Old Roman chant - Domine quinque talenta tradidisti michi
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- Опубліковано 6 бер 2010
- Medieval Old Roman Chant.
Title: "Communio: Domine quinque talenta tradidisti michi".
Service: Missa Sancti Marceli.
Performers: Ensemble Organum, Director: Marcel Peres
Album: "Chants de l' Eglise de Rome (VIIe & XIIIe siecles)"
This chant was one of the things that helped me overcome my opposition of the Catholic Church. God willing, I will be confirmed next Easter.
If Mass sounded like this I would never go out of the church. The music is like a ladder to peace of heaven
You should look for an FSSP mass near you. There are catholics who keep to the old Latin tradition. Or you might find an eastern catholic mass around.
Jesus Acuna left a good reply, to add to that you could also look for a Western Rite Orthodox Mass near you.
If the way I like if not I don't care. Hmmm well, keep yourself home
@Niko Bellic Saying Orthodoxy is false, is the same as walking into the First Nicaean Council (325 A.D.) and telling them the same. Who then, friend, would be false? Would you stand before Constantine the Great and express this? Just something to think about.
Personally, I like to believe that anyone who genuinely believes in the Trinity, and does their best to live by Christ's teachings, will be forgiven for the version of Christianity they follow. For me, it's always going to be the Church of the Holy Fathers, the Orthodoxy you referred to. For friends I have, it's Lutheranism, Catholicism, or what have you. They are respectful of my faith and I am of theirs, regardless of the theological variants that time, and man's natural state of theological inquiry has inspired.
@Niko Bellic very informative, ty
The Lord Christ Almighty has forgiven our sins this day! Let us rejoice and praise him forever! God bless you all.
May Lord JESUS come again to save this evil dark world of ours. Amen.
Is this Catholic or Orthodox?
@Yanina Miller The chant is that of the Roman Catholic tradition in Latin, but the art in the video is of the late Western Roman Period (or early Byzantine Period). That’s a good question! The art found in Northeastern Italy and Ravenna is more representative of Byzantine style - whereas artistic mosaics during the existence of the Western Roman Empire were composed of different texture. Byzantines (Greek) worshipped and stylized in their own language and tradition - separate from the Roman/Italian (Latin) tradition.
@@TheRighteousMight yes they did,but its interesting to see where the cultures merge. I ,myself am a part of the Russian Orthodox church that of course embraces the Byzantine art,but iHave seen these cultures combined before
Yanina Miller that is most interesting in my perspective too. Merging cultures are what eventually made the Romans into an empire over hundreds of years! I respect you, though I only consider myself Christian. I don’t believe in sectarianism. I don’t believe Christ would want his church divided, but that’s another debate for another time.
Thanks to the person who uploads all of this music!!!
OH what heavenly bliss to meditate on Jesus while hearing these chants! Try out to pray the Jesus Prayer while listening to this, heavenly exstacy
This is great. I'm thankful to all who study and performe this, bringing great art to us.
ΚΥΡΙΕ ΕΛΕΗΣΟΝ ΜΑΣ
Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
I loved listening to this one. I just love when they sing like that, its so lifting and holy, as if you are listening to God himself. Ave
U still a Christian?
Magnifique! Une belle aide à la prière!
This is it! What a chant. I totally feel God here.
Beautiful!
I love just finding these gems of christendom in my recommended
This is lovely! I like a lot.
Callixtinus,
I sing in a schola and our schola master told us that it is sung as michi mostly for practical reasons. The chants themselves has it written as "mihi". However, as one is singing this it is difficult to maintain the proper pitch and a good annunciation of the word so the is a consonant shift from 'h" to "k". I hope this helps
Im not believer of anyone religion, but this music is a beautiful piece of human art
Ultimate Retro Games
WRONG!!!!!!! There is only one . The Way, the Truth and the Life.
@@brucetonkin5876 wrong... there is no good evidence that your jesus even existed... so there in no way, no truth and the only life in your beliefs is the one you are wasting on these fairy tales...
@@alahatzaifat1872 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
@@AnprimGang this is the old thinking, still heavily influenced by believers which make up the majority of the english speaking world. However, things are changing. More and more biblical scholars and historians are starting to question this. I am firmly on their side. For now.. if it changes, then I will revise my stance, but for now.. I am not convinced. Too much relies on 'supposition'.
However, even if he did exist.. it in no way gives credence to him being the son of god.. or being divine etc. During the same period, the roman caesars where said to ascend to heaven and become gods themselves.. and much of the 'mythology' around jesus is just copied from previous 'saviour gods and goddesses'... very very closely copied from previous sources, actually.
@@alahatzaifat1872 give back to the heart what belongs to the heart :)
Doskonałe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This beautiful and exquisite music brings heaven down to meet earth., the dwelling place of Our Lord and Michael, "He who is as God". The Great Prince, who fight for God and Christ Jesus. This music puts you in the right frame of Mind, where your Soul, Mind and Spirit can be in tune with God. To be at Peace with the World, the Universe and the Cosmos. Blessed be the name of The Lord.😊👁💕 God.
I don't know if I am going to heaven but dame this is great to listen to
Divine
Amen
Amen..........................
@BlackCappa: I know it's 'mihi' in classical latin, I wondered about the difference too, but the CD says 'michi', and if you listen closely you will also realize the chanters pronounce it 'michi'. I presume it has to do with the text having been written in medieval latin.
Il s'agit de la prononciation liturgique dite romaine : ils l'ont orthographié ainsi pour se conformer aux usages contemporains : en effet, mihi en latin médiéval commence à s'orthographier michi au tournant de l'an mil, accompagnant d'autres transformations phonétiques puis graphiques de l'époque telles que la compression de la diphtongue ae en e ou le remplacement du t par un c dans des mots tels que gratia. La partition doit avoir l'orthographe de l'époque, donc mihi.
touching
❤
Beautiful chant, almost sounds Orthodox. Surely this must have been chanted before the 700s.
Yeah after a few months of listening to them I realized they're Latin Orthodox in origin, as before the Schism we were one. That's why I originally put that it must've been chanted before the 700s, as that's when Gregorian chants started to split the West from the East
Nachtjager
There will be no swearing in my thread
Gregorian chant had nothing to do with the East-West split.
lets pray that someday will come that the latin west and the orthodox east shall be one in communion again
Amen. Let spiritual pride and triumphalism be anathema! Glory to Jesus Christ!
@Callixtinus -- as a long time Latin rite chorister, I can tell you singers sometimes take liberty with the text in the interest of clear diction. "Michi" would be one such case.
@TheBirdMamma -- We are all guilty, mamma. Every single one of us. Every time we sin, we are hammering the nails through His flesh, into that cross. We are unworthy all. Get down on your knees and pray thanksgiving for your salvation.
The best ! ☝praise be to Jesus and Mary ...
"I do not change"
Callixtinus, How the name of the first song of "ten hours the best of gregorian chant" ???
I love that chant, my friend!! Help me!!!
ps: After studying the Sufi thing, I see they are a bit like the Quaker's. They sing and dance and go into trance like condition. The push away all earthly thought to be one enslaved by the compassion of the Beloved!
@Lysandros: Florence Baptistry
Qui non ne nobis
Qui e Domine lo vult
Gloria mio divino si ire
++nnDnn++
Up early eating roasted chicken legs and Hershey's chocolate. I'm waiting for the sun.
In fact...it's high medieval latin
Does anyone know what the mosaic represent and where they can be seen?
Was this music originally sung with a Byzantine-type ison, or was that added for this performance?
It was added for the performance. There is no hard evidence, to my knowledge, of a prescribed ison in Western chant. However, oblique organum, a common (?) improvised technique at the time, is practically the same thing, so the ison here can at least be justified as valid Western chant custom, even if its performance in Rome may or may not be historically accurate. In the booklets of two Old Roman albums I own Marcel Peres' intro says he chose the ison for these recordings because of (1) the provocatively mysterious appelation of four of the seven voices of Rome's schola cantorum as "secondary voices" and (2) the mention of something called "basilical" organum (if I got that right - I am recalling from memory as I type).
I saw a Sufi poem. Written-13th century. Watch>>"Rumi-Only Breath"
A time when a Christendom was one
And today could heal the schism easily, but now there are international interest, Neo-Liberal that do not like the European (especially the southern) to strengthen their national and cultural traditions as muslim immigrants(third world countries) are valuable for making people less aware of anything rather their own safety and can work with less money, thus capitalists can work expecting profit without worrying about rights etc...So we became a burden along with our traditions, and that's while we were fighting for what divides us instead of being together for what unites us!Arch Bishop of Greece Christodoulos, was highly energetic figure, he managed to gather hundreds of thousands of greeks to hear his speech, that was about being strong in character, a personality not a number, he said once, "you prefer to be minced meat that can anyone change you your shape(meatball) or a solid piece meat with certain shape and whoever likes it? " he was diagnosed with cancer twice in a few days, his supporters Patriarch of Alexandria died in a crush of a military helicopter while he was on route to Mount Athos(Putin who was to visit mount athos also with a military helicopter
, after the incident he took a boat!!!), his other supporter Patriarch of Jerusalem is currently overthrowed(by a fixed scandal) from his seat and is locked in monk house in Jerusalem.It seems we can't beat Neoliberalism.
best music to listen to while drunk.
Cistercian heaven
It may have something to do with lenition.
"Domine quinque talenta tradidisti michi" -- translation?
"Lord, you had given me five talents, and behold I have made five more." (Mt 25,20)
+Jay Preis The reference is to Matthew 25:15.
+Jay Preis "Michi" was a legitimate Italian spelling of "mihi" in the 11th-century.
Latin was spoken in multiple dialects by regional accent during the Middle Ages, due to influence by the native languages that influenced its pronunciation. I heard a Corsican pronounce it like the English H, and I think the H might have been silent in parts of continental Europe, so in general you might be right.
Always felt strange about my Roman(Italian) heritage and the fact I am a deep, lifelong believer of Jesus. But they found him guilty of no crime, they had no quarrel of their own with him. The Sanhedrin made up lies that he was trying to bring up a revolution against the Empire and claiming himself a new king. They could not see the Kingdom of which he spoke was of the spirit and mind and soul and not of a physical kingdom, so they basically talked the Romans into arresting him for treason
The decision was Pilate's, who was a Roman. The Creed says "he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate". Put God first, and you will easily take a step back from nationalism and won't feel strange about anything or anyone. In Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek.
When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands and said, “I am innocent of the blood of this Just person. You see to it.” And all the people answered and said, “His blood be upon us and on our children.” (Matthew 27:24-25)
forever, jews. forever and ever. why do you task man with your execution? foolish mortals, babel remains ruined! god can't die, you heretics. you didn't make the sun. you have no place in reality. anywhere! how dare you defile existence!
Julianne Wiley and yet bael-bek is STILL broken, you know nothing of sin little girl.
+radiant templar WTF are you even saying?
The Jews are christkillers.
Halo soundtrack?
Or it is just a centuries old typo XD
If you don't forgive you demand from God another son to be crucified. So all your sins are forgiven if you forgive. Thanks Jesus for this sacrifice. JESUS is LORD
***********If you don't forgive you demand from God another son to be crucified. So all your sins are forgiven if you forgive. Thanks Jesus for this sacrifice. JESUS is LORD
What a disgusting blood cult this religion is. What kind of a ‘god’ needs to sacrifice himself to himself for rules that HE created?? He is the one that set up his creation to fail, and then punished them with this thing called ‘sin’ which is an arbitrary crime against a seemingly mythological all-powerful being, which said creation could NOT harm no matter what they did… and then the only ‘loophole’ he could come up with was blood atonement through human (ish) sacrifice?? And then to talk about more blood cult stuff… to be cannibals and eat the flesh and drink the blood of this sacrifice… to say one is ‘washed or covered in his blood’?? That’s heinous and disgusting….
That’s not even going into the history of this vile, disgusting, treacherous and heinous religion where so MANY vile and horrendous things were perpetuated in the name of this god….
mihi, not michi
this is "Ye olde" Latin not "vetus lingua" Latin. I want my money back. jk.
What's up with this chant? it seems to have "more notes" than most others that I have heard.
Well, this Communion in particular has more words than usual. Even then, they seem to be doing the typical Old Roman neumatic ornaments on every syllable in this chant.
Sounds like it belongs in the early '90s Dracula movie.
Our post-Christian culture has also produced wonderful music and art. Just look around you! Turn on your TV! Listen to your ipod!
This is Byzantine, not Roman.
+Jay Preis Byzantine chant employs a technique like oblique organum called "ison". That's the drone you hear. It became a codified standard in Byzantine music theory, and that association with the East is part of what makes people think it sounds Byzantine.
In this case Old Roman chant refers to the chant performed by the papal schola up to the central Middle Ages. The oldest surviving manuscript for this song "Domine quinque talenta" is a Roman manuscript dating from 1071.
Sunteti cu siguranta prost. . You know what else works that way? Evolution.
WE HAVE TO BELIEVE IT HAPPENED THAT WAY, and if we believe otherwise, we are mocked and laughed at. Either way, no one can win, because people ARE different, and anyone who doesn't accept that should be laughed at and mocked. Do you see how it's a vicious cycle? Get over it and be the best damn human you can be instead of trying to reform others, reform yourself.