I personally feel the author wants to show how evil this world is. Ainz does some messed up stuff from time to time and can easily be seen as the villain of the show. But when you get to see the horrible people of the new world and what they are capable of doing to each other then Ainz almost becomes their savior instead of a villain.
Humanity has almost died off *twice* within the last 600 years in this world. The New World has been a scary place since the start and to be honest, Nazarick isn't making it worse because there's been plenty more inhumane atrocities that have occured that they aren't even connected to.
That's a strong point you're stating here, if you only see some of Ainz cruel doings in the new world you'd think of him as the villain, but once you try to see the whole picture you'd see him as the savior, the different overlord have from other Animes is that he's not trying to save every single person he meet outside of Nazarick, because in reality he knows he can't which is true, Ainz plan for salvation is a straight one, stepping over both bad and good people alike in order to reach that goal, but that doesn't mean he actually won't care about saving good people when he see the opportunity to do so.
author said they are 100% not evil its the law of jungle the strong one lives and the weak one dies. They are in a new world not knowing whats out there
He actually does think about others...he just doesn't care unless he gets something out of it too. I do however agree with your idea about what the author is trying to teach us.
I think the biggest point Maruyama wants to get is? Who hurts people the most? A bunch of heartless monsters or humans themselves? Sometimes Ainz is more human just remember the case of Tuare. Sure in this season Ainz is getting even worse, but it's expected from an undead skeleton. I love Overlord and for sure I want to see he achieving his goals.
Even worse? I don't expect a skeleton is gonna be a good type mc lol. I like this better than normal mc who kind of forcing the plot for winning or luck without in depth knowledge
I think one of the main theme of this show is reverence. Ainz in this world can be considered a god in the eyes of the people, and it shows that while such an entity can show great mercy, Ainz can also show great despair. It is a story telling how the world response to someone/something that is a threat to their very being, and so far i still find Ainz actions understandable, although most of the time morally unacceptable. What i like even more is that his mere existence is enough to unite everyone out of fear/reverence. So while he is not the Mr. Nice Guy, i would say he is very smart in handling the survival of the Great Tomb of Nazarick in a foreign world. Heck, if you change him with typical protagonists, they are probably the type that will just straight up conquer the whole world and declare war on everyone without putting much thought.
Razeluxe 13 I like this too. My point is comparing with season one Ainz, he is more evil, that's all. He is an awesome character, with all his internal conflict and "plans".
I personally don't think he went too far as a writer myself I admire how much detail went into his work and how he went somewhere where most are afraid to write about he may have not wrote it in the light novel but it's connon from that interview. Yes the topic is extremely disturbing and wrong but from an writer it's brilliant and gives you a reminder of how dark and disturbing this story is. It gives you a sense of reality that is not really found in most works often. He is an amazing author for not being afraid to say something that disturbing and wrong about a part of his work I admire that. So no, I do not think he went to far with that detail it just proves how much detail went into this glorious series
I would go one step further and say that this series is as popular as it is BECAUSE he puts this much detail into it. Yes lore like this is about as dark as you can get but it's not just thrown out there for shock value. The level of detail gives this world so much realism that when you hear the author say this replay the reason you recoil from it so hard is you almost are guaranteed to think of Tuareninya and her treatment as a slave and because he went through the trouble to give these to little kids personalities compelling enough to get people to ask about them in the first part you instantly feel sick to your stomach when you first learn it (at least I hope you where) from brief moments where your brain clearly realizes and pictures what these poor sweet kids went through all because their parents had no sense of reality. I tip my hat to any author that can paint a story well enough to evoke such strong emotions and promote their works to all my friends.
It's baffling how some people think it's "too far" or that they didn't realise that Momonga/Suzuki isn't a "good" person. It's weird since from the very first actions it should be clear that he doesn't really care that much, and that's one of the best aspects of the series. It's not about your typical 1-dimensional fedora tipping white knight who has to be the "hero" because the author doesn't know how to create a proper character, it's about an actual story that uses as a protagonist an actual character that deviates from the norm. Granted, Momonga is certainly not the first, but it's still among the few compared to so many other works that just make their protagonist an idiotic caricature.
As a light novel reader, I can affirm that the books are much darker than the anime. Surprisingly, even Demiurge is much worse in books, and you all know what he is like in the show already.
When Demiurge said he made the magic scrolls out of the skin of sheep, the word "sheep" was actually metaphorical. That's just one of the many sickening things he do.
@@TheUjosh It's not just that. I suppose a better phrasing would be it goes more into detail about what he does rather than implication. Example: Book 8 we can tell the scroll maker aka the head librarian is using the skin of a ten year old child, obviously procured by Demiurge.
@@TheUjosh Also the Bone Throne during the lizardman fight is more human than you might think. We actually see Demiurge making it and some parts he needs specifically to finish it. Example (i think): a femur from a three foot tall man.
I agree this is messed up however overlord despite the fantasy setting is very realistic at times this being one of those times which a lot of other shows don't do and is one of the reasons i love it because stuff like that happened and it makes the that much more appealing since it pulls no punches anyone agree.......HAIL AINZ OOL GOWN
Total agree with you. Not every story can have happy endings. In the real world bad things can and do happen to good people. Like you said, the fact that Overlord shows this is why it is so appealing and a great story. It never holds back and never changes itself just to appease the masses because someone will get offended. That is life, and life can be dark and really messed up. No matter how much we wish it wasn't. GLORY TO THE OVERLORD!
Honestly, most fantasy stories are kindof like this and they just kindof push it under the rug. Alot of fantasy stories will have a slave trade for the purpose of the hero rescuing a future companion from it. They just don't really consider the implications that has on a world most of the time, or that a slave might have living family that betrayed them (typically captured from a conquered area)
Nah!After season 3 i cannot bear the for the Bone tyrant anymore!I hope the author pull a asspull or something to kill ainz or atleast put a stop to nazarick!
Ainz is the Overlord of Death. You don't rule over death and let invaders of your home go back to their families. This was the ONLY ending to this story that would keep the theme of the series consistent. Ainz isn't a good guy or a bad guy. He's an Undead King who we all rooted for in the beginning to conquer the world. What did we think was going to happen? Were no innocents going to get hurt in a journey of world domination? Were bodies not going to drop as Ainz's influence grew stronger and reached farther? Did we think all the humans would be evil that he would have to step on to rule? In reality, good people get hurt all the time. Sometimes, bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people. Such is the case with the twin little sisters. And unfair, unbalanced world will always lead to circumstances like that and it's so rare to see an author tap into that raw reality of things, especially in a fantasy show! which we usually use to escape the horrors of reality. And I think a lot of us (me included early on) thought Ainz might've been a good guy when he saved certain people. But watching (and reading) back, you see that they were only saved because they could prove useful to Nazarick and Ainz's goals in the future. He didn't do any good deeds. He has only done and will continue to do whatever is necessary to protect and/or expand the power of Nazarick in this world, regardless of the nature (innocent or guilty) of those who are not of Nazarick and happen to be participants (knowingly or unknowingly; willingly or unwillingly) in his plans. Behold The Supreme One, Lord Ainz Ooal Gown, Ruler of Death.
@@only1kingz Exactly. That would prevent wars, political racism, most of the crimes(because who would try to steal in a street where death knights are the guards) sooo yeah. Ainz for world president AND ALL HAIL OUR LORD AINZ OOAL GOWN
Nah!fuck the Bone tyrant!Shonem fans may not see it but machiavellian characters exist everywhere in anime(Like Tokiomi Tohsaka,Kyubeii and Light Yagami) and to be clear Ainz is just demiurgus puppet...
What I find interesting is the way it was toying with the viewers. Most people were excited to see foresight get slaughtered and wanted it to happen so badly. Then those same people afterwards feel like shit if they cared about the little sisters because they feel themselves like they wanted this to happen.
As many comments have pointed out, the author wants to put a lot of emphasis out there about the cruelty of the world. Such as in season 2 with the eight fingers, that is basically what's been going in the Re-Estize Kingdom before Nazarick took over. Surely Ainz has done a lot of fk'ed up things throughout the story, things of which he's aware of as well as things that are going behind his back. ...yet all and all these things that are happening often are for the greater good. In the particular scene where Momon and Nabe were walking in Baharuth Empire, Ainz did mention of how the Bloody Emperor Jircniv stripped the power of useless nobles and instead prefer the talented. Because of that Baharuth Empire was pretty technological advanced in comparison to other nations. But because of that, Arche's parents (who used to be nobles) got into their stupid situation and therefore cursed the emperor in that one scene. Not to dive too much into spoiler territory: Being at the position that Ainz is in, he often doesn't have much of a choice but to make sacrifices in favor of his guild, it's a pecking order if you will. That said though, he does care a lot about the people that are under his protection, for instance Tuare in season 2. Ainz's eventually creates his own kingdom with the ambition to make it a utopia in which all races can co-exist with each other in peace. However he does state that he cares not about the people that are not part of his kingdom, whereas he'll display absolutely no emotion towards them, yet act for the greater good (light novel volume 13 is beautiful). As for the workers: He did give them many chances to back out, for instance that chest full of gold indeed. As for Arche, he would likely have given her another way out had he known her back story a little better. On the brighter side: Those three slave elves from Erya (that douche that got the easiest salvation out of all workers from Hamsuke) were spared, since they did not enter the tomb out of their free will. Those three became underlings of Aura and Mara and likely lived a better life than to be enslaved by Erya.
You think that eruya stayed dead? No, every worker was revived and tortured. The proof(in anime) of this lies in the conversation of Ainz with entoma. He only asks about Arche's corpse because everyone is well alive and suffering cause there's no way you will enter the tomb with ill intent and die peacefully.
i don't remember them reviving the dead in the LN though,didn't they just use the corpses of those that already died and healed those who didn't?since they can't possibly revive them continuosly since they'll really just die off when it drains too many levels
@@xignum yes they wouldn't revive them if they were to die because they would loose levels and turn to ashes but that only applies to normal 'level 0' humans. But workers are different. They have more levels than normal human and can just loose those and become weaker, at most again reach level 0. The reason it's highly likely is because of negative karma of NPCs of nazarick. Demiurge is skinning alive the 'innocent' humans, chopping of their body parts and feeding them, roasting their children and feeding it to each other, breeding experiments between different races and so on. All these done to the 'innocent'. Remember Ainz and other guardians were watching the whole workers and the workers were laughing at the master of the tomb saying he's an idiot. Well, there's no way in hell are they not going to suffer for eternity. The reason it isn't explicitly stated in the light novel is because it's maruyama's way of hiding details and making us figure out. Same happened with princesses renner and Demiurge when they met. It wasn't explicitly stated but implied .
Ainz is in a pretty dark world, were the nobles cares more about social status and money than lives (hmmmm, what a coincidence) Also, Murayama is very rude author. In the way that he doesn't go for the "everyone win" way of writting. Even Ainz said it "The strong eats the weak. Even I would be a prey in the hands of someone stronger". That's why Ainz is testing this world. He doesn't want to be the prey, he just wants to live in peace with his friends and the NPCs.
Its the same thing when Sebas saved tsure she is Ninya's older sister a similar story was told between season 1 and 2 theres a reason Ainz allowed Sebas to keep her
@@dylanmorris7946 i know and the whole sex slavery thing already happend in season 1 and 2 with Tsure what im saying is the sex slavery thing is so far an explored topic if Sebas had not saved Tsure she would have had the exact same grim fate as the foresight teams caster's sisters
+Christopher Combs I am actually hesitant on the sex slave theory being the end result of the twins like it was with Tsuare. All the author really told us was that the twins were sold into slavery and that they died a few months later from "exhaustion." Nothing from that leads to the idea of them being sex slaves and the key word "exhaustion" more implies that they died doing some form of manual labor or from lack of basic necessities (food, shelter, sleep, etc.) Neither of those fit the most common form of death, physical abuse, that someone in a sex slave position would die from. Of course the author does like to keep things vague so people can use their own imagination, so anything goes I guess.
@@dylanmorris7946 the only things little girls could do while in slavery was houshold chores like cleaning clothes or sex they are not capable of hardlabor its not realistic
+Christopher Combs Not necessarily. Child labor was very common in pre-industrial societies and many of the jobs that slave children had to preform could be quite deadly. Be that working in mines, household manufacturing, agriculture, and (much later) in factories. Hell, any job can cause life threatening levels of "exhaustion" if the working conditions are poor enough, such as incredibly long hours, poor nutrition, and (especially with slaves) poor treatment from their employers. Take washing clothes for instance. If the twins had to simply wash clothes for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, with little food, no breaks, and possible contact with "not so healthy" cleaning supplies, they can easily die in a few months. If they are doing agriculture work, then that is even worse. Mines are even worse than that. Etc.
To be honest, I don't really feel much about Arche and her little sisters, even in the LN. Slavery has already been mentioned in Tuare's arc, so I don't think the fate of these little girls is too shocking, while they have a whole family reason for them to the slave. On the other hand, Tuare was just being a poor peasant that enslave and sold by the landlord, which are much crueler and darker. I can see why people feel upset about Arche and her sisters, for me that's what Maruyama planned for in this arc. As Maruyama said in a interview before, the whole idea through the story of Overlord is "The law of the jungle" , which is repeatedly mentioned in the LN, especially in Vol. 12-13. This theme goes through every arcs, lizardmans ruled by Ainz, poors become slave, all of these are the same, the weak got dominated by the stronger one. which IMO, makes the story of Overlord realistic and reasonable, and stand out from the other isekai LNs.
@@luk1917 Why do you choose to not see the truth. He likes to spare people maybe he makes it seem like it's part of the plan but he's still human from how he sounds like in his monologue. But whatever.. can't get a blind man to see what you mean.
well watever dude i dont want to explain you gotta see it for yourself anyway because this would be pointless explaing as people will always hold on to there point of view
Here's the thing, Ainz may be ruthless sometimes and has lost most of his humanity but it is shown in small bursts that he isn't completely heartless and cold. He holds his comrades and underlings in high regards, he showed mercy to Tsuare, he protects Carne village, etc. The thing that is swaying most viewers is if Ainz was replaced by a human and the humans were replaced by aliens or monsters then we would be totally on track with what he is doing, it is simply because the protagonist is not human and the people he is killing are human that we feel this sick feeling in our stomachs. Never once has Ainz actually been completely ruthless or tyrannical or unfair to people who didn't deserve it in some way. The first example was the guy from the sunlight scripture, the second was Clementine, and along those same lines he deemed the workers to not be worthy of letting go once they decided to trespass on his home. I mean, think of this, if they had been let go then more and more people would come to Nazarick to attack and defeat the guardians and Ainz himself. Plus, Ainz actually gave them a chance to not invade by putting all those gold coins and jewels in the outer crypts that the workers came across when first going there. If they had just taken the money and left then this wouldn't have happened to them. Lastly, this show definitely doesn't shy away from the fact that the humans in this world cause most of the suffering other humans go through. Monsters are a problem, yes, but the biggest threat to human lives has and always will be other humans. If you look at it this way, a country ruled by Ainz would actually be preferable to one ruled by the current kingdoms as he can provide actual protection and guarantee prosperity unlike nobles and kings who only use their power to keep themselves in power.
Personally I dont't think the twins became sex slaves, I wouldn't write it off. I think they died from overwork-labor Jircniv and Renner are actually making efforts to wipe oit fetish-slave brothels. The one destroyed by Sebas was supposedly the last one. But perhaps that's just wishful thinking...
It was over exhaustion from work. You are correct. The sisters died because whoever purchased them literally worked them to death. Renner on the other hand didn't attempt to abolish the slave trade because it's rght, she did things like that in order to make herself look like a proper princess who cares about the public for the sake of looking good for Climb.
@@SnowyWolborgAlso Maruyama actually changes Arche's fate from the webnovels(Shalltears' sex slave while living with her sisters in Nazarick) to the one in the light novels based on a fan poll that had fans saying they rather her just die. TO MY KNOWLEDGE Maruyama didn't mention what would happen to the twins in the poll and just killed Arche he said he would while killing off her sisters because...why? I'm not sure if Maruyama is being a troll or if he's trying to make a point but that is rather fucked up.
@@kingofjokers1 its the opposite... the fans wanted her to live when writing WN that decided to make her a sex slave but while adapting into LN that should be a better and refined version he decided to kill her off
People need to remember that Overlord is not taking place in an idealistic setting. This is a medieval themed, dark fantasy world where rights violations are going on all over the place. For Arche's situation, blame her dumbass father. His stupid ass kept taking loans so he could have flex money to show off and pretend like he's still rich. All that debt he racked up was his own fault and his family suffered for it. Also in the Re-Estize Kingdom in S2, we saw how a criminal organization with slave trade and drug trafficking branches were operating literally in the capital city. Not to mention how it's *very* unsafe to travel outside large cities if you can't defend yourself. And that's not even counting the historical events that took place from the arrival of other Players in the past. The New World is a scary place if you're not strong enough to survive.
this is not the first time we see something like this....... the same fate as Tuareninya and would've died if sebas never met her and the fate of her little sister and her Guild members "The swords of Darkness"
"A lot of this stuff could still be happening" Yeah it does still happen unfortunately. For the love of Zeus don't google the subject unless you want to be depressed. It happens a lot more than you can believe is even possible and there are so many groups out there trying to combat it but yet it just keeps happening. I personally like the fact that the author has gone to this dark place, as dark as Lord Ainz might be the people in this new world are almost always shown to be even darker and in doing so he is giving us a reason to continue to support Ainz even when he himself gets evil.
As an anime only, i'm more in love with this show ALOT more after this episode (even that i know the details from comments of LN readers) This is what the market lack of today A plot you can dive into Its great Its messup Its rollercoaster of emotions When you can make like 5 videos out of 1 episode, you know its lore/aftertaste VERY VERY GOOD. GOD I NEED MORE OF THIS MASTERPIECE
just want to say, things like this has been there from the starting of Overlord... Overlord is lot more messed up than people think and give it credit for, most of the fucked up scenes are outright skipped.. like, for example, if you ask an anime only about who is the most fucked up person in Nazarick? most would be confused to select one... but the LN readers would immediately say *Demiurge* cause each and every messed up shit he has done was outright skipped from the anime... the scene about Arche in this episode , anime was way too mild.. many people dropped the Overlord LN after volume 7 cause they couldn't handle all the messed up shit in Overlord.. and there are people who suffered far worse death than Arche or even her sisters.. like Arche's sisters died as sex slaves right? there were some humans upon whom Demiurge conducted breeding experiments with Demihumans... like having a human woman bear an ogre's child (hasn't been successful but many women had forced through the intercourse)
@@shahmeerzaid287 yea i got it since early anime, as in it hinted alot like demi is conducting experiments, but it just become apparent by now in anime
Shahmeer Zaid I think the closest they came prior to these past 2 episodes to showing what was in the Light Novels was in season 2 when Sebas found Tuareninya Veyron and talked about her condition as well as the lowkey abortion solution did. Another HIGHLY fucked up think that Demiurge has done that was cut was the conversation with albedo about how he starved his captives then forced them to vote on the sacrifice who would be skinned (alive of course), chopped up (in front of them no less), ground up then served to them only to heal them (you seriously thought they would be nice enough to let them die and be free of this torment for even a few minutes? HA your funny) them and start the process all over again. As Ainz himself said in this most recent episode death is mercy in Nazarick.
After watching this episode, I have began to think who actually Overlord is?? Is he a good and righteous man as we have seen him helping people and even reviving those who he seem fit and even thinking some steps ahead..I understand that he wants his name to be known all over the world as he believes that there may be other players out there...but how can I describe him after this episode? Is he playing the survival of fittest, or excess greed kills? Or is the original person (MC) turing to real evil Overlord as the time passes....
his style is really close to social Darwinism. the strong survive because they have power to back up their talk, those who are weak should get stronger or submit. before hekkeran boldly lie to his face, Ainz was going to give them all a warrior's death, no experiment no people turning into hive. he does understand respect and give respect to those he think deserve it. but the weak, not physically weak, the morally weak are not worthy of his respect, those are the one who get turn into cockroach chow. before you pass judgement on Ainz right now, it's worth noting that the last arc was supposed to show you the effect of Ainz's subjugation of the lizardman. despite wanting to exterminating the lot of them back in season 2, it is shown that his action has united the once divided tribes into one big tribe. the food shortage problem that caused the tribe to feud against each other are solved because Ainz grant them food from nazarick while they set up fish farm. lizardman are even permitted to train within nazarick to get stronger. this is why we see them training hamsuke. although his action look bad in the short run, it is very beneficial to the world in the long run
I think it was a interesting thing to make the story have that even not in the novel, but I also think that it is very dark and it kind of makes me upset. I think this is also like our own society where the strong beats the weak and that it is not a friendly place. Overlord just takes it to a whole new level. I just want to cry for the siblings so much but after watching clannad and other sad anime i just built a sadness tolerance. I just wish that none of the npcs would be controlled again because that would just break Ains because they are all that he have left of his friends and they are all that he can trust.
Y'know, this is really really terrible. I agree, what happened to those little girls is just awful. From a writing point of view, it's a masterpiece. From a psychological sense, this author is messed up.
The only way we as a race can see the best versions of ourselves is too delve into the deepest depths of what evil we are capable of. People are afraid of facing this side of humanity, but the little girls’ situation still happens to this day, on a large scale. Maruyama isn’t messed up; in fact, I’d argue that by making readers face such a disgusting situation he forces us to inspect the world we live in and see it a little more clearly.
Komoto_Kane not being a jerk *realize and i dont personally think hes evil its that Demiurge’s perspective that he is the most clever and smartest person in the world so Demiurge tries to surpass that by so called “help Ains take over the world”
yeah same but ainz giving them a chance to live 1. Asking ( Momon ask them ) 2. Giving free gold to back away ( They where giving free gold and weapons outside ) 3. and NEVER LIE TO AINZ.. ( if the dude just fucking tell the truth they would have a chance to live probably )
The light Novel, is Sinister on the Experiments , like the Captured Black S. , were put together without food, and given group choice which one to eat everyday. Demiurge to Feed the Human Slaves, have them exchange children of families to Roast, giving parents at Dinner table to say Goodbye and forced to finish it All. The Skin of all slain , and Holy Kingdom Captives made to make "Parchment," to make Scrolls. Dragon skin being best for 8- 10 Tier Spells.
No, personally I say Maruyama didn't go too far. Yes it is really messed up and morally questionable but I think he just want to open up our eyes on how terrible the world could be. I've read the LN and Maruyama is not holding the punches back, he sure put lots of details to his work. When someone told me that Arche's sisters were sold to slavery, I didn't believe them at first because as far as I remember, I don't see it in the LN. "I might have missed it" that was my first thoughts until lots of people say it came from interview and it's canon. I might have to re-read the entire volume again just to be sure. Yeah sure, Ainz have done terrible deeds but if you ask me to compare him to people like the Arche's parents, he is more human than those degenerate pair of brainless garbage. Selling off your family members? That is just plain disgusting... and to be honest, I've seen it happening although I don't mean like literally selling off your fam member to slavery. Yes, those kinds of people exist irl. Man... the author is brilliant as a writer. I love the series.
I am not excusing the parents, they were worthless in my eyes, but that doesn't excuse Ainz. A guy capable of ending slavery and chooses not to is just as bad as the parents who sold those girls into slavery and arguably even worse than the parents because of his sheer ignorance.
The only reason I didn’t feel bad for them is because they decided to lie to ainz. I almost guarantee ainz would’ve spared them had she spoke up and told the truth. Dude would’ve probably even helped her situation
In the Web Novel, she became Shalltear's s*x toy and she also teaches Ainz how to dance. She also given the privilege to later live as a civilian in a log cabin on the 6th Floor with her sisters.
It is evident when reading the Light Novel of Overlord that it is in fact quite dark. Similar to how dark Berserk is. I don't necessarily think Overlord being dark is bad at all, it is just probably just not exactly what anime only's were expecting when they watched season 1. Similar to how some parts of Attack on Titan are becoming darker and the eclipse in Berserk is mind-blowingly grotesque and dark for a 1997 anime only.
Also, I know at this point in the Anime the Anime only's are finally realizing if they haven't already that Ainz Ooal Gown is most definitely not the good guy in the story, but quite the opposite. In truth he only cares for the NPC's of Nazarick, his old comrades from his guild, and people who respect Nazarick.
You know, I read the 7th novel at least 3 times, I knew exactly what was coming, I thought I was ready for it going into this episode, but the tears still came when I saw Arche's little sisters. Madhouse did one hell of a job with the way in which they convayed the tragedy of this episode and their choice of background music. Every reaction video of this episode I watch I'm basically going "BRING ON THE PAIN!" as this scene gets me right in the kokoro every single goddamn time... >_< SHUDDUP! I'M NOT CRYING! YOU'RE CRYING! **sniff**
I think what the author trying to show to the readers is the origin of villains. How an entity branded as evil and villain by others is actually had his own story and reasons for his doing. How his victims accused him for villainy for their own wrongdoing. How a clashed culture and idea becoming a war between heroes against villains. And how relatable all of it to our own history as human society.
Archie's death was sad enough with the twins waiting to see her , i just now noticed that there are two sets of blonde twins in this show, wait scratch that there are alot of blonde people in this show like almost 20.
it was said in the LN that blonde is the normal colour of the new world... No one in the NW has black colour except the people that live in far south ( country of the 8 Greed Kings, another set of players that came to this 500 years prior to Ainz and are now dead)
This is still nothing. Web novel is much much darker...but at least it have happy ending. Simplified a lot: Arche live got spared, but became Shalltears pet. She got physicly and mentaly broken to the point she was litteraly acting like well trained dog...she even got a tail. Happy ending in all of this is after some time (around a year) Ainz needed inside info on Empire, and got it from Arche. Some time later he bought/rescued her little sisters. As a reward for helping with Empire he granted all 3 of them freedom. Kinda, cuz they couldn't leave 6th floor of Nazarick, but were treated good from that point onward.
Indeed. They could have just taken the gold they found at the beginning, but nooo...they had go deeper thinking if we found this at the entrance, just imagine what we can find further in.
Actually the author just said they're probably gonna be dead in a few monthes. He didn't say what happened. But in the WN they were sold to people who's using them for human sacrifice. The same thing might have happened here.
I think this Anime/Novel is so succesful because of the darkness in this Fantasy World and the Protagonist. If you think about it, its one of the rare Shows where the Main Character is OP and actually is aware of his Powers and uses it efficiently..... i mean how many Shows are there where the Main Char is OP but isn´t using his Powers in the way a normal Person in his situation would?!^^ I dare to believe a lot of us would act the same way with such great power and given the fact that he also changed mentally after getting the body of an undead/lich. Regarding the dark topics in the Overlord World and as i´m also a Anime only watcher, i think its rather plausible to include this dark topics, as stated from Ainz in the first season, this world is on the civilization level of the middle ages. A time period where slavery and terrible things like mentioned in this video were "normal". In my opinion its just more realistic to include this dark topics, like for example Game of Thrones did when they include slavery, rape and so on. Its terrible of course, but thats how it was in this times and as terrible as it is, it also happens today and not only in "lesser" developed countries. Another fact why the Autor includes this dark topics is (in my opinion) the fact that he draws a lot of inspiration from the D&D Lore, because he is a big D&D fan and as a D&D Fan myself, i can say that the majority of the D&D Storys are quite f***** up if you think about the stuff that happens in it.^^ Conclusion: It´s a realistic, dark and f*** up world in which the Overlord Story takes place, and it was this way long before Ains arrived there, so they deserve to either be wiped out or be conquered by Ainz Ooal Gown!!!
You still don't get it wake up and smell the coffee!!these things happen right now in real world 2018 and do happen in 3rd and 1st world countries some more some less ,but the LN and the Anime is just showing our world in a nut box.
I'm turning cold because I am slowly feeling less and less. Even when I saw this scene I did not even fells sad. I feel almost like I might be coming like the monsters in this show.
When you "make" a world for a story and keep adding details into it, then at a certain point you will see certain aspects that was not in your initial plans before. (If you are insightful enough to see it, that is.) And whether these aspects are amazingly great or horribly awful, it's all up to you to put it in your story or not. Sometimes you think that aspect is too much to handle and left it out from your story, but it doesn't change the fact that "that something" has happened in your world.
In the Webnovel Arche is alive and is reunited with her sisters. They live on the 6th floor of Nazarick in a cabin. The author changed the ending due to a fan poll. I like to believe that ending more than this.
Man I didn't even realize this when I watched the episode. Is Ains really going to just become more evil and lose the humanity he had in the beginning of the show or will he realize his mistakes one day. ( I feel that he will become more evil and one day when he meets one of his friends again and achieves his goal they will see him as a monster after all he has done to get there.)
monksters1 well even he has a good plan for the future he has stain himself with the blood of innocent people. I understand it can't be helped but still....
Ainz has always been like this even from the beginning. I will not spoil anything but Ainz wasn't that good of a guy IRL either, the world he lived in was much crueler than the one he is in now. The reason you see him as someone who is gradually becoming evil is just instilled in your view that protagonists must be good. Also the only person in his guild I believe who would be COMPLETELY opposed to what Ainz is doing is Touch Me. Most of the Ainz Ooal Goal players were either negatively aligned or neutral aligned so they would probably do the same in Ainz's position. If Ainz were truly evil he would simply label himself as a god in this new world and take it over with one command, we already know he has the power to at least try.
I was heart broken for a whole day by the two sisters' fate mainly because their struggle of personal freedom from their abusive and self-serving family is something I'm going through my life right now too. I really connected with Arche's story and dream to live independently with her sisters and was totally rooting for that to happen. This was one of the most grim anime episodes I have every watched.
Feels bad for the gurls, but it's not Ainz's fault, it's their parents fault. If they were smarter, more loving, more caring, their daughters won't die, and Arché wouldn't have needed to go adventuring. The whole reason she is a worker is because her parents are shit heads. So dude, don't blame Ainz, blame their parents. And yes, the author mapped the world out really well, it is probably the only way this arc would've ended. As I read some comments below, this anime showed how some humans were more monstrous then a big skeleton bad ass. Ainz is not a knight of justice, as in he would not go punish Arché's parents and free the Arché siblings, he is just a neutral guy. You come in my house, I kill you, ez as that. For good people, we would blame Ainz. For smart people, we would blame Arché's parents. Yes, greed was the root of evil in this episode. But it was the greed of Arché's parents that pushed their daughters to death. What is right and wrong? Is it subjective? To Ainz, you break in to my house, you're wrong. For Arché, you killed my friends and left my sisters alone is wrong. To me, it's Arché's parents who were the most wrong, the ones that most deserved to die, the ones who were the most evil.
If I remember correctly, Arche's fate was decided by a reader poll, and that the fate of Arche's sisters was his way of showing his readers that this was the consequences of them deciding to kill Arche.
I guess we watched different season 1 because I always knew ainz is closer to the dark side than good. The only thing is he shows more evil when it involves his home that he and his friends made. I also figured he Hadn’t being more ruthless is because he was still figuring out how strong the people of this world was. I look forward to overlord darkness and I highly doubt he could do something I disapprove of.
I would say ains if influenced by the great tomb into an evil overlord , if he wars teleported all by himself then he would have made evil eye a good and sweet friendship honestly I like the side story more because how sweet and kind the relationship was with ains and evil eye
😢😢😢😢😢 Archie's parents are so messed up... Also what you said about this could be happening in 3rd world countries...... Its really something you have to think about. when it comes down to it, that probably is happening in real time... And when you think about how many families could have done what Archie's did, and then how people, not just children, could be going through what those 2 little girls are going through..😖😖😖😖😖 It all sickens me to think about. Honestly gives me chills..... For everyone reading this. Don't stand by doing nothing, and let somthing/some REALLY BAD things or just wrong things in general happen. Speak up, help others, and... "Let not 1 man, for he shall be punished, let God's kindness have been vane. Nor let the Lord look at thee's soul, only to find the selfishness (Sell-Fish-Ness), the Barbarism, and the workings of demons themselves. Not Demons of hell, but of Demons born from mankind's actions full of shamfulness and greed" I think that verse sums up what you wanted to say pretty well. I hope your video, opinion, and your feelings as a idivisual inspires people to do just what you have done... Spreading the word that they, as their own person, care about what happens to others, in public, without fearing others opinions and being comfortable knowing some people will like, dislike, agree, and/or disagree about what you, as a human have to say. (P.S sorry for rambling with the voice to text function.)
In the 2017 interview Muruyama stated that in Overlord it’s the law of the jungle where the strong survive and the weak perish you need to have that mindset so you can justify what Ainz action was. In the web novel Arche becomes Shalltear’s sex slave vampire while the twins were still sold off, thanks to Ainz they were rescued and reunited with their sister. Fans were shock when they saw the light novel with a different ending for Arche, but hey what’s more important? Nazarick getting more powerful and reviving Entoma’s voice or just a few measly humans? Remember law of the jungle.
+Dee Bee Geek 9:20 is it that dark or messed up thing though? Wasnt it a common thing back in the past to pay one's debts with your own blood or family?
I wouldn't say more messed up but the stuff that happened was on a completely different and larger scale... most messed up arc was the Holy Kingdom arc
I don't agree with you, why is more messed up? Ainz just kill soldier in a war, that is what is suposed to do in a war, right? Kill soldier. They didn't surrender, so they were killed.
A friend and I got into an argument over whose fault it was for the fate of the younger sisters. He argues that it's Ainz's fault because he ordered the death of the girl, but I argue that if anyone is to blame for what happened, it would be the father's fault. From that one scene where the girl argued with her dad for purchasing something expensive while their financial situation was the complete opposite of what he was trying to "show", you could glean that the father is likely to have made a lot of other unnecessary decisions which probably dug the hole deeper around their family. Any thoughts would be nice on this.
I see overlord as not the story of Ainz or the story of Nazarick, but the story of the new world with Nazarick's presence. From a narrative standpoint, things like what happened in this eigth episode not only further the plot, they also demonstrate something important- Ainz isn't acting for the good of the world, he is acting out of self-interest, he is the overlord not the savior. Ainz's actions will sometimes protect the people, and other time they will have horrible consequences. It gives nuance to what he is doing, as his actions may be questionable, and it also delivers on the promises made from the very beggining of essentially having a bad guy protagonist. I think the author has a great handle on the way the world they created operates: It would have been easy for them to make up some good ending for the sisters if their fate wasn't even in the novels. However, what he said, disturbing as it may be, is the logical conclusion to that narrative. The author continually demonstrates how everything is connected and has real conquences in the world, plus as shown with the Lizardmen arc, it shows there are real people to care about in the world. It's a can of worms too deep to really unpack in a youtube comment, but in my opinion, while things may be disturbing at times, it progresses character, narrative, worldbuilding and themes: And that is absolutely brilliant writing.
Absolutely! Overlord truly shows us the world in a neutral perspective. No good guys. No bad guys. Only true realsists. Good or bad is only relative. Easily one of the gratest novels ever written in modern times.
did no one played an MMO for 6+ years and build up something with FRIENDS that took YEARS?! Its the Law of Jungle baby Strong one lives Weak one Dies. HAIL AINZ OOAL GOWN
i can't forget the volume 9 where author literally devoted an entire page to "Splat" , just to give an image of how brutally soldier's were been killed.
loved your review mate . i think the same you are me lol i thought it was me who was speaking when you spoke. in my opinion he went overboard and the fate of the couple was also very gruesome
I am still baffled at people complaining that Arche's body was "desecrated". We humans do the same thing to animals and consider it moral to use all of the animal, wasting a kill is viewed as a sign of disrespect. And we are much closer to a the animals we kill than Ainz is to humans, power wise. People need to learn perspective.
This episode gave me purse... then I found out what happened to the twins... yeah, it's so dark... I can't even process the sadness and anger and it doesn't really make sense to me... I know its fiction but I can't seem to help myself feel this way. I love Overlord and as a anime only I've enjoyed the story so far but this episode has shown why Ains is the bad guy to me. The twisted and cold reality of the world isn't getting any better with Ains there making things worse. He's just as selfish and greedy as the workers, maybe even more so... I hate to admit it but I hope that one day, when the story comes to its inevitable conclusion, Lord Ains will finally see what he has done to so many and realises he has become a monster beyond all monsters as everything crumbles around him... (What can I say, I like stories where the hero wins in the end. Lord Ains is no hero but the villein that must be stopped. I just wonder who will be able to do it. A Dragon Lord maybe?)
Schinak, I never said I think that would happen... just after last episode, I wonder if it will happen and if so, how. It'll have to be a super satisfying and epic death because nothing else will do for such a great character and story!
+IGL Xenix He has far too many cards to play to ever die. Anything other than Ainz winning it all and being the unexpected unifier and savior even with his dark methods, would be a shitty ending.
Schinak I missed spoke my last comment... I meant to say it makes me want to see him fail not that he will. After all Ainz Ooal Gown dose not know defeat! It'll be a pretty shitty ending if he just die due to some BS so it'll have to be something he dose that dose it for me, even then, you may be right. He may still be the lesser of two or three evils in the world he finds himself in. We'll just have to wait and find out how things go. I'm Anime only so everything I know is specific to what is there. (Hell, overlord is one of the few Animes I actually like to watch in Japanese, formally being a dub only anime fan.) I haven't read the light novel and I know there's a lot about to go down. Like I said in my original comment, I'm a fan of the old cliche of good triumphs over evil and I now see Lord Ainz as evil and not chaotic neutral. It's not gonna stop me from speculating on how he will fail even if I am still rooting for Nazarick! (Okay, now I'm contradicting myself to I'm gonna stop here!)
@@cyberwolfy37 lol no just no consider briefly that the very first volume of the manga has open sex, child cannibalism, and some of the most brutal murders (head stapled to a post with a crossbow) in manga and given the history of guts, Griffith, casca, and the band of the hawk im up to volume 13 in overlord and at no point is it anywhere near the brutality of berserk
Christopher Combs No you have no idea, read volume 12 and 13 then come back. Child murder, implied monster rape, children and old people being eaten alive, infants being used as humans shields by beastmen, Endless horrible unending suffering, genocides of entire groups of people and beast races.That's what happens in volumes 12-13...You have no damn idea...none at all....
Xavier thats just a random Tuesday in Berserk im on volume 13 and so far there has been a distinct lack of demon rape and sacrifices to the god hand in overlord it really isnt anywhere close to the brutality of Berserk go read Berserk really its a really good manga but its super dark and brutal and in Berserk there is no OP savior figure like ainz save for guts who is already a sacrifice and his soul belongs to the god hand
Christopher Combs No there isn't what the fuck? Demiurge and his servant literally says even in the anime that hes trying to breed humans with monsters. You think that involves said humans falling in love with said monster, getting happily married, and having kids? You are being ridiculous. You haven't read the novels man. Otherwise you'd know. I've read both Berserk and Overlord. Overlord is very close to berserk now in terms of dark themes. Not to mention Ainz himself, our MC, is the one allowing these things to happen.
FYI, her being killed was Ainz showing mercy, what happen to the others was far far far worse...... though the fact Archie wasn't some greedy worker there to steal from Ainz, the fact she was only doing it to save her sisters.... it does make you feel anger towards Ainz, in fact many of the fans of the web novel (where she didn't die) were pretty pissed off at the author for changing that.
I can tell you, its horrible to see this in the real world. I am a psychologist in México (thats why i have bad english hehe) and years ago i worked with child survivors from abuse, all kind of abuse; to hear the narration of a sexual abuse from the victim itself, to see a kid hospitalized with hes skull cracked and a bag attached to his intestines, those were very difficult times, thanks for your videos and content bro, its a lot of help to find some rest to have a good time
I for one am glad this is the road The Anime chose to adapt. It's consistent with Overlord's world theme of "The Strong Being On Top", and I heard there's also one thing we got to avoid : The Supposed Ulikeable and Worst Character in All of Overlord : *_JET_*
Oh no! Not Jetto-sama! Oh god no! The strongest being in Overlord! Stronger than Retardios and Phillip!!!The strongest of them all! He single-handedly brought an end to everything!
The webnovel in where the author made a poll if arche survives or not the fans actually voted for her to survive but the author didnt want that so instead made a draft almost a what if, in that arche was turned into shalltears toy/pet and her sisters was caught by ains and they were actually given a good ending in nazarik, in that ains found value in arche since shes a noble and ains wanted knowledge and granted her happiness in nazarik as a reward on a cabin on mares and auras floor Ofc this never made into cut since the author doesn't want to give cute girls plot armor and thats why i love anime like overlord
Most people forget that Ains is for all intents and purposes EVIL. He's an Overlord. The literal personification of death. He can't save everyone and he already saved Tsuare because of Ninya and her diary but that's about as far as he's willing to go for a human. Arche got the short end of the stick but that's the world they live in. Tsuare went being a sex slave and abused for a lot longer than the twins. I think that its bad that they were sold off and their parents are dicks but I also think they kinda got off easy considering the time they live in and the people that reside there to just die from exhaustion....just my insignificant opinion
It should be obvious that something like that happened after what we saw in season 2 with Tsuare and the eight fingers as a whole and the personalities of those ex-nobles we saw two episodes ago. The author made no secret of the fact that this franchise is Dark Fantasy and things like this just happen in stories like that. Still made me cry.
About the part with her "parts". At least she dies without pain THEN they split her corpse for research (or something like that). The only sad part i felt was because of the small sisters and their fate. I kinda hoped that Ainz/Momon would somehow assure them a kinda bright future. But hey, life sadly aint unicorn and rainbows.
When you were talking about the author you wrote "Kugane Maruyama", but actually showed the anime director's picture. Kugane Maruyama - the author - is anynymous and was only seen once during all those years and it's on anime expo this year in Overlord panel, but even then he wore all black and a skeleton's mask and all the people that took pictures of him were prohibited from uploading them, so to this day only a hand full of people saw his face and not a lot more saw "him". (Some pictures were uploaded on Overlord groups and forums, but I think they were already deleted.
It's good to know you're willing to delve deep into the lore to get the details. We appreciate your efforts PS: I personally think it's not too dark for Ainz to do that, and I think it justifies why that world needs an Overlord because of the things people do. Somebody needs to keep them in check. Whether Ainz WOULD keep them in check however, is a different matter.
I looked the episode, read the infos again.... and omg i was sitting here the complet evening, hold down my tears etc about what happend... to think about this shows how this has paralels in our world.... Im so depressed now :(
I think the author is super talented even with the dark topics, especially with the dark topics because it gives weight to the story, every action has a reaction. The best stories have the best world building. The dark contents of this world are what make overlord great
Nobody realised it but at the end part Jircniv the prince was planning on blaming one of the nobles. And it'a very likely that it will be Arche's parents.
I did not know what dark fantasy meant before reading Overlord You guys remember that priest Robberdyck or something like that in the web novel his fate was rather cruel they cut off every limb from his body and then one of the maids was standing above him applying healing magic and other one was crouched on him eating him alive Arche got to see it while walking past him when he went to meet with Ainz the one casting healing magic on him was most likely Lupus Regina and the one feeding from him most likely Entoma as Arche's inner monologue described her a monster wearing maids clothing which sounds a lot like her.
In the WN, Arche lives as a sex slave of Shalltear, and since she teach Ainz how to dance, Ainz buys her sisters when he sees them in slavery and gives the three of them a house inside of Nazarick where they live peacefully. Her fate was left to choose by a poll made by the author during his WN days and people choose her to live, since he already made her live in WN, in LN, he made it dark, in contrast to his original writting.
I was really hoping they'd have gone with the alternate version from I believe the web novel where Shaltear simply turns her into a vampire and eventually she reunites with her sisters in the Great Tomb
More than a villain, Ainz looks like a politician leader who cares only for his people. He has done tricks not only because one of his gardians have told him to do it but also because he realises that to get a country he have to size it by manipulation. Remember "the prince" by Machiavel
in the fact the the author wrote this in the fact that his friends couldn't play a table-top RPG i have played in games of D&D where we found out that the villain was actually the good guy and the guy who sent us out was the true villain, I've also played campaigns where we started off as the villain archetypes but ended up saving the world so it really tells a lot about the storytelling that can make you think who is really the good or bad guys
The one thing I don't get is why Ainz chose only Arche to suffer such a grotesque fate and not her entire team of Foresight it seemed a bit overkill to do that to the youngest member of their team.
I actually like how dark the world of Overlord can be at times. A lot of authors shy away from the not so pretty aspects of the world and I feel that more often than not people being afraid to share darker aspects of the worlds they’re writing can detract from it. It’s much more effective to display the consequences of certain events. Though while we may feel sympathy for Arche and her sisters I feel like this was made to make us wonder about how many other people are similarly affected by the actions of people in the world of Overlord. I don’t feel that Ainz himself is all that villainous since his motivations haven’t really changed since the beginning. While his actions are definitely gonna get more sinister (Vol 11-13) he’s still more or less just winging it.
I personally feel the author wants to show how evil this world is. Ainz does some messed up stuff from time to time and can easily be seen as the villain of the show. But when you get to see the horrible people of the new world and what they are capable of doing to each other then Ainz almost becomes their savior instead of a villain.
Humanity has almost died off *twice* within the last 600 years in this world. The New World has been a scary place since the start and to be honest, Nazarick isn't making it worse because there's been plenty more inhumane atrocities that have occured that they aren't even connected to.
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
That's a strong point you're stating here, if you only see some of Ainz cruel doings in the new world you'd think of him as the villain, but once you try to see the whole picture you'd see him as the savior, the different overlord have from other Animes is that he's not trying to save every single person he meet outside of Nazarick, because in reality he knows he can't which is true, Ainz plan for salvation is a straight one, stepping over both bad and good people alike in order to reach that goal, but that doesn't mean he actually won't care about saving good people when he see the opportunity to do so.
author said they are 100% not evil its the law of jungle the strong one lives and the weak one dies. They are in a new world not knowing whats out there
I completely agree with you.
I think the fact that the author has caused such strong emotions shows how good of a writer he is
TacocatBackwards that dose not mean it is a good thing
The author truly understands how to make a dark fantasy story, just like how Berserk is dark
More like he wants to attract people who like dark fantasies
Pavan Choudar Who the hell doesn’t enjoy a good dark Fantasy? Why do you think Berserk is regarded as the greatest manga of all time.
I think it is a good thing. Considering the fact that ainz is an anti-hero I think some dark aspects are warranted
I think he wanted to show How cold the world could be. Especially if you only ever think of what you want. And not think about others.
He actually does think about others...he just doesn't care unless he gets something out of it too.
I do however agree with your idea about what the author is trying to teach us.
I think the biggest point Maruyama wants to get is? Who hurts people the most? A bunch of heartless monsters or humans themselves? Sometimes Ainz is more human just remember the case of Tuare.
Sure in this season Ainz is getting even worse, but it's expected from an undead skeleton. I love Overlord and for sure I want to see he achieving his goals.
Even worse? I don't expect a skeleton is gonna be a good type mc lol.
I like this better than normal mc who kind of forcing the plot for winning or luck without in depth knowledge
I think one of the main theme of this show is reverence. Ainz in this world can be considered a god in the eyes of the people, and it shows that while such an entity can show great mercy, Ainz can also show great despair. It is a story telling how the world response to someone/something that is a threat to their very being, and so far i still find Ainz actions understandable, although most of the time morally unacceptable.
What i like even more is that his mere existence is enough to unite everyone out of fear/reverence. So while he is not the Mr. Nice Guy, i would say he is very smart in handling the survival of the Great Tomb of Nazarick in a foreign world. Heck, if you change him with typical protagonists, they are probably the type that will just straight up conquer the whole world and declare war on everyone without putting much thought.
Razeluxe 13 I like this too. My point is comparing with season one Ainz, he is more evil, that's all. He is an awesome character, with all his internal conflict and "plans".
Lizard man is actually worse than this tho. Ainz still does good stuff to good people in novel so it depends on situation
Matheus Avelar he’s not really more evil tho. He killed many in season 1
I personally don't think he went too far as a writer myself I admire how much detail went into his work and how he went somewhere where most are afraid to write about he may have not wrote it in the light novel but it's connon from that interview. Yes the topic is extremely disturbing and wrong but from an writer it's brilliant and gives you a reminder of how dark and disturbing this story is. It gives you a sense of reality that is not really found in most works often. He is an amazing author for not being afraid to say something that disturbing and wrong about a part of his work I admire that. So no, I do not think he went to far with that detail it just proves how much detail went into this glorious series
I agree 100%
Reality check at its finest
I would go one step further and say that this series is as popular as it is BECAUSE he puts this much detail into it. Yes lore like this is about as dark as you can get but it's not just thrown out there for shock value. The level of detail gives this world so much realism that when you hear the author say this replay the reason you recoil from it so hard is you almost are guaranteed to think of Tuareninya and her treatment as a slave and because he went through the trouble to give these to little kids personalities compelling enough to get people to ask about them in the first part you instantly feel sick to your stomach when you first learn it (at least I hope you where) from brief moments where your brain clearly realizes and pictures what these poor sweet kids went through all because their parents had no sense of reality.
I tip my hat to any author that can paint a story well enough to evoke such strong emotions and promote their works to all my friends.
It shows how evil humans are and how's there's consequences to some of the things Ainz does.
It's baffling how some people think it's "too far" or that they didn't realise that Momonga/Suzuki isn't a "good" person. It's weird since from the very first actions it should be clear that he doesn't really care that much, and that's one of the best aspects of the series.
It's not about your typical 1-dimensional fedora tipping white knight who has to be the "hero" because the author doesn't know how to create a proper character, it's about an actual story that uses as a protagonist an actual character that deviates from the norm. Granted, Momonga is certainly not the first, but it's still among the few compared to so many other works that just make their protagonist an idiotic caricature.
Do you think it's dark? Yes. Do you think it is the most possible realistic ending for them? Yes.
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@Jay facts don't care about your words
@Jay neither mine
Slavery is old as human history, the bible even provides reference on how slavery is conducted, thx b for your commitment
My whole body shivered when I saw the two little sisters happy waiting for Arche 😭 I almost cried
Same :(
Joe The Prox yeah I just couldn't watch them being happy as they wait for there sister that wasn't coming back
they don't even get to wait,right at that day their parents sold the moff into slavery and they'll soon die from that
I also heard that too. The sisters were sold off by their parents (I think)
Melbourne Meliodas yeah they were and that is just fine f**ked up, don't even mention how they died....God damnit i can't do this this isn't right
As a light novel reader, I can affirm that the books are much darker than the anime. Surprisingly, even Demiurge is much worse in books, and you all know what he is like in the show already.
John Wolfer in what thing he is worse. i don't mind spoilers
When Demiurge said he made the magic scrolls out of the skin of sheep, the word "sheep" was actually metaphorical. That's just one of the many sickening things he do.
@@TheUjosh It's not just that. I suppose a better phrasing would be it goes more into detail about what he does rather than implication. Example: Book 8 we can tell the scroll maker aka the head librarian is using the skin of a ten year old child, obviously procured by Demiurge.
@@TheUjosh Also the Bone Throne during the lizardman fight is more human than you might think. We actually see Demiurge making it and some parts he needs specifically to finish it. Example (i think): a femur from a three foot tall man.
John Wolfer that would be the vomiting girl?
When i saw Arches sisters waiting for her i honestly almost cried
Shock Blaster maybe not cried, but I deeply saddened...
Shock Blaster i laughed silently
did you buy a lamp by the way ?
If you cried, the show and the author did a good job then.
If you didn’t cry, then you must be an undead!
Believe a show is wonderful when it makes you think, feel and act. Thank you for making a extra reaction. :heart:
I agree this is messed up however overlord despite the fantasy setting is very realistic at times this being one of those times which a lot of other shows don't do and is one of the reasons i love it because stuff like that happened and it makes the that much more appealing since it pulls no punches anyone agree.......HAIL AINZ OOL GOWN
Total agree with you. Not every story can have happy endings. In the real world bad things can and do happen to good people. Like you said, the fact that Overlord shows this is why it is so appealing and a great story. It never holds back and never changes itself just to appease the masses because someone will get offended. That is life, and life can be dark and really messed up. No matter how much we wish it wasn't.
GLORY TO THE OVERLORD!
Ainz Ooal Gown*
Honestly, most fantasy stories are kindof like this and they just kindof push it under the rug. Alot of fantasy stories will have a slave trade for the purpose of the hero rescuing a future companion from it. They just don't really consider the implications that has on a world most of the time, or that a slave might have living family that betrayed them (typically captured from a conquered area)
Nah!After season 3 i cannot bear the for the Bone tyrant anymore!I hope the author pull a asspull or something to kill ainz or atleast put a stop to nazarick!
I want Ainz to get a taste of his own medicine, he deserves none of my sympathy.
Ainz is the Overlord of Death. You don't rule over death and let invaders of your home go back to their families. This was the ONLY ending to this story that would keep the theme of the series consistent. Ainz isn't a good guy or a bad guy. He's an Undead King who we all rooted for in the beginning to conquer the world. What did we think was going to happen? Were no innocents going to get hurt in a journey of world domination? Were bodies not going to drop as Ainz's influence grew stronger and reached farther? Did we think all the humans would be evil that he would have to step on to rule? In reality, good people get hurt all the time. Sometimes, bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people. Such is the case with the twin little sisters. And unfair, unbalanced world will always lead to circumstances like that and it's so rare to see an author tap into that raw reality of things, especially in a fantasy show! which we usually use to escape the horrors of reality.
And I think a lot of us (me included early on) thought Ainz might've been a good guy when he saved certain people. But watching (and reading) back, you see that they were only saved because they could prove useful to Nazarick and Ainz's goals in the future. He didn't do any good deeds. He has only done and will continue to do whatever is necessary to protect and/or expand the power of Nazarick in this world, regardless of the nature (innocent or guilty) of those who are not of Nazarick and happen to be participants (knowingly or unknowingly; willingly or unwillingly) in his plans.
Behold The Supreme One, Lord Ainz Ooal Gown, Ruler of Death.
the hypocrites who are unable to see realistic situations would greatly disagree,but not me. Glory to Ainz Ooal Gown
Ainz does what a ruler has to do. He care about his people and no one else.
@@andraskovacs5431 precisely. Well.. I guess that is until he conquers the world lol and no one's left to technically be treated as "outsiders"
@@only1kingz
Exactly. That would prevent wars, political racism, most of the crimes(because who would try to steal in a street where death knights are the guards) sooo yeah.
Ainz for world president
AND ALL HAIL OUR LORD AINZ OOAL GOWN
Nah!fuck the Bone tyrant!Shonem fans may not see it but machiavellian characters exist everywhere in anime(Like Tokiomi Tohsaka,Kyubeii and Light Yagami) and to be clear Ainz is just demiurgus puppet...
What I find interesting is the way it was toying with the viewers.
Most people were excited to see foresight get slaughtered and wanted it to happen so badly.
Then those same people afterwards feel like shit if they cared about the little sisters because they feel themselves like they wanted this to happen.
Good Job for sharing the lore Lord Ains is interested on making you his tool of spreading the name
As many comments have pointed out, the author wants to put a lot of emphasis out there about the cruelty of the world. Such as in season 2 with the eight fingers, that is basically what's been going in the Re-Estize Kingdom before Nazarick took over. Surely Ainz has done a lot of fk'ed up things throughout the story, things of which he's aware of as well as things that are going behind his back.
...yet all and all these things that are happening often are for the greater good. In the particular scene where Momon and Nabe were walking in Baharuth Empire, Ainz did mention of how the Bloody Emperor Jircniv stripped the power of useless nobles and instead prefer the talented. Because of that Baharuth Empire was pretty technological advanced in comparison to other nations. But because of that, Arche's parents (who used to be nobles) got into their stupid situation and therefore cursed the emperor in that one scene.
Not to dive too much into spoiler territory: Being at the position that Ainz is in, he often doesn't have much of a choice but to make sacrifices in favor of his guild, it's a pecking order if you will. That said though, he does care a lot about the people that are under his protection, for instance Tuare in season 2. Ainz's eventually creates his own kingdom with the ambition to make it a utopia in which all races can co-exist with each other in peace. However he does state that he cares not about the people that are not part of his kingdom, whereas he'll display absolutely no emotion towards them, yet act for the greater good (light novel volume 13 is beautiful).
As for the workers: He did give them many chances to back out, for instance that chest full of gold indeed. As for Arche, he would likely have given her another way out had he known her back story a little better. On the brighter side: Those three slave elves from Erya (that douche that got the easiest salvation out of all workers from Hamsuke) were spared, since they did not enter the tomb out of their free will. Those three became underlings of Aura and Mara and likely lived a better life than to be enslaved by Erya.
You think that eruya stayed dead? No, every worker was revived and tortured. The proof(in anime) of this lies in the conversation of Ainz with entoma. He only asks about Arche's corpse because everyone is well alive and suffering cause there's no way you will enter the tomb with ill intent and die peacefully.
Ah yeah that would make sense! Well for that I'm at least glad that Erya got what's coming to him xD
i don't remember them reviving the dead in the LN though,didn't they just use the corpses of those that already died and healed those who didn't?since they can't possibly revive them continuosly since they'll really just die off when it drains too many levels
@@xignum yes they wouldn't revive them if they were to die because they would loose levels and turn to ashes but that only applies to normal 'level 0' humans. But workers are different. They have more levels than normal human and can just loose those and become weaker, at most again reach level 0. The reason it's highly likely is because of negative karma of NPCs of nazarick. Demiurge is skinning alive the 'innocent' humans, chopping of their body parts and feeding them, roasting their children and feeding it to each other, breeding experiments between different races and so on. All these done to the 'innocent'. Remember Ainz and other guardians were watching the whole workers and the workers were laughing at the master of the tomb saying he's an idiot. Well, there's no way in hell are they not going to suffer for eternity.
The reason it isn't explicitly stated in the light novel is because it's maruyama's way of hiding details and making us figure out. Same happened with princesses renner and Demiurge when they met. It wasn't explicitly stated but implied .
after they reach level 0 they'll turn into ashes when they die and get resurrected is what i mean
If this dark side keeps up, all the anime sites will have to put Overload in the Psychosocial Genres.
Well your in luck bc up until vol 13 it's even more terrifying than befoer and more messed up
In my opinion volume 8 is more mess up just because we find out what demi is doing in his farm
Ainz is in a pretty dark world, were the nobles cares more about social status and money than lives (hmmmm, what
a coincidence)
Also, Murayama is very rude author. In the way that he doesn't go for the "everyone win" way of writting. Even Ainz said it "The strong eats the weak. Even I would be a prey in the hands of someone stronger". That's why Ainz is testing this world. He doesn't want to be the prey, he just wants to live in peace with his friends and the NPCs.
JALDABAOTH AND THE EXCELENT WEAPON. (worst scene in all Overlord Novel in my opinion)
@@Juanjose-tm4qp that is one person I would easily agree to have suffered a fate far worse than Arche
Its the same thing when Sebas saved tsure she is Ninya's older sister a similar story was told between season 1 and 2 theres a reason Ainz allowed Sebas to keep her
Ainz spared Tsure's life because Ninya's journal gave useful information to him. He let her stay in Nazerick because Sebas asked him to do so.
@@dylanmorris7946 i know and the whole sex slavery thing already happend in season 1 and 2 with Tsure what im saying is the sex slavery thing is so far an explored topic if Sebas had not saved Tsure she would have had the exact same grim fate as the foresight teams caster's sisters
+Christopher Combs
I am actually hesitant on the sex slave theory being the end result of the twins like it was with Tsuare. All the author really told us was that the twins were sold into slavery and that they died a few months later from "exhaustion." Nothing from that leads to the idea of them being sex slaves and the key word "exhaustion" more implies that they died doing some form of manual labor or from lack of basic necessities (food, shelter, sleep, etc.) Neither of those fit the most common form of death, physical abuse, that someone in a sex slave position would die from.
Of course the author does like to keep things vague so people can use their own imagination, so anything goes I guess.
@@dylanmorris7946 the only things little girls could do while in slavery was houshold chores like cleaning clothes or sex they are not capable of hardlabor its not realistic
+Christopher Combs
Not necessarily. Child labor was very common in pre-industrial societies and many of the jobs that slave children had to preform could be quite deadly. Be that working in mines, household manufacturing, agriculture, and (much later) in factories. Hell, any job can cause life threatening levels of "exhaustion" if the working conditions are poor enough, such as incredibly long hours, poor nutrition, and (especially with slaves) poor treatment from their employers.
Take washing clothes for instance. If the twins had to simply wash clothes for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, with little food, no breaks, and possible contact with "not so healthy" cleaning supplies, they can easily die in a few months. If they are doing agriculture work, then that is even worse. Mines are even worse than that. Etc.
To be honest, I don't really feel much about Arche and her little sisters, even in the LN. Slavery has already been mentioned in Tuare's arc, so I don't think the fate of these little girls is too shocking, while they have a whole family reason for them to the slave. On the other hand, Tuare was just being a poor peasant that enslave and sold by the landlord, which are much crueler and darker.
I can see why people feel upset about Arche and her sisters, for me that's what Maruyama planned for in this arc. As Maruyama said in a interview before, the whole idea through the story of Overlord is "The law of the jungle" , which is repeatedly mentioned in the LN, especially in Vol. 12-13. This theme goes through every arcs, lizardmans ruled by Ainz, poors become slave, all of these are the same, the weak got dominated by the stronger one. which IMO, makes the story of Overlord realistic and reasonable, and stand out from the other isekai LNs.
People seem to forget that Ainz is evil in nature now besides his former human mind
He didn't know about the twins or else he might of had mercy.
don't worry you will know that that would change nothing
@@luk1917 Why do you choose to not see the truth. He likes to spare people maybe he makes it seem like it's part of the plan but he's still human from how he sounds like in his monologue.
But whatever.. can't get a blind man to see what you mean.
well watever dude i dont want to explain you gotta see it for yourself anyway because this would be pointless explaing as people will always hold on to there point of view
He not evil he neutral evil
Here's the thing, Ainz may be ruthless sometimes and has lost most of his humanity but it is shown in small bursts that he isn't completely heartless and cold. He holds his comrades and underlings in high regards, he showed mercy to Tsuare, he protects Carne village, etc. The thing that is swaying most viewers is if Ainz was replaced by a human and the humans were replaced by aliens or monsters then we would be totally on track with what he is doing, it is simply because the protagonist is not human and the people he is killing are human that we feel this sick feeling in our stomachs.
Never once has Ainz actually been completely ruthless or tyrannical or unfair to people who didn't deserve it in some way. The first example was the guy from the sunlight scripture, the second was Clementine, and along those same lines he deemed the workers to not be worthy of letting go once they decided to trespass on his home. I mean, think of this, if they had been let go then more and more people would come to Nazarick to attack and defeat the guardians and Ainz himself. Plus, Ainz actually gave them a chance to not invade by putting all those gold coins and jewels in the outer crypts that the workers came across when first going there. If they had just taken the money and left then this wouldn't have happened to them.
Lastly, this show definitely doesn't shy away from the fact that the humans in this world cause most of the suffering other humans go through. Monsters are a problem, yes, but the biggest threat to human lives has and always will be other humans. If you look at it this way, a country ruled by Ainz would actually be preferable to one ruled by the current kingdoms as he can provide actual protection and guarantee prosperity unlike nobles and kings who only use their power to keep themselves in power.
And you know upsets me the most? These girls are going to wind up just like Tuare. But unlike Tuare, there’s no Sebas to save them.
gabthegreat01 they died
PFT. TRUE OMG...😥😱
Personally I dont't think the twins became sex slaves, I wouldn't write it off. I think they died from overwork-labor
Jircniv and Renner are actually making efforts to wipe oit fetish-slave brothels. The one destroyed by Sebas was supposedly the last one.
But perhaps that's just wishful thinking...
It was over exhaustion from work. You are correct. The sisters died because whoever purchased them literally worked them to death.
Renner on the other hand didn't attempt to abolish the slave trade because it's rght, she did things like that in order to make herself look like a proper princess who cares about the public for the sake of looking good for Climb.
@@SnowyWolborgAlso Maruyama actually changes Arche's fate from the webnovels(Shalltears' sex slave while living with her sisters in Nazarick) to the one in the light novels based on a fan poll that had fans saying they rather her just die. TO MY KNOWLEDGE Maruyama didn't mention what would happen to the twins in the poll and just killed Arche he said he would while killing off her sisters because...why?
I'm not sure if Maruyama is being a troll or if he's trying to make a point but that is rather fucked up.
Not Jircniv he still allowed slavery. Because he cares more about military and technology compared to human rights
@@kingofjokers1 its the opposite... the fans wanted her to live when writing WN that decided to make her a sex slave but while adapting into LN that should be a better and refined version he decided to kill her off
@@kingofjokers1 think about it? why would someone buy a pair of little kids for normal slavery instead of some well built adult
People need to remember that Overlord is not taking place in an idealistic setting. This is a medieval themed, dark fantasy world where rights violations are going on all over the place.
For Arche's situation, blame her dumbass father. His stupid ass kept taking loans so he could have flex money to show off and pretend like he's still rich. All that debt he racked up was his own fault and his family suffered for it.
Also in the Re-Estize Kingdom in S2, we saw how a criminal organization with slave trade and drug trafficking branches were operating literally in the capital city. Not to mention how it's *very* unsafe to travel outside large cities if you can't defend yourself.
And that's not even counting the historical events that took place from the arrival of other Players in the past. The New World is a scary place if you're not strong enough to survive.
this is not the first time we see something like this.......
the same fate as Tuareninya and would've died if sebas never met her
and the fate of her little sister and her Guild members "The swords of Darkness"
"A lot of this stuff could still be happening" Yeah it does still happen unfortunately. For the love of Zeus don't google the subject unless you want to be depressed. It happens a lot more than you can believe is even possible and there are so many groups out there trying to combat it but yet it just keeps happening. I personally like the fact that the author has gone to this dark place, as dark as Lord Ainz might be the people in this new world are almost always shown to be even darker and in doing so he is giving us a reason to continue to support Ainz even when he himself gets evil.
at first i thought entoma stole the voice of the purple hair woman
I thought so aswell
Leon Kan same
her and her lover went to the black hole to use for breeding.
Leon Kan same but honesty I like her nomarl voice
dont worry same VA just change tone
As an anime only, i'm more in love with this show ALOT more after this episode (even that i know the details from comments of LN readers)
This is what the market lack of today
A plot you can dive into
Its great
Its messup
Its rollercoaster of emotions
When you can make like 5 videos out of 1 episode, you know its lore/aftertaste VERY VERY GOOD.
GOD I NEED MORE OF THIS MASTERPIECE
just want to say, things like this has been there from the starting of Overlord... Overlord is lot more messed up than people think and give it credit for, most of the fucked up scenes are outright skipped.. like, for example, if you ask an anime only about who is the most fucked up person in Nazarick? most would be confused to select one... but the LN readers would immediately say *Demiurge* cause each and every messed up shit he has done was outright skipped from the anime... the scene about Arche in this episode , anime was way too mild.. many people dropped the Overlord LN after volume 7 cause they couldn't handle all the messed up shit in Overlord.. and there are people who suffered far worse death than Arche or even her sisters.. like Arche's sisters died as sex slaves right? there were some humans upon whom Demiurge conducted breeding experiments with Demihumans... like having a human woman bear an ogre's child (hasn't been successful but many women had forced through the intercourse)
@@shahmeerzaid287 yea i got it since early anime, as in it hinted alot like demi is conducting experiments, but it just become apparent by now in anime
Splats incoming!
Shahmeer Zaid
I think the closest they came prior to these past 2 episodes to showing what was in the Light Novels was in season 2 when Sebas found Tuareninya Veyron and talked about her condition as well as the lowkey abortion solution did. Another HIGHLY fucked up think that Demiurge has done that was cut was the conversation with albedo about how he starved his captives then forced them to vote on the sacrifice who would be skinned (alive of course), chopped up (in front of them no less), ground up then served to them only to heal them (you seriously thought they would be nice enough to let them die and be free of this torment for even a few minutes? HA your funny) them and start the process all over again.
As Ainz himself said in this most recent episode death is mercy in Nazarick.
I’m sure you’ve heard this a lot but read the light novels. If you think the anime is even remotely decent, the light novels will blow you away.
After watching this episode, I have began to think who actually Overlord is?? Is he a good and righteous man as we have seen him helping people and even reviving those who he seem fit and even thinking some steps ahead..I understand that he wants his name to be known all over the world as he believes that there may be other players out there...but how can I describe him after this episode? Is he playing the survival of fittest, or excess greed kills? Or is the original person (MC) turing to real evil Overlord as the time passes....
his style is really close to social Darwinism. the strong survive because they have power to back up their talk, those who are weak should get stronger or submit.
before hekkeran boldly lie to his face, Ainz was going to give them all a warrior's death, no experiment no people turning into hive. he does understand respect and give respect to those he think deserve it. but the weak, not physically weak, the morally weak are not worthy of his respect, those are the one who get turn into cockroach chow.
before you pass judgement on Ainz right now, it's worth noting that the last arc was supposed to show you the effect of Ainz's subjugation of the lizardman. despite wanting to exterminating the lot of them back in season 2, it is shown that his action has united the once divided tribes into one big tribe. the food shortage problem that caused the tribe to feud against each other are solved because Ainz grant them food from nazarick while they set up fish farm. lizardman are even permitted to train within nazarick to get stronger. this is why we see them training hamsuke.
although his action look bad in the short run, it is very beneficial to the world in the long run
He is not evil, he just dont care about people that are not loyal for Nazarick
Nah he's definitely evil, he just finds way to "justify" his evil deeds so he can claim some sort of hypocritical justice.
the strong get to dictate what justice is and boy is he strong
Pavan Choudar he was never good he has always been bad we have been cheering for the bad guys I’m surprised you haven’t realized that yet
I think it was a interesting thing to make the story have that even not in the novel, but I also think that it is very dark and it kind of makes me upset. I think this is also like our own society where the strong beats the weak and that it is not a friendly place. Overlord just takes it to a whole new level. I just want to cry for the siblings so much but after watching clannad and other sad anime i just built a sadness tolerance. I just wish that none of the npcs would be controlled again because that would just break Ains because they are all that he have left of his friends and they are all that he can trust.
Y'know, this is really really terrible. I agree, what happened to those little girls is just awful. From a writing point of view, it's a masterpiece. From a psychological sense, this author is messed up.
One of the reasons why it's so messed up is bc the author himself experienced some of these things
It's pretty clear from many of the themes that the creator doesn't care for the idea that good people always win in the end.
Yup, "good people always win" is just idealism.
In reality, in our world good people get chewed up and spat out on a daily basis.
Rogue Reaper it really is sad that is true and we have year of history to back it up
The only way we as a race can see the best versions of ourselves is too delve into the deepest depths of what evil we are capable of. People are afraid of facing this side of humanity, but the little girls’ situation still happens to this day, on a large scale. Maruyama isn’t messed up; in fact, I’d argue that by making readers face such a disgusting situation he forces us to inspect the world we live in and see it a little more clearly.
People do relize Ainz is the evil villain right?
From his perspective I would of honestly done the same.
Komoto_Kane not being a jerk *realize and i dont personally think hes evil its that Demiurge’s perspective that he is the most clever and smartest person in the world so Demiurge tries to surpass that by so called “help Ains take over the world”
@@b1ank511 yeah, that also makes sense. And you're not being a jerk.
@Tyrell Johnson well not what I was planning on doing with them but okay*
yeah same but ainz giving them a chance to live
1. Asking ( Momon ask them )
2. Giving free gold to back away ( They where giving free gold and weapons outside )
3. and NEVER LIE TO AINZ.. ( if the dude just fucking tell the truth they would have a chance to live probably )
The light Novel, is Sinister on the Experiments , like the Captured Black S. , were put together without food, and given group choice which one to eat everyday. Demiurge to Feed the Human Slaves, have them exchange children of families to Roast, giving parents at Dinner table to say Goodbye and forced to finish it All. The Skin of all slain , and Holy Kingdom Captives made to make "Parchment," to make Scrolls. Dragon skin being best for 8- 10 Tier Spells.
No, personally I say Maruyama didn't go too far. Yes it is really messed up and morally questionable but I think he just want to open up our eyes on how terrible the world could be. I've read the LN and Maruyama is not holding the punches back, he sure put lots of details to his work.
When someone told me that Arche's sisters were sold to slavery, I didn't believe them at first because as far as I remember, I don't see it in the LN. "I might have missed it" that was my first thoughts until lots of people say it came from interview and it's canon. I might have to re-read the entire volume again just to be sure.
Yeah sure, Ainz have done terrible deeds but if you ask me to compare him to people like the Arche's parents, he is more human than those degenerate pair of brainless garbage. Selling off your family members? That is just plain disgusting... and to be honest, I've seen it happening although I don't mean like literally selling off your fam member to slavery. Yes, those kinds of people exist irl.
Man... the author is brilliant as a writer. I love the series.
I am not excusing the parents, they were worthless in my eyes, but that doesn't excuse Ainz. A guy capable of ending slavery and chooses not to is just as bad as the parents who sold those girls into slavery and arguably even worse than the parents because of his sheer ignorance.
The only reason I didn’t feel bad for them is because they decided to lie to ainz. I almost guarantee ainz would’ve spared them had she spoke up and told the truth. Dude would’ve probably even helped her situation
Well Entoma is not getting Evileye voice then.
Hey, there's nothing saying she can't keep multiple lip bugs around. :P
*That's So Mess Up ☝ 💀 👑 How The Sister's Are Sold Off By There Twisted Mess Up Parents*😢😶😭
somewhere deep in my heart I wished that the anime gave arche the WN ending.... although Entoma will be left voiceless....
also also keep your eyes open for an upcoming anime titled Goblin Slayer, if you loved overlord you are sooooo gonna love that series
what is the wb ending for Arche?
In the Web Novel, she became Shalltear's s*x toy and she also teaches Ainz how to dance. She also given the privilege to later live as a civilian in a log cabin on the 6th Floor with her sisters.
I prefer the light novel/anime ending myself. It's much more impactful and does a good job of reminding people that Ainz is the bad guy of this story.
@@Xedllin
but what about Entoma's voice?
It is evident when reading the Light Novel of Overlord that it is in fact quite dark. Similar to how dark Berserk is. I don't necessarily think Overlord being dark is bad at all, it is just probably just not exactly what anime only's were expecting when they watched season 1. Similar to how some parts of Attack on Titan are becoming darker and the eclipse in Berserk is mind-blowingly grotesque and dark for a 1997 anime only.
Also, I know at this point in the Anime the Anime only's are finally realizing if they haven't already that Ainz Ooal Gown is most definitely not the good guy in the story, but quite the opposite. In truth he only cares for the NPC's of Nazarick, his old comrades from his guild, and people who respect Nazarick.
You know, I read the 7th novel at least 3 times, I knew exactly what was coming, I thought I was ready for it going into this episode, but the tears still came when I saw Arche's little sisters.
Madhouse did one hell of a job with the way in which they convayed the tragedy of this episode and their choice of background music.
Every reaction video of this episode I watch I'm basically going "BRING ON THE PAIN!" as this scene gets me right in the kokoro every single goddamn time...
>_<
SHUDDUP! I'M NOT CRYING! YOU'RE CRYING! **sniff**
I think what the author trying to show to the readers is the origin of villains. How an entity branded as evil and villain by others is actually had his own story and reasons for his doing. How his victims accused him for villainy for their own wrongdoing. How a clashed culture and idea becoming a war between heroes against villains. And how relatable all of it to our own history as human society.
Archie's death was sad enough with the twins waiting to see her , i just now noticed that there are two sets of blonde twins in this show, wait scratch that there are alot of blonde people in this show like almost 20.
it was said in the LN that blonde is the normal colour of the new world... No one in the NW has black colour except the people that live in far south ( country of the 8 Greed Kings, another set of players that came to this 500 years prior to Ainz and are now dead)
This is still nothing. Web novel is much much darker...but at least it have happy ending. Simplified a lot: Arche live got spared, but became Shalltears pet. She got physicly and mentaly broken to the point she was litteraly acting like well trained dog...she even got a tail. Happy ending in all of this is after some time (around a year) Ainz needed inside info on Empire, and got it from Arche. Some time later he bought/rescued her little sisters. As a reward for helping with Empire he granted all 3 of them freedom. Kinda, cuz they couldn't leave 6th floor of Nazarick, but were treated good from that point onward.
Rip ningen died from the sin of greed
Indeed. They could have just taken the gold they found at the beginning, but nooo...they had go deeper thinking if we found this at the entrance, just imagine what we can find further in.
Actually the author just said they're probably gonna be dead in a few monthes. He didn't say what happened. But in the WN they were sold to people who's using them for human sacrifice. The same thing might have happened here.
I think this Anime/Novel is so succesful because of the darkness in this Fantasy World and the Protagonist. If you think about it, its one of the rare Shows where the Main Character is OP and actually is aware of his Powers and uses it efficiently..... i mean how many Shows are there where the Main Char is OP but isn´t using his Powers in the way a normal Person in his situation would?!^^ I dare to believe a lot of us would act the same way with such great power and given the fact that he also changed mentally after getting the body of an undead/lich.
Regarding the dark topics in the Overlord World and as i´m also a Anime only watcher, i think its rather plausible to include this dark topics, as stated from Ainz in the first season, this world is on the civilization level of the middle ages. A time period where slavery and terrible things like mentioned in this video were "normal". In my opinion its just more realistic to include this dark topics, like for example Game of Thrones did when they include slavery, rape and so on. Its terrible of course, but thats how it was in this times and as terrible as it is, it also happens today and not only in "lesser" developed countries. Another fact why the Autor includes this dark topics is (in my opinion) the fact that he draws a lot of inspiration from the D&D Lore, because he is a big D&D fan and as a D&D Fan myself, i can say that the majority of the D&D Storys are quite f***** up if you think about the stuff that happens in it.^^
Conclusion: It´s a realistic, dark and f*** up world in which the Overlord Story takes place, and it was this way long before Ains arrived there, so they deserve to either be wiped out or be conquered by Ainz Ooal Gown!!!
Check out novel called mushoku tensei. It's really good too.
You still don't get it wake up and smell the coffee!!these things happen right now in real world 2018 and do happen in 3rd and 1st world countries some more some less ,but the LN and the Anime is just showing our world in a nut box.
I'm turning cold because I am slowly feeling less and less. Even when I saw this scene I did not even fells sad. I feel almost like I might be coming like the monsters in this show.
When you "make" a world for a story and keep adding details into it, then at a certain point you will see certain aspects that was not in your initial plans before. (If you are insightful enough to see it, that is.) And whether these aspects are amazingly great or horribly awful, it's all up to you to put it in your story or not. Sometimes you think that aspect is too much to handle and left it out from your story, but it doesn't change the fact that "that something" has happened in your world.
In the Webnovel Arche is alive and is reunited with her sisters. They live on the 6th floor of Nazarick in a cabin. The author changed the ending due to a fan poll. I like to believe that ending more than this.
Man I didn't even realize this when I watched the episode. Is Ains really going to just become more evil and lose the humanity he had in the beginning of the show or will he realize his mistakes one day. ( I feel that he will become more evil and one day when he meets one of his friends again and achieves his goal they will see him as a monster after all he has done to get there.)
Brylanbbab - Well karma is a bitch so i hoped that what going to happened. Those poor girls....
He switches back and forth. His overall plans for the future are actually really good.
monksters1 well even he has a good plan for the future he has stain himself with the blood of innocent people. I understand it can't be helped but still....
Ainz has always been like this even from the beginning. I will not spoil anything but Ainz wasn't that good of a guy IRL either, the world he lived in was much crueler than the one he is in now. The reason you see him as someone who is gradually becoming evil is just instilled in your view that protagonists must be good. Also the only person in his guild I believe who would be COMPLETELY opposed to what Ainz is doing is Touch Me. Most of the Ainz Ooal Goal players were either negatively aligned or neutral aligned so they would probably do the same in Ainz's position. If Ainz were truly evil he would simply label himself as a god in this new world and take it over with one command, we already know he has the power to at least try.
dinozero2 Overall moot point since shit like that does not bother him.
I was heart broken for a whole day by the two sisters' fate mainly because their struggle of personal freedom from their abusive and self-serving family is something I'm going through my life right now too.
I really connected with Arche's story and dream to live independently with her sisters and was totally rooting for that to happen. This was one of the most grim anime episodes I have every watched.
Feels bad for the gurls, but it's not Ainz's fault, it's their parents fault. If they were smarter, more loving, more caring, their daughters won't die, and Arché wouldn't have needed to go adventuring. The whole reason she is a worker is because her parents are shit heads. So dude, don't blame Ainz, blame their parents. And yes, the author mapped the world out really well, it is probably the only way this arc would've ended. As I read some comments below, this anime showed how some humans were more monstrous then a big skeleton bad ass. Ainz is not a knight of justice, as in he would not go punish Arché's parents and free the Arché siblings, he is just a neutral guy. You come in my house, I kill you, ez as that. For good people, we would blame Ainz. For smart people, we would blame Arché's parents. Yes, greed was the root of evil in this episode. But it was the greed of Arché's parents that pushed their daughters to death. What is right and wrong? Is it subjective? To Ainz, you break in to my house, you're wrong. For Arché, you killed my friends and left my sisters alone is wrong. To me, it's Arché's parents who were the most wrong, the ones that most deserved to die, the ones who were the most evil.
If I remember correctly, Arche's fate was decided by a reader poll, and that the fate of Arche's sisters was his way of showing his readers that this was the consequences of them deciding to kill Arche.
I guess we watched different season 1 because I always knew ainz is closer to the dark side than good. The only thing is he shows more evil when it involves his home that he and his friends made. I also figured he Hadn’t being more ruthless is because he was still figuring out how strong the people of this world was. I look forward to overlord darkness and I highly doubt he could do something I disapprove of.
I would say ains if influenced by the great tomb into an evil overlord , if he wars teleported all by himself then he would have made evil eye a good and sweet friendship honestly I like the side story more because how sweet and kind the relationship was with ains and evil eye
😢😢😢😢😢 Archie's parents are so messed up... Also what you said about this could be happening in 3rd world countries...... Its really something you have to think about. when it comes down to it, that probably is happening in real time... And when you think about how many families could have done what Archie's did, and then how people, not just children, could be going through what those 2 little girls are going through..😖😖😖😖😖
It all sickens me to think about. Honestly gives me chills..... For everyone reading this. Don't stand by doing nothing, and let somthing/some REALLY BAD things or just wrong things in general happen. Speak up, help others, and...
"Let not 1 man, for he shall be punished, let God's kindness have been vane. Nor let the Lord look at thee's soul, only to find the selfishness (Sell-Fish-Ness), the Barbarism, and the workings of demons themselves. Not Demons of hell, but of Demons born from mankind's actions full of shamfulness and greed"
I think that verse sums up what you wanted to say pretty well. I hope your video, opinion, and your feelings as a idivisual inspires people to do just what you have done...
Spreading the word that they, as their own person, care about what happens to others, in public, without fearing others opinions and being comfortable knowing some people will like, dislike, agree, and/or disagree about what you, as a human have to say.
(P.S sorry for rambling with the voice to text function.)
In the 2017 interview Muruyama stated that in Overlord it’s the law of the jungle where the strong survive and the weak perish you need to have that mindset so you can justify what Ainz action was. In the web novel Arche becomes Shalltear’s sex slave vampire while the twins were still sold off, thanks to Ainz they were rescued and reunited with their sister. Fans were shock when they saw the light novel with a different ending for Arche, but hey what’s more important? Nazarick getting more powerful and reviving Entoma’s voice or just a few measly humans? Remember law of the jungle.
Akame Ga Kill spoilers below!
This episode was as dark as the ending of Akame Ga Kill
Na I was so pissed how tf can the mc die.
I was realising how much I actually like mine one ep later she died.
+Dee Bee Geek 9:20 is it that dark or messed up thing though? Wasnt it a common thing back in the past to pay one's debts with your own blood or family?
Lol the next arc is more messed up
I wouldn't say more messed up but the stuff that happened was on a completely different and larger scale... most messed up arc was the Holy Kingdom arc
Shahmeer Zaid i love demiurge's new "weapon" in that arc.
I don't agree with you, why is more messed up? Ainz just kill soldier in a war, that is what is suposed to do in a war, right? Kill soldier. They didn't surrender, so they were killed.
The next arc had me laughing about how ignorance can be percieved as genius
A friend and I got into an argument over whose fault it was for the fate of the younger sisters. He argues that it's Ainz's fault because he ordered the death of the girl, but I argue that if anyone is to blame for what happened, it would be the father's fault. From that one scene where the girl argued with her dad for purchasing something expensive while their financial situation was the complete opposite of what he was trying to "show", you could glean that the father is likely to have made a lot of other unnecessary decisions which probably dug the hole deeper around their family.
Any thoughts would be nice on this.
Ainz mind become undead little by little...
Well his karma is negative 500.
His karma is on par with Demi, we all know the fun things Demi is doing.
Not really little by little, he said from the beginning that he didn't care much about human life.
How i love overlord, is that power of friendship won't work here
This is just the start it gets darker from here on out. May even be darker than black
I see overlord as not the story of Ainz or the story of Nazarick, but the story of the new world with Nazarick's presence. From a narrative standpoint, things like what happened in this eigth episode not only further the plot, they also demonstrate something important- Ainz isn't acting for the good of the world, he is acting out of self-interest, he is the overlord not the savior. Ainz's actions will sometimes protect the people, and other time they will have horrible consequences. It gives nuance to what he is doing, as his actions may be questionable, and it also delivers on the promises made from the very beggining of essentially having a bad guy protagonist.
I think the author has a great handle on the way the world they created operates: It would have been easy for them to make up some good ending for the sisters if their fate wasn't even in the novels. However, what he said, disturbing as it may be, is the logical conclusion to that narrative. The author continually demonstrates how everything is connected and has real conquences in the world, plus as shown with the Lizardmen arc, it shows there are real people to care about in the world.
It's a can of worms too deep to really unpack in a youtube comment, but in my opinion, while things may be disturbing at times, it progresses character, narrative, worldbuilding and themes: And that is absolutely brilliant writing.
Absolutely!
Overlord truly shows us the world in a neutral perspective.
No good guys. No bad guys.
Only true realsists. Good or bad is only relative.
Easily one of the gratest novels ever written in modern times.
did no one played an MMO for 6+ years and build up something with FRIENDS that took YEARS?! Its the Law of Jungle baby Strong one lives Weak one Dies.
HAIL AINZ OOAL GOWN
i can't forget the volume 9 where author literally devoted an entire page to "Splat" , just to give an image of how brutally soldier's were been killed.
at the end of the season you will see what is real evil XD
loved your review mate . i think the same you are me lol i thought it was me who was speaking when you spoke.
in my opinion he went overboard and the fate of the couple was also very gruesome
Not gonna lie I might be messed up but I was laughing so hard with the sister scene
I was laughing at even worse scenes in the LN xD one of those would be *splatfest* , the finale of this season
We are all messed up
Finally some me of culture!
Basically the lyrics of Go Cry Go. Laugh at all of it!
I am still baffled at people complaining that Arche's body was "desecrated". We humans do the same thing to animals and consider it moral to use all of the animal, wasting a kill is viewed as a sign of disrespect. And we are much closer to a the animals we kill than Ainz is to humans, power wise. People need to learn perspective.
This episode gave me purse... then I found out what happened to the twins... yeah, it's so dark... I can't even process the sadness and anger and it doesn't really make sense to me... I know its fiction but I can't seem to help myself feel this way. I love Overlord and as a anime only I've enjoyed the story so far but this episode has shown why Ains is the bad guy to me. The twisted and cold reality of the world isn't getting any better with Ains there making things worse. He's just as selfish and greedy as the workers, maybe even more so... I hate to admit it but I hope that one day, when the story comes to its inevitable conclusion, Lord Ains will finally see what he has done to so many and realises he has become a monster beyond all monsters as everything crumbles around him... (What can I say, I like stories where the hero wins in the end. Lord Ains is no hero but the villein that must be stopped. I just wonder who will be able to do it. A Dragon Lord maybe?)
The fact that you wrote this long show you're a true overlord fans.
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LOL you're reading the wrong story if you think Ainz will ever lose
Schinak, I never said I think that would happen... just after last episode, I wonder if it will happen and if so, how. It'll have to be a super satisfying and epic death because nothing else will do for such a great character and story!
+IGL Xenix He has far too many cards to play to ever die. Anything other than Ainz winning it all and being the unexpected unifier and savior even with his dark methods, would be a shitty ending.
Schinak I missed spoke my last comment... I meant to say it makes me want to see him fail not that he will. After all Ainz Ooal Gown dose not know defeat! It'll be a pretty shitty ending if he just die due to some BS so it'll have to be something he dose that dose it for me, even then, you may be right. He may still be the lesser of two or three evils in the world he finds himself in. We'll just have to wait and find out how things go. I'm Anime only so everything I know is specific to what is there. (Hell, overlord is one of the few Animes I actually like to watch in Japanese, formally being a dub only anime fan.) I haven't read the light novel and I know there's a lot about to go down. Like I said in my original comment, I'm a fan of the old cliche of good triumphs over evil and I now see Lord Ainz as evil and not chaotic neutral. It's not gonna stop me from speculating on how he will fail even if I am still rooting for Nazarick! (Okay, now I'm contradicting myself to I'm gonna stop here!)
You can't put the fate of those kids on Ains. Their parents are the true monsters in this incident.
Also no matter how dark Overlord gets its still vanilla ice cream compared to Berserk
it's getting there though, it's getting there. this next arc should make it equal to the end of the golden age arc.
@@cyberwolfy37 lol no just no consider briefly that the very first volume of the manga has open sex, child cannibalism, and some of the most brutal murders (head stapled to a post with a crossbow) in manga and given the history of guts, Griffith, casca, and the band of the hawk im up to volume 13 in overlord and at no point is it anywhere near the brutality of berserk
Christopher Combs
No you have no idea, read volume 12 and 13 then come back. Child murder, implied monster rape, children and old people being eaten alive, infants being used as humans shields by beastmen, Endless horrible unending suffering, genocides of entire groups of people and beast races.That's what happens in volumes 12-13...You have no damn idea...none at all....
Xavier thats just a random Tuesday in Berserk im on volume 13 and so far there has been a distinct lack of demon rape and sacrifices to the god hand in overlord it really isnt anywhere close to the brutality of Berserk go read Berserk really its a really good manga but its super dark and brutal and in Berserk there is no OP savior figure like ainz save for guts who is already a sacrifice and his soul belongs to the god hand
Christopher Combs
No there isn't what the fuck? Demiurge and his servant literally says even in the anime that hes trying to breed humans with monsters. You think that involves said humans falling in love with said monster, getting happily married, and having kids? You are being ridiculous. You haven't read the novels man. Otherwise you'd know. I've read both Berserk and Overlord. Overlord is very close to berserk now in terms of dark themes.
Not to mention Ainz himself, our MC, is the one allowing these things to happen.
He trying to show that monster may be scary but nothing is more scarier than real life
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FYI, her being killed was Ainz showing mercy, what happen to the others was far far far worse...... though the fact Archie wasn't some greedy worker there to steal from Ainz, the fact she was only doing it to save her sisters.... it does make you feel anger towards Ainz, in fact many of the fans of the web novel (where she didn't die) were pretty pissed off at the author for changing that.
I can tell you, its horrible to see this in the real world. I am a psychologist in México (thats why i have bad english hehe) and years ago i worked with child survivors from abuse, all kind of abuse; to hear the narration of a sexual abuse from the victim itself, to see a kid hospitalized with hes skull cracked and a bag attached to his intestines, those were very difficult times, thanks for your videos and content bro, its a lot of help to find some rest to have a good time
I for one am glad this is the road The Anime chose to adapt.
It's consistent with Overlord's world theme of "The Strong Being On Top", and I heard there's also one thing we got to avoid :
The Supposed Ulikeable and Worst Character in All of Overlord :
*_JET_*
Oh no!
Not Jetto-sama!
Oh god no!
The strongest being in Overlord! Stronger than Retardios and Phillip!!!The strongest of them all!
He single-handedly brought an end to everything!
The webnovel in where the author made a poll if arche survives or not the fans actually voted for her to survive but the author didnt want that so instead made a draft almost a what if, in that arche was turned into shalltears toy/pet and her sisters was caught by ains and they were actually given a good ending in nazarik, in that ains found value in arche since shes a noble and ains wanted knowledge and granted her happiness in nazarik as a reward on a cabin on mares and auras floor
Ofc this never made into cut since the author doesn't want to give cute girls plot armor and thats why i love anime like overlord
Most people forget that Ains is for all intents and purposes EVIL. He's an Overlord. The literal personification of death. He can't save everyone and he already saved Tsuare because of Ninya and her diary but that's about as far as he's willing to go for a human. Arche got the short end of the stick but that's the world they live in. Tsuare went being a sex slave and abused for a lot longer than the twins. I think that its bad that they were sold off and their parents are dicks but I also think they kinda got off easy considering the time they live in and the people that reside there to just die from exhaustion....just my insignificant opinion
strip4_me satan the light novels paint him as even more evil then he already is in the anime if you haven’t you should read one
I'm very familiar with the novel and how pacified the characters from Nazarick are
It should be obvious that something like that happened after what we saw in season 2 with Tsuare and the eight fingers as a whole and the personalities of those ex-nobles we saw two episodes ago. The author made no secret of the fact that this franchise is Dark Fantasy and things like this just happen in stories like that. Still made me cry.
About the part with her "parts". At least she dies without pain THEN they split her corpse for research (or something like that). The only sad part i felt was because of the small sisters and their fate. I kinda hoped that Ainz/Momon would somehow assure them a kinda bright future. But hey, life sadly aint unicorn and rainbows.
When you were talking about the author you wrote "Kugane Maruyama", but actually showed the anime director's picture.
Kugane Maruyama - the author - is anynymous and was only seen once during all those years and it's on anime expo this year in Overlord panel, but even then he wore all black and a skeleton's mask and all the people that took pictures of him were prohibited from uploading them, so to this day only a hand full of people saw his face and not a lot more saw "him". (Some pictures were uploaded on Overlord groups and forums, but I think they were already deleted.
It's good to know you're willing to delve deep into the lore to get the details. We appreciate your efforts
PS: I personally think it's not too dark for Ainz to do that, and I think it justifies why that world needs an Overlord because of the things people do. Somebody needs to keep them in check. Whether Ainz WOULD keep them in check however, is a different matter.
I looked the episode, read the infos again.... and omg i was sitting here the complet evening, hold down my tears etc about what happend... to think about this shows how this has paralels in our world....
Im so depressed now :(
I think the author is super talented even with the dark topics, especially with the dark topics because it gives weight to the story, every action has a reaction.
The best stories have the best world building.
The dark contents of this world are what make overlord great
That "intermission" of volume 12 by Nigel tho
Nobody realised it but at the end part Jircniv the prince was planning on blaming one of the nobles.
And it'a very likely that it will be Arche's parents.
7:06 my heart legit didn't work it stopped for 2 seconds...
I did not know what dark fantasy meant before reading Overlord
You guys remember that priest Robberdyck or something like that in the web novel his fate was rather cruel they cut off every limb from his body and then one of the maids was standing above him applying healing magic and other one was crouched on him eating him alive Arche got to see it while walking past him when he went to meet with Ainz the one casting healing magic on him was most likely Lupus Regina and the one feeding from him most likely Entoma as Arche's inner monologue described her a monster wearing maids clothing which sounds a lot like her.
She alive in the Web novel
It's quite normal to see pretty dark stuff in light novels since they don't have the cenzors that publishing companies have.
In the WN, Arche lives as a sex slave of Shalltear, and since she teach Ainz how to dance, Ainz buys her sisters when he sees them in slavery and gives the three of them a house inside of Nazarick where they live peacefully. Her fate was left to choose by a poll made by the author during his WN days and people choose her to live, since he already made her live in WN, in LN, he made it dark, in contrast to his original writting.
They were also sold off as slaves in the Web Novel (the precursor to the Light Novel), but that had a much happier ending for the twins and Arche.
I was really hoping they'd have gone with the alternate version from I believe the web novel where Shaltear simply turns her into a vampire and eventually she reunites with her sisters in the Great Tomb
lol they are dead and thats it dead lol no happy land here
This just opened so many doors that I didn’t want open
More than a villain, Ainz looks like a politician leader who cares only for his people. He has done tricks not only because one of his gardians have told him to do it but also because he realises that to get a country he have to size it by manipulation. Remember "the prince" by Machiavel
in the fact the the author wrote this in the fact that his friends couldn't play a table-top RPG i have played in games of D&D where we found out that the villain was actually the good guy and the guy who sent us out was the true villain, I've also played campaigns where we started off as the villain archetypes but ended up saving the world so it really tells a lot about the storytelling that can make you think who is really the good or bad guys
The one thing I don't get is why Ainz chose only Arche to suffer such a grotesque fate and not her entire team of Foresight it seemed a bit overkill to do that to the youngest member of their team.
I actually like how dark the world of Overlord can be at times. A lot of authors shy away from the not so pretty aspects of the world and I feel that more often than not people being afraid to share darker aspects of the worlds they’re writing can detract from it. It’s much more effective to display the consequences of certain events. Though while we may feel sympathy for Arche and her sisters I feel like this was made to make us wonder about how many other people are similarly affected by the actions of people in the world of Overlord. I don’t feel that Ainz himself is all that villainous since his motivations haven’t really changed since the beginning. While his actions are definitely gonna get more sinister (Vol 11-13) he’s still more or less just winging it.