
Anyone who worked with Wipro and Tata Consulting Agency workers know that too.
Hmmm MAGA crowd are having second thoughts on DEI 😂