Everyone is doping....you cannot be around running and think the top athletes aren't with the way times have gone. + Why mention Farah/Radcliffe and not mention the raft of East Africans and the dominance . That's the reason everyone else is doping. Like LA said you don't go to a gunfight with a knife
Radcliffe and Haile G had inhalers for exercise induced asthma. I always found that loophole weird. Get one doctor to sign off on it and you get steroids for your lungs
@@AndrewL4me agree, that's a loophole many use. The prevalence of Asthma amongst the fittest people on the planet is an oddity 🤣. If it stopped at inhalers I wouldn't mind, but the chances of that being true are pretty much zero
@@colinm9168 yes Colin. That fact that they have to get an exemption form signed is a huge red flag. As someone who refused to even take Tylenol while running ( btw watch the elite runners at any major marathon pop these down 30 min before the race) it saddened me to be surrounded by cheaters in the sport. My last competitive race I ran 27:31 for 10k and missed out on the $1500 prize money(survival money) as I was beaten by a 2 time drug cheat who ran 27:20 at 35years old. I was botter and angry for a long time, but at least I look back and know I always did the right thing
I think that he was getting to the tail end of his career, ( a good career, but not outstanding) and realised that he only had a very short time left and decided to roll the dice.
great show - the hosts seem very knowledgable and explain things well but the editing could use work. the pausing and cutting of clips gives the show an odd bumpy cadence. think some help with the editing would greatly improve the flow of the show!
John feel free to email me wejo@letsrun.com or point out a timestamp about where you are talking about. This is primarily a podcast and there were places we paused and we cut out pauses over a few seconds on podcast and those transfer over to video but would like to know where you are talking about
I lived and trained in Kenya.. Eldoret is not a running hub.. also I trained with both of the brothers and my educational guess is... he paid these so-called Kenya hospital officials and they egged it on that they can help him but never actually gave him official documentation... haha now this cast a big shadow over Jake. On Eluid... my guess is NIKE PROJECT.
My guess is that New Zealand switched from LC-MS testing for EPO to the newer PAGE methods that are superior. Also, with more random testing an athlete will use up their allowed 2 missed tests per year. The ABP is confounded by moderate altitude and requires agreement of all 3 experts, so it has been overrated .
Top runners don't have a "home" country these days. They train and compete all over the world the year round. They all have the same opportunities and temptations to dope. Some will give in to this temptation, some will resist it. The unanswerable questions are how many give in and dope and of those that do cheat, what percentage get caught?
Let's hope it never gets as bad as cycling. It's farcical how demonized Lance Armstrong is considering this statistic: Of the cyclists who finished on the podium in the era in which Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France seven times (1999-2005), Fernando Escartín is the sole rider not to be implicated in a doping scandal.
The whole, He was outspoken against doping so I don't think he was doing it until later in his career, sounds exactly like the Lance Armstrong defenders.
You have to have your tongue firmly lodged in your cheek when you say this, right? UK athletes cheat as often or as seldom as athletes from any other country. International athletes train and compete all over the world. Many of our better athletes spend more time away from the UK that "at home". They have the same opportunities and temptations to cheat as everyone else!
Life time ban for any doping... coach, athlete, or doctor. End of story. Edit... this is a sad outcome when you really think about it. To this day, I can't wear anything Nike due to the creepy nature of the Nike Project/Alberto Salazar fall out. Like most fans/supporters of any sport, doping ruins why you enjoy the sport in a way that can spoil one's interest and intrigue in the sport. So sick of doping and cheating across the board. I fully get the attitude of people like Emma Coburn. The only thing is every country has this problem, not just Kenya.
Not wearing anything Nike due to the Nike Oregon project situation is a force. Nike has obviously been around a lot more than the Oregon project. Me, I own/wear Nike gear, and I don’t associate it with the Oregon project at all 🤣 but you do you!
@@LifeupNinjaTeam whereas I would normally agree with you that my broad statement can seem farcical, let me give you some context. In the black community where I find myself, Nike has been king among the faithful since before Michael Jordan. It started with track and field where we watched our heros our grand parents told us to emulate for success, wear Nike. Well, it goes to say when any part of Nike goes sour in a time when people like me our trying to address the plight of young black men. Don't you think when we go on long runs around our farm with these young men (18-25), we talk about the impact to them and their heuristics (how they learn), when they see Nike allow their shop to become sour. It's about the company you keep. If we are to hold young black men to the standard, drug free, and focused on your goals, then it matters the walking or running message they receive. Nike knows better than anyone what I'm saying. Some us us our looking for associations that don't take advantage of our loyalty and yet look past integrity. The running community is not the running industry. We have had integrity longer than Nike has been around it is them and perhaps some like yourself who should understand why symbolism matters in undeserved communities. Look at Dathans group at OAC, do they not feel right and like a breath of fresh air? Why do you think it matters to us, but not to you?
I hear you, I also don’t wear Nike or any major brands due to different reasons in regards to what the logos represents in connection to satanism. With that being said; You’re NAIVE. If you knew the entire truth of how many athletes are doing whatever it takes and how easy it is to pass a drug test, you’d never watch t&f again. Of course, consciously/subconsciously, you will deny deny deny, but the truth is still the truth; at the ‘elite’ level, there’s no such thing as “cheating.” You either do whatever it takes or you don’t make it on the headlines.
@@brokenrulerlabs you are so right about bans for doctors and coaches too. At the very least all athletes also coached by that coach should have to submit a monthly blood sample for the next 3 years. Any doctor involved should lose their license
No such thing as “cheating” in professional sport. These are terms little children use or severely naive super hero believers who haven’t done their due diligence or spoken to key insiders. In sport, you either do whatever it takes with what you got and what you can afford or you stay at home. He said it best, basically summarizing books upon books that have read loaded with information; doctors will ALWAYS be a head of the game; you’d either have to be really careless or piss off the wrong “people” to get busted. Believe it or not, there are many athletes “donating” to wada in order to maintain a good image. Technologically, wada can detect anything that’s abnormal in the body, but why bust 100% of all elite runners making teams when you can blackmail them to “donate.” In 2023 and ppl still don’t get it; money is the root of all evil.
With his knowledge about doping now, he might be able to help to show how a lot of the doping problems in Kenya are caused and help to get to the root of the problem. It might seem weird but for him now this is the only good he can do for the sport.
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Can you please let me know if you guys have done an episode on the Alberto Salazar controversy ? Thank you
Is that a joke? They can’t go an episode without talking about Salazar lol
Everyone is doping....you cannot be around running and think the top athletes aren't with the way times have gone.
+ Why mention Farah/Radcliffe and not mention the raft of East Africans and the dominance . That's the reason everyone else is doping. Like LA said you don't go to a gunfight with a knife
you know it.
Radcliffe and Haile G had inhalers for exercise induced asthma. I always found that loophole weird. Get one doctor to sign off on it and you get steroids for your lungs
@@AndrewL4me agree, that's a loophole many use. The prevalence of Asthma amongst the fittest people on the planet is an oddity 🤣. If it stopped at inhalers I wouldn't mind, but the chances of that being true are pretty much zero
@@colinm9168 yes Colin. That fact that they have to get an exemption form signed is a huge red flag.
As someone who refused to even take Tylenol while running ( btw watch the elite runners at any major marathon pop these down 30 min before the race) it saddened me to be surrounded by cheaters in the sport. My last competitive race I ran 27:31 for 10k and missed out on the $1500 prize money(survival money) as I was beaten by a 2 time drug cheat who ran 27:20 at 35years old.
I was botter and angry for a long time, but at least I look back and know I always did the right thing
I think that he was getting to the tail end of his career, ( a good career, but not outstanding) and realised that he only had a very short time left and decided to roll the dice.
oh, he crapped out
great show - the hosts seem very knowledgable and explain things well but the editing could use work. the pausing and cutting of clips gives the show an odd bumpy cadence. think some help with the editing would greatly improve the flow of the show!
John feel free to email me wejo@letsrun.com or point out a timestamp about where you are talking about. This is primarily a podcast and there were places we paused and we cut out pauses over a few seconds on podcast and those transfer over to video but would like to know where you are talking about
No one is winning elite races without the sauce
They should go back to 50% limit on hematocrit, and however a guy gets to 49.9% is his own business. Realistic.
I lived and trained in Kenya.. Eldoret is not a running hub.. also I trained with both of the brothers and my educational guess is... he paid these so-called Kenya hospital officials and they egged it on that they can help him but never actually gave him official documentation... haha now this cast a big shadow over Jake. On Eluid... my guess is NIKE PROJECT.
My guess is that New Zealand switched from LC-MS testing for EPO to the newer PAGE methods that are superior. Also, with more random testing an athlete will use up their allowed 2 missed tests per year. The ABP is confounded by moderate altitude and requires agreement of all 3 experts, so it has been overrated .
61 Kenyan athletes currently serving doping suspension. I don’t trust any athletes training or representing that country.
Not only Iten and Eldoret!
Am living in Kaptagat and u hava NN running team here and Dr Rosa nike Elite gang here too 😊 and lots of good juice 😂
Zane visited EPOstein Island.
Top runners don't have a "home" country these days. They train and compete all over the world the year round. They all have the same opportunities and temptations to dope. Some will give in to this temptation, some will resist it. The unanswerable questions are how many give in and dope and of those that do cheat, what percentage get caught?
Let's hope it never gets as bad as cycling. It's farcical how demonized Lance Armstrong is considering this statistic:
Of the cyclists who finished on the podium in the era in which Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France seven times (1999-2005), Fernando Escartín is the sole rider not to be implicated in a doping scandal.
The whole, He was outspoken against doping so I don't think he was doing it until later in his career, sounds exactly like the Lance Armstrong defenders.
Glad no UK athletes do this BS
You have to have your tongue firmly lodged in your cheek when you say this, right?
UK athletes cheat as often or as seldom as athletes from any other country. International athletes train and compete all over the world. Many of our better athletes spend more time away from the UK that "at home". They have the same opportunities and temptations to cheat as everyone else!
Great troll 🤣
Life time ban for any doping... coach, athlete, or doctor. End of story. Edit... this is a sad outcome when you really think about it. To this day, I can't wear anything Nike due to the creepy nature of the Nike Project/Alberto Salazar fall out. Like most fans/supporters of any sport, doping ruins why you enjoy the sport in a way that can spoil one's interest and intrigue in the sport. So sick of doping and cheating across the board. I fully get the attitude of people like Emma Coburn. The only thing is every country has this problem, not just Kenya.
Not wearing anything Nike due to the Nike Oregon project situation is a force. Nike has obviously been around a lot more than the Oregon project. Me, I own/wear Nike gear, and I don’t associate it with the Oregon project at all 🤣 but you do you!
@@LifeupNinjaTeam whereas I would normally agree with you that my broad statement can seem farcical, let me give you some context. In the black community where I find myself, Nike has been king among the faithful since before Michael Jordan. It started with track and field where we watched our heros our grand parents told us to emulate for success, wear Nike. Well, it goes to say when any part of Nike goes sour in a time when people like me our trying to address the plight of young black men. Don't you think when we go on long runs around our farm with these young men (18-25), we talk about the impact to them and their heuristics (how they learn), when they see Nike allow their shop to become sour. It's about the company you keep. If we are to hold young black men to the standard, drug free, and focused on your goals, then it matters the walking or running message they receive. Nike knows better than anyone what I'm saying. Some us us our looking for associations that don't take advantage of our loyalty and yet look past integrity. The running community is not the running industry. We have had integrity longer than Nike has been around it is them and perhaps some like yourself who should understand why symbolism matters in undeserved communities. Look at Dathans group at OAC, do they not feel right and like a breath of fresh air? Why do you think it matters to us, but not to you?
I hear you, I also don’t wear Nike or any major brands due to different reasons in regards to what the logos represents in connection to satanism. With that being said; You’re NAIVE. If you knew the entire truth of how many athletes are doing whatever it takes and how easy it is to pass a drug test, you’d never watch t&f again. Of course, consciously/subconsciously, you will deny deny deny, but the truth is still the truth; at the ‘elite’ level, there’s no such thing as “cheating.” You either do whatever it takes or you don’t make it on the headlines.
@@brokenrulerlabs you are so right about bans for doctors and coaches too. At the very least all athletes also coached by that coach should have to submit a monthly blood sample for the next 3 years.
Any doctor involved should lose their license
Oops! 🤦♂️
No such thing as “cheating” in professional sport. These are terms little children use or severely naive super hero believers who haven’t done their due diligence or spoken to key insiders. In sport, you either do whatever it takes with what you got and what you can afford or you stay at home. He said it best, basically summarizing books upon books that have read loaded with information; doctors will ALWAYS be a head of the game; you’d either have to be really careless or piss off the wrong “people” to get busted. Believe it or not, there are many athletes “donating” to wada in order to maintain a good image. Technologically, wada can detect anything that’s abnormal in the body, but why bust 100% of all elite runners making teams when you can blackmail them to “donate.” In 2023 and ppl still don’t get it; money is the root of all evil.
Nice essay. No ones reading that shit
I read it. Very sensible assessment
With his knowledge about doping now, he might be able to help to show how a lot of the doping problems in Kenya are caused and help to get to the root of the problem. It might seem weird but for him now this is the only good he can do for the sport.
The root of the problem is as long as there is a lot of money for sport in running of professional sports there will be cheating
This show lol