Ralph Martin Responds to Bishop Barron on the Salvation of Non-Christians
Вставка
- Опубліковано 25 кві 2021
- Brothers and Sisters, because of the importance of the subject matter we thought we should share a special video message today. Bishop Robert Barron recently gave a sermon that has occasioned a lot of interest and some controversy. Fr. Mark Goring responded to some of what Bishop Barron said, but since part of what he said is an area that I have a deep concern about and also some expertise in, I thought I should offer some friendly comments. I hope you find them useful.
// Ralph Martin
Bishop Barron's video: • How to Get to Heaven -...
Father Mark Goring's video: • Response to Bishop Bar...
"Will Many Be Saved": www.renewalministries.net/sho...
"The Ugency of the New Evangelization": www.renewalministries.net/sho...
"A Church in Crisis": www.renewalministries.net/sho...
Free monthly newsletter: www.renewalministries.net/new...
Renewal Ministries is dedicated to fostering renewal and evangelization in the Catholic Church by helping people know the personal love of God in Jesus and grow in holiness. Stay connected with us to receive more compelling content that strives to help you walk more closely with the Lord!
Also, as censorship of social media becomes more prevalent, we invite you to join our email list in order to ensure that you continue receiving the latest and most important messages from us: www.renewalministries.net/signup
Visit our website: www.RenewalMinistries.net
Visit our Facebook page: / catholicrenewalministries
Make a donation: www.renewalministries.net/donate
I'm Catholic and I was appalled and saddened by some of Bishop Barron's remarks. Jesus is the only way to Heaven. As Christians we can pray for them, that God will bring those other religions closer to him, that they may be brought to Christ. The narrow road is the road to Christ. Only through Christ is there salvation.
Only thru Jesus we can be saved! It’s black and white !
"With all due respect"... Now he're someone who actually means that. I honestly sensed absolutely no attack on Bishop Barron. Dr. Martin is simply helping shed more light on what the Bishop said.
Well said indeed.
@@tomgreene2282 I agree.
No one comes to God but through Jesus
Hi, Mr. Martin, I am reading through your book Church in Crisis. I am not a Catholic yet but am member of Presbyterian denomination of Protestant church. My denomination is encountering a crisis in dealing with social justice issues and LGBTQ+ (from Revoice movement) issues. My denomination along with Catholic Church are under an assault from cultural Marxism. I am conservative and concern about corruption of theological terms and the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I am truly grateful for (and deeply humbled by) Ralph Martin and all like him who so generously share their vast knowledge of the Bible, the teachings of Jesus, the saints, and Catholic Church doctrine.
This is exactly what good and proper fraternal correction looks like. If only more in the church did this. We correct and guide and help each other along the way to salvation.
"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'"
- John 14:6
Absolute CLARITY with charity!!!
I LIKE THIS GUY. HE IS GENUINE.
I loved Bishop Barron's sermon. Thank you for further clarifying Dr Martin. Especially in a very concise, clear, and respectful way. May God bless you and Bishop Barron's ministries. Thanks for all you do.
“Only God knows.” To me, that was the most salient point of this talk, as it was of Bishop Barron’s. We can all get into a bluster over our assessment of the state someone else’s soul, but we’d all do well to remember that despite the treasure we have in the Church’s teachings, they don’t trump God’s will and judgment, which we will not know fully on earth.
What I really like about this video, other than the content, is that it's a 20 minute piece to camera, no edits, not cutaways to pictures or video. A human holding your attention on UA-cam by just talking about something interesting. No flashy stuff. A lost art it seems these days. Bravo.
No clickbait thumbnails either,they are the main indicator of trash content.
No one deceives God
Our consciences need to be formed and informed by the Gospel
Thank you this more clear. Some times I find Bishop Barron over intellectualizes. This loses me sometimes.
Any teaching that implies that we can back off from preaching the Gospel doesn't line up with Christ’s own words.
Thank you for this clarification, Ralph.
You are SO right, and I was tought that by the Nuns when I went to elementary school. I am 70 years old and I thank God I was born and raised Catholic!
God bless you 🙏💒🌈🌄
Thanks Dr.Martin for speaking with love and adding clarity to this important question. The door to salvation is narrow and Hell exists. Jesus is the only savior for the mankind. He is the truth way and life. Praise the Lord Alleluia Alleluia He is risen.
Thank you for your clarity & wisdom, Ralph Martin. God bless & keep you. Please pray for your viewers; we are struggling - with ourselves, our spouses, our children, grandchildren, & even our own siblings in some cases.
Thank you for this clarification. I love Bishop Barron but no one is perfect. You have provided both gentle and charitable correction done with true charity.
Mr. Martin, you are right on. You are a man of clarity and one who truly teaches truth. I will be supporting your ministry.
You speak with gentleness and charity. Be Blessed!
Well done!! And done so intelligently and respectfully. Only Bishop Barron can speak for Bishop Barron, but it would be my guess that he would agree with almost everything you said. His homily was short. It wasn’t intended is an intensive study of section 16 of Lumen Gentium.
Aleluia! Thank you, dr. Ralph Martin for your exceptionally upgraded explaination of Fr. Goring's response. Helps soooo much! Peace to you and blessings to all of Renewal Ministries!
Excellent teaching. Thank you Dr Ralph Martin for your clarity and charity. 👍🏻
“What saves us is our response to God’s grace.” Amen, and amen! Blessings to you good people. Keep your eyes on Jesus and guard your hearts. He will make everything clear through the Holy Spirit. Wear your armor everyday against the evil one. Eternal life is real and God wants us with Him, His Son, and the Holy Spirit, Mary, Joseph, and all the saints. Holds these things in your heart like Mary did and all will be well. 💗
Thank you Father, for an excellent talk. To be fair to Bishop Barron, I haven't heard his sermon yet, but the other aspect that is so often misunderstood is that of 'conscience'. So many people think it is simply a matter of "I think", or worse still, "I feel", in other words simply a subjective judgment of the emotions, whereas in fact -- as I was taught at least -- it is the "moral judgment of the intellect". In other words, it should be an attempt to first of all objectively evaluate the morality of an action and then -- only then -- apply this obective standard to ourselves and our own concrete situation and actions. I would love to hear you talk about this aspect of the problem as well.
How wonderfull to know that Catholic Church has a ministriy like yours to open the eyes of people to see their need to seek the Lord and His word much more each day for our salvation. God continue to bless you dear brother and also Peter Herbeck. Most Catholics don’t even realize this vital need to seek Our Lord and his word each day. XO. Annie Frankle
Very cool video. It is an illustration of how the "development of doctrine" or the teaching of the deposit of faith ought to work: one proposes a response to a question; another says "yes, but wait what about this?"; a third clarifies, corrects, admonishes and praises all involved for desiring to do God's will with thier own good will. All benefit from the exchange.
I was once told that Golf is hard. I can attest to the truth to that statement. It pales to the statement that Faith is hard. Nothing good in life is easy. Thank you Ralf Martin for your thoughtful faithful insights.
Thank you so much for this. I happened to find a Mass offered from St. Martha’s parish in New Jersey, where the priest added this exact topic in his homily. Almost exactly word for word what Bishop Barron said in his message. I’m so glad you responded in what is a very strong way with Charity. Jesus Himself is so clear on this topic. I pray for those who have knowledge of Christ, yet have chosen other religions. It is veiled Universalism - something I experienced specifically in the Episcopal church in the mid nineties. Please keep speaking Truth.
This is really nice thank you. Im a follower of Bishop Barron. I appreciate his UA-cam videos. However, I also appreciate how you have brought certain issues to light in a respectful manner. Thank you Sir.
I’m currently reading your book A Church in Crisis. I knew some of what has been going on within the church but you shed light on so much more! Save us oh Lord!!!
A simple way to say this is that there is an ordinary path to salvation, ie, the sacramental life of the Church, and there are extraordinary paths, all of which are through Christ only. It would be imprudent to count upon the extraordinary, so act as if there is only the ordinary, and leave the extraordinary to the Will, Discretion and Providence of God.
I had my doubt about Barron so I went to Lumen Gentium. I saw that he further liberalized it. But, I continue to read and listen on the subject. Thank you for this video.
Thank you for your comments. Souls are at risk. On these difficult topics, we are doing a disservice to all humanity if we are not clear of what the Church teaches. I love listening to Bishop Barron's sermons and I agree with your concern about people misinterpreting what he said. The Gospels are clear that not all will go to Heaven.... and Hell is real. There is no sugar coating this reality. Thank you for adding clarity to the sermon . God bless.
"The LORD expects people to want to know who He is and to sincerely seek Him"... Thank you Dr Ralph, thank you Jesus for revealing yourself to us, and to being so light, so easy and so available to all who seek!
Ralph as always you speak the truth bodly and with clarity. May God bless you and Fr Mark Goring. Two lights in a world of confusion.
Your insights deepened my understanfing. You fine tuned what Bishop Barron said and i apppreciate it very much. Thank you. My prayers to you and to the great Bishop.
St Michaels prayer in mass
Jesus warned us about our human nature, we don't like the light, we want the darkness because we love pleasures of the world, sin of the flesh. He warned us and Our Bishops should be warning us if they love us
Father Mark Goring's response to Bishop Robert Barron makes a lot of sense do not change Jesus teaching either you are with Jesus or not .. there is no such thing as half salvation we need to pray ,pray for our church the devil is moving and causing division
The sincere smile of this guy whenever he’s about to introduce a new bit of information is a testament to his knowledge, passion, and expertise on said subject matter. Love this guy!
Thanks to Dr. Martin, Bishop Barron and Fr. Mark! This is a great topic for in depth conversation and it's awesome that we can all engage in the conversation. I think the various nuances that you have each pointed to helps to form the complete picture.
Thanks Ralph ...Excellent clarification...Prayers for unity in the Church and the Salvation of souls 🙏✝️🙏 May God continue to bless Renewal Ministries...♥️
Thank you, once again. Dr. Martin, for your wonderful clarity on this issue. I wish I'd had this knowledge during my high school teaching days on the subject. Thankfully, I can still use it in my diocesan and parish RCIA work. The only question the kids ever wanted answered was "Do I have to be Catholic to be saved?" The instant you say, "No, but..." you can palpably feel all the light bulbs shut off in their heads. In their minds, all they hear is "I don't need to be Catholic to be saved." Your explanation here really re-kindles the reality of the urgency of being Catholic---which, of course, is ultimately about our relationship with Our Lord (and all that goes with it). Your answers in this careful and fully thought out teaching here gives us the important baseline to turn the light switches back on from "No, but..." to "If you think you're going to be saved without being Catholic, good luck with that. Now, let me tell you why." The three conditions and three final sentences you point out in LG no, 16 really hammer it home. I especially love your line, "We aren't working through salvation in a neutral environment," and in fact, as you state so well, not only is it not spiritually neutral, is a spiritually hostile environment at the center of which is our egotistical self in which we perceive ourselves as God (i.e., the most violated sin is the first commandment) enhanced by the radical effects of Original Sin. "Wide and easy is the road that leads to destruction and MANY there are who are following it. Narrow the path and difficult the way that leads to salvation and FEW there are who find it." "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO ONE comes to the FATHER but through me," not through Buddha, not through self-contemplation, not through the universal brother and sisterhood of believers or any false religion, but through Christ.
Now that's what the Church actually teaches. Deo gratias!
This was amazing, Thank you. I really appreciate how committed Ralph Martin is to union with the Catholic Church because it seems more and more that you will only hear the truth from Catholics who seem to border on schism, which can be very confusing. I really liked the clarity and charity present in this video.
Thank you, Dr. Martin. My heart is deeply saddened by the words and actions of our church and civil leaders. Your voice of truth gives us hope.
Very well explained, thank you Dr. Martin!
You sound so certain for a man who proclaims to be of faith. Blessings, my friend.
THANK YOU Ralph Martin! You have enlightened me! God bless you, and His Holy Spirit continue to be your Light & Wisdom.
We are Blessed to have you and Fr. Goring she’d light on the salvation of souls. God Bless You
Excellent response! I’m amazed at the strong reactions to BB’s video. I’ve been praying for him actually! 🙏📿✝️. I hope he sees this video.
Thank you Mr. Martin. I love the way you discuss with charity& love. This is the way it must be done if we are going effectively overcome our disagreements. With the light of Jesus Christ through strength & Love. Thank you for your knowledge & inspiration. GOD BLESS!!!
Jesus told St. Faustina: “My soul suffered the most dreadful loathing in the Garden of Olives because of lukewarm souls.....for them, the last hope of salvation is to flee to My mercy.”
“I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.” (Rv 3:15-16)
“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.” (Rv 3:20-21)
Thank you for this video on a topic that I have wrestled with many times in different phases of my life....(now 71yrs). The Holy Spirit, I believe, is present in a big way throughout your discussion & indeed in many of your presentations I have viewed! God bless you & your work, Mr. Martin
Thank you Ralph Martin.
May God bless you for all your sincere efforts ,to reach out to unknown.
Beautifully and thoroughly handled. As a Bishop Barron fan I had to admire his desire for God's greater mercy to be at work, even as I squirmed with his addition of "fullness" to salvation. But your respectful response and more studied analysis of the whole of Lumen Gentium 16 clearly lays out the seemingly impossible possibility of salvation without explicit belief in Christ, and thus the urgent call of all of us to speak truth in love to every neighbor. And, by doing so, we answer what Lumen Gentium says in the following paragraph (17): "Through her (re: The Church) work, whatever good is in the minds and hearts of men, whatever good lies latent in the religious practices and cultures of diverse peoples, is not only saved from destruction but is also cleansed, raised up and perfected unto the glory of God..."
Thank you Dr. Ralph Martin. Your clarity is soooo needed. You have explained the issue.
I’m so glad I came across your channel.
I agree with Ralph Martin's interpretation. The scriptures àre very clear that the way of salvation is through Jesus Christ alone! It's cut and dry! That's the free will that God gave us. Either you're for Christ or not. It's cut and dry. You're not gonna please everyone. There are people in this world that want to justify their actions in accepting Christ or not!
No matter who says whatever, I will always and only believe in the original doctrine of the church created by Jesus Christ himself, Amen
Beautiful explanation. I loved Bishop Barron's sermon. It is just an easily distorted topic (specially if done in so little time) for jumpy us. So thank you for the clarification!
Thank you Ralph Martin for sharing your wisdom and deep reflections on salvation amidst the confusion and crisis that we are living through. Helps us to own more and more our responsibility to propose and share Jesus to others with love but with more boldness in the Holy Spirit.
I'm only at the 2 minute mark of this, and I find it exemplary. Much of my pandemic time was spent encountering Christians on UA-cam. From that experience, I discovered a new entry for the list of _There Are Two Kinds of _ dichotomies:
There are 2 kinds of Christians
· The _Citadel Christian_ stands on the walls of their fortress and delivers epithets like rocks and arrows at those who are wander outside his/her walls of correctness
· The _Walkabout Christian_ is a person at the bazaar, moving among the crowd, greeting and engaging with others. When he/she meets one who is mistaken on a point, they say, "That is interesting, friend. Let's discuss it further…."
Dr Martin is clearly the 2nd kind, an example for us all.
Thank you, Dr. Martin, for explaining this issue with clarity and faithfulness to the teachings of the Church, citing the Second Vatican Council. It is very nice to hear this explained by someone who doesn't reject the Council, but also who doesn't ignore the teaching of Christ on the narrow way. May God graciously reward you for your precise and kind explanation of what the Church teaches on this issue, I was aided immensely by this. I will be sharing this with Catholic friends that I have been discussing this issue with.
Thanks Ralph for clearly explaining this area.
Thanks so much for your clarity. We need clarity. If we want to be an Olympic athlete...we have to strive to be the best and follow the rules of the sport. Or we won’t make it. I want to be an Olympian of my Catholic faith. I want to see what no eye has seen or hear what no ear has heard. I want to be with our Lord in heaven.
Your are the man. Praise God for orthodox followers to dispel the confusion in our day, what a blessing.
Amen! May we all respond to the grace of conversion and not take salvation for granted. Love the charitable discussions. We need more like these. Thank you, Ralph, Fr. Goring and Bishop Barron.
Yor book was excellent, and I never get tired of hearing this message. Thanks for your ministry, Ralph.
Thank You Ralph Martin, For speaking the Truth even though it may not be the popular view. ☦️
Truthfuly argued.
May our Lord Bless you
Thank you Dr. Ralph Martin for your clarity and explanation of what the Church teaches.
Thank you so much for responding to this! You are either saved (have salvation) or you don’t. There is no “fullness of salvation”.
Dr. Martin, would you think most non-believers (if not all) are inculpably ignorant? For example, how many non-believers actually truly know and reject the real Jesus (and not some caricature of Him formed by bad catechesis, or had some other environmental reason to not believe). It seems if all people were 'properly' evangelized, they would come to believe?
P.S. great video. I really appreciate your perspectives and approach. God bless!
Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to do this video. God bless you abundantly and continue to increase the gifts of faith, hope and love in you. May the Holy Spirit fall afresh on you every single day.
Ralph speaks the truth in love. His spirit reflects that of Christ. Thank you, Ralph! God bless you!
3 Hail Marys for you Professor 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻📿
Overall, I must commend Bishop Barron for his addressing of this question. He only had so much time to respond on the other hand. I think father Ralph, Martin also did a wonderful job of expanding a more complete answer through his response to the question. Both are wonderful ministers proclaiming the good news well done to both complementing each other the way they do.
I am 60 and a staunch Catholic. I can wholeheartedly admit that I learnt something today. It's just amazing.
Love you and love Bishop Barron. Thank you.
When I am at Mass here in Canada where I live, I pray God leads people to the good Catholic UA-cam channels because our Priests preach the opposite of what the Bible teaches
God bless this ministry, Bishop Barron’s and Fr Mark’s!
Thank you sir for your channel and books ❤
It is so true of what you said. Under the constant attack by the devils and our tendency to sin, our conscience shouldn’t be trusted. We need explicit help from the faithful like Bishop Robert Barron, you and others.Thank you so much for your sharing. God Blessed !
Thank you Ralph for clarifying the TRUTH that is the foundation of our faith. God bless you!
I highly recommend Ralph's books: " Will Many be Saved?" and, "The Fulfillment of all Desire". Thank you Ralph for your commitment to the TRUTH.
God bless you Ralph Martin. Thank you for this very charitable and thorough correction.
Thank you for this! I took a lot of flack when I shared Fr. Goring's video as it was seen as an attack of Bishop Barron. I need to read more of your work as I have been trying to understand what went wrong with regard to Vatican II.
God bless you and thanks again for this very helpful video! You are living proof that a difference of opinion can be dealt with in a decent, loving way!
Thank you Ralph for your clarification on this point. This is a timely message presented in a respectful way.
I like this guy. I may not agree with him all the time but he speaks with love and not through ego.
The lies of the devil- how true. So many people are deceived - I worry so much about the little ones of our world- learning the lies about same sex marriage, transgender, my body my choice😢😢😢😢😢😢you are correct Ralph; we must fast, pray and spread The gospel
Awesome explanation and breakdown into the section from Lumen Gentium 16! Thank you and God Bless Dr. Martin!
Many thanks Ralph Martin, as others have said for adding clarification to Bishop Barron's talk as well as the follow-up by Fr. Mark Goring. This extra clarification is very helpful.
Thank you. I needed clarity on that.
We truly have to be Apostles.. Thank you for your remindal
YOUR VERY SMART..REALLY BENIFITED FROM YOUR INFORMATION....
MAY TRINITY GOD BLESS ...
THANK YOU...
Thank you Dr. Martin🙏😊 I have a question where scripture says in Luke 9: 49-50. Where the disciples tell Jesus about someone who is not part of their group casting out demons in Jesus’s name. The Lord tells them not to stop him and those who are for us cannot be against us. I’m wondering about our Protestant brothers and sisters. Is this passage possibly a reference to them? I’m a former Protestant. I see many of them representing Christ far better than many of my Catholic brethren.
We can talk about these issues till the cows come home but on a practical level, Lumen Gentium Section 17 says, "All disciples of Christ are obliged to spread the faith to the best of their ability." 'Obliged'. it's not optional.
Thank you Ralph. The Lord heard our concern 🙏🏻❤️