Clarity on Homosexuality and the Biblical Term "Abomination"
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- Is Leviticus just offering advice about medical health? Is it identifying homosexual acts as sinful or just potentially unhealthy? Can calmly and carefully try to understand the passage in context? I hope so.
I think that the overall context of the passage makes its application pretty clear and even though our current culture tends to misunderstand this as condemning certain kinds of people instead of certain kinds of behavior we simply cannot be biblically faithful without standing our ground on this topic.
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Christians need to get comfortable with having uncomfortable conversations…… and fast
@Richard Fox
"It's not uncomfortable for the Christians, it's uncomfortable for the gay person, in fact it is really the persecution of a gay person."
So what would you do? Remain silent while they are perishing?
@Richard Fox
The Word of GOD is the Truth. Anyone or anything that is contrary to GOD’s Word is wrong, and how we feel about it doesn’t matter.
Repent and turn to the True and Living GOD who made us to serve Him.
@Richard Fox
Proverbs 16:25 KJVS
[25] There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
John 14:6 KJVS
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
The only way to GOD is by Jesus Christ, who is The Word of GOD.
Your way ends in death
@Richard Fox so true well said
@Richard Fox yeah so when are you homophobes gonna start stoning people? you can’t be selective just picking out verses that suit your narrative and overlooking those that don’t …. It’s not logical and it’s so negative and harmful
So much hate in the world we don’t need more from the church community
Loved this quote "animal behavior is not the standard for me". Yes! A higher calling. Thanks for taking on all the nitty gritty and helpful topics!!
Exactly. We are Gods children. And yes, we are fallen and yes we need his grace. Beyond that. This is my biggest problem with evolutionary theory. It puts us on the same level as animals, when clearly we are not.
Excellent, excellent quote. I will be remembering and referencing this anytime I hear that 'animals/it occurs in nature' tripe. Excellent 😎
Dogs will hump anything, but that doesn't mean it's"natural" for dogs to mate outside of their species.
I think the proper use of this argument of "animals do it too" is between two debaters who don't accept Christianity. Then this argument goes through if one of the debaters is trying to say it's unnatural. It's not proper to use this argument where at least one of the debaters holds to Christianity being true.
animals don't have homophobia, we could learn from them
"If we love something He hates, we should pay attention to that." AMEN. #ouch
So when you sin everyday like me, do you pay attention to those things? Even the small things like anger at bad drivers.
@@glowheat4469 That's why that sentence from the video was encouraging to me. I agree that we should pay attention to those things.
I’ve seen mike doing short videos with these two guys a few times. Who are they?
@@afham5510 They're from a Bible subreddit. He did one long interview with them and the short videos you see are clips from that long interview. In the video description, there's more info about their subreddit and a link to the full playlist of all the short videos. As each new clip gets released, it'll be added to that playlist. :)
The God of the bible legalized slavery- owning people as property...
"You don't even have to fix the temptation. You just follow Christ."
LORD allows us to be tempted, but He always provides a way of escape.
Thank you for your encouraging words.
"A way of escape" "flea from sin" that's the way. Pray for strength and then remove yourself from temptation.
This is such a hard thing in today's time. I remember my sil, who has always held to Christian beliefs such as not living with her husband before they were married, telling me that animals are homosexual and it's natural. Usually I stay quiet, I am often non confrontational because of past abuse but I'm working on it. This time I said quietly "I don't hold myself to the standards of animals..." the room became very quiet for awhile. I don't know what became of that, but it sticks in my head.
I will be praying for you! Remember that we are to preach the gospel in boldness, not rudeness, but boldness. It's completely understandable that you do not feel comfortable being confrontational, especially due to the abuse you mentioned, and I pray that the mental scars from that get healed as well. But be sure to pray that God gives you the strength to at least engage with and confront people about such topics one-on-one when they do come up. And hey, maybe you just saying that really got people thinking about the topic! You never know.
Jesus said if we live for Him the world would hate us. 🤷🏻♂️
@@thirdplace3973 Right. He was murdered for just being Jesus. And people think that living like Jesus is being super chummy with the world. People HATED Jesus because of what he preached
@@Saltyoldguy- Well, and He was God in the flesh. It was Satan who led his children to murder the Son of God. But it’s true, Jesus said if we live righteously for Him then the world will hate us, it hated Him first and no servant is greater than their Master.
AYYY! There we go! That was a good quote!
Your shorter content has made it easier to share your channel with family and friends. Thank you for going through the effort. It is benefiting my circle here.
so true
and homophobia is still a sin
@@pastorbri Homophobia would indicate an irrational fear of homosexuals. The term is misused often to indicate hatred. A phobia indicates a severe mental disorder, clinical terms shouldn't be used in social and political contexts.
@@vladtheinhaler8940 A phobia is also an irrational hate and dislike. So its a great word to describe these lost sinners. It is a mental disorder as well, only some even choose it as a lifestyle! Crazy eh.
@@pastorbri nobody is scared of the gays, y'all gotta quit with the phobia nonsense. It's a sin and that's that. Just like anything else we fallen and broken humans do. Abstain from sex, learn about Jesus and allow the spirit to help you conquer your lust and go from there, but actively having homosexual sex while proclaiming your a Christian, I'd imagine, doesn't look to good in the eyes of the Lord, me just saying it like that should open eyes. God created us to reproduce and their is none on the side of that ideology. The human race would cease to exist if everybody was gay.
Animals weren't made in the Image of God, knowing good from evil. They were not burdened with moral choice.
Right. Animals have nephesh they go to heaven regardless. We have neshama and are held to higher standards. God knows our wicked hearts
@@AyshKing
Where does scripture say that animals are resurrected?
@@larrybedouin2921 I can't think of a specific reference to animal resurrection, but it does say that the lamb will lie with the wolf in the time of the new heavens and new earth. You can infer that it means animals will be there. Also, it seems like it might be contrary to God's nature that He would not resurrect the pets with which humans have had deep connections. Just some thoughts I've had on the subject.
People weren't made knowing good from evil either, that was kinda the plot point of the serpent and the forbidden fruit....
Why is it immoral tho that’s the question that no Christians have been able to answer more than it feels wrong and god say so
This was hugely beneficial to me to bring clarity and confidence regarding God's stance on this. I knew it was out of order intuitively and that Paul said it clear as day, but Jesus addresses it with the broad net of "sexual immorality." This helped me understand that Jesus would have taken for granted that His listeners would know Leviticus and that homosexuality is most certainly included in that.
So Jesus was a homophobic bigot too. No surprise there
@@colinmatts The Truth hurts too much, therefore you need to mock Jesus. Please be careful to not completely cut you off of Life.
@@colinmatts Did you know Scientists themselves have suggested that humans will run out of things to call bigoted by 2059?
@@EnclaveHater07 As long as there is religion there will be bigotry
@@colinmatts as long as there is human kind there will be bigotry. You're a bigot towards people of religion and probably republicans or the other way around, who knows. There is one thing I know--You're a bigot!
I look forward to you teaching me about gluttony, I can't remember hearing any good teaching on it before. Thank you for putting out these videos, free of charge, Mike Winger! God bless you.
I think DLM Christian Lifestyle made a good video about it.
I second this
And murder. Don't forget murder.
@@Dorfkind-zm4xi Yes, you are correct. It was well made and he was willing to address this particular sin that most have chosen to ignore.
@@Dorfkind-zm4xi Yes, he did, and it was well done.
"I know you're angry, but it's because you're so wrong" 😂😂🤣🤣 classic Mike Winger catch phrase!!
@@will195 They’re quoting what Mike said, not saying Mike was wrong :)
I find most homophobics tend to be angy, so they are wrong.
@@pastorbri that's completely off base here. I'm not afraid of homosexuals and I don't think pastor Winger is afraid of homosexuals either. Afraid FOR them yes, definitely. Just like I'm afraid for all the rest of us sinners who reject Jesus Christ and The Gospel
@@hollyholt1137 most homophobics are not afraid of LGBT as that is not what the word means. I do worry for homophobics though Just like I'm afraid for all the rest of us sinners who reject Jesus Christ and The Gospel
@@pastorbri arachnophobic? Claustrophobic? Hmm. English has changed so much in the last ten years. Maybe that's why they call it language arts. It's interpretive.
Proverbs 3:5-6 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths"
This is what leads people to kill others if gods word goes above human morality and people have to listen to his word what do you think of leveticus 20:13 not even a page away from Leviticus 18:22
I wonder if this is why homophobics become that way as they don't trust God?
You forgot John 8:7
Thank you for a great segment on an area that is confronting us today. Also, I am looking forward to the piece on ‘gluttony’. It seems like there are areas ( including divorce) that the Church is extremely passive on, and it feels like certain sins are never addressed, while others are judged with anger.
Yep. We're quick to jump on one sin while ignoring pre-marital and extra-marital fornication, lying, and a whole bunch of others. BUT, we still need to jump on all the sins, not ignore one or two because it was hyper focused for a while.
*cough* Slander is a huge one *cough*
@@ih82r8
I completely agree. I rarely hear much about pre-marital sex, only on stopping abortion! Aren’t they connected? And for some reason many think that the rules change re: sex before marriage, if a person has been previously married. I never hear anything about the temptations for believers, whether widowed or divorced. It’s strange given the stats that divorce is now just as prevalent among Christians. That alone is disheartening. We all struggle with sin, but let’s not only focus on our favorite sins, which are usually the sins we aren’t battling.
@@cherithieben8422 absolutely. I also hear the church parroting the world's advice of delaying marriage. But the world isn't teaching delaying sexual gratification, so it's not the same thing at all. There's a reason why we're supposed to marry younger, or remarry when widowed. It alleviates a lot of temptation and teaches us self sacrifice.
@@ih82r8
Again, I agree with all you’ve stated. Thank you for your clarity and honesty re: these issues. I am encouraged when I see that my sentiments are shared by other believers.
Oh wow, yes, please do a study on gluttony, please, please, please! There's not nearly enough studies on that and I've been struggling with it all my life because of abandonment and anxiety/stress!
Thank you so much for your videos!
God doesn’t “whisper” about sexual sin, regardless of what the SBC says.
True
He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah, I don’t know how much “louder” God can be about it.
What did the SBC say? Confused by this
@@jt2553 sodom and gamorah wasnt destroyed for homosexuality though.
My question is about the SBC. Did they say something that the OP is referring to?
Looking very forward to hearing you speak on gluttony. I love your wide variety of biblical topics. You're a really great teacher and I appreciate the work God is doing through you.
Yes, I am too. This is a topic I hardly see covered in the Christian community. I see myself and my culture(California) struggle with it and it's consequences, often with no idea of it's tie to sinfulness.
I once heard a pastor feel convicted over his going to nice restaurants after church often and how it became a stumbling block to him. It really caught me off guard.
Forget gluttony....Lol
Jude: Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear-hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
@Noodle That's God's stance, not mine.
Jesus said love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
and not many homophobics have currupted flesh than others
Looking forward/dreading the talk about gluttony, Mike. It's a lifelong struggle of mine and it's only become more glaring after I chose to follow Jesus.
Alot of us over indulge..yep,I hear you on your stuggle.with it..so do I..
Me too. And drunkenness. And immorality.
Regarding the discussion of comparing man with animals (aka beasts): It is written that man (without God) is nothing more than beast. We shouldn't be surprised then when we see humans (who have rejected God) committing vile actions because they have a beastly mind and spirit.
Where does it say that? Genuinely curious.
@@lauren1211
“I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts.” Ecclesiastes 3:18 ESV
“I said to myself regarding the sons of men, 'God is surely testing them in order for them to see that [by themselves, without God] they are [only] animals.'”
Ecclesiastes 3:18 AMP
“So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.” Psalm 73:22 KJV
Man and beast of the land (animals) were both created on the 6th day. But man was made in God's image and likeness. Sin caused the fall of mankind making us fall short of His glory. So we were no longer like God. We exchanged His incorruptible glorious image into one made like to corruptible beasts of the land. We are as beasts before Him. But Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh... Taking upon himself the seed of Abraham to be made like His brethren in order to condemn sin in the flesh. His resurrection transformed His flesh into a glorious body All who believe in Him are being conformed into His image from glory to glory.
humans who reject God tend to follow the homophobic lifestyle more so too.
@@pastorbri What? Homophobia isn’t real 😂 I think you mean “Homo-prejudice”.
@@justchilling704 oh....homophobia is VERY REAL
Thanks brother Mike. My brother in-law has brought up the shell-fish argument in our discussions before and I have not known how to respond to that yet. Thanks for continued clarity on difficult topics in scripture.
This logic is what leads people to kill others if gods word goes above human morality and people have to listen to his word what do you think of leveticus 20:13 not even a page away from Leviticus 18:22
Immediately when Mike mentioned the usual retort of "well other species have same-sex relations"...my question to them would be from the logic of "it is found in the nature of other species so it is OKAY" would it be okay for me to eat my husband after intercourse because a praying mantis does it?
Also, is cannibalism okay for any reason because other species do it for various reasons?
Sorry, had to laugh at the praying mantis comment....good analogy!
No, but humans do engage in sexual relations which is instinct. The urge to eat, sleep, have sex and others is common amongst all animals. Humans ....are also animals too. A lot smarter but the blue print is the same. The bible also agrees with abortions and tolerates father-daughter incest. Eating shrimp is an abomination. Any sexual act that is not missionary sex between husband and wife is sodomy. Waring different fabrics is an abomination. Women who teach men or take the lead in any way are going to hell. Men who cut their hair and shave ....are going to hell too according the bible. Basically we are all going to hell.
Now explain to us that homosexuality meant the same thing today as it did then? Unless you went to school for theology you have no idea what you’re talking about. None of you here including the people that made the video have any education in theology
@@BramptonAnglican One doesn’t need to have intensely studied theology (whether historical, systemic, biblical or etc) to know what God’s truth is about certain matters. May God touch your heart to see what it is that He has decreed as the truth and give you eyes to see what He has said in His Word 🙏🏾
@@BramptonAnglican has homosexuality changed since the Bible times?
I've read some papers by people who study animal behavior and they say that what some say is 'homosexual behavior' is actually exerting dominance.
Yup. We humans, too often, assign human motivations to animals.
Animals of the same sex in the wild often form relationships
@@colinmatts Often compared to which numbers? Actually your statement is wrong.
ABSOLUTELY!!! Finally someone says it.
@@jan_777 I've seen wildlife documentaries that investigated it
Mike, you have no idea how much you have blessed me with all these videos, praise the Almighty Lord for everything he has guided you with!
but ya do know homophobia is a sin?
@@pastorbri "Fear or hatred of homosexual behavior" is not wrong. Hatred of fellow human beings is wrong regardless of the reason.
@@gospelrap11 so can we fear and hate black people or women or the left handed also and say that's not wrong too? Just who are you supporting here, satan or God, As it does not sound like God to me. Not sure Christianity is for you. Sadly. TO HATE PEOPLE IS A SIN! In any way you want to excuse it.
BTW Just what is "homosexual behaviour" you think we can hate? Is it 2 men hugging, heterosexuals do that. Is it 2 women linking arms.....hetero women do that too. Is it ana or or/and oral sex? Heterosexuals do these also....Can we let off bisexual behaviour then? As you never mentioned them....also a behaviour can mean anything so is it just homosexuals doing anything then?
See how your illogical yet?
@@gospelrap11love how you added behavior because the church says it's a lifestyle so it must be a lifestyle.
The exegesis of the Leviticus passage was so fire. Wow. Thanks so much for this.
shame they did not know leviticus is a dead law. Well, so God said in the NT.
I really enjoyed your comments on animals. I feel the sincerity in your voice and think it comes from God and your heart
Yes! please do a study on the issue of glutony!! I have been dealing with this lately. I do not have a weight problem or a health problem but I am eating in emotion and I feel like the Lord was pointing me to gluttony. It's very hard to break that! Would love to have a teaching on this because I rarely hear anyting about it.
Okay this is the 3rd comment.
So good! Bless you guys. I'll stop biting my neighbors now 😂
arf arf!
Stop pooping on their lawn too. lol
Yahushua rebuke you you're not an animal and you're not funny
I actually have bitten people many times. Not with any degree of force, obviously. I find it fun to awkwardly violate social norms (though only within ethical constraints, of course).
Just discovered your channel and binged a lot of videos. Praise God for your work.
This is what leads people to kill others if gods word goes above human morality and people have to listen to his word what do you think of leveticus 20:13 not even a page away from Leviticus 18:22
you do know homophobia is a sin though, yeah?
Luke 16:15 "And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." This verse helps me every day. If something is highly esteemed among men, question it, or you may fall into iniquity.
thats a good one for homophobics
I would love for Pastor Mike to breaks down the laws, the social moral and ritual differences and their validity today. This is an area A LOT of Christians are challenged in. Also drop some good reads on us! Love you all!!
all we need to know is God said the old law is dead.
@@pastorbri where does He say that? Or are you being sarcastic? Lol
Yes! A thorough explanation with context and history as to why they were made, what they make up of, and how they are relevant to today would be super helpful for a lot of Christians. It's looked at face value when there is a lot more to unpack.
@@pastorbriThen He is dead! 🤯🙃
The Bible says it is an unnatural relation and therefore an abomination.
Yes it is
Fun fact: the word "human" is actually derived from "humane" not the other way around. Originally, to be "human" was to be a "humane man" or an honorable person. However, as Europe became more Christianized we developed higher standards for people, and so what was once seen as exceptional became the minimum.
Just an interesting tid bit
Thank you! I love hearing such interesting little facts. God bless you, Sister.
interesting
@@huh2275 I think so!
Yes, the world was more Humane with Christ than without Him.
Everyone please Pray for New York they are basically being forced to be vaccinated by the new indoor vaccine mandates. It’s unconstitutional. Don’t think just because you’re vaccinated it doesn’t affect you.
Yeah it sucks I live there🤦🏽♀️
@@mizz_vibes1732 sorry to hear that. Praying for all of you.
So many Christians are indifferent about the whole issue of COVID-related tyranny. It's really upsetting.
@@mizz_vibes1732 me too Mizz. ,South Queens here. It’s disgusting isn’t it? Fortunately for me I am walking distance to Valley Stream so that is not a problem for me. But I feel so bad for those who can not do that. NYC loves tax money but keeps shooting itself in the foot
Is it the truth what you say, that people are being forcefully vaccinated in New York?
"Animals also do homosexuality, do animals sin?"
Animals rape and kill their own children, how could you make a worse argument?
Animals also have no developed conscience, they don’t know the difference between right and wrong. But humans do, which is why we’re morally accountable before God. So yes, it’s a really bad argument against Christianity.
I think the argument does explain the large LGBT percentage of furries though.
@@SardisTheYardDog TBF you're not wrong there
Animals run around naked like Adam and Eve did. Does that mean that Adam and Eve sinned and the biblical god tolerated or even endorsed it?
@@MajorTomFisher 😂
Mike, I would love to see your take on the sin of gluttony. There are a hundred ways to be gluttonous, outside of food. And I agree that this topic is ignored. Almost purposely so. Probably because many of us are gluttonous in our own ways. Lots of toes to be stepped on with this topic!
Feel like you guys weren’t understanding each other on the issue of confrontation and using the word “repent” lol As someone who lives in So Cal I can totally attest that the culture here is so different and desperately needs more gospel truth. May the Lord strengthen us all in boldness for Him :)
Warrant all the cities and nations conquered by David pretty much wiped out to glorify God in the Old Testament? Wasn't that genocide to the glory of God?
I Wonder how many hundreds statements or Videos concerning homosexuality versus greed or other sins Mike has.
I would think that it's weird that the focus is constantly on homosexuality when greed and unethical behavior is far Is more prevalent. Priorities are off bro
@@PeterFortuna check out his channel. He covers many subjects. His Friday videos are may be my favorite.
A Los angelino here and I can double agree to this!
@@PeterFortuna no.
There are very few truly (if any) gay animals. When a animal is in heat, must, etc the pheromones are so strong to other animals that they may try to mount.. but that is not actual intercourse. I hate when people say this because they don’t understand a animals nature.
We are human and have choice. Even if your gay, you don’t have to sin, just like a addict in recovery has a choice to not sin, (use). We chose not to break laws, because there is a consequence. Gods laws and consequences are much harsher.
"here are very few truly (if any) gay animals. When a animal is in heat, must, etc the pheromones are so strong to other animals that they may try to mount.. but that is not actual intercourse. I hate when people say this because they don’t understand a animals nature. "
nice baseless claim, Courtney. Do tell us how you know. And do tell us what sin is since Christians can't agree what this god's laws are.
We don't say that snakes have two heads because a two-headed cobra was found somewhere in India.
@@velkyn1 weak bait
@@velkyn1 , I took my male dog to the dog park this past weekend. Another unneutered male dog tried to hump him. My dog (before we got him neutered), would hump people's legs. Courtney is 100% correct that animal's mating instinct is overpowering.
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Christians do agree what God's laws are. The 10 Commandments, for starters. I know of no serious Christian who doubts any of them. There may be some fine point details such as whether or not "honoring your father and mother" includes something like taking them to Disney World or not, but generally speaking all Christians agree that honoring our father and mother is God's law.
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There are other commands in Scripture that do spark debate, but I would hold this premise out to anyone: Christians agree on the substance and forms of God's law at a higher rate than any other group of people agree with the laws of their country. Christians may transgress the law of God, but when confronted with it, they turn and repent.
The issue is not whether or not animals engage in homosexual behaviors. It’s about the fact that animals are not held to a moral standard and WE are. Animals won’t be judged before God. We will. Animals are not capable of reasoning and making rational decisions. We are. This argument is pointless.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHATSOEVER WHAT WE AS HUMANS THINK IT IS WHAT……GOD THINKS PERIOD!!!!
yup and we - AS HUMANS - will NEVER know what God thinks. PERIOD.
@@JS-gz2nw YES HUMANS DO KNOW WHAT GOD THINKS ABOUT GAYS HE SAYS IT VERY CLEAR IN THE BIBLE…..,NOT ACCEPTABLE WITH HIM ????
Prove your God exists
@@dignerds PROVE MY GOD DOES NOT EXIST????
@@scarlettwilson7121 Was the bible written thru the eyes, ears, experiences, and culture of ancient HUMANS??? We will NEVER be without our human context. C'mon, be honest here at least.
Mike is absolutely right about the animals comparison point. The other day I watched a squirrel trying to eat an acorn while another squirrel proceeded to try and mate with it. It was hard to watch because I'm thinking in my head, that poor squirrel is basically being raped while trying to eat yet, she hardly seemed bothered by it. It's actually a good point to use with someone because if they want to play the "animals do it" card you could explain to them if you want to go that route, you'd have to accept the other harsh realities that come with animal behavior.
Hey thanks for this, for a year now I've been wondering why I don't see Christians do a break down on the hot topics of the day. Been arguing with my wife for a long time now about weather it was a sin or not. Its nice to see it clear described.
You are bang on! We need to talk about sin more no matter what sin it is and the solution which is the gospel! We don't do this enough as it is viewed as 'confrontational'. Well, the message of the cross will always be foolishness and an offense to those who are perishing. 1 Corinthians 1:18. These days we are so worried about offending people that sin is not brought into the conversation. Of course it need to be done seasoned with salt, but it does need to be discussed whether it be homosexuality or lying as was mentioned. Great video! God bless guys 🙂
yes as homophobia is a sin
I'm a Christian LGBT person - and I heard you say that you feel hated when you talk about your beliefs. FWIW, I don't hate you. I hope you will always be able to speak the things on your mind and heart.
I really do believe we are all trying to make the world a better place - however different those attempts are.
I wish you all the best, and hope good things happen to you.
I'm asking you to consider this passage in Romans chapter 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
So, based on this, can you still consider yourself to be a Biblical "born again" Christian, according to John 3 : 16-21?
@@popjaw1andOnly Wow - you are so kind to give such a thoughtful reply. It really does show you care - and there is not a lot of that these days. Thank you for all the ways you make the world a better place - and may God Bless You, Friend.
I'll never understand why you'd stay in such a terrible lifestyle...Christianity I mean
The issue is I think Paul and the OT say its sin and Jesus affirms the OT but I hope you're saved. I'm not trying to crap talk you or judge you I just think the word is clear on this.
@@Mutantcy1992because it is absolute truth. Einstein once said the most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that its comprehensible. He believed in God as have many scientists. Every atom perfectly in place, the Earth in the perfect place for life to function, every ecosystem working perfectly in tandem with the others. They would have to have evolved while somehow knowing exactly how the other ecosystems were evolving. Moreover we share more DNA with a worm and a Banana than with an Ape or Monkey but we evolved from them? Why have they stopped evolving? Throughout time we see monkeys and Apes no closer to being human than before. InspiringPhilosophy and Mike Winger have great vids on archaeological and historical arguments on the validity of the Bible. We know Jesus was real and a historic figure, many non Chrisitian scholars wrote about Jesus. Suetonius, Flavius Jospehus, Pliny the younger and most known, Tacitus. He was so influential he divided history into before and after his death. Though modern writers are trying to change it from BC and AD to BCE and CE but that still makes me laugh because renaming it doesn't change the fact the turning point between the two and the event that defines both is still when Jesus died.
So when they said they haven’t watched many of Mike’s videos… my thought : Ive watched all of them at least twice 🤣
Hahaha you have too much time, Mike has looonnnggg videos.
Yes! Do gluttony, Mike, please! How many pastors are mega obese and yet yell from the pulpit about other sins? This is a pet peeve of mine if you can't tell. 😄 I have met several chaplains in our Army life who are just honest about their own sin so then we can all be honest about sins and confess and hold each other accountable. It's a beautiful thing that God gave us to enjoy within the body. 💗
I think speak the truth, the way its spoken in Scripture. We preach with boldness, no matter. Grace and love, but with boldness and courage. Reprove, rebuke, and exhort. The Old is included in the New.
Praise God for having His courage to spread The Living Words . It’s not the person but it’s the behaviou❤️🙏
Completely off topic. Mike you said you wanted to talk about gluttony.
I've noticed Jesus talked about fasting and praying. I never see any one talking about fasting unless it's part of a diet now a days.🤔🤓🙊
Tim Conway has an excellent sermon on fasting at the ‘I’ll Be Honest’ web page. It’s called ‘Fasting in secret’. He begins with fasting as Jesus discusses it in the sermon on the mount.
Not that Mike’s message on the subject would not be excellent and well worth waiting for, but this one that I recently saw from Tim Conway was very good and very understandable and applicable.
Gluttony and fasting are two separate things...
You don't fast to take care of gluttony.
Some assembles get people to believe that..As a matter of fact I was in one..
They eat..They eat...like there's no tomorrow and then they look at themselves saying,,OMG I am getting fat..By then some are not getting some well over weight...
And so,,they get up on the pulpit and announces a fast for such and such a duration of time..
Then they let it be known to the whole world that they are fasting..
The other misconceptions that some walk around believing is that everything is demonic driven.And that's the furthest from the truth..
A child of GOD has three enemies..
The world=vanity
Our flesh=cravings
The Devil=situations run by demons
And so,,What you have is a flesh problem..
It's no different from an alcoholic,,a drug addict and whatever the flesh cravings that a person is hooked on..
I have friends that were alcoholics and they never fasted,,prayed yeah,,and they kick the habit..Drug addicts as well
There are those who kick the habit and they never turn back..
There are those who kick it and turned back..
And there are those that never was able to kick the habit,,the habit kicked them..
Again...Like I just told someone..Take it to JAHOVAH,,GOD,, in pray..
Don't get tired of taking it to him..
I do not have the problem of gluttony but there are time when I just feel like eating out of control...
You what helps me,,something very simple...I turn on the television get to some news story that focuses on the parts of the world where the natives have very little or no food at all to eat.
Like what's going on in Haiti or Afghanistan or many other parts of the world..
And I see many of them eat one and they,,do not know where other one is coming from and they're still surviving,,only by the grace of GOD..
And so...I then say if I eat little or nothing for the day I to will not die.
I will survive by the grace of GOD just like these folks...
And another thing share your food..
GOD said it's better to give than to receive..
You might have heard that saying in regards to cash by some preacher..
Well the same thing can be done with food...
Remember you give it to you and you receive from you...
Better to give..Give it out to folks that's in need and,,give as much as you can give,,and I am not only talking about days like thanksgiving but rather as often as GOD blesses you..
And when it became habitual in you.
The pleasure of giving to those that needs it more you
That should be of a good help...
It certainly helps me out nicely...
But first and foremost...
Take it to the LORD in pray..
DLM Christian Lifestyle has a video on gluttony and also a few on Christian Fasting. Well done and Biblically based.
I believe a lot of people have a miss consumption on what gluttony meant when Jesus spoke about it. It didn’t literally mean to eat too much The point he was making was that a person was so involved with their food that they would not share it with anybody else that was the point and they would not give it to anybody it wasn’t about the amount of food. It was targeted towards people not giving to others especially food
Look, as much as I want to listen to these arguments in good faith, the fact that any of these so called “devout christians” just assume all manner of same sex attraction are “temptations” and “abnormalities” are what are distressing to me as someone who knows plenty of gay friends. Apparently how you interpret the Bible is “it’s wrong” without much elaboration other that it’s a relationship without procreation. What’s to say about hetero relationships that can’t or won’t have kids? Is that considered abnormal or is it normal just because it’s heterosexual? There’s just so much that doesn’t make sense even reading the passages myself and what I just see out in the world, so much conflicting opinions. While there are other aspects of our culture I don’t agree with, I feel uncomfortable about any broad statements that condemn it. This debate is often why I don’t consider myself a Christian despite my Christian upbringing and being undeniably heterosexual. End rant.
God is the one who decided the proper relationship between people. Male and Female only.
@@leef_me8112 that’s a cop out
It destroys the social ethos, and causes corruption to seep into every level of society. In all instances where Homoeroticism was acceptable, you found corruption embedded in the world. Greece, Rome, Sparta, Japan, North America, China... it just leads to weird pathologies in humans, and doesn't allow them to understand the right kind of behavior. It also leads to rampant narcissism and self centeredness.
Mike does something in under an hour ... if that happened more often I'd view more.
It’s a segment taken from a Q & A …just watch longer videos in segments…
Ha, yeah I definitely have a good handful of videos I've started and haven't had time to finish unfortunately
The longer ones are worth the watch. Mikes got great content.
Listen during traffic, listen when waiting for plane to board, listen when cleaning, listen on lunch break, listen instead of watching your fav show. Like another person said, break up the longer vids but don’t throw them out just bc they’re too long. He’s an excellent teacher and it will challenge the short attention span we all have lol
@@kryslalwow lol, yeah my challenge is I don't have a commute anymore and work has been draining so I'm usually too tired to be in learning mode 😅😅
BUT I agree with you -- they are always SO worth it! Whenever I have the chance, I do love listening to Mike's messages!
Shorter videos are helpful but your knowledge will be limited on every topic.
I love this channel. Mike uses the Bible to answer the questions.
Excellent video! Very informative and and excellent framework of common sense.
Mentioned is the fact that being created in the image of God adds perspective. All sins are offenses to the nature of God, to his highest creation in mankind, and to the relation for us with him.
Natural tendencies to sinful behavior can all be healed through a relationship with Christ Jesus. That is the glorious gem in being born again.
This was such good information, and good comments especially relating to the animals and homosexuality because I’ve heard that argument before and been kind of stumped. Thank you so much.
Your logic is what leads people to kill others if gods word goes above human morality and people have to listen to his word what do you think of leveticus 20:13 not even a page away from Leviticus 18:22
My response has always been so cannibalism and murder is cool too bc “animals do it”.
@@guiden1954 Yeah, no. You’re capping hard.
No, but humans do engage in sexual relations which is instinct. The urge to eat, sleep, have sex and others is common amongst all animals. Humans ....are also animals too. A lot smarter but the blue print is the same. The bible also agrees with abortions and tolerates father-daughter incest. Eating shrimp is an abomination. Any sexual act that is not missionary sex between husband and wife is sodomy. Waring different fabrics is an abomination. Women who teach men or take the lead in any way are going to hell. Men who cut their hair and shave ....are going to hell too according the bible. Basically we are all going to hell. Humans are very similiar to animals in terms of instincts. To say we are not is rather silly.
I agree, let us declare a duck a duck.
I have seen people suggest that Molek sacrifice included a sexual component based on this passage, but I am not sure how accurate it is. I have also heard people argue that this section of leviticus is all about idol worship which seems pretty weird if true.
The one thing I do know is marriage is supposed to be an image of Christ and his bride the church.
the bottom line is, these old laws are dead, God said so almost 40 times.
Just wanted to let you know why some people compare humans and animals as the same. The theory of evolution is what gives those who believe it the ability to compare humans to animals. They view it as if we are descendants of apes we are part of the animal kingdom and not a special being created in the image of God.
It must be pointed out that the veracity of evolution has no bearing on metaethics. Error theory would apply to spontaneous generation just as well, and non-natural moral realism would apply under common descent. Evolution vs creation is just an argument as to how many instances of abiogenesis have occurred. Both positions are entirely compatible to Christianity, and both refute Atheism (as per the Teleological Argument).
@@jonathandoe1367 I am at a loss as to how you would believe that evolution is compatible with Christianity. Evolution denies the existence of a creator and eliminates the need for a savior. These are two important tenets of the foundation of Christianity. Yet, you think that something that essentially removes the foundation of Christianity is compatible with it? Perhaps you do not understand the implications of what you are saying.
@@momdunse322 Perhaps you don't understand the theory of evolution. How can you explain abiogensis sans intelligent design? How can you account for the unlikeliness of a random universe to be hospitable to life, and the subsequently low chance that life should ever develop even thus? InspiringPhilosophy has a video on the topic you should really check out. I'm not sure who convinced you that evolution was compatible with Atheism, but it sure wasn't Darwin.
@@jonathandoe1367 I said it was not compatible with Christianity. I said nothing about evolution being compatible with anything else. I understand the theory of evolution. I am saying you don't understand the implications behind it. I do not know if you believe in God but if you do then you do not understand who he is or that he is the most powerful being in and outside the universe. The Bible says that God created the universe and he holds it in his hand (Isaiah 40:12). It also says that he numbered the stars and calls them each by name (Psalm 147:4). God created nature and controls it (Amos 4:7, Matthew 8:24-27). How do I explain abiogensis sans intelligent design? How do I account for the unlikeliness of a random universe to be hospitable to life, etc? God. You said it yourself. The chances of everything happening and us being here are extremely low. So low in fact that it is a greater impossibility for it not to happen than it is for God to have done it. When you say that God didn't do it, its like saying that we are just randomly here and that God didn't have a purpose or plan for humans. God has a purpose and a plan for each and every one of us. Even beyond that though, the biggest reason that evolution is not compatible to Christianity is because it takes away the need for a savior and denies the infallibility of the Bible. In other words, either evolution is right and the Bible is lying or the Bible is true and evolution is a lie. To believe in evolution, one must believe that millions of years have existed from the time that slime (or one cell organisms) developed into man. These millions of years before man included death of creatures. This is in denial of the Bible when humans and the world are cursed (which includes death) because Adam and Eve disobeyed God. So either the curse (with death) was around for millions of years before Adam and Eve disobeyed or it wasn't. If it was then the Bible is lying, if it wasn't then evolution is a lie. If evolution is true, then why do we have need of a savior? If evolution is a lie, we need Jesus to save us from the curse. Many things in the scientific community points to evolution being a lie. When the scientific community finds lies it confuses them and instead of saying maybe evolution is wrong, they try to work around the lie to prop up the lie. In conclusion, when science can no longer question if evolution is right or wrong but must work on supporting it, it has become a religion to those who believe it. Those who believe and do not question are the same as those in the past who were against the progress of science.
@@momdunse322
Please tell me this is the generic or hypothetical you, as I have literally cited the teleological argument. That's the argument that proves God did it.
You seem to be worse at Ancient Hebrew than you are at English. I take it you haven't watched any of InspiringPhilosophy's videos on evolution? Perhaps you'd prefer Missing the Mark's Theistic Evolution and the Book of Genesis? Or Dr James Tour's Does Science Make Faith Obsolete? on Biola University.
Begging the question. You just said the reason that evolution is not compatible with Christianity is that it contradicts Christianity. Would you care to demonstrate that it does? There are many who suppose there is no such contradiction, and you've done nothing to argue otherwise. Please watch at least one of those videos I mentioned.
No, there are many pieces of evidence that point towards evolution, and many that point against. To state that either position is necessarily lying is disingenuous.
Do you take Dr James Tour or Michael Jones to unquestioning men? On the contrary, I'd say they given robust thoughtful defense of the faith. Or Dr William Lane Craig. To assume that all proponents of evolution champion the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis is absurd.
Very thorough and well done. I would have liked to hear you go through the new testament objections to homosexuality as well, but this is a great primer.
So much wisdom in this... It’s frustrating because I share vapid goofy memes and get bunches of likes, but then I share things like this and...crickets. I don’t live for social media feedback, but I do hope it’s at least planting seeds somewhere, somehow.
As a gay MARRIED man, I think the bigger question should be WHY did god choose to make some folks gay , and others not. BECUASE I can tell you point blank , I was this way as early as kindergarten......no childhood trauma , no molestation , no pre-deternining factors . I was gay at four and five . This has been my normal my entire life . And believe me , I did try to not be this way due to religion and "moral obligation ", and ended up making me miserable , and my ex wife miserable . So yeah....ask god why . Maybe that should be your focus 😡
I agree. The focus always seems to be on sex while deeper connections, such as love, are ignored or belittled (i.e. "You only THINK you love this person, but what you feel isn't true "love" because it's impossible between two men/women"). This is also not even getting into the original languages and how they do not translate directly into English. I have read the surviving parts of the Bible in their original languages, having been a Classical Archaeology major in college, and there really was no concept of homosexuality in the ancient Near East and Mediterranean cultures. In fact, the Leviticus passage had the word for prostitution and did not even mean what we understand as homosexuality today, though some people may argue against this. Anyway, arguments such as that homosexual sex is a base "beastly" desire willfully ignore that homosexual couples can love and care for each other in the same way as any heterosexual couple. My brother is gay. I always knew he was "different" even before I knew what "gay" was. He tried to hide it for so long, but honestly, he wasn't fooling anyone. It's just who he is. He told me when we were in high school multiple times that he hates how he feels and would give anything to make himself "normal." But he can't help that he doesn't find women attractive, physically or emotionally. Again, like you, no physical, emotional, or sexual abuse. We grew up in a happy, low 2nd class family. Tightknit extended family, etc. He's been happily married for 9 years now to my brother-in-law. They do not have children because they don't want them, which is fine. Love is not sex and sex is not love. Similarly, love is not lust and lust is not love. Conflating the two is where people lose me in this argument. No one will ever get me to believe that love is a sin. Why would God make someone gay and want them to live unhappily and incapable of loving their spouse? That makes no sense to me. Then you ruin not only your own life but also the life of your husband/wife. I don't believe God is cruel. I believe in God. I believe in the 10 commandments, and I believe in the 7 deadly sins. I believe Jesus was sent to Earth to die for our sins. However, I do not believe love is a sin. Lust is a sin, but not love. That is all. Have a good day.
You knew your sexual orientation at four?
God gave us all temptations, taking up our cross and giving up on worldly things to follow. Your sin is homosexuallity, mine would be drinking too much. Luckily I have Christ and haven't drank any in almost a year, but I have other vices too, Jesus is the only way to help with those things.
@@AgonizedCandle is quite possible to know your orientation at age 4, I knew I was gay in kindergarten as well. And the other boys were into girls so they knew their orientation as well.
@@colleenbrown92my orientation is not a sin just like your orientation is not a sin. the church needs to grow up when it comes to sexual orientation. just like it's beginning to grow up when it comes to racial reconciliation. The same church taught that because my skin is darker I had the curse of ham and I was supposed to be subject to other lighter skinned races. But slowly it's admitting that it was wrong and changing its ways. I'm not willing to wait another 50 years for the church to apologize to me and the rest of the lgbtq community for its discrimination. But there will be a reckoning and the church will have to atone for its behavior against the lgbtq community ❤
As someone who knows a lot about animal behaviors, I agree that, for the most part, we should not let animals determine what is acceptable for humans. However, I get frustrated with people equating rape to animal behaviors. Rape happens in the animal kingdom, but it's not the norm. It probably happens less among most animal species than with humans. It's often not acceptable even to animals.
That's why the males go through so much to attract the females. They dance, they call, they build elaborate homes, they show off, they give her food, they show submission, etc. With some spiders, the male encourages her to eat him while mating. The males are often at the mercy of the females as they seek mates. There are few exceptions like emus. But with emus, the males are 100 percent responsible for eggs and chicks.
With my chickens, when a rooster finds food he has this special cluck he'll do to call the hens and will let them have the food. In return, he usually gets to mate. Now, there are some roosters that will chase the hens intending to use force, but roosters will not likely pass on their genes like this. Often she will run to a more proper rooster who will defend her. Or if the offending rooster succeeds, she can expel his sperm. He will not get away with trying to take a shortcut. If he wants to pass on his genes, he can't force the girl. He has to properly win her over or he's just wasting energy.
But what if your neighbor bites your dog?
Bite his dog.
@@MikeWinger what do you think of leveticus 20:13 that advocates for the killing of gays not even a page away from Leviticus 18:22
Dude that was the best explanation I've ever heard.
That Gay people are hated by the imaginary God he chose to believe in? That they will burn in Hell for all eternity because they touched another man in an "icky" way according to God?
Thank you for stepping up.
Note it doesn’t mention women…
Had a mouthful of trail mix when you mentioned gluttony.
Lol
If what is mentioned in the Old Testament brought over to the New Testament then it applies to us today.
Speak for yourself
@@colinmatts He dosen't have to, he allowed the word Of God to speak for him. If you don't believe in the Bible then yes, feel free to disagree. Otherwise, you should come to terms with a truth that is so plainly expressed in the Bible.
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BARRY: "If what is mentioned in the Old Testament brought over to the New Testament then it applies to us today."
COLINMATTS: "Speak for yourself"
God does not change His mind and Jesus Christ is God so what was an abomination in the OT is still an abomination today.
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
@@rickdavis2235 Bigots never change their minds. That's why they're bigots
@@sbabywhine How do you know the bible is true?
I can’ t wait for the message on gluttony. When God’s grace, through the Scriptures, opened my eyes toward this sin and the worship of food, I came to an understanding of so many other idols in my life. Overeating is a gateway sin for me. OverIndulging the flesh is a self defeating battle against the Spirit, through Whom we are to lead holy and godly lives in Christ Jesus. The first sin in the Garden of Eden involved food. Surely, our attitude toward eating and appetite is no small thing. Please, Mike, do that video.
So good Mike! Yes please on the topic of gluttony! My soul needs to hear this.
Very good. Continue to be honest. Animals don't know any better, plus we are not animals. I suppose they should live their best life now if they don't want to accept it.
Human beings are not animals? you sir are wrong.
@@vincentranger09 Depends on what sense you mean it and how humanitarian you are
and animals do not follow the homophobic lifestyle, which shows homophobia is unatural.
My Dad's neighbour literally bit him so this was a good analogy for me...it was definitely worse for him than being bit by an animal...super shocking...funny enough he still required a tetanus shot though!
Two ideas come to mind... There is a difference between "homosexuality" and "same sex attraction" and the difference is rarely noted. Homosexuality is an identification and same sex attraction is a sexual desire. Everybody has desires and temptations to do things that they know are wrong and outside of Gods will and plan. I think adultry would be fun but I don't accept that it is right. That does not mean I won't fail and in a moment of weakness have sex outside of marriage. However, as a Christian I am unwilling to accept that, that behavior is good because I know it is unloving to God and my wife. I see same sex attraction in the same way. The difference between same sex attraction and homosexuality is that homosexuality does not resist the urges. They identify with the temptation and not only declare it as ok but as correct and loving. We as Christians have a very simple task if not easy. Trust in the Jesus and live as he taught (1st John 3). Christ taught love YHWH and live others. How can you claim love for YHWH and reject the very basics of the natural human design and function He created. Much less being formed by God as a male or female and deciding "I think better". Sometimes everybody feels like a twix and sometimes they don't. But no matter how you feel, part of faith is trusting that your creator knew what he was doing when he made you a male or female. Doubt, temptation, longings and desires are all natural and normal for Christians and non-Christians. Accepting something as right or just based upon feeling, desire or emotion is not acceptable in any culture, government, religion or society as proof of acceptability or correctness. That would be complete anarchy.
This logic is what leads people to kill others if gods word goes above human morality and people have to listen to his word what do you think of leveticus 20:13 not even a page away from Leviticus 18:22
@@guiden1954 I'm not sure I follow you. Do you think I'm wrong or right. I think same sex attraction can be a natural desire but not sin. Homosexuality is saying because I feel this way and its natural, its good. Lots of natural desires we have if fulfilled are outside of Gods will. As far as the Leviticus versus, they show homosexuality was not acceptable under the law. Did that help clear up my comment?
It’s good to ask people with nonsensical reasoning nonsensical questions like “hey can I just steal some of your stuff?” Or “how bout on Thursday I come over and trash your house?” And when they respond with the expected, ask “why not?” Really lean into the roots of their underlying hypocritical logic.
As a person who probably struggles with gluttony, the idea of you doing a series/message on that would be awesome!
PDTF
Brad Hambrick has good sermons on gluttony and anorexia.
Yes we all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. It was mentioned that divorce is sinful, however the bible also states that there is reason for divorce - unfaithfulness. Please be careful of how you speak about this. Coming from a previous marriage where my husband was horribly abusive and also commited adultery regularly, I feel justified in removing myself from that marriage. I stayed in that marriage far too long because of the SDA church teachings about marriage. I am remarried and feel I am forgiven even though I was the one that endured the abuse.
Have sinned and we all are called to stop sinning and become new creation, grace grace us that oppportunity to become holy and not pay for our past sin.
It's very sad to deny people love because of what was written in a book
“He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.” - Proverbs 28:9
I think Evangelicals should take stock of all the laws they don't want to listen to and then worry about the planks in their own eye. When people come to faith they have to deal with the things that they do that they feel compelled to get in alignment with God's will vs their own.
People like to give wishy washy speeches about "different types" of laws and who they think the laws applied to, but I have yet to see an Evangelical pull out a complete list of all 600+ laws with all the ones they like highlighted and all the ones they don't think they need to follow crossed out. It's easier to wave hands than to take an honest look at how far we fall from keeping the law and how completely disinterested so many Christians are in the law. They just enjoy judging others while telling Jesus that they themselves have kept all the laws since birth.
Christians would do well to stop worrying about using the law to judge and instead dive into the law to see how we can be better. I enjoy studying the law because it is the personal development section of the Bible. Until you read and understand Psalm 119, I think it's impossible to have the right attitude about the law which is why so many people get mired in their pet judgements about what other people are doing.
Still not as bad as the liberals. There's a culture war going on and no one has need of wishy washy types like you anymore. Either join them or shut up. It was our lack of judgement and enforcement that has allowed this hell on earth to come.
The reason some people say homosexuality is present in animals is because Christians usually say homosexuality is not natural in the first place. So it's just a response, not something someone would use in a debate as an argument.
Yesss, can't wait to see your video about gluttony!
My daughter is gay, not her choice, or ours, but at the end of the day,
God made you, God made me, He loves both of us. End of story.
I have a gay daughter too Diane. One 'turned out' gay, the other straight. Go figure... I agree with your comments 100% - but the only thing I would add (and not sure where you would stand with this), is that - as parents - we also made a conscious decision to equally CELEBRATE both of our daughters romantic relationships. Just adding this, as many 'Christians' would say the same things you said, but still choose to only celebrate and support the heteronormative relationships...
So he made most people fornicators? Most people adulterous?
Poor logic, we are told not to follow our heart.
Man centered theology you have there, you can't change what God clearly says.
Luke 6:46 and 1st Corinthians
@@nicholasgee9127 if your version of God makes handicapped children and babies and yup he does and if your version of God makes stupid people and he does and if your version of God makes everything He makes gay people right? Then condemns gay but not disabled people who can’t pick up the cross and follow? None of this makes sense. I honestly but believe that the prohibition of being gay is mostly due to butts in the seat and in the army. I think that the having large families was a necessity in ancient times because people died so easily from minor injuries diseases and lack of proper nutrition. Other than that really why would the most powerful being in your version of the universe care at all about trivial things like being gay or any of the other assortment of so-called sins. The idea of a supreme being focusing on Such things makes little sense but it totally makes sense for a king or general to need heterosexuals to have babies. It makes sense for religious figures to have people have babies for the tith and donations. It makes sense when you think about it from a human point of view instead of a supreme being who has nothing better to do than worry about who’s eating white or sleeping with you or any of the other sins. Maybe if he focused less on gay and more on starving children or abused elderly or a host of other more seemingly impactful sins or the needs of his people… The world will be much better off period. Again the priorities and battles you wage speak volumes
I have same sex attraction, God did not make me this way, nor did I wake up one day and decide I like guys. Everyone is born under the curse of sin which is why everyone needs salvation through Christ.
@@jomess7879 I feel so so bad for you. There is more than this ‘shame’ gospel u r speaking about. But without it - western Christianity is lost. Read up on Eastern Orthodox Christianity. They don’t subscribe to the ‘original sin’ horrors, but ‘original blessing’ instead. Western Christianity is all about being rescued from sin, and telling us over and over and over again that we are all wretched pieces of crap. It’s sickening. John’s gospel is ALL about love. That is why Jesus came. Not just so god could love what he himself created but couldn’t love without killing his own son. How sick is that??? It’s all about love. And THAT changes EVERYTHING.
I think one reason why "abomination" is a trigger word is because people who claim to be Christians have used it to justify harming gay folks. When we answer people, we have to acknowledge that. Then teach how gay folks should be treated, those outside the church and those that want to be inside
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If someone would harm another person for their sin, they aren't a Christian. Claiming to be a Christian and actually being a Christian are two very different things. There are plenty of verses in scripture that talk about hatred.
I converted to Christianity while in a same-sex relationship. It took me a long time to understand that Christians didn't hate me. My then partner never quite got it. I'm now married to a man, but I pray for my LGBT friends daily.
I’m in a same-sex relationship & I’m a Christian as well. The congregation of my church is aware of my sexual orientation, as are some of the elders & our lead pastor. Not one of them are angry with me for loving who I choose to love. In fact, my boyfriend became deaf in one ear, and my pastor & I prayed for him in the hopes that his ear gets healed.
Some suggest that the term “abomination” indicates that same-sex behavior is particularly egregious, but we widely accept other practices that were called abominations: charging interest on loans (Ezekiel 18:13), burning incense (Isaiah 1:13), and eating pork, rabbit, and shellfish. (Deuteronomy 14:3-21).
Mike: We don't talk about the subject of gluttony enough.
Me: Eating a fiery double famous star meal, large, with a soda.
My response to, "animals do it," has always been, "yeah, and dogs will eat their own crap."
Oooh, yes, gluttony really REALLY needs to be talked about. If you do address gluttony, can you also speak to eating a lot of food for a specific purpose? For instance, is it still gluttony for athletes, or those with high metabolism, to eat tons of food? Or is gluttony only eating more than you need to excess? Or, is gluttony really the worship of food?
I think that gluttony is greed in regards to food. Someone who is very physically active or have a high metabolism needs to consume more calories, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are gluttonous. Gluttony also shows a lack of self control.
Well we know anything in excessive is not good and a lot of things in excessive is sin. So yes eating too much can hurt you very bad and there will be consequences for it. But I believe when Jesus was talking about gluttony it didn’t mean eating too much it was more targeted towards someone who would not share food with another another words he didn’t care for his brother enough to share food. And that’s what I believe Jesus was pondering on not actual eating too much
The passage on homosexuality...etc is one of the passages that convinces me that these words were written by men and not any God. The idea that a God with the power to create the universe and everything in it would care so much about two people of the same sex loving each other and having sex is just so unconvincing.
God shouldn’t care? It’s because he cares, you were able to have life. Imagine if he didn’t care if your dad chose to be hateful and abuse another mans body instead be loving to use sperm for moral and purposeful reason. You need to be more grateful. You are saying god shouldn’t care if system of life he created and you benefited from are protected.
@@benedibrava wish your dad was gay.
Sin corrupted the world. The world is cursed with decay, death and sin. So, God created the world that way. Why? Because man chose judgment over life. So, generally, our sins are a product of the fallen world, and that's also why there's suffering. Which, the moral argument is that "If it causes suffering, it shouldn't be moral." Homosexuality causes suffering, by corrupting people's personalities and making them very selfish, and also it destroys the sense people have of the Universal Way. Which, if people don't have that sense, they do very wicked things, of which Homosexuality is second from the very beginning, which is divorce and unfaithfulness in marriage.
Mike, Godbless you! I love your videos! I do want to ask if you can do a video about dress code for church.
Like does the dress code have to be Collar shirts, dressing pants, and dressing shoes? Like is that the only formal way to dress at church ?
Proverbs 6:16-19 lists seven things which are also abominations: "haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
The attraction i have for women is so natural...that ..idk i truely believe god made me to be this way and i have no logical reasoning...just a feeling i have..
Are people born with addictions given a free pass to do drugs with impunity? Of course not. They are told that, while difficult, they will need to overcome this innate part of themselves. I'm truly sympathetic to what you're going through, but that doesn't mean you should give into it. There's a man in the comments above who realized this after living in sin for 20 years. I pray you can someday come to the same realizations he did.
@@Doc-Holliday1851 its something im truely conflicted with..like with drugs okay...i can see why clearly giving into addiction can lead to a life of poverty, sickness, you can clearly see consequences that prove that its just a horrible lifestyle..but neither the bible...nor in life have i seen how living a life of loving someone monogomously whether they be a male of female...seeing that some of these monogamous homosexual relationships give homes to children that were abused, abandoned , or turned over to the state is incredibly inspiring..loving someone truely for who they are ..i just do not see the negative consequences..and while..yes..i understand there type of lifestyles may lead to sexual transmitted diseases..i also see that consequence on the heterosexual side as well. I while yes there are non-monogemous relationships on the homosexual side..this also happens in a heterosexual aspect as well...
@@Doc-Holliday1851 no one is born with an addiction to do drugs unless the mother chose to. I don't think you are sympathetic to connect drug abuse to LGBT folk.
@@voiceofreason466 If God made you gay, so be it!
@@voiceofreason466 Thanks for replying in a reasonable fashion. I know this is an incredibly touchy subject and tempers can flair easily so I appreciate your response. This is an incredibly complex topic so my response is necessarily going to have to be long, and honestly this isnt even half of what I could say on the subject. and unfortunately youtube has flagged my channel for instant deletion for any post I make around this topic because I hold a non-google approved opinion. So the best I can do is say that there are obvious problems for both the individual and society.
on the issue of society. the reasons a person might end up this way seem to be similar to the reasons a person might end up addicted, which is why I used that as an example. Experiments have been done, and in conjunction with historical record we can see that when societies collapse rates of sexual and social divergence goes up. And it seems to be that the failure of the society first fuels this increase in divergence, then the divergence fuels the failure in a kind of feed back loop. I mean consider for a moment that we got marriage equality in 2015 and within a handful of years we've seen everything from underage strippers to the absolute and socially accepted destruction of basic definitions of sex and gender. It's obviously not good for society.
As for the individual. people who live in this fashion self report FAR higher rates of depression, and this is self reporting is independent of how the society they live in views them. The rate of mental disorders beyond depression is also extremely high. Things like bipolar disorder and even schizophrenia are vastly disproportionate to the rest of the population. Self harm within certain subgroups of the community are likewise extremely high, and again, this is the case whether or not the society around them is accepting. aside from much higher rates of non-monogamy as you pointed out, domestic abuse is far higher. All of this combined with the well established party scene and the fact that a majority of people within the community perform some level of body modification, ranging from the somewhat reasonable to the absolutely grotesque and I think its clear that this isn't good for the individual either.
11:09. Be careful with this one. I believe that homosexuality has become a bigger topic, but not at the doing of Christianity. The church has not sought this out as some random cause to inflate. Rather, the world has and the world has demanded that sin be declared as not sin. This demands a response. We just don't see that with the other sins listed in Romans and other places. Nobody has to give sermons on why adultery really is a sin or why sleeping with prostitutes really is a sin. Homosexuality is pretty unique here. Winger gets it 100% right at 11:57.
8:50 No Being nice about problematic doctrine does not make your behavior any less Problematic, it is condescending.
Yes please make a video on glutenie! Something I constantly battle with too and I actually just brush it off!
I’ve never seen Romans 1 refuted with any level of credibility. It’s the go to on homosexuality.
3 homophobes in one vid, Im reporting this
Call Christian homophobes while report them, that means you are christophobe. Hypocrisy. You report instead thank these warriors who fought for the system which gave you life. Repent you are very ungrateful
@@benedibrava no such thing as christphobia except to homophobics maybe?
@@pastorbri no such thing as homophobes then either, you aren’t the only one who can play that game lol
@@sassafras8677 and yet there are......so ya lost that one.
@@pastorbri then I guess there are christophobes. We could do this all day
Towards the end the conversation about lying, divorce, etc. The reason why homosexuality is discussed more and has a more negative stigma is because divorcee's, liars, etc are not marching in the streets demanding their rights!
Your logic is what leads people to kill others if gods word goes above human morality and people have to listen to his word what do you think of leveticus 20:13 not even a page away from Leviticus 22:18
@@guiden1954 the OT Law for the Jewish people at that time is not practiced here in the USA or the World. Not sure what point you are trying to make?
@@elitedrumlessons6174 so by that logic homosexuality is fine
@@guiden1954 it's forbidden in the New Testament also. We just don't kill people who practice it
@@elitedrumlessons6174 okay so again homosexuality is fine cause in New Testament Jesus is very adamant about not judging people like homosexuals for example the adulter was not only not stoned but forgiven unless you think homosexuality is worse then adultery wish is dumb
I find it strange that you pick and choose verses out of the OT , but not the whole thing .
Just what fits your opinion.
Not eating swine is in there also .
Well I think what I see is these passages he mentions in the OT are echoed by Paul and (more subtly) Jesus in the new testament. Jesus fulfilled the old testament law so there is a new covenant now and that's the beauty of a lot of new testament theology. We should never pick and choose verses but rather form as much of an understanding (albeit small in the infinite greatness of God) as to how the verses build each other up. You have to see what was contextual, repeated, cultural, etc... to start to form grounded theology. I don't agree with Mike on everything but he forms his beliefs in a biblical way which is a good practice, and I think the argument he makes here is in no way guilty of cherry picking. Have a good day and God bless!
You find that strange? Had you never heard a "Christian" before?
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Just a lead statement .
They do it all the time .
Certain laws were for Jews only, the not eating swine is one. In fact, God ended that law Himself in a vision to Peter. However, the doctrine that marriage is between one man and one woman and that sex is only for marriage is a doctrine that predates the ot law and is repeated after the ot law was done away with.
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Do a little more reading , it is not about unclean food at all .
Acts 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Three times and three men , non Israelites .
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I think the approach on these subjects is best following the “woman at the well” encounter. Jesus didn’t speak with condemnation but spoke of her son as simple fact. I understand she was more receptive because what she was doing wasn’t culturally acceptable as it was but it’s the love that’s important.
What’s your approach to pedophile on action? Watch the hypocrisy
Approach is tell the truth, nothing but the truth , not try to be politically correct, unless you are from the world but from God
can I ask ask you Christians something? Do you find anything inherently immoral in a safe, loyal and loving homosexual partnership?
I mean do you find any objections to it other than it being against the Bible?
If we imagine an alternative universe with the same God etc, but with no mention of homosexuality in the Bible, and with no genders being mentioned at all? How would you then view this kind of loving safe-sex practicing homosexual relationship?
@John Dutton that sounds EXTREMELY concerning.. do not share that around. That man is deceived or a liar.
@John Dutton NDEs are not a liable source, certainly not when they don't align with scripture. I myself have been there, and the "revelation" I received was nothing more than psychosis ramblings. We can't be so easily fooled, John.
Honestly. I think it's to do with the fact that homosexual relationships cannot be 'blessed' with children. Children are considered very important for a lot of reasons in most old cultures not just Christianity. It's only through the advent of science that homosexuals can realise a lot of their desires. So by that logic you could argue that it's not natural and your killing off your family name and the things God has tried to birth here on earth through your family. So, some people would argue that sex is not entirely about reproduction, well it's true that it's more complicated than most of the animal kingdom, but by and large you should also observe that human Children need there parents for a lot longer in order to survive to adulthood, so while pair bonds are about more than sex, it's still about protecting the offspring, it's not desirable for a man to have to use his resources (which in days gone by would have been harder to come by) to support offspring that is not his own... So i think there's a practical element to what is said in the bible, which is ripe with words like abomination all throughout. So, that my thoughts on why there might be a practical element to what is in the bible. All that being said, i agree with Mike winger when he says it's become impossible to talk about these things no matter how nice you are, but i also acknowledge that there are Christians out there who have been outright abusive about this.
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Thank you for taking the time to give a thoughtful response.
It seems to me that most of your answer is a speculation why it's in the Bible and less so why you find it immoral.
But my takeaway is that you find it immoral on account of lack of reproduction.
Following this line of thought, would it also be immoral for my wife and I to decide not to have babies, and just look after our nieces and nephews instead?
@@esbensteen5412 i just wrote a long response to that and it got removed. Sigh. All I can say is that i found it easier to understand when i removed our sense of morality out of it, because the bible says we are all immoral and looked at these things and asked what is the practical application of it. How does it prevent harm to us or increase our life? I'm sorry i can't say more.
Fellow homosexuals, we are just fine.
I left religion in 1980, at 20, and never looked back. Love yourselves, and honor the path you've been chosen for.
Within you is your guidance. Meditate in stillness, and your path will be illuminated.
To ease your mind, Jesus NEVER mentions anything about homosexuality, never. Nor his brother, James. Nor the disciple whom Jesus loved, John. Nor Simon Peter. Only Paul does, and we are lacking historical context, but I can assure you, we homosexuals are not offensive to what is right. Being YOU, at your essence, is always right. YOU are your path. Rejoice in it!
In Jewish Scripture, Sodom is often mistakenly associated with homosexuality, likely because of bigotry by people who are hypocrites. Scripture says in Jeremiah 23.14 that their sins were adultery, deceit, injustice and unrepentance; and in Ezekiel 16.49 that their sins were pride and arrogance, and that they lacked compassion. Homosexuality is never mentioned.
As for the laws of Moses, man shall not lie with another man, well, this one is simple. Moses lists many other laws there. Let's see if the hypocrites observe THOSE OTHER laws:
It's an abomination to eat shellfish.
It's an abomination to cut your hair.
It's an abomination to be tattooed.
It's an abomination to eat pork.
It's an abomination for a husband to have sex with his wife within the seven day period after she menstruates.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
I would recommend that you not associate with people who discriminate against homosexuals. They are dyed-in-the-wool hypocrites.
Love yourselves, and love others. It is this that fulfills the law, not being this or that.
Paul is the one who says:
The kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace and joy.
To the pure, all things are pure.
And Jesus himself said:
It is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what proceeds out of his heart that defiles him.
Be pure of heart, and be yourself!
Love and Light!
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Thank you for your opinion.
@aaronmichaels807
How valuable is the opinion founded upon insight.
Look within.
This is the teaching of Jesus, and of all who can truly see.
@@daodejing81 This post is simply wrong on many levels. Jesus does address human sexuality and gives us the design - one man, one woman for life. Scripture repeatedly and consistently condemns homosexuality. It’s clear and unequivocal.
@matthewreedy5742
That is YOUR interpretation, not Jesus' teaching.
Jesus never addresses homosexuality.
Only a bigot would find proof where none exists to support his intolerance. The problem lies with YOUR bigotry. Jesus spoke at length about that.
Christianity uses the name Jesus to support its hypocrisy, its bigotry, it's divisiveness. In reality, most Christians do not know the teachings of Jesus. His teachings run contrary to Christianity.
"You are Gods."
Jesus
Funny how you guys always say "well the word abomination in this context means something different". Clever how you can "modernize" scripture. Interesting how you guys say "well the bible says this, but it really means that". You are making this up as you go along...it's so obvious.
“What is the right approach?” Struggle with this often!
Everyday!! Every single day...🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
Just my experience -
My gay neighbour was a good man, a friendly character, whose partner died with HIV, and his own health was slowly failing him.
We never lectured him.
He knew that we were Christians, due to other things we talked about.
My wife cooked meals for him, up until the time of a major operation he needed.
On the night I delivered this last meal, we happened to start talking about God and matters of faith, politely.
One final conversation suggested that he'd turned (back?) to Jesus.
He died on the operating table.
He was a friend of mine.
"Well, then, who is my neighbour?!"
@@jasonayres if gods word goes above human morality and people have to listen to his word what do you think of leveticus 20:13 not even page away from 18:22 according to your beliefs and the people you support your neighbor should be stoned to death is that okay to you
@@guiden1954 I'll take that as a statement.
to avoid homophobia is the right approach
My divorce was my deliverance. You boys need to go on over and listen to some Dr. David Clarke vids. God bless you, each.