Fellow Canadian here, but I can answer your math/maths question: it's a standard rule of abbreviation. When you abbreviate a plural word, you put an "s" on the end of the abbreviation. Mathematics is plural because there are several distinct fields of study -- algebra, geometry, calculus, etc -- all collectively known as mathematics. Thus, mathematics is abbreviated as maths in the same way that avenues is abbreviated as "aves".
@@travelwell6049 I have no idea why the American way is to say math instead of maths other than that American English is usually more about simplicity than making sense. There are many American English words which contravene conventional rules of English grammar. This is just one more.
But also Math Class rolls off the tongue while Mathuhsuh Class sounds like a drunkard stammering. Ths is not a normal consonant cluster, your tongue has to do like a damn flip around your teeth
It absolutely is singular. Not every word that ends in an s is plural. Would you say "Maths are interesting"? No. You'd use the singular verb form _is_ because _maths_ is a singular noun.
UK bank notes are polymer now too... well, we still have paper 20s and 50s alongside their polymer counterparts but the paper ones wont be legal tender from September 2022.
Stephen Fry did a show about the 100 best inventions. Printing press was pretty close to the top. I think the cigarette lighter he chose as the top. He was telling a story about some adventurers landing a helicopter on some remote place where just a few hundred people lived totally cut off from the rest of the world. They'd been visited sometime in the 1800s but since then no one. One of the film crew took out a cigarette and used a lighter to light it. They were all amazed. They took a few of the village elders to show them the helicopter. The elders were not interested. They said, in broken language they'd got from the early explorers, "But, of course you can fly. You can carry fire in your pocket"... And that's why Stephen said it was the greatest invention. Not exactly that, but best I can remember.
6 of Clubs trick really easy. that is not 1 plastic see through bag. there is 2, one inside the other. The full decks get put into one bag and as he's shaking them he drops a few 6 of clubs, about 10 into the other bag behind the other. When he gets them to pick out a card he makes sure they pick out of the bag with the 6's in. They feel a few so it seems right.
*FINGERS AND FUMBS* needs to go into the queue. I even used to use in classes I taught. But, also, if you want a good one with Sandi as a panelist, *GIRLS AND BOYS* is top-notch and contains a few things you'll be mentioning to people casually forever. It also has Jack Dee who fires off one of the most perfect in-moment interjections in the show's history.
Aye M was Stephen's last series. If you'd like more of Aisling series N episode Noisy Noses is a good one, you get added doses of Ross Noble and the front man of Slipknot Corey Taylor. Seeing you enjoy Qi so much makes my day honestly, enjoy!
Corey was an absolute gem on that episode, and unexpectedly hilarious. Screaming "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" to an imaginary toddler and getting a slap on the wrist from Sandi for swearing was not on my bingo card that year.
Yes, Stephen's anecdote about the pronunciation of Pythagoras has been brought up before. But also the cormorant fact about counting to 8. That time Alan went into a routine doing an impression of the cormorant as it counts the fishes.
The taking an average from all guesses is usually a lot closer that what was shown. When I first saw this episode I thought they were showing how wrong a group was. But it turned out they were trying to show that group averages are usually pretty good. It's just that this time it wasn't as close as they wanted. But, they kept it in rather than fake a closer answer like some other lower shows might have done.
I always thought we called it maths because we are taught all the branch's of maths in single maths lessons (just called Maths class), while in Canada/America you're taught individual branch's of maths in their own classes (Algebra class, Geometry class, Trigonometry class etc...).
18:48 I just wanna say that Pythagoras lived centuries before Euclid. So Stephen stating that Euclid demonstrated it before him is kinda bollocks. Still, we now that the theorem was used before Pythagoras and we don't know at all if it was used by Pythagoras at all, we know fuck all about him.
I think Sandi was the second-most frequent female guest during the Fry era, only behind Jo Brand. Another of my favorite of her appearances was Series I, Episode 9, Inland Revenue. It sounds like a dull subject, but it's far from the only topic in the episode. Nothing outrageous, just fun.
Sandi has been a guest panellist 16 times, but seeing as she’s the host now, she’ll probably be overtaken by Aisling Bea, who’s on 15 and has been in at least one episode of every series since series L.
@@PokerJoker811 I know, that why I said she probably won’t have anymore appearances as a panellist. To date, Jo Brand has 39 episode, Sandi has 16 and Aisling has 15. Sue Perkins also has 15, but she hasn’t appeared since series M.
In the tossing two heads question You have 2 heads 2 tails and A tail and a head So i can see where a third is coming from because you can get three outcomes,
I don't know if you're a fan of Jason Manford but his series of the animals with human voice overs that is really cute.. And Jason on the Masked Singer is really amazing. I think he was on the first season. Sue Perkins was on one of following seasons.
Do you do mathematic? I did mathematics at school. The type of computer games I play benefit from doing some simple mathematics, while I pulled out some more complex maths to figure out where the sun would hit my house windows at the solstices and equinoxes, to keep them shaded in Summer and full of light in Winter.
"Mathematics" is singular and plural. "Math" and "maths" are both suitable and can be used to distinguish between referring to the discipline as a single field or as a group of sub-fields. The diversity within a single language (there are MANY Englishes) is exciting without being competitive and the standards in each variety are always changing.
I'm confused as to how Euclid demonstrated the theorem before Pythagoras did, given that he was born about 200 years after Pythagoras died. This seems like such a huge error that I must be missing something, can anyone clarify?
Alan may have been overthinking things with the 1 in 3 odds. It's a common conditional probability example where you say something like. If I flip 2 coins and tell you at least one of them is heads, what are the odds that both of them are heads" in which case 1 in 3 is the right answer. He may have remembered hearing something like that, not remembered the details and just tried to guess it was not the obvious 1 in 4 just because it's QI
I've not used cash in about 5 years. But in my wallet I have £200 in £10 notes and 200Euro, in 10Euro notes.. So I know that no matter how drunk I get, if I still have my wallet, I can always get home.
Was this your first Susan Calman episode? She was a semi-regular on a few panal shows, always entertaining. People do seem to have a problem with probabilities in particular, and I include myself.
My favorite misunderstood probability puzzle is the Monty Hall problem. It's so counterintuitive that I was genuinely angry about it for a long time before I saw a good explanation of it. The key to the whole thing is that people usually don't recognize that it is _not_ a problem of pure chance.
There is no singular or plural in maths for the same reason that there's no singular or plural in physics. You can have plural physics tests but. Maths is just a concept of what type of a problem that's being solved.
Science has shown, that if you allow enough guesses, children and retirees, so to speak, one saying 2 and the other 50 000 000 000. The median will end up quite correctly. And the toss of the coin always 50/50.
Neil: and we have Sandi as a guest for this episode! Me: OMFG the bananas!!!! Haven’t watched yet, I hope I’m right 😁 Edit: it was not the bananas. But it was still good!
If maths is math, why aren't politics and ethics politic and ethic? For that matter, surely physics should be physic. It's weird that on that side of the Atlantic, you remove the s arbitrarily from just one of those things.
Math as a word is pointless, you may aswell say number. maths is short for mathematics which operates as a plural therfore the shortening of the word should convey the full meaning of the word, maths is the best way to show its full intent. yes mathematics is used as a singular but it's only used that way because there is no actual singular form of the word as its functionally a plural... also that's how it was translated into English 😆.
There is more than one subject of mathematics and the word mathematics is plural so its obvious to abbreviate the word to maths. Math is an awful unrealistic abbreviation, maybe again thought up by Webster.
You don't say mathematic.. You say mathematics.. Maths is more than one discipline.. Hence maths.. You've just got use to saying math.. To us it illogical in the singular..
Unfortunately we here see -Sandy- Sandi being wrong and arrogant about it, like she was wrong and arrogant, when she was patronizing Lee Mack with the painted eyes 'following' you. -Sandy- Sandi says 'it is not an anagram because it is an aptagram'. To be an aptagram it has to be an anagram. All aptagrams are anagrams, but not all anagrams are aptagrams.
And just watched further and I forgot she contradict herself right after, where she agrees with the point I just made. She says "an aptagram is an anagram that...". To begin with she should instead of saying "it is not an anagram..." she should have said something more like "it is even an aptagram".
Fellow Canadian here, but I can answer your math/maths question: it's a standard rule of abbreviation. When you abbreviate a plural word, you put an "s" on the end of the abbreviation. Mathematics is plural because there are several distinct fields of study -- algebra, geometry, calculus, etc -- all collectively known as mathematics. Thus, mathematics is abbreviated as maths in the same way that avenues is abbreviated as "aves".
You only explained why one does one, not why the other does t’other.
@@travelwell6049 I have no idea why the American way is to say math instead of maths other than that American English is usually more about simplicity than making sense. There are many American English words which contravene conventional rules of English grammar. This is just one more.
Yes,, reading is singular but mathematics which maths is short for isn't singular
But also Math Class rolls off the tongue while Mathuhsuh Class sounds like a drunkard stammering. Ths is not a normal consonant cluster, your tongue has to do like a damn flip around your teeth
@@Xanderj89 na that's jus your American tongue...👀🤷♂️😂
Also, we'd just say we've got maths,no need to add the class on the end
@@makaveliuk86 exactly mate, I’ve maths next! Who would say maths class next? That just sounds weird
It absolutely is singular. Not every word that ends in an s is plural. Would you say "Maths are interesting"? No. You'd use the singular verb form _is_ because _maths_ is a singular noun.
It’s mathematics. Maths is short for mathematics, obviously.
this and the fact that there are different branches of mathematics (algebra, geometry, calculus, etc.)
Exactly what I was going to say - math would, obviously, be the abbreviation for mathematic, not mathematics.
Jimmy Carr as a great joke about the difference between maths and math...it's here on YT...from 8 out of 10 cats...
I’m a physicist. I get it easy because nobody says “physic”. But that raises the question; why Math.
@@dizzypro4974 There are also different branches of chemistry, it's still not called chemistries.
UK bank notes are polymer now too... well, we still have paper 20s and 50s alongside their polymer counterparts but the paper ones wont be legal tender from September 2022.
You don't say mathematic you say mathematics, so why does a plural become a singular in shortening?
QIXL Killers with Sandi Toksvig, Trevor Noah and Jason Manford is good one. You'll love Sandi even more as a guest.
Stephen Fry did a show about the 100 best inventions. Printing press was pretty close to the top. I think the cigarette lighter he chose as the top. He was telling a story about some adventurers landing a helicopter on some remote place where just a few hundred people lived totally cut off from the rest of the world. They'd been visited sometime in the 1800s but since then no one. One of the film crew took out a cigarette and used a lighter to light it. They were all amazed. They took a few of the village elders to show them the helicopter.
The elders were not interested. They said, in broken language they'd got from the early explorers, "But, of course you can fly. You can carry fire in your pocket"... And that's why Stephen said it was the greatest invention. Not exactly that, but best I can remember.
6 of Clubs trick really easy. that is not 1 plastic see through bag. there is 2, one inside the other. The full decks get put into one bag and as he's shaking them he drops a few 6 of clubs, about 10 into the other bag behind the other. When he gets them to pick out a card he makes sure they pick out of the bag with the 6's in. They feel a few so it seems right.
Neil you are quick with your answers dude,
*FINGERS AND FUMBS* needs to go into the queue. I even used to use in classes I taught. But, also, if you want a good one with Sandi as a panelist, *GIRLS AND BOYS* is top-notch and contains a few things you'll be mentioning to people casually forever. It also has Jack Dee who fires off one of the most perfect in-moment interjections in the show's history.
Loved "Girls and Boys", Jack's one liner was priceless, especially since Ronnie's joke was going nowhere.
Aye M was Stephen's last series. If you'd like more of Aisling series N episode Noisy Noses is a good one, you get added doses of Ross Noble and the front man of Slipknot Corey Taylor.
Seeing you enjoy Qi so much makes my day honestly, enjoy!
Corey was an absolute gem on that episode, and unexpectedly hilarious. Screaming "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" to an imaginary toddler and getting a slap on the wrist from Sandi for swearing was not on my bingo card that year.
@@kylegacy Honestly that was brilliant 🤣🤣. Along with the frog on helium impression twas a banging time 🤣
Yes, Stephen's anecdote about the pronunciation of Pythagoras has been brought up before. But also the cormorant fact about counting to 8. That time Alan went into a routine doing an impression of the cormorant as it counts the fishes.
Loved the limerick! All in all, a fun episode. Thank you. Cheers!
Our money is plastic too, we followed the example of the Australians when they first switched to plastics money.
On episode 7 of series G you can find Sandi again - that episode includes one of the best punch lines of all time
The taking an average from all guesses is usually a lot closer that what was shown. When I first saw this episode I thought they were showing how wrong a group was. But it turned out they were trying to show that group averages are usually pretty good. It's just that this time it wasn't as close as they wanted. But, they kept it in rather than fake a closer answer like some other lower shows might have done.
I always thought we called it maths because we are taught all the branch's of maths in single maths lessons (just called Maths class), while in Canada/America you're taught individual branch's of maths in their own classes (Algebra class, Geometry class, Trigonometry class etc...).
Mathematics, like physics!! Totally makes sense!!
I'm sure susan calman before turning to comedy was a solicitor so she is a smart cookie also. :)
Shows that Sandi Toksvig was the perfect l person to take over.
18:48 I just wanna say that Pythagoras lived centuries before Euclid. So Stephen stating that Euclid demonstrated it before him is kinda bollocks.
Still, we now that the theorem was used before Pythagoras and we don't know at all if it was used by Pythagoras at all, we know fuck all about him.
You should watch the episode "Quest: Part 1" It's one of my favorites. Phil Jupitus is in top form
I think Sandi was the second-most frequent female guest during the Fry era, only behind Jo Brand. Another of my favorite of her appearances was Series I, Episode 9, Inland Revenue. It sounds like a dull subject, but it's far from the only topic in the episode. Nothing outrageous, just fun.
Sandi has been a guest panellist 16 times, but seeing as she’s the host now, she’ll probably be overtaken by Aisling Bea, who’s on 15 and has been in at least one episode of every series since series L.
@@djrizla420 I specified "during the Fry era."
@@PokerJoker811 I know, that why I said she probably won’t have anymore appearances as a panellist. To date, Jo Brand has 39 episode, Sandi has 16 and Aisling has 15. Sue Perkins also has 15, but she hasn’t appeared since series M.
In the tossing two heads question
You have
2 heads
2 tails and
A tail and a head
So i can see where a third is coming from because you can get three outcomes,
I don't know if you're a fan of Jason Manford but his series of the animals with human voice overs that is really cute.. And Jason on the Masked Singer is really amazing. I think he was on the first season. Sue Perkins was on one of following seasons.
Do you do mathematic? I did mathematics at school. The type of computer games I play benefit from doing some simple mathematics, while I pulled out some more complex maths to figure out where the sun would hit my house windows at the solstices and equinoxes, to keep them shaded in Summer and full of light in Winter.
"Mathematics" is singular and plural. "Math" and "maths" are both suitable and can be used to distinguish between referring to the discipline as a single field or as a group of sub-fields. The diversity within a single language (there are MANY Englishes) is exciting without being competitive and the standards in each variety are always changing.
Think Principale Mathmatica. So the pural should be Matha for the classicists ?
I was in the audience for this one :)
In fact you can see me in one of the audience cutaways, heh
Maths is plural because there's more than one
You say that you use "math" over there,but right before you said that, "I am a maths nerd"...🤔😂
It's not readings or literatures but it is mathematics 😋
Yes and smells like curry powder and we've now added plastic to the UK notes.
You answered your own question. It's not literatures, but it is mathematics, not mathematic
I'd suggest watching all Sean Lock episodes he was always hilarious.
Mother in Law -> Hitler woman. My favorite anagram.
I'm confused as to how Euclid demonstrated the theorem before Pythagoras did, given that he was born about 200 years after Pythagoras died. This seems like such a huge error that I must be missing something, can anyone clarify?
Have you ever reacted to Derren Brown?
Alan may have been overthinking things with the 1 in 3 odds. It's a common conditional probability example where you say something like. If I flip 2 coins and tell you at least one of them is heads, what are the odds that both of them are heads" in which case 1 in 3 is the right answer. He may have remembered hearing something like that, not remembered the details and just tried to guess it was not the obvious 1 in 4 just because it's QI
I've not used cash in about 5 years. But in my wallet I have £200 in £10 notes and 200Euro, in 10Euro notes.. So I know that no matter how drunk I get, if I still have my wallet, I can always get home.
Was this your first Susan Calman episode? She was a semi-regular on a few panal shows, always entertaining.
People do seem to have a problem with probabilities in particular, and I include myself.
My favorite misunderstood probability puzzle is the Monty Hall problem. It's so counterintuitive that I was genuinely angry about it for a long time before I saw a good explanation of it. The key to the whole thing is that people usually don't recognize that it is _not_ a problem of pure chance.
I enjoy hearing her on ISIHAC.
There is no singular or plural in maths for the same reason that there's no singular or plural in physics. You can have plural physics tests but. Maths is just a concept of what type of a problem that's being solved.
It's mathematics, therefore maths
Science has shown, that if you allow enough guesses, children and retirees, so to speak, one saying 2 and the other 50 000 000 000. The median will end up quite correctly. And the toss of the coin always 50/50.
Neil: and we have Sandi as a guest for this episode!
Me: OMFG the bananas!!!!
Haven’t watched yet, I hope I’m right 😁
Edit: it was not the bananas. But it was still good!
The bananas are in the pipeline.
@@NeilTalks is this some kind of code phrase
@@NeilTalks "Look man, I ain't fallin' for no banana in my pipeline!"
I can't remember the last time I used physical money to pay for anything.
Our money is also plastic now!
Maths is short for mathmatics. It is not short for mathmatic. Hence the maths. Pretty obvious really. ;)
We have plastc now
UK money has now gone plastic also
"almost every bank note has traces of cocaine" - how is that global 'war on drugs' going?
Yeh they've made ours plastic now
Mathematics
Arithmetic
Physics
it's a weird language
Eight goes into Sixty 7 and a half times (or five times plus half five times, which is easy enough)
Mathematics is plural
Oh and Susan's worth £57m!👀😱
it's maths, because its short for mathematics.
Who is she, woman to the right = best becoming leader of the show (in my opinion).
I think it's Maths because of Mathematics (and not Math and Mathematic)
If maths is math, why aren't politics and ethics politic and ethic? For that matter, surely physics should be physic. It's weird that on that side of the Atlantic, you remove the s arbitrarily from just one of those things.
I think you either watch it first on your own or boarderline genius. 🇬🇧👏
"It features Aisling Bea, who we like" - uhm... speak for yourself. 😛
So Neil...we can clean off the cocaine...legal money laundering???
Because we are taught mathematics and not mathematic.
Math as a word is pointless, you may aswell say number. maths is short for mathematics which operates as a plural therfore the shortening of the word should convey the full meaning of the word, maths is the best way to show its full intent. yes mathematics is used as a singular but it's only used that way because there is no actual singular form of the word as its functionally a plural... also that's how it was translated into English 😆.
Maths is correct English. Unless the long form in North America is Mathematic, you lose the plural by shortening it to math.
There is more than one subject of mathematics and the word mathematics is plural so its obvious to abbreviate the word to maths. Math is an awful unrealistic abbreviation, maybe again thought up by Webster.
I don’t think we’re pluralising Maths and you’re not. Because mathematics is plural. I guess it was abbreviated after colonialism. 🤷🏽♀️
You don't say mathematic.. You say mathematics.. Maths is more than one discipline.. Hence maths.. You've just got use to saying math.. To us it illogical in the singular..
Unfortunately we here see -Sandy- Sandi being wrong and arrogant about it, like she was wrong and arrogant, when she was patronizing Lee Mack with the painted eyes 'following' you. -Sandy- Sandi says 'it is not an anagram because it is an aptagram'. To be an aptagram it has to be an anagram. All aptagrams are anagrams, but not all anagrams are aptagrams.
And just watched further and I forgot she contradict herself right after, where she agrees with the point I just made. She says "an aptagram is an anagram that...". To begin with she should instead of saying "it is not an anagram..." she should have said something more like "it is even an aptagram".
Sorry, who?
Do you mean Sandi?
Pedantry can be a right bugger
@@cockbeard Ah yes, Sandi. I misspelled.
24 is better