I think the Snell/Montgomery situation will cause agents to change how they approach the offseason. The expected stats for both of them were much worse than their end-of-the-year numbers last season. As much as people like to talk about “collusion” or whatever, I think that was the main reason those guys were waiting around so long. They wanted to be paid like top-5 pitchers in the league when the numbers just didn’t show that being the case.
Regarding Justyn-Henry Malloy, I actually learned a while ago he grew up in the same town/borough I did, though he did not attend the local HS like me. On top of that, I had been unknowingly following his GF on one of my IG accounts. Huge congrats to him on making it to the show and starting it in one of the best ways possible. I wish him nothing but the best in his big league career.
I wouldn't say the White Sox couldn't possibly push this streak further. People forget that only three years ago Baltimore lost 19 in a row in their 110 loss season. These White Sox look a lot worse and are definitely more demoralized than the 2021 Orioles.
That Shaq story is absolutely hilarious. Also I can get behind the phillies not being better than the dodgers, but they are 100% better than the braves so far this season, injuries and all
Kind of like how there is a deadline in soccer to sign players before the Summer transfer window closes, I feel like there should be something similar, but I think that it should end March 1st. At minimum, it gives the players 4 months (from end of World Series) to weigh the contract offers they have, and to pick one. For those players who are on non-postseason teams, or who exited in the WCS or DS, it gives them even more time. Pitchers and catchers have to report around Valentine’s Day, so I think March 1st is perfect to set a, must sign with a team before this date kind of thing. It helps both the team and player. The team will know what they have going into the first game of the season, and the player will be able to train at a high level, and get ready and fit for when the season starts
I teared up watching my youngest kid’s 1st HS HR, 1st D1 hit and again for his 1st D1 HR. A HR in The Show? I’m ugly crying with a HD camera on my mug. I LOVE watching family reactions!
People can blame spring training all they want, and whine about analytics nerds all they want. But the analytics clearly predicted pretty severe regression for both Snell and Montgomery... maybe not to THIS extent but acting like it's just spring training is ridiculous. Snell had absurdly unsustainable babip and Montgomery just flat out had mediocre peripherals across the board.
No offense to Trevor, and I know ballplayers work their asses off. Most of us fans have zero pity for Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery. Both turned down substantially larger offers in the greedy hopes of finding one idiot owner who would meet Scott Boras' demands. It works a lot of the time. It didn't in these instances. Both these people will still see exponentially more money this year than most hard-working people will see in their lifetimes. The amount of money floating around and the COST TO FANS/VIEWERS does take some degree of fun out of the game.
Jerry Reinsdorf is probably one of the luckiest owners in the history of sports. Got lucky with MJ and the 05 white Sox. Other than that he’s been one of the worst owners in baseball/basketball history.
Don’t tell me to relax Plouffe lol I love you picked the Phils for the WS but at this point… it’s time to start trying to “measure the mojo” in your words. I’m in London currently for the series, and this place looks like a home game. Believe sir , be a Phan…
Another wrinkle, the players value goes down the more Spring Training he misses. Apparently at least? Sure they could turn it around but the time they sucked counts too.
Snell is a mediocre pitcher at best. Take away the only good year he ever had, 2018 I believe, and he's not even .500 career. He averages just over 5 IP per start, and i mean JUST. How was he ever considered a top flight starter? I dont get it.
The Phillies dropped a series to the Giants, who proceeded to go on a six game losing streak. They are definitely great, but I agree that they aren't as separated from the pack as the record indicates.
Snell and Montgomery effed themselves over trying to rack up value but in the end they just sabotaged them in the season. Montgomery is more annoying since hes just a little bit above average and just cashed up on the world series moment. Most of these players have insane egos, like you’re not Ohtani. 🤷🏻♀️ And it’s embarrassing the response he has to his failures, players need to stop being so greedy.
Skenes is a little shit, you’re a rookie talking about Big on Big …okay you’re good but okay…its one at bat. These players no longer have any sense of humility or humbleness
How much can we blame the agent? We wouldn’t know the details as deep as them but who knows, maybe Snell and Monty wanted to play earlier and were convinced by Boras to hold out for more 🤷♂️
I don’t blame any player for trying to extract as much from their employer they believe they can. Wouldn’t you rather call the billionaire owners greedy for refusing to foster competitive rosters? That said, I believe these specific cases are examples of the players’ agent misunderstanding these players values in this market, and that’s what hurt the players the most.
@@zachmoney716 Who does the agent work for? Their client? Right? The clients, if smart, should have the rights to say “Hey, person that gets a share of my money, I don’t think this is correct/preferable for me.” Why does no one think players can be accountable for their actions anymore. Anyways, I do agree that Boras is messing up the market.
Oh cry me a river about how dozens of millions isn’t enough reward to sit on the il or post a 7 era. I must just not “understand” these things the way you, in your infinite wisdom, do. News flash, winning a cy young after years of crap doesn’t make you an ace, and similar story with Montgomery. There is a huge gap between snell and Corbin burnes. There was nothing to suggest last year was a turnaround for snell’s career, it was worse than his 18 year and it’s not like 18 was a sign of what came after. I know snell has crazy peak years, but his other years are so much worse that I would way rather have a guy that is consistently top 10 and even 20 over snell with his 2 awards and a bunch of shit years.
Neither the Phillies or Dodgers have played more that 10 teams over .500 No the strength of schedule conversation isnt over. They was both set up to succeed.
Someone should call the Phillies and Dodgers organizations and tell them to only play the AL the rest of the season so we can truly see who is the best lol.
They just swept a team that came in 36-23 with one of the best offenses in all of baseball and gave up 2 runs in 3 games plus an extra inning that included the Manfred Runner. Whether you want to claim strength of schedule or not is up to you, but their pitching is absolutely dominant. They aren’t going to struggle against teams better than .500 when their pitching will keep them in nearly every single game no matter who they play.
Who would have known that holding out and missing spring training would have consequences...
Stephen Drew knows.
Adding insult to injury, their contracts sucked on top of that
Haha teams were so afraid of them regressing, that they held off, so no spring training, and it became a self-fulfilling prophecy
JROD turning around 102.5 MPH from Miller to dead center was an elite moment yesterday. Third fastest pitch taken yard in the Statcast era.
Thanks for the comment, gotta check out the at-bat.
I think the Snell/Montgomery situation will cause agents to change how they approach the offseason. The expected stats for both of them were much worse than their end-of-the-year numbers last season. As much as people like to talk about “collusion” or whatever, I think that was the main reason those guys were waiting around so long. They wanted to be paid like top-5 pitchers in the league when the numbers just didn’t show that being the case.
It will change ever agent except the one that needs to change...he will still think it was a fluke situation that he could change.
Dunce Borat.
Rose's Shaq meeting! 😅 awesome!
I love Rosey's Shaq story 😂
Snell’s performance is honestly what we should’ve expected
Regarding Justyn-Henry Malloy, I actually learned a while ago he grew up in the same town/borough I did, though he did not attend the local HS like me. On top of that, I had been unknowingly following his GF on one of my IG accounts. Huge congrats to him on making it to the show and starting it in one of the best ways possible. I wish him nothing but the best in his big league career.
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I wouldn't say the White Sox couldn't possibly push this streak further. People forget that only three years ago Baltimore lost 19 in a row in their 110 loss season. These White Sox look a lot worse and are definitely more demoralized than the 2021 Orioles.
That Shaq story is absolutely hilarious. Also I can get behind the phillies not being better than the dodgers, but they are 100% better than the braves so far this season, injuries and all
It's insane that the White Sox can't draft better than 10th this year. Absolutely brutal for those fans.
There are just 3 hall of famers drafted #1 in the history of the draft. Slots are overrated in an MLB draft.
@@BeefPapasoon to be 4 with torkleson 😈😈
@@BeefPapa4, unless you don't acknowledge Harold Baines as a HOFer. Looks like there will be a few more soon. Harper and Cole, for example.
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Where can I buy shadyraycons?
Kind of like how there is a deadline in soccer to sign players before the Summer transfer window closes, I feel like there should be something similar, but I think that it should end March 1st. At minimum, it gives the players 4 months (from end of World Series) to weigh the contract offers they have, and to pick one. For those players who are on non-postseason teams, or who exited in the WCS or DS, it gives them even more time. Pitchers and catchers have to report around Valentine’s Day, so I think March 1st is perfect to set a, must sign with a team before this date kind of thing. It helps both the team and player. The team will know what they have going into the first game of the season, and the player will be able to train at a high level, and get ready and fit for when the season starts
That blocks those bubble guys from signing after injuries in spring training without annoyingly complex rules that will inevitability be worked around
I teared up watching my youngest kid’s 1st HS HR, 1st D1 hit and again for his 1st D1 HR. A HR in The Show? I’m ugly crying with a HD camera on my mug. I LOVE watching family reactions!
Snell really bailed out the yankees by turning down that stupid deal they offered him.
People can blame spring training all they want, and whine about analytics nerds all they want. But the analytics clearly predicted pretty severe regression for both Snell and Montgomery... maybe not to THIS extent but acting like it's just spring training is ridiculous. Snell had absurdly unsustainable babip and Montgomery just flat out had mediocre peripherals across the board.
Exactly why no one wanted them
Blake has been average at best every year of his career that isn't a contract year. It was obvious that he was going to suck
How do you guys see vlad jr batting behind devers in the Red Sox ?
No offense to Trevor, and I know ballplayers work their asses off.
Most of us fans have zero pity for Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery. Both turned down substantially larger offers in the greedy hopes of finding one idiot owner who would meet Scott Boras' demands.
It works a lot of the time. It didn't in these instances. Both these people will still see exponentially more money this year than most hard-working people will see in their lifetimes.
The amount of money floating around and the COST TO FANS/VIEWERS does take some degree of fun out of the game.
Jerry Reinsdorf is probably one of the luckiest owners in the history of sports. Got lucky with MJ and the 05 white Sox. Other than that he’s been one of the worst owners in baseball/basketball history.
Don’t tell me to relax Plouffe lol I love you picked the Phils for the WS but at this point… it’s time to start trying to “measure the mojo” in your words. I’m in London currently for the series, and this place looks like a home game. Believe sir , be a Phan…
Curious to why Rosey won't read the AI betting ad read. Is it a stance against betting? AI? neither and just wants to give TP some reads?
Scary thing that wasn't mentioned is Ohtani is as good a pitcher as Skenes. And Skenes is great.
How is it this podcast has a producer and intern yet this video cut in and out the whole time?
Trev, as a Phillies legend, we expect better from you.
Another wrinkle, the players value goes down the more Spring Training he misses. Apparently at least?
Sure they could turn it around but the time they sucked counts too.
Can Philly play with the target on their back in October. I think they can and it seems like they have the juice this year. We’ll see.
Snell is a mediocre pitcher at best. Take away the only good year he ever had, 2018 I believe, and he's not even .500 career. He averages just over 5 IP per start, and i mean JUST. How was he ever considered a top flight starter? I dont get it.
It looks like yall are lagging is that just for me ?
Not sure if its Rosie or the producer that broadcasts this...but yall need to upgrade your internet speeds.
Plouffe did this episode on hotel wifi, so I wouldn't use this as a watermark.
Why would they care, they got their money so what other incentive is there? Its not winning as you left the WS winning team???
Robby Ray doesn’t help the case
The Phillies dropped a series to the Giants, who proceeded to go on a six game losing streak. They are definitely great, but I agree that they aren't as separated from the pack as the record indicates.
The Phillies never win in SF or Colorado. Historically they just absolutely suck there. I don’t think it’s indicative of anything.
jordan montgomery might just stink baseball savant has always thought so
No way the pros of doing this show live outweigh the cons
Huh?
Snell and Montgomery effed themselves over trying to rack up value but in the end they just sabotaged them in the season. Montgomery is more annoying since hes just a little bit above average and just cashed up on the world series moment. Most of these players have insane egos, like you’re not Ohtani. 🤷🏻♀️ And it’s embarrassing the response he has to his failures, players need to stop being so greedy.
Skenes is a little shit, you’re a rookie talking about Big on Big …okay you’re good but okay…its one at bat. These players no longer have any sense of humility or humbleness
So you don't get all the money you can from your employer then right? You know ..to not be too greedy?
How much can we blame the agent? We wouldn’t know the details as deep as them but who knows, maybe Snell and Monty wanted to play earlier and were convinced by Boras to hold out for more 🤷♂️
I don’t blame any player for trying to extract as much from their employer they believe they can. Wouldn’t you rather call the billionaire owners greedy for refusing to foster competitive rosters? That said, I believe these specific cases are examples of the players’ agent misunderstanding these players values in this market, and that’s what hurt the players the most.
@@zachmoney716 Who does the agent work for? Their client? Right? The clients, if smart, should have the rights to say “Hey, person that gets a share of my money, I don’t think this is correct/preferable for me.” Why does no one think players can be accountable for their actions anymore. Anyways, I do agree that Boras is messing up the market.
Gtfo with the constant phillies hate lol we are definitely better then the braves
Boo hoo cry me a river. Sign on time and be at spring training!! Scott boras sucks for baseball but he's great for his clients
BRAVES WILL STILL AND AGAIN WIN THE DIVISION!!!!!
Trev picked the phils to win the series he’s juss bring real n I’m from philly n have no problem only thing is our bullpen is nasty
Oh cry me a river about how dozens of millions isn’t enough reward to sit on the il or post a 7 era. I must just not “understand” these things the way you, in your infinite wisdom, do.
News flash, winning a cy young after years of crap doesn’t make you an ace, and similar story with Montgomery. There is a huge gap between snell and Corbin burnes. There was nothing to suggest last year was a turnaround for snell’s career, it was worse than his 18 year and it’s not like 18 was a sign of what came after.
I know snell has crazy peak years, but his other years are so much worse that I would way rather have a guy that is consistently top 10 and even 20 over snell with his 2 awards and a bunch of shit years.
Neither the Phillies or Dodgers have played more that 10 teams over .500 No the strength of schedule conversation isnt over. They was both set up to succeed.
Currently 20 of the 30 teams are .500 and under so that is accurate. There are only 10 teams over .500 that they can play
Conspiracy theorist alert!
Someone should call the Phillies and Dodgers organizations and tell them to only play the AL the rest of the season so we can truly see who is the best lol.
They just swept a team that came in 36-23 with one of the best offenses in all of baseball and gave up 2 runs in 3 games plus an extra inning that included the Manfred Runner. Whether you want to claim strength of schedule or not is up to you, but their pitching is absolutely dominant. They aren’t going to struggle against teams better than .500 when their pitching will keep them in nearly every single game no matter who they play.
@LarrySkylines Currently sure, but just 2 weeks ago there was 15 teams above .500
You guys have to stop doing these shows live. It’s just a buggy mess each week.