What a class act! Pulled hard early, in ground which he hated and he still won against what turned out to be an excellent maiden! Greatest horse I have certainly seen between a mile and a mile 1/4
Eh? 'Hate' is very strong. He went very well with cut in the ground. His first and last races of his career were on soft, and he had excuses both times for not appearing to be at his best, or for not winning by the length of the track.
Remember this night so well. Heard good things about Frankel but to think the finish would have been fought out by subsequent King George and Eclipse winner Nathaniel and possibly one of the all time greats Frankel is incredible. And don't forget in second last is subsequent Ascot Gold Cup winner Colour Vision while the third has also won at Listed level and is rated over 100.
I had the pleasure of seeing Frankel (the freak) in the 2000 guinees it looked amazing on tv but seeing it live was incredible, and yes I was on £120 won ,thankyou
the best thing about this maiden is that Ascot Gold Cup winner Colour Vision finished back in 11th!! I suppose a mile may have been a bit on the quick side for him :)
What a line up, I know Newmarket maidens are usually the toughest out there but that one was just silly! Frankel is a legend. Nathaniel was a great horse too, time heals my wounds on this because I had Nathaniel that night at around 5’s and couldn’t see any way he could lose at Doncaster a few weeks later... he did...and I lost a fair whack!
Probably the greatest maiden race of the last 50yrs, Frankel highest rated horse since brigadier Gerard and Nathaniel winner of top races including the king George!!
I havent found Frankel's time results for hist last 4 furlong and last 2 furlong etc. I really appreciate if someone explains how the ground(grass) was during all his all races? Im asking because our best horse (SABIRLI - His Sire is Strike The Gold) could manage to cover last 800 meters (4 furlongs = 804m) in 45.04 seconds in his best and mostly in between 45.3 s - 46.50s and he had beaten many GR1 horses in Turkey in international races in between 2005-2007 (Godolphins horses etc). He manages to finish 1600m once in 1.33.70 (8 meter less than a mile to your equivalent 1M races) and many times between 1:34.60 s and 1:36:70. Im not saying he could %100 beat Frankel if they had lived same times and had met (2005-2007 best years) but I bet he would be a very tough opponent to race neck to neck against Frankel. WHY UK RACE RECORDS DON'T SHOW LAST 2 AND 4 FURLONG TIMES? I found times of all reasults of Secretariat and I can say he was very very exceptional champion horse. I cant imagine your Frankel's and our SABIRLI (means patient) finishing 1 1/2 mile in same tempo like secreteriat did. So how the ground softness are measured in UK? In TR for example they say (normal is 3.3, a bit soft 3.4- 3.5 and very soft (sinking) 4.0-4.9). So I cant compare the results because its obviously ground and tempo must be different!. Ok at last I found the last furlong results: www.turftrax.co.uk/The%20Juddmonte%20International%20Stakes.html here. 11.08 - 11.15s - 11.62 s and 12.38s totaly makes 45.23s last 4 furlong! amazing.. So I got my answer :) our best could maybe beat him once in 5 races or maybe 4.. thats it not more!
I'm trying to trace a racehorse who has sadly passed away early this year. I only know of one race he ever ran out of the 31 he ran and it was at Newmarket in August 1999. does anyone know where I might be able to find the video of this race or races that took place then?
***** Go to www.racingpost.com/ www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_home.sd?horse_id=506954#topHorseTabs=horse_race_record&bottomHorseTabs=horse_formand just type his name into the search engine, It lists all the races he ran in, As he was running in 1999 their video vault of races doesn't go back that far. Unfortunately as he was only rated 75 you're unlikely to find any races on youtube either, but it does name all of his races so you might be able to do a manual search using the full race name.
@tobougg What the hell are u talking about man! Frankel put pay to everything put in front of him, beat cirrus des aigles at a canter and cda was rated 2nd best horse in the world! And this was a really strong maiden wih the likes of colour vision (future gold cup winner) and nathanial(multiple group 1 winner) trailing in his wake, maiden of a lifetime, what was special about Frankel was he was never ground dependant and his ability to kick on and maintain such a high speed was very special.
lol nathaniel (multiple group1 winner), st nicholas abbey (breeders cup turf and multiple G1 winner), Cirrus des aigles (dubai classic an multiple G1), Excellebration( multi G1), farhhh soon to be.... Made Canford cliffs look like Audley harrison coming into the race it won 5 G1s on the bounce. Sounds overrated to me aswell mate (hater)
Why they didnt run him gradually increasing the distance like 1 + 1/4 miles then 12f ? could have been better to see him in longer distances like nijinsky
Frankel has as near perfect conformation for a racehorse as you can get. The "heaviness" is his depth of girth suggests a huge lung capacity. That's why he was brilliant.
The form book? Frankels form was bullet proof,beat more group 1 winners than Sea the Stars,also,Frankel would have murdered Rip Van Winkel and MasterCraftsman,at 1 mile STS wouldnt have got within 4 lengths of Frankel,neither at 1 1/4 miles,only at 1 1/2 miles would he maybe have stood a chance.
"there isnt a lot left, or is there" if only we knew back then how much was left
lol so true.
What a class act! Pulled hard early, in ground which he hated and he still won against what turned out to be an excellent maiden! Greatest horse I have certainly seen between a mile and a mile 1/4
Eh? 'Hate' is very strong. He went very well with cut in the ground. His first and last races of his career were on soft, and he had excuses both times for not appearing to be at his best, or for not winning by the length of the track.
The way he came between horses there....you knew there was class
Remember this night so well. Heard good things about Frankel but to think the finish would have been fought out by subsequent King George and Eclipse winner Nathaniel and possibly one of the all time greats Frankel is incredible. And don't forget in second last is subsequent Ascot Gold Cup winner Colour Vision while the third has also won at Listed level and is rated over 100.
I had the pleasure of seeing Frankel (the freak) in the 2000 guinees it looked amazing on tv but seeing it live was incredible, and yes I was on £120 won ,thankyou
Frankel won that despite the ground and seeing how good Nathaniel was with that ground it shows just how much class Frankel had
Who would have predicted that this horse would become a wonder horse of the 21st century
the best thing about this maiden is that Ascot Gold Cup winner Colour Vision finished back in 11th!! I suppose a mile may have been a bit on the quick side for him :)
What a line up, I know Newmarket maidens are usually the toughest out there but that one was just silly!
Frankel is a legend. Nathaniel was a great horse too, time heals my wounds on this because I had Nathaniel that night at around 5’s and couldn’t see any way he could lose at Doncaster a few weeks later... he did...and I lost a fair whack!
Probably the greatest maiden race of the last 50yrs, Frankel highest rated horse since brigadier Gerard and Nathaniel winner of top races including the king George!!
start of a beast
Mr. Thompson. If they are off they are racing tautology at least 99.9 % of the time. But your voice is clear.
The BEST maiden stakes ever
Nathaniel Dortmund Color Vision, what a maiden race this was by the way.
Tommo "there's not a lot left or is there"
They thot Nathaniel was a cert first time out all the connections an trainers fancy’d it so much
GBerets83, it goes with the territory. I'm interested in your opinion.
frankel was green that day, didnt know what to actually do believe it or not.
Wow, to think 2 horses of this calibre met in a maiden.
Best flat horse of my lifetime.
correct never see another
Ever
Best ever is correct
@@mattrogers6487 never see another Frankel
That 2000 Guineas.never seen such speed and acceleration.get emotional every time i watch it
Frankel won this maiden, but did he ever race in Meydan? (sorry just a pun)
I havent found Frankel's time results for hist last 4 furlong and last 2 furlong etc. I really appreciate if someone explains how the ground(grass) was during all his all races? Im asking because our best horse (SABIRLI - His Sire is Strike The Gold) could manage to cover last 800 meters (4 furlongs = 804m) in 45.04 seconds in his best and mostly in between 45.3 s - 46.50s and he had beaten many GR1 horses in Turkey in international races in between 2005-2007 (Godolphins horses etc). He manages to finish 1600m once in 1.33.70 (8 meter less than a mile to your equivalent 1M races) and many times between 1:34.60 s and 1:36:70. Im not saying he could %100 beat Frankel if they had lived same times and had met (2005-2007 best years) but I bet he would be a very tough opponent to race neck to neck against Frankel. WHY UK RACE RECORDS DON'T SHOW LAST 2 AND 4 FURLONG TIMES? I found times of all reasults of Secretariat and I can say he was very very exceptional champion horse. I cant imagine your Frankel's and our SABIRLI (means patient) finishing 1 1/2 mile in same tempo like secreteriat did. So how the ground softness are measured in UK? In TR for example they say (normal is 3.3, a bit soft 3.4- 3.5 and very soft (sinking) 4.0-4.9). So I cant compare the results because its obviously ground and tempo must be different!. Ok at last I found the last furlong results: www.turftrax.co.uk/The%20Juddmonte%20International%20Stakes.html here. 11.08 - 11.15s - 11.62 s and 12.38s totaly makes 45.23s last 4 furlong! amazing.. So I got my answer :) our best could maybe beat him once in 5 races or maybe 4.. thats it not more!
I'm trying to trace a racehorse who has sadly passed away early this year. I only know of one race he ever ran out of the 31 he ran and it was at Newmarket in August 1999. does anyone know where I might be able to find the video of this race or races that took place then?
Also I've checked racing uk but nothing came up.
His name was Muffin Man and he would have been 3yrs old then.
***** Go to www.racingpost.com/
www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_home.sd?horse_id=506954#topHorseTabs=horse_race_record&bottomHorseTabs=horse_formand just type his name into the search engine, It lists all the races he ran in, As he was running in 1999 their video vault of races doesn't go back that far. Unfortunately as he was only rated 75 you're unlikely to find any races on youtube either, but it does name all of his races so you might be able to do a manual search using the full race name.
What about Colour Vision ..the gold cup winner
Frankel's coming away, or is he? Derek Thompson. LOL
"wins nicely in the end" this is my favourite race commentary ever
Dark terry spargo from AUS is the best
Dark Aye, he does all the big races, his voice just resonates with me for some reason
Liam Smith he doesn't do meydan and he doesn't do any big races
Terry Spargo does, which is who we are on about, Tommo did UAE for a few years back in 2000
Frankel won a shade cosily.
Shit how good a maiden was this.
too right. it takes a bell end to know a bell end
Still won on a tight rein wonder horse
@tobougg
What the hell are u talking about man! Frankel put pay to everything put in front of him, beat cirrus des aigles at a canter and cda was rated 2nd best horse in the world!
And this was a really strong maiden wih the likes of colour vision (future gold cup winner) and nathanial(multiple group 1 winner) trailing in his wake, maiden of a lifetime, what was special about Frankel was he was never ground dependant and his ability to kick on and maintain such a high speed was very special.
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lol nathaniel (multiple group1 winner), st nicholas abbey (breeders cup turf and multiple G1 winner), Cirrus des aigles (dubai classic an multiple G1), Excellebration( multi G1), farhhh soon to be.... Made Canford cliffs look like Audley harrison coming into the race it won 5 G1s on the bounce. Sounds overrated to me aswell mate (hater)
Fatpiecee what a line about Canford cliffs lol smashing horse it was too
Why they didnt run him gradually increasing the distance like 1 + 1/4 miles then 12f ? could have been better to see him in longer distances like nijinsky
I remember watching this in the bookies and thinking to myself,this is gona be the greatest racehorse of all time,turns out that I was right.
Of course you did...haha
He looks very heavy.
Frankel has as near perfect conformation for a racehorse as you can get. The "heaviness" is his depth of girth suggests a huge lung capacity. That's why he was brilliant.
O.co men..be.honest.guys.why oll.yuors.not.said
The.truth.and.said.yuors m never.see.horse.like
This.and.yuors.live
Pretty much the same class horses he raced throughout his career
Yes, most later became champions, and Frankel was the champion of champions.
high chaparral Falbrav Dalakhani Hawk wing , it's like a who's who of horse racing u saying frankel is better than every one of those???
Yes
Only poms mate,uk 3yo champion yeh but thats it
Remember how much they overrated George Washington with all that stupid gorgeous talk?
This horse was'nt better than SEA THE STARS
why?
The form book speaks for itself, thats why.
The form book? Frankels form was bullet proof,beat more group 1 winners than Sea the Stars,also,Frankel would have murdered Rip Van Winkel and MasterCraftsman,at 1 mile STS wouldnt have got within 4 lengths of Frankel,neither at 1 1/4 miles,only at 1 1/2 miles would he maybe have stood a chance.
SugarRay1985 Agree. loved STS,but Frankel was on a totally different level.
maybe over 1m 4f it wud have been a different story but over 1m 1m2f frankel was just immense