Keyways - Cutting Woodruff Key Slots and Broaching

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  • Опубліковано 28 жов 2024

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  • @cosprint
    @cosprint 8 років тому

    I have never seen a broaching tool before. I'm not a machinist, but my Dad had a machine shop that I would help out in the summer time. I'm glad you have these tools, and that you share your time and knowledge with us.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +cosprint And I thank you for taking the time to watch!

  • @bryanlawless5394
    @bryanlawless5394 8 років тому +2

    Thank you Keith on the speeds and depths of cut stuff. Helped me a lot!

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +bryan lawless I am trying to remember to talk more about that stuff...

  • @clydecessna737
    @clydecessna737 8 років тому

    This is terrific, You show how you looked up which cutter to use in the book. Together with Feeds and Speeds this is vital stuff for anyone trying to get a handle on this subject. Being an expert it is so easy to assume we know, we don't. I'm a pilot, I never watch you tube videos on flying 'cause I know that stuff. I watch your videos cause I'm trying to figure this stuff out.
    Thanks Keith.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Clyde Cessna Thanks Clyde. Sometimes it has hard to not take certain things for granted....

  • @kevinbyrne4538
    @kevinbyrne4538 8 років тому +1

    The technical quality of your videos just keeps improving.

  • @swarfrat311
    @swarfrat311 8 років тому +1

    Keith,
    Another satisfied customer! Thanks for sharing.
    Have a good one!
    Dave

  • @tonyd1149
    @tonyd1149 4 роки тому

    Nice work. You taught me something about reinstalling the Woodruff key in my Toro 824 snowthrower. (Impeller bearing replacement necessitated it's removal/reinstall). And, how you cut the slot and keyway using mill and broach. Very awesome. Thank you for making and posting this video. God Bless. tonyd\.

  • @AndrewCisco
    @AndrewCisco 8 років тому

    Keith, thank you for making these videos so younger guys like me, who have no one to learn, can access a reference for machining online.

  • @AmateurRedneckWorkshop
    @AmateurRedneckWorkshop 8 років тому

    That was a job well done. Those broaches are very handy when you need a keyway. Thanks for the video.

  • @michaelmarks8954
    @michaelmarks8954 8 років тому

    Keith, these (nickel/dime) projects are the best easy to understand and teaches us work arounds, ALWAYS enjoy your projects.
    Thanks Mike

  • @boltonky
    @boltonky 4 роки тому +1

    Decided to subscribe because weirdly this isn't the first time Ive come across your videos trying to learn something and actually did in a very informative and basic matter :)

  • @shawnmrfixitlee6478
    @shawnmrfixitlee6478 8 років тому +1

    Great work Keith , That sure is what life is about .. Helping out friends in need !! Thumbs up man..

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 8 років тому +4

    Congrats on the 50K well deserved! Looking forward to another shop update. I am sure with a crew they are moving right along.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +bcbloc02 Thanks - the shop is coming along. They did not get as much done this past week as the first, but more progress was made. I will get a video posted first of the week showing where we are.

  • @peterspence5196
    @peterspence5196 8 років тому

    A nice repair Keith, I have built up a set of small "Dumont" broaches & haven't used any yet, so it's nice to see a small 1/8" keyway being done. I also was given a machinery handbook by an engineer at work a few months back whom updated to a newer version & I use it quite a lot. Every machinist should have one in his toolbox ! Be watching your gear repair when you do it too...
    Cheers - Pedro...

  • @mrfrog3350
    @mrfrog3350 8 років тому +1

    Nice job including the DRO and MH book Keith.Kinda puts a name to a face for people learning milling.Congrats on the 50K!

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Mr Frog Thank you for watching and the nice comment!

  • @highdessert4700
    @highdessert4700 9 місяців тому

    Wow! Thats amazing! Thank you for sharing your wealth of information. This is the first time I have ever viewed anything to do with machinery and it was meditative for me, meaning my attention was completely on the video. I forgot all the craziness in the world for 25 minutes. I would like to learn more for my own information. I live out in the boonies and the closest distance for anything remotely similar for repairs is over an hour one-way. I see how this is a very valuable trade. I appreciate your craft man!

  • @TheBackyardMachineShop
    @TheBackyardMachineShop 8 років тому +1

    Enjoyed the video Keith. Congrats on the 50K.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +The Backyard Machine Shop Thanks Mike - I will be putting up a link to your video when I post my next video on the index plates.

  • @outsidescrewball
    @outsidescrewball 8 років тому

    Enjoyed watching the repair, think I have a broach to do shortly and can't wait to use my new arbor press😃

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +outsidescrewball I wish I had a bigger arbor press for some of these broaching jobs. My arbor press is just too small. That is something else on my want list.... Thanks!

  • @davidharris6581
    @davidharris6581 8 років тому

    Enjoy all you videos. I would like to see a close up of the broach and more broaching in the future. Thanks!

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +David Harris I have shown broaching in some other previous videos as well and I am sure I will continue to show it when I have to do it in the future.

  • @hettinger1000
    @hettinger1000 8 років тому

    Great and useful video Keith. Amazingly, I was just doing a Woodruff key cut this afternoon and it's always kind of nerve wracking because I've never been properly shown how to do them, until tonight when I came in and tuned in your channel. I don't have a DRO but It has moved quite a bit farther up the list after watching this episode. Thanks again.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Ed Texley A DRO on a mill is really useful in so many ways. After you use one, you will wonder how you ever did without one!

  • @eliascastillo1641
    @eliascastillo1641 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you sir , you saved my bacon. Never cut a woodruff key before and to top it off it ended up being a rush job. Your video was very helpful. If I may suggest , could you do a video on tapered shafts? Thank you again.

  • @jusb1066
    @jusb1066 8 років тому +1

    amazing timing, even before you get the new tooling, someone wants a job done using them! lol

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +jusb1066 Actually, the job is what is pushing me to get the index plates done....

  • @Growveguk
    @Growveguk 8 років тому

    Congratulations on the ever growing following you have and well deserved it is too. I look forward to your offerings as much as I did years ago when the BBC Aired a show called tomorrows world. Andy from the UK

  • @raincoast2396
    @raincoast2396 8 років тому +1

    Congratulations on reaching a half century of subscribers Keith. Well deserved. Cheers.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому +1

      +Rain Coast Thank you sir! Still amazes me so many people watch....

  • @pauljones3866
    @pauljones3866 8 років тому

    Great video and instructions. Looking forward to seeing your dividing plate construction project. I want to make another dividing plate but will have to do it without CNC. Thank you

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Paul Jones Stayed tuned, I will be showing how to do them manually in an upcoming video....

  • @stevedotrsa
    @stevedotrsa 8 років тому +1

    50k, awesome! Keep your highly educational videos coming. Many Thanks.
    Steve.

  • @Lawnmowerman02346
    @Lawnmowerman02346 8 років тому +1

    Just one more project to do , move the outer return springs close to the vertical press frame . I think the tension will be displaced more evenly and less twisting of the cross beam . Great Job

    • @jusb1066
      @jusb1066 8 років тому

      +Lawnmowerman02346 yep that mught do it, it needs something to stop it ratcheting and grabbing

    • @movieguy7398
      @movieguy7398 8 років тому

      +Lawnmowerman02346 it needs some teflon slides.

  • @RickRose
    @RickRose 8 років тому

    Nice one Keith. I've never seen a vise with integrated V-blocks like that. Would love to have seen more of it.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Rick Rose I have featured that vise in several of my videos in the past - even talked about it is a few of them. Don't remember which ones off the top of my head but they are out there.

  • @rickl.orchids
    @rickl.orchids 8 років тому +1

    .........great show, even the little things take time and attention to details..........side note, .....maybe install some flat poly/nylon behind those side slides on your hydraulic press.....the horizontal rail is all over the place...........make it easier to set things up, and less likely to bend tools and parts with out all the slop....Unless a new one is in the works ......lol..........nice work Mr Rucker.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому +1

      +Rick L The press could use several improvments for sure..

  • @KnolltopFarms
    @KnolltopFarms 8 років тому

    Wow, nice little milestone to hit that 50K! Congratulations! I cannot remember what your count was when I started viewing...I know when it was, and why I even started watching all of you masters of metal and while I won't go into that now on such a happy occasion.
    Thanks for all your continued efforts and have a great weekend, Aloha...Chuck

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Knolltop Farms Thank you Chuck. It still amazes me every day that so many people subscribe and watch my channell. Thank you to ALL of them!

  • @RoelTyros
    @RoelTyros 8 років тому

    Hello Keith,
    Always nice to see this kind of work so again an interesting video like always !
    Many greetings from Roel.

  • @cnc-ua
    @cnc-ua 8 років тому

    Congratulations with 50K of subscribers. Well deserved, Keith.

  • @pitu72ger
    @pitu72ger 8 років тому +6

    50K subs. congratulations. well deserved.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому +3

      +pitu72ger Thanks - that and 8 mil views all in the same week!

  • @ianclapham3579
    @ianclapham3579 8 років тому

    Cheers keith. Enjoyed this

  • @61066clocks
    @61066clocks 8 років тому

    Nice Tutorial Keith..enjoyed

  • @nataliegosper9926
    @nataliegosper9926 8 років тому

    Hi Keith, Been watching your video's for the past couple of years and have certainly found them very informative and interesting. My qualifications are in commercial diving and electronics, though I have done a verity of machining. Keep up the good work!

  • @tolydukhovny682
    @tolydukhovny682 8 років тому +2

    very nice repair to the old lathe!
    also very detailed course i'd call "dro-101".
    and here's the source of envy -- your specialty vise!
    as far as the press, i wish you'd gat a long-travel flange attached hydraulic ram instead that moving frame and a bottle jack.
    maybe brother adam would be willing to make it for you?
    thank you, keith, for the video.
    -toly

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Toly Dukhovny I have some plans to upgrade the press down the road. So many projects, so little time....

  • @andywander
    @andywander 8 років тому +1

    Hey, Keith, when zeroing the Y on that woodruff cutter, wouldn't zero be where the cutter just makes a full 1/8" flat on the shaft, and not right where it first touches? Depth is shown in the diagram as measured from the 1/8" wide flat.....

  • @Jccarlton1400
    @Jccarlton1400 8 років тому

    Keith my copy of Machinery's is just about the best 80 buck I've ever spent. It's always on my bench or desk.

  • @charlescompton4495
    @charlescompton4495 8 років тому

    I enjoy all the videos even when the dog gets me up at 5:30! Looking forward to more pics of the shop and the plates coming in so you can cut the teeth. No nap this time; very interesting. Greg

  • @WillyBemis
    @WillyBemis 7 років тому

    Thank you Keith!

  • @ChrisB257
    @ChrisB257 8 років тому +1

    Nice demo Keith. Good job. :)

  • @captahab801
    @captahab801 8 років тому

    Congrats on your numbers! When you find the time would you put some small wire rope in the springs on the press so if they break the springs wont fly out and hit you in the face. It just happened to a friend of mine and now he may lose the sight in his left eye.

  • @notsure9079
    @notsure9079 8 років тому

    great video

  • @jeffmoss26
    @jeffmoss26 8 років тому

    nice one Keith.

  • @IH1940HAY
    @IH1940HAY 3 роки тому

    What diameter cutter did you use and what size key? I need to make one in a 9/16” shaft. The width of WK is 3/16” but I’m unsure of the cutter for that, 1/2 or 3/4” dis cutter.
    Thanks

  • @bobbyg9295
    @bobbyg9295 8 років тому

    KeithEven though I know your fingers are a safe distance from the turning cutter, to the unexperienced it will seem that this is an acceptable practise.Maybe in the future you could use a pointer.Enjoy all your videosThanks Bob

  • @robertkutz
    @robertkutz 8 років тому

    keith nice work .

  • @chuckthebull
    @chuckthebull 8 років тому

    Tell us about your band-aid.frame 13:53 ... i have one too...HA! does not matter how long you have been doing this sometimes you want to clear a chip away and forget...I got an end-mill right through my nail for it...
    Great video again by the way!

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому +2

      That was so long ago, and so many band aids ago, I don't even remember.....

    • @chuckthebull
      @chuckthebull 8 років тому

      Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org HA...yes i know the feeling..

  • @ronnieg6358
    @ronnieg6358 3 роки тому

    Why do you have the mill running when setting up. Doesn't this risk damaging the part?

  • @mayhem7090
    @mayhem7090 8 років тому

    bon boulot Keith 👌

  • @عبدالمولىالنايض
    @عبدالمولىالنايض 6 років тому

    Thanks , good job

  • @joandar1
    @joandar1 7 років тому

    1/8 by 1/2 woodruff key. That will be a cutter No 404. Diameter comes first and is the number of 1/8 in diameter. Second portion is width and that is the number of 32' of an inch wide the key is. It is in Machinery's Handbook. For example I had to bye a 606 and it is 5/8 by 3/16. Cheers from John Australia. PS The cutter cost 109 Dollars Aus, I had to do this to do the job. It is a fairly common size keyseat.

    • @joandar1
      @joandar1 7 років тому

      Just watched the rest of your video, now I am thinking what my father taught me, put brain into gear before your mouth. LOL. He also said the handbook is the Machinist Bible and I am converted from many moons ago. Cheers from John.

  • @ianbutler1983
    @ianbutler1983 8 років тому

    Thanks Keith. Quick question-what are the advantages of a woodruff key over a straight key? I assume the rounded bottom must supply some benefit to justify the added work.
    Thanks,
    Ian

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Ian Butler A Woodruff key is not capible of sliding out of the end of the shaft like a square key. If you need to capture the key in place without relying on a setscrew, they are very handy.

    • @ianbutler1983
      @ianbutler1983 8 років тому

      +Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Oh, of course. I never thought of that.
      Thanks Keith.

  • @debojyotiroy7049
    @debojyotiroy7049 4 роки тому

    What is the name of this cutter used in woodruff key slot machining?
    Please tell.

  • @fenume5870
    @fenume5870 8 років тому

    i always like watching your videos and iva learned a lot

  • @y4jirobe
    @y4jirobe 8 років тому

    Hey Keith,
    How would you approach lining the second cut up if eyeballing it wouldnt be close enough? I run into that from time to time and just have to keep recutting my peice til it fits.
    Thanks as always from a learning highschool teacher.
    -Keith

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +yajirobe Not sure I am following your question. The second cut should all be set up from the first since nothing changed. Only how far from the end of the shaft changed and that really did not matter as long as it was in the width of the hub.

  • @roeng1368
    @roeng1368 8 років тому

    good job.

  • @caseyclymore4417
    @caseyclymore4417 8 років тому

    (I don't know much about machining, only what I've learned from your channel.) So the broaching, where you were using the press to force that cutting tool through your work piece to cut the slot for the keyway .... Is that effective? It's seems a little barbaric compared to the first process you showed, where you were zeroing out the measurements, carefully monitoring the depth.... Cool video, I like the length and the content.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Casey Clymore That method of broaching is pretty standard. It does go quicker with a faster press. With the proper shims, you do not even have to measure the depth of cut as it is all worked out with the engineering of the broach and shims to give the proper depth of cut.

  • @ScottandTera
    @ScottandTera 8 років тому

    hey keith why a woodruff key over a strait key i have often wondered why they make two fifferent keys and why you would choose one over the other,, any idea where i can find the handbook?

    • @garygsp3
      @garygsp3 8 років тому

      +Scott Tyndall
      The Machinery's Handbook AKA Machinists Bible can easily be found with a google search. Depending on where and who you buy from a hardback version can be kind of salty at upwards of $75 - $100. Have you ever wondered what that big fat drawer is for in the middle of a Kennedy machinists toolbox? It's for that book.

    • @ScottandTera
      @ScottandTera 8 років тому

      OK thanks will check into getting me one

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Scott Tyndall A woodruff key is used in some applications because it is impossible for it to slide out the end without removing the hub first. If you are using a set screw to lock a square key in place, or the part needs to slide on the key over a range, a square key is the way to go. But in many machinery applications a lot a damage could happen if a square key slid out and fell into a crank case. That can't happen with a Woodruff key.
      Machinerys Handbook can be bought new from the major online book stores or you can buy used copies at places like ebay.

    • @ScottandTera
      @ScottandTera 8 років тому

      Thanks Keith for responding that cleared it all up

  • @kenlautsch4410
    @kenlautsch4410 2 роки тому

    You should have had Hector send pictures of it installed

  • @RGSneaker
    @RGSneaker 8 років тому

    Always interesting videos :-)
    Was the depth of cut on the first Woodruff measured from the diameter or from the "shoulders" of the cut?

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +RGSneaker Not sure I am following your question. Basically, the depth of cut was from where the cutter first touched the shaft.

  • @lostinthepinesca
    @lostinthepinesca 8 років тому

    Can you provide amazon link to that book please? also good stuff as usual!

    • @KPearce57
      @KPearce57 8 років тому

      +PrimusImperium this will get you there. www.amazon.com/Machinerys-Handbook-29th-published-Industrial/dp/B00E280QKU/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1452848171&sr=8-7&keywords=machinist+handbook

  • @Spoif
    @Spoif 8 років тому

    +Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Hi Keith. Do you touch-off with the cutter running because of the irregular shape of the cutter? Is there an accurate way to determine the desired origin without the cutter running?

    • @jusb1066
      @jusb1066 8 років тому

      +Spoif once upon a time, people used to touch off using a cigarette paper (or the foil that was in some packs) and turning the tool by hand, if the machine had a freewheel function. and people dont tend to have a 'fag paper' around these days, plus that lost you a thou or 2 anyway, so you could turn the machine by hand if it allows you to untill you detect it touching.

    • @PhilG999
      @PhilG999 8 років тому +1

      +jusb1066 That's the way my machine shop instructor taught us to do it. At the time (in the 70s) cigarette papers were abundant...Mic one and subtract the difference...;)

    • @jusb1066
      @jusb1066 8 років тому

      Phil Grindle
      i reckon the fag paper and its extra thou or two gave you a bit of extra material to take off if you wound it on a bit far, thus saving many a job too! yes, the paper was a trick i was seeing from the 'old boys' although the old boys i knew never wanted to teach you anything, like it was a secret.

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому +1

      +Spoif As others have said, a thin piece of paper is a great way of doing it. But with the tolerance I have, I just touch it off on the part and go with that....

  • @charliewood4158
    @charliewood4158 8 років тому

    Congratz on 50000 subs you should have way more buddy

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +Charlie Wood They will come with time! There was a time I thought I would never get 10,000!

  • @tombellus8986
    @tombellus8986 8 років тому

    Good video Keith Thanks

  • @leecoen2577
    @leecoen2577 6 років тому

    nice I learned!!

  • @rufusleers
    @rufusleers 5 років тому

    Why not lower the y, and zero off on the other side? That'd be easier than taking the part out of the vise. That way you know the other key slot is very precisely aligned to the other side.

  • @TritonAquascapes
    @TritonAquascapes 8 років тому

    Am I missing something or did you forget to zero your X axis before you moved it in .50"?

    • @TritonAquascapes
      @TritonAquascapes 8 років тому

      On the first cut that is...

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +mattbaker333 Not sure, but everything turned out like it was supposed to.....

  • @franksalterego
    @franksalterego 8 років тому +1

    Yikes... Hate to be the one to tell you... You really need to redesign and rebuild that press... It wouldn't be that hard to make modifications to make it a much better (and safer) machine.
    Frank

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +franksalterego I agree. It was basically a copy of a smaller version that I used to have but it has limatations. When I build a new one for my home shop it will have many improvments.

  • @mertsilliker1682
    @mertsilliker1682 8 років тому

    not hard when you have the tools and the heart to help

  • @davebohnert542
    @davebohnert542 8 років тому

    ps send a good address as have a few older big things that I will never use and may fit in with your museum tooling.

  • @waltham1957
    @waltham1957 8 років тому

    Dude, time for a new press---or modify the old one---maybe?

    • @VintageMachinery
      @VintageMachinery  8 років тому

      +waltham1957 Yes, it needs some improvements - I will agree....

    • @waltham1957
      @waltham1957 8 років тому

      I forgot to say that your new shop is looking awesome and this will surely up the happy factor I'm sure, good luck in all your endeavors. Paul B.

  • @gribbstone234
    @gribbstone234 8 років тому

    you still got all your fingers ? here's and old sayin my boss told me..."He does the best damn work I never made a nickel on"..

  • @mdrahim7821
    @mdrahim7821 Рік тому

    1:24 1:26 1:27

  • @sebastienfrappier1900
    @sebastienfrappier1900 4 роки тому

    Loll your broch is not perpenticular your keyway will be not in straight line

  • @cosprint
    @cosprint 8 років тому

    I have never seen a broaching tool before. I'm not a machinist, but my Dad had a machine shop that I would help out in the summer time. I'm glad you have these tools, and that you share your time and knowledge with us.