Really glad you mentioned not needing to look a certain way. I'm goth because of the music, not what I'm wearing (which is inappropriate for my accounting office job)
Of course, not everyone can or even wants to wear certain things. No two people are exactly alike. What’s your favorite “goth” band or artist right now?
Baby Bat here! I'm a metal head at heart and have always loved the alternative look since I was a kid. I cared too much abkut what people thought of me sp i never shared it with anyone. Im 24 now, and thanks to my little sibling who gives ZERO fucks and rocks the punk/goth look. I've always loved New Wave /Dark Wave and Industrial, but I didn't know it was part of the goth culture. It has been so fun to finally just be myself and go all out for shows, and go to goth clubs! I finally allowed myself to just be okay with this form of self-expression especially with my love for metal and now more goth music. ❤
I love that for you, finally letting go and feeling connected to your true self and what you really like is intoxicating. What has your experience at goth clubs been like?
You rock that black trenchcoat! I think it's fun to put a gothic twist on a style that isn't usually associated with goth culture, like sportswear for example. Keeps people on their toes :D
hi! your video is very good and almost everything is correct BUT I would like to comment on two little things: 1- emo did not come from goth, it was born from the hardcore scene in 80s, both subcultures developed individually and it was in the 00s that emos took many elements from goth fashion and punk fashion and created their own style. The belief that emo came from goth is long held but simply not correct, it came from punk! to put it simply. 2- Marilyn Manson is NOT goth by any means. I understand that you put it as an example of the alternative scene and about how people perceived (and still perceive) alternative people in a negative and prejudiced way, but we goths don't want to be related to manson for many reasons... but the example works. besides that i would say that your video is very good! for me everything else is right and as a goth i appreciate that :)
I’m glad you liked most of the video, and yeah by no way did I think I got everything 100% accurately. Hope you stick around the channel to see the improvements with each new video, I’m learning a lot more already just from all of the feedback!
Thank you for mentioning DIY. That's a huge part of it and I get annoyed by the new consumerism "goths" who try to shame others for not having name brands. Reminds me of Spirit Halloween generic costumes when self-made ones are always better. Yes, I will gate keep this aspect of goth.
I have more fashion look book type things and DYI vids planned! Also for style inspiration you can follow my instagram @barnabats to see some of my favorite full outfits
A nice video, very informative one, i haven't though about this theme for a while, when i was a teen i really wanna express myself in a similar way, though i find some subculture aesthetic way too unpractical, and at the place i have grown up it wasn't safe to be different, especially at that range, so I've wear black and prefer classical outfit.
I think wearing black and darker colors of more common and basic pieces can sill be a very nice look and shows a bit more of who you are to people at first glance. Absolutely not a bad thing to stick to classical looks.
I like goth music but I'm not that much into dressing specially all black, I don't like looking too different either, just little bit. I like mixing with vintage styles and modern too. l like old metal music too.
I was a goth in the early 80's ,Goth was a fashion made by the teens for the teens back in the days. We used to hang around charity shop and discount one to get the cheapest black stuff and make something out of it from our own creation. Goth is now nothing than a fashion for Posh boys and girls bored to death with their cushy life and do not know what to do with it. Sadly it has become another free movement picked up by the fashion industry at a rip off price for the rich kids. There is no originality just conformism, which was what we were against .
The brands that do that are the exact ones that target these “posh boys” and “cushy girls” you’re talking about. I’m sure it’s annoying but the Goth subculture and its roots did affect fashion,music, and way more to this day. It’s interesting to see where it originated
@@barnabats At the time the term Goth was not employed in London for a while , we used to be Alternative although the term already existed in the north on England.What was supposed to be fun has became a cult of the vampires,cult of the deads,cult of the black magic...A big non sense.
Kids really don't understand what goth is? And emo is somehow confused with it? Here's everything you need to know: emo people cry and are fragile. They shop at hot topic for my chemical romance shirts and safety puns and razors and anything edgy. Goth people understand things are depressing, and they aren't saddened by it. They wear more black and white formal attire or well aged black shirts like dude has on here. The biggest thing to tip you off is hairspray. Hairspray is emo. If you see hairspray, 99.999% of the time you see an emo. If you see glue, natural, or pomade, you're likely looking at a Goth. Beware tho, pomade can be steam punk. If you see copper on them, it's steam punk. Emos think nightmare before Christmas came out in the 2000s or 2010s. Older goths don't give a shit about that movie. Younger goths mistake it for Goth material when it's really just a Disney musical movie from the 90s that was rebranded as a Tim Burton film Do you smell clove cigarettes? That's a Goth, a pseudo Goth, a hippie, or a hipster. The pseudo Goth wears greys and browns and has bad hygiene, but shares the same lack of care for depressing subjects. Goths make great boyfriends and girlfriends if you are mature. Emos are good for drunks and vapid youths. Emos over 30 are good for... nothing really. Shiny latex? That's cybergoth/industrial/rave goths. They have good drugs. Red is occasionally acceptable, such as for the lining of a coat, a tie, leather gloves, bootlaces, or occasionally part or most of a dress. Goths never wear pink or baby blue. Pink is scene/raver/sardonic nihlism
Watching your video, as I left all of that when I paused after you said something about emo in the first moments, I didn't mean to make a dig on your nightmare before Xmas art behind you, I understand it's an aesthetic that took hold. The people on the Phil Donahue show that were well spoken were the band members of Marylin Manson. They were really leaning into shock and industrial as a performance, with a penchant for trying to be a critique of modern values in decay. They really were just fun industrial music like nine inch nails, but both took themselves too seriously and became posers/sell outs after a while. Music like Depeche mode, cradle of filth, mesh, and the cure were standard Goth fare. In the 90s, Goth was pretty well accepted and not looked down on too often, aside from fundamental parents. When Kurt Cobain died, it led many in the grunge culture to go into mourning and adopt a Goth attitude and appearance that altered the culture away from punk, and into pseudo Goth or full Goth. Cobain already had a very melancholic attitude that lent itself to accepting Gothlike attitudes of seeing darker things as an important part of life while reminding them that the pop happy outlook is entirely too fleeting and not worth investing in. It moved a generation to see the darker side of life as more prevalent and authentic, and therefore more enjoyable. You encapsulate and describe the concept well. I'm glad you mentioned how it wasn't a depressing person, it's happy people who appreciate darker life. Well done.
Thank you so much, I even learned a bunch just from your 2 comments, I’m so glad you enjoyed my take on this one. I definitely see the Grunge turning to and coming from it as well after Kurt.
@@barnabats I subbed. Keep it up. I don't know anything about the brands you are reviewing, but I checked a couple of those videos out as well. I forgot how important the right boots used to be for me
a lot of emos arent that stupid. and emo isnt about being fragile and crying, its about confronting emotions loudly and to the extreme, about being vulnerable, loudly. Which doesnt have to mean to wallow in self pity, but rather face feelings that the world sometimes wants you to ignore or hide. if you still think thats being a pussy thats whatever but 2000's bangs mcr isnt the only type of emo out there. thats literally why the whole debate on real/fake emo exists. the emos you speak off are next to non existent nowadays, and closer to scene. emos today with the rise of the third wave are more close to indie folk/hipster/twee than anything. A lot of the fashion aspect of it has been lost, even if the 2000s emo is what we think off especially because of the impact it had on pop culture. THATS when it became mainstream. judging the whole emo subculture based on that is like judging the grunge genre only focusing on pre-ripped clothing store jeans. While a lot of emo music did end up being (and can be) really whiny and repetitive, the genre is so vast comparing bands is like apples and oranges; capn jazz or american football are nothing like saetia or orchid or mcr or pierce the veil or mom jeans or free throw or thursday or taking back sunday etc. the hairspray is very 2000s, but emo is older than that. flannel and normal worn out jeans are just as emo. you can be closer to indie, pop punk/alt pop, post hard core, screamo or metal depending on the artist. maybe a lot of emos were vapid druggies but other important band members are straight edge. like the vocalist of william bonney, midwest penpals and merchant ships. or bands like Frail and title fight. I myself love goth fashion, gothic literature(the BEST) and especially goth music but if you non ironically think you are somehow better than emos you are a foolish tribalist and are missing out on some more great music. Its like that south park clip where the goths kids are describing the differences between goth and emos and get confused themselves.
@panfilolivia it's not confusing, it's really easy. Emo is short for emotional. Whatever glorification is added to that is just a cope. Everyone is better than emo. Your description is called bipolar
Only a weak mind would allow their time and location on a dirty spinning space rock to determine anything about themselves. Being the product of your time is pathetic. Be timeless. Be who you would be if you were the only person left alive. Ignore the machine. Strong minds take what they like from any time period and mix and match and create something new. Victorian era, the 1200s, 1700s, the 20s flappers, the 80s, the 90s. If your immediate society considers anachronisms to be silly, or only certain anachronisms to be cool, it is weak to give a damn. If you like goth subculture then do it and do it your way regardless of whether it is popular right now. Doing something just cos it is popular in your time for your generation is wasting time not discovering what you can be truly passionate about. Not doing it cos it is not popular for your time and generation is just as bad. I feel like and dress like and listen to steampunk, dark cabaret, indie rock and darkwave combinations this week, and next week I may feel like something else. I don't care if fellow middle aged weirdos are doing the same as me right now or not. Set a free thinking example for young adults, don't tell them we are all a product of our time, that is the lie they are fed by mainstream society, it is said by weak minded people who tell themselves their ethical and philosophical and artistic conformity is OK because everyone else is a conformist too.
@@wh4teley @wh4teley Aww, I hit an Imitator's / Cosplayer's / Diluter of O U R Cultural Heritage / Culture Vulture's Nerve 🐶🤗 But, Go On Explain O U R Growing Up Cultures I L O V E hearing people's Takes who weren't there
Really glad you mentioned not needing to look a certain way. I'm goth because of the music, not what I'm wearing (which is inappropriate for my accounting office job)
Of course, not everyone can or even wants to wear certain things. No two people are exactly alike. What’s your favorite “goth” band or artist right now?
Baby Bat here! I'm a metal head at heart and have always loved the alternative look since I was a kid. I cared too much abkut what people thought of me sp i never shared it with anyone. Im 24 now, and thanks to my little sibling who gives ZERO fucks and rocks the punk/goth look. I've always loved New Wave /Dark Wave and Industrial, but I didn't know it was part of the goth culture. It has been so fun to finally just be myself and go all out for shows, and go to goth clubs! I finally allowed myself to just be okay with this form of self-expression especially with my love for metal and now more goth music. ❤
I love that for you, finally letting go and feeling connected to your true self and what you really like is intoxicating. What has your experience at goth clubs been like?
You rock that black trenchcoat! I think it's fun to put a gothic twist on a style that isn't usually associated with goth culture, like sportswear for example.
Keeps people on their toes :D
Gothic sportswear is such a cool idea that I’d love to see more
Great vid I hope your channel picks up lots of subs 💜 ( elder goth here )
Thank you for this. I find fashion hard and I want to express myself so these guides are so valuable. especially for male fashion.
I’m so glad you’re trying to branch out more, reach out to me on instagram and I can give you personal tips that might help more
@@barnabats I would greatly appreciate it. Same tag as on UA-cam?
Yep @barnabats
Came back since Halloween is around the corner
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hi! your video is very good and almost everything is correct BUT I would like to comment on two little things:
1- emo did not come from goth, it was born from the hardcore scene in 80s, both subcultures developed individually and it was in the 00s that emos took many elements from goth fashion and punk fashion and created their own style. The belief that emo came from goth is long held but simply not correct, it came from punk! to put it simply.
2- Marilyn Manson is NOT goth by any means. I understand that you put it as an example of the alternative scene and about how people perceived (and still perceive) alternative people in a negative and prejudiced way, but we goths don't want to be related to manson for many reasons... but the example works.
besides that i would say that your video is very good! for me everything else is right and as a goth i appreciate that :)
I’m glad you liked most of the video, and yeah by no way did I think I got everything 100% accurately. Hope you stick around the channel to see the improvements with each new video, I’m learning a lot more already just from all of the feedback!
also, sick ass hoodie
not a goth, but i really fk with the sentiments. Keep being you, good luck
I’m glad you do and thank you, I wish I still had that hoodie 💀
Thank you for mentioning DIY. That's a huge part of it and I get annoyed by the new consumerism "goths" who try to shame others for not having name brands. Reminds me of Spirit Halloween generic costumes when self-made ones are always better. Yes, I will gate keep this aspect of goth.
Can we see more fashion look books, DYI art, shopping videos, and hauls 🖤🖤🖤🖤🙏🏼
I have more fashion look book type things and DYI vids planned! Also for style inspiration you can follow my instagram @barnabats to see some of my favorite full outfits
Underrated videooo
So exciting to hear that, you have no idea
A nice video, very informative one, i haven't though about this theme for a while, when i was a teen i really wanna express myself in a similar way, though i find some subculture aesthetic way too unpractical, and at the place i have grown up it wasn't safe to be different, especially at that range, so I've wear black and prefer classical outfit.
I think wearing black and darker colors of more common and basic pieces can sill be a very nice look and shows a bit more of who you are to people at first glance. Absolutely not a bad thing to stick to classical looks.
You look so cool. Keep it up man!
I like goth music but I'm not that much into dressing specially all black, I don't like looking too different either, just little bit. I like mixing with vintage styles and modern too. l like old metal music too.
Never judge a book by its cover
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Wild!
I was hoping you’d aww this one!
goth patrick bateman is INSANE
I’m a bit confused
@@barnabats ogm sorry lol op had a patrick bateman profile picture but hes changed it
New video out now on Grunge Fashion! ua-cam.com/video/QsgZHHFEgmE/v-deo.htmlsi=PLn-gTVPFfzrTdBy
I was a goth in the early 80's ,Goth was a fashion made by the teens for the teens back in the days. We used to hang around charity shop and discount one to get the cheapest black stuff and make something out of it from our own creation. Goth is now nothing than a fashion for Posh boys and girls bored to death with their cushy life and do not know what to do with it. Sadly it has become another free movement picked up by the fashion industry at a rip off price for the rich kids. There is no originality just conformism, which was what we were against .
The brands that do that are the exact ones that target these “posh boys” and “cushy girls” you’re talking about. I’m sure it’s annoying but the Goth subculture and its roots did affect fashion,music, and way more to this day. It’s interesting to see where it originated
@@barnabats At the time the term Goth was not employed in London for a while , we used to be Alternative although the term already existed in the north on England.What was supposed to be fun has became a cult of the vampires,cult of the deads,cult of the black magic...A big non sense.
As long as you had your fun in your own way when you were younger, it is crazy how things can change so drastically overtime
Kids really don't understand what goth is? And emo is somehow confused with it? Here's everything you need to know: emo people cry and are fragile. They shop at hot topic for my chemical romance shirts and safety puns and razors and anything edgy. Goth people understand things are depressing, and they aren't saddened by it. They wear more black and white formal attire or well aged black shirts like dude has on here. The biggest thing to tip you off is hairspray. Hairspray is emo. If you see hairspray, 99.999% of the time you see an emo. If you see glue, natural, or pomade, you're likely looking at a Goth. Beware tho, pomade can be steam punk. If you see copper on them, it's steam punk. Emos think nightmare before Christmas came out in the 2000s or 2010s. Older goths don't give a shit about that movie. Younger goths mistake it for Goth material when it's really just a Disney musical movie from the 90s that was rebranded as a Tim Burton film
Do you smell clove cigarettes? That's a Goth, a pseudo Goth, a hippie, or a hipster. The pseudo Goth wears greys and browns and has bad hygiene, but shares the same lack of care for depressing subjects.
Goths make great boyfriends and girlfriends if you are mature. Emos are good for drunks and vapid youths. Emos over 30 are good for... nothing really.
Shiny latex? That's cybergoth/industrial/rave goths. They have good drugs.
Red is occasionally acceptable, such as for the lining of a coat, a tie, leather gloves, bootlaces, or occasionally part or most of a dress.
Goths never wear pink or baby blue. Pink is scene/raver/sardonic nihlism
Watching your video, as I left all of that when I paused after you said something about emo in the first moments, I didn't mean to make a dig on your nightmare before Xmas art behind you, I understand it's an aesthetic that took hold. The people on the Phil Donahue show that were well spoken were the band members of Marylin Manson. They were really leaning into shock and industrial as a performance, with a penchant for trying to be a critique of modern values in decay. They really were just fun industrial music like nine inch nails, but both took themselves too seriously and became posers/sell outs after a while. Music like Depeche mode, cradle of filth, mesh, and the cure were standard Goth fare.
In the 90s, Goth was pretty well accepted and not looked down on too often, aside from fundamental parents. When Kurt Cobain died, it led many in the grunge culture to go into mourning and adopt a Goth attitude and appearance that altered the culture away from punk, and into pseudo Goth or full Goth. Cobain already had a very melancholic attitude that lent itself to accepting Gothlike attitudes of seeing darker things as an important part of life while reminding them that the pop happy outlook is entirely too fleeting and not worth investing in. It moved a generation to see the darker side of life as more prevalent and authentic, and therefore more enjoyable.
You encapsulate and describe the concept well. I'm glad you mentioned how it wasn't a depressing person, it's happy people who appreciate darker life.
Well done.
Thank you so much, I even learned a bunch just from your 2 comments, I’m so glad you enjoyed my take on this one. I definitely see the Grunge turning to and coming from it as well after Kurt.
@@barnabats I subbed. Keep it up. I don't know anything about the brands you are reviewing, but I checked a couple of those videos out as well. I forgot how important the right boots used to be for me
a lot of emos arent that stupid. and emo isnt about being fragile and crying, its about confronting emotions loudly and to the extreme, about being vulnerable, loudly. Which doesnt have to mean to wallow in self pity, but rather face feelings that the world sometimes wants you to ignore or hide. if you still think thats being a pussy thats whatever but 2000's bangs mcr isnt the only type of emo out there. thats literally why the whole debate on real/fake emo exists.
the emos you speak off are next to non existent nowadays, and closer to scene. emos today with the rise of the third wave are more close to indie folk/hipster/twee than anything. A lot of the fashion aspect of it has been lost, even if the 2000s emo is what we think off especially because of the impact it had on pop culture. THATS when it became mainstream. judging the whole emo subculture based on that is like judging the grunge genre only focusing on pre-ripped clothing store jeans.
While a lot of emo music did end up being (and can be) really whiny and repetitive, the genre is so vast comparing bands is like apples and oranges; capn jazz or american football are nothing like saetia or orchid or mcr or pierce the veil or mom jeans or free throw or thursday or taking back sunday etc. the hairspray is very 2000s, but emo is older than that. flannel and normal worn out jeans are just as emo. you can be closer to indie, pop punk/alt pop, post hard core, screamo or metal depending on the artist.
maybe a lot of emos were vapid druggies but other important band members are straight edge. like the vocalist of william bonney, midwest penpals and merchant ships. or bands like Frail and title fight.
I myself love goth fashion, gothic literature(the BEST) and especially goth music but if you non ironically think you are somehow better than emos you are a foolish tribalist and are missing out on some more great music. Its like that south park clip where the goths kids are describing the differences between goth and emos and get confused themselves.
@panfilolivia it's not confusing, it's really easy. Emo is short for emotional. Whatever glorification is added to that is just a cope. Everyone is better than emo. Your description is called bipolar
omg 666 views
I should have screen shotted that
@@barnabats i did!
be honest bro. was this for class?
Do you think I got a good grade?
@@barnabats definitely 99/100
Based on the channel name I'd assume no, but its obviously possible
How we grew up
And your generation didn't
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Only a weak mind would allow their time and location on a dirty spinning space rock to determine anything about themselves. Being the product of your time is pathetic. Be timeless. Be who you would be if you were the only person left alive. Ignore the machine. Strong minds take what they like from any time period and mix and match and create something new. Victorian era, the 1200s, 1700s, the 20s flappers, the 80s, the 90s. If your immediate society considers anachronisms to be silly, or only certain anachronisms to be cool, it is weak to give a damn. If you like goth subculture then do it and do it your way regardless of whether it is popular right now. Doing something just cos it is popular in your time for your generation is wasting time not discovering what you can be truly passionate about. Not doing it cos it is not popular for your time and generation is just as bad. I feel like and dress like and listen to steampunk, dark cabaret, indie rock and darkwave combinations this week, and next week I may feel like something else. I don't care if fellow middle aged weirdos are doing the same as me right now or not. Set a free thinking example for young adults, don't tell them we are all a product of our time, that is the lie they are fed by mainstream society, it is said by weak minded people who tell themselves their ethical and philosophical and artistic conformity is OK because everyone else is a conformist too.
Talking shit on the internet is truly the mark of a fully actualized adult.
@@wh4teley @wh4teley Aww, I hit an Imitator's / Cosplayer's / Diluter of O U R Cultural Heritage / Culture Vulture's Nerve
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Explain O U R Growing Up Cultures
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@@Ritff666l-e9e Touch grass, bro.