I used to own the Q and now have the Q2. For autofocus I much prefer to touch the screen to focus and take the shot (you get this by updating the software) ; looks like using an iphone with a leica lens LoL. In manual mode I like Focus Peaking which make you sure of what's in focus while enjoying the lens focus ring.
Thank you so much for sharing this interesting comparison. Enjoyed every second of the video as always. However there is one thing I've noticed that Q shows more in the "28mm frame" than the 28mm cron. It reminds me about a popular "mythical" online debate about Q's 28mm lens: its FOV actually close to 24mm rather than being a standard Leica 28mm. "Nothing about the quality of lens." but the difference remains quite obvious.
Been following your channel for quite a while and thanks to your reviews I have chosen a second hand Leica Qp. Already enjoyed myself today, amazing experience. Oh and by the way, got your presets. Let's shoot !
Hi Matt, I've been on the fence with your presets since buying my Q 2 weeks back, is there a version that works best with the Q or will any set do? For what it's worth, I love the Q. I had to sell my XT3 and all my lenses just to fund a used one but I love having just one focal and being challenged to make my photos more interesting. I do miss the 56mm 1.2 but not enough. The Q is extraordinary and the DNG files are so punchy and vibrant straight out of the box! Cheers for the videos and info mate. Ryan
Hi Ryan, sorry I missed this. I can't remember if you bought presets or not. I designed them based on the camera RAW files... BUT I do find myself mixing and match afterwards.. ie. Leica M8 preset on the Leica CL files. Yes the Q is a lovely camera!
Hi Matt great comparison… for me not simple to say what is the best through the pictures. I think the Q is an excellent package for wide angle (I like 24-28mm) and the CL for longueur lenses (56mm for portraits should be excellent). I don t really see the difference with the m10 gear… so why putting more money and the ease of use of the evo is definitely a plus.
M10 for me. Sharp but with a pleasant signature. I'm really liking that 28mm Summicron. My go to at the moment is the Minolta 28mm f2.8. Tempted to try the 'Cron...
Leica Q imho had sharper and punchier tonality. M10 softer(focusing?) but smoother background. Cl i felt more subdued somewhat....Cant wait for your review of the Q2. Hopefelly the Q2-P will come out. ..
For me, the Leica Q, not only because I shoot with this camera myself, but also because the results - when compared with the M10+lens set, which is more than twice as expensive - are simply at least as good.
@@romanp.71 thanks, I can with most photography but female portraits, it's just science that 28mm up close doesn't suit every image.. and moreso I like non-fixed lens cameras so I can use all my old lenses. :)
Hello Matt, been watching lots of your videos and first comment here. Love your videos there! It's weird that the Q should show more background blur being a faster lens. But the biggest difference I saw was how the summicron capture the punch of the blurred background - not many lenses can retain the color saturation and contrast of the out of focus area, or was it the M sensors? I think that's the main reason why the summicron render more apparent background blur. Or maybe I'm talking nonsense. 😂
I have a Q that I bought used at a good price. I don't find it difficult to use at all on aperture priority auto; it just does its job and gives me great shots with its amazing Summilux lens. I pretty much use it as a point and shoot. Its only "bug" is the continuous AF which is hopeless. I keep it in AF-S all the time. Sadly I do not use the camera enough because I am most comfortable working in the 35mm - 50mm focal range. I find Leica's choice to fit a 28mm onto the Q a little odd, since 35mm is the classic and most common FL for street photographers. Anyway, I shall keep the Q for now as it's a beautiful camera to own and use (sometimes!).
Matt Osborne Agreed: I only shoot RAW as well. Plus, I don’t see the point of buying such an expensive camera and then cropping the image down. Also, a 28mm image cropped, is not the same as an image that originated with a 35mm or 50mm lens. That’s why I haven’t bothered with the Q2. Sometimes I will have a Leica Q day and adjust my vision to a 28mm lens. I’m always pleased that I did because the files from that camera/lens combination are superb. I believe Leica have had considerable success with the Q series and I am convinced there is a market for two versions of the Q with different FL lenses.
Mat, all images amazing, beautifully executed. having a beautiful intelligent model and a photographer with your skill, makes more of a difference than choice cameras. The cameras are all capable of beautiful images. The differences were so marginal, particularly watching on You Tube.. in your hands, any Leica film or digital M8, M9 (if you can find one with a replacement sensor) M10, CL, Q1 or Q2, SL2 all beautiful. I do enjoy your videos.. well done 👍
Matt, your observations and videos are a refreshing discovery on UA-cam. Your images are outstanding, your comments thoughtful and factual. I have Q, m 240 and SL bodies and some m mount lenses. I wrestle with the purity of OVF and convenience of EVF. If I had to have one camera, it would be Q2. Thankfully I have the luxury of choice. Keep making fabulous content.
Thanks you very much! You sounds like you hve a great setup! My next video is the Q2! It is already late as had been planned for last week so it is coming soon. I'm sure you don't need any more Leica info or help but if you want some inspo (especially if you have an interest in trying film, using lights or photographing models you might like my new patreon.com/mrleicacom site where I post additional videos to those on YT).
1. Leica CL 2. Leica M10 3. Leica Q Not so much because of the output more so because the compositions done with the CL are most pleasing, then comes the M10 and the Q. The difference in contrast is negligible as you can quickly correct that in post.
Good point regarding contrast. With all 3 cameras being 28mm in theory the compositions should have been similar. The only difference being the M10 was limited to 0.7m vs 0.3m on the CL/Q.
Thanks for review - is not AF on the Q slower then that of the Q2 ? like the looks etc of the CL but worry about not being FF - I have many Fuji cameras x-t1 xt2 xt3 x-pro2 - love them but like the xt1 image the best - least amount of grain - the 26mp on the x-t3 just translate into more grain - also have sony a7 iii. and what a difference so so much cleaner image and more bokeh - the Q2 so costly - to me the images from Q vs Q2 very similar - Q2 seem a bit sharper and more contrasty but no a huge difference - I love the idea of being able to crop. - I assume only about 12mp or less when cropping on Q. so not really an option my biggest fear of the Q is slower AF and slower performance - Like the CL but afraid of lots of grain as a F4.2 lens (in FF ) and smaller sense - I love clean image - Fuji to me just to grainy at 3200 and 6400 The q images nicer. - the CL had nice tones but so little bokeh which is better in AF and AFC.
My worthless 2 cents: I think the Q has the most pop, surprisingly. If you look at the shots where there’s no BG blur, the Q shots seem to have more spatial separation than even the M10. Must be the lens. Overall, I agree that the M10 has the most appealing look. A really distinctive IQ. I feel the CL shots are FLAT. I know you love the CL, but just sayin’. (As usual your model shots are always high level, so it’s tricky to keep the image quality separated from the photographer skill and style.)
Thanks Laurence! Yes I think the M sensor has a look that can't be matched by the Q, CL or SL in previous review. Yes I felt 'bad' for the CL too.. as I normally love the results. Thanks for your kind words.
Thanks Ansgar, yes I hate to admit it but my CL images look to be in 3rd place again in this test, yet i'm always happy with it when I use it on it's own.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks Matt for your answer. Poland seems to be one of the best place for model shooting... if I come to England I’ll let you know, it could be good to meet each other.
@@DidierMOULINPhotography there are better places but Poland is easy for me to travel to and I have friends there. A lot of Eastern Europe is good. I like Budapest and Bratislava. Yes I run workshops for some when they visit. Just waiting on Covid!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I’m not looking for workshop but just meet new people. Check my insta you’ll see I don’t necessarily need workshop.it’s just that I appreciate your humble personality
@@DidierMOULINPhotography thanks very kind, I don’t treat myself to socials so I only normally meet people via shoots or teaching but maybe I’ll relax my calendar in the future! (Never enough time for everything ha)
Hi Matt, would you enjoy the CL if you were using it with adapter M-mount lenses? It’s seems the CL has a lot going for it but I wonder if the total experience hold up when adapting M lenses. Great review once again!
Absolutely! I use with an M adapter 99% of the time. See the written review links under the video. It was rare for me to use an AF lens on it. ..and thanks!
How is the Leica Q overly complicated with its automatic functions? It’s easily one of the easiest Leica cameras to actually own and operate. I’ve own one for the last four years and works like a piece of cake. Even the menu options has been simplified compared to other cameras. Also if you were stuck at F/11, there is an aperture ring in the front of the lens to help you adjust the different aperture levels from F1.7 to F/16
Thanks Ezra, I think like anything, I would soon get used to the camera. I just got a different / new to me Leica and at first I wasn't too impressed but within a day I loved it. I would say the same for the Q too, I do like the camera. Thanks for the feedback!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks for the update Matt, Sometimes it takes time to get used to a camera, but rest assured Leica put a lot of thought into the Q to make it funny easy to use
Hi Tony, my apologies for missing this. Yes I use a Viltrox speedbooster.. search my videos you will see it. I bought Nikon mount adapter to M43 then use Nikon to M39 adapter for the Skopar LTM lens.
I had an M6 for years and I still have the lenses. Went away from Leica when I went digital. About 6 months ago I bought a second hand Q and really like it. Your M10 images definitely look nicer to me, but £££. I find the Q very easy to use. I’ve never had it do the opposite to what I want. I generally shoot aperture priority, with auto ISO or a fixed ISO of my choice.
Thanks Chris, I was trying to use full manual as that is what i'm used to plus AF but even with the lens dialed in at 1.7 it kept trying to shoot f11 as too bright. User error for sure! Yes M10 prices will hopefully reduce in time. I will do a full M10 review in the future/ soonish.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I like your videos, very balanced. I possibly wouldn't have shot at 1.7 on the Q. The Q menu is not great, which possibly led to your operator error, or whatever it was. Using it in auto ISO I'm actually impressed that it chooses decent settings most of the time, with the lowest ISO and a useable shutter speed.
@@ChrisWhittenMusic thanks Chris, I'm just used to using fast lenses wide open for portraits I guess though I do stop down more nowadays for other subjects. Yes I think I just missed 1 menu auto option.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Your portraits are great. But I try to avoid the absolute base aperture on my lenses, the next stop up usually being a bit sharper.
Chris Whitten thanks yes I’ve been spoilt using the Summilux 50/1.4 ASPH which is super sharp wide open but on cheaper lenses more recently I now stop down a tiny amount if film. If digital I leave wide open as you can pull plenty of sharpness in PP if desired. I take my important photos on film whenever possible.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Even though 28 mm is not a portrait lense for the obvious reasons, you brought the best out of it. Cheers, Love your work and knowledge.
Becker Inal many thanks! If you excuse the hard sell you might enjoy the extra 40+ posts on Patreon with 5-10 new posts being added every week. (Link under video if interested).
I recently bought the Q. I really love the colors coming out of the camera for. 28mm isnt an ideal focal length for portraits so I am impressed with the images you were able to capture with all the cameras. The M10 was the winner for me with better contrast and background separation.
Hi Harv, great to have you here from FB! Yes I was surprised re. the M10 images. I have a Q2 video to come but also M10 so i'm interested to see how good the M10 really is. It certainly has a massive fan base! (See my most popular Leica video!)
I own a Leica Q. Love it! But I really like the more contrast shots of the other two cameras. More so with the M10. I just don't like manual focus. Does the M10 have auto focus?
I’ve owned all the combo except for the 28cron. Still have the M10. I liked the M10 pics best but only because of the composition. The darker backgrounds make the model stand out more. As a camera, I would prefer the M10 purely because of the flexibility to change lenses and better low light capability. If Leica made an interchangeable lens Q, I would favor that vs. the M.
Thanks Ian, I guess the interchangeable lens Q is the SL! EVF, lenses, FF sensor.. I too would not like the limitations of the fixed lens. The CL is good for a small AF lens camera setup.
Matt Osborne indeed. I do wish Leica would make an interchangeable lens Q (with a rangefinder form factor and smaller lenses). The SL and it’s autofocus lenses are so big. The ‘dream’ is something like the Olympus Pen-F in a full frame sensor.
It comes down to personal taste of course. I like the smoothness and tonality of the CL best (for portraits). Then the M10. The Q had a little too much contrast for my taste, a little harsh. All of these cameras can produce excellent images though when paired with good glass and PP to taste.
I think M10 and CL delivers the best quality rendering, micro contrast and object separation. I thought Q will do better job, I recently tested Q2 and SL2, and I must say that Q2 images appeared more clinical, darker and less details in shadows. Q’s EVF is not as good as CL or SL + fixed lens is not for me.
Thanks I have the Q2 video coming soon so you can see if my results are as you expect. Yes I love the CL EVF. (*I tested the SL2 already if you missed that).
M10 easily had the best shots. The way that camera and lens combination handled the highlight roll off and the out of focus zones are just magical. Creamy skin tones too. CL I liked better than the Q surprisingly. Better highlight roll off and skin tones. However you don’t get the amazing bokeh because of the lens and sensor. I was surprised to see how much the Q reminded me of high end smartphone images. They looked great don’t get me wrong and I’ve seen awesome images from the Q, I’ve just never seen them next to other Leica cameras before.
Thanks, good overview (I tried not to give my thoughts in the video to avoid swaying peoples own thoughts.Yes not much bokeh with the Q but you can get with the CL easily using other lenses. See my usual work on Flickr etc. Thanks for your thoughts.. yes if I had a decent iPhone 11 or something it might have made a nice 4 way shoot out! :) Maybe next time!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom confidence and reassurance in what you say. Practice singing songs perhaps! Even in the shower:) it was difficult for me to understand how it should be, since it is a bit like acting, and not being yourself.
@@billbailey8628 thanks Bill. I’ve been a happy cave dwellings introvert all my life so yes this is quite a culture shock. I avoided UA-cam for 5yrs but I’m happy I faced my fears. I enjoy making videos now (even if editing takes forever) so I’ll get there. Thanks for tips!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom i am the same way. I wish i could do what youve done. I also saw u are first hit on SEO. Great job! Maybe u can give me a hand with my photography ! Lol , have tried to market myself but it is a challenge
M10 pictures are clearly the best but i feel that the time and scene, composition plays some game here too. Its impossible to say something just based some images on YT. Had Q. Sold. Bought M10 with some really good lenses and then went back to Q just for its simplicity with AF. M gives you best photos and best shooting experience and poorest wallet too ;) Q is not so much behind with IQ, ist just the focal lenght is not the best for portraits. I really want to try that CL out. Or SL...damn Leica has too many good cameras :D
Thanks Tanel! Yes I love my CL but I'm surprised at it looking less impressive in these comparison tests. I guess it makes sense being APS-C but I never notice normally.
Q and M10 were equally sharp and both were sharper than CL. CL and M10 had better contrast and looked “punchier” than Q. The Old Curmudgeon (Q-P and M8 owner) speaks, and, having spoken, moves on.
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Thank you! 100K - that would be living the dream! I will keep posting and fingers crossed! :)
I used to own the Q and now have the Q2. For autofocus I much prefer to touch the screen to focus and take the shot (you get this by updating the software) ; looks like using an iphone with a leica lens LoL. In manual mode I like Focus Peaking which make you sure of what's in focus while enjoying the lens focus ring.
Thanks, yes if I had a decent iPhone I could have done a 4 way shootout being a 28mm test ha. :) Thanks regarding the Q2 tips. Q2 vid to follow soon!
Thank you so much for sharing this interesting comparison. Enjoyed every second of the video as always. However there is one thing I've noticed that Q shows more in the "28mm frame" than the 28mm cron. It reminds me about a popular "mythical" online debate about Q's 28mm lens: its FOV actually close to 24mm rather than being a standard Leica 28mm. "Nothing about the quality of lens." but the difference remains quite obvious.
Thanks Sen, great observation and thanks for this. I’ve not heard this before.
Been following your channel for quite a while and thanks to your reviews I have chosen a second hand Leica Qp. Already enjoyed myself today, amazing experience. Oh and by the way, got your presets. Let's shoot !
Thanks and congrats on your QP. I love all P models of Leica I think! They just look so good. Enjoy!
Hi Matt, I've been on the fence with your presets since buying my Q 2 weeks back, is there a version that works best with the Q or will any set do?
For what it's worth, I love the Q. I had to sell my XT3 and all my lenses just to fund a used one but I love having just one focal and being challenged to make my photos more interesting. I do miss the 56mm 1.2 but not enough. The Q is extraordinary and the DNG files are so punchy and vibrant straight out of the box!
Cheers for the videos and info mate.
Ryan
Hi Ryan, sorry I missed this. I can't remember if you bought presets or not. I designed them based on the camera RAW files... BUT I do find myself mixing and match afterwards.. ie. Leica M8 preset on the Leica CL files. Yes the Q is a lovely camera!
In my opinion, the price comparison is misleading because the Q includes the lens, that alone is worth more than the setup.
Thanks Carlos, that is a very good point.. for that fact the Q is good value.
Hi Matt great comparison… for me not simple to say what is the best through the pictures. I think the Q is an excellent package for wide angle (I like 24-28mm) and the CL for longueur lenses (56mm for portraits should be excellent). I don t really see the difference with the m10 gear… so why putting more money and the ease of use of the evo is definitely a plus.
Thanks, I’ll do a CL update video soon.. and mention Q
M10 for me. Sharp but with a pleasant signature. I'm really liking that 28mm Summicron. My go to at the moment is the Minolta 28mm f2.8. Tempted to try the 'Cron...
Thanks, yes see the 28mm Cron video. Nice lens!
Leica Q imho had sharper and punchier tonality. M10 softer(focusing?) but smoother background. Cl i felt more subdued somewhat....Cant wait for your review of the Q2. Hopefelly the Q2-P will come out. ..
Marc Chan thanks Marc! Good to hear your thoughts on the first video. Q2 vid this week! :)
For me, the Leica Q, not only because I shoot with this camera myself, but also because the results - when compared with the M10+lens set, which is more than twice as expensive - are simply at least as good.
Thanks Roman! Yes if I shot a lot of weddings I might get a Q but for my usual work 28mm is too wide.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom if 28mm were the solution, there would be no other focal lengths. If you only have one, you have to get creative.
@@romanp.71 thanks, I can with most photography but female portraits, it's just science that 28mm up close doesn't suit every image.. and moreso I like non-fixed lens cameras so I can use all my old lenses. :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Of course. But the real question was about comparing three 28mm cameras.
@@romanp.71 ah yes sorry, yes in the video I compare the 3x 28mm 👍🏻 I post 2 videos w wry week and this was last summer so I forget! Thanks
Hello Matt, been watching lots of your videos and first comment here. Love your videos there!
It's weird that the Q should show more background blur being a faster lens. But the biggest difference I saw was how the summicron capture the punch of the blurred background - not many lenses can retain the color saturation and contrast of the out of focus area, or was it the M sensors? I think that's the main reason why the summicron render more apparent background blur. Or maybe I'm talking nonsense. 😂
Hey Casey thanks. Maybe check my Summicron video for more samples. Sometimes the light in one photo can make a photo look better or worse.
I have a Q that I bought used at a good price. I don't find it difficult to use at all on aperture priority auto; it just does its job and gives me great shots with its amazing Summilux lens. I pretty much use it as a point and shoot. Its only "bug" is the continuous AF which is hopeless. I keep it in AF-S all the time.
Sadly I do not use the camera enough because I am most comfortable working in the 35mm - 50mm focal range. I find Leica's choice to fit a 28mm onto the Q a little odd, since 35mm is the classic and most common FL for street photographers. Anyway, I shall keep the Q for now as it's a beautiful camera to own and use (sometimes!).
Thanks, if you shot JPEG you could use the 35/50mm crop option but personally I shoot RAW.
Matt Osborne Agreed: I only shoot RAW as well. Plus, I don’t see the point of buying such an expensive camera and then cropping the image down. Also, a 28mm image cropped, is not the same as an image that originated with a 35mm or 50mm lens. That’s why I haven’t bothered with the Q2.
Sometimes I will have a Leica Q day and adjust my vision to a 28mm lens. I’m always pleased that I did because the files from that camera/lens combination are superb.
I believe Leica have had considerable success with the Q series and I am convinced there is a market for two versions of the Q with different FL lenses.
@@Muchtoobizy Yes agreed re. cropping. Yes The Q series is very popular so perhaps the Q3 might offer just that! We will see! :)
Mat, all images amazing, beautifully executed. having a beautiful intelligent model and a photographer with your skill, makes more of a difference than choice cameras. The cameras are all capable of beautiful images. The differences were so marginal, particularly watching on You Tube.. in your hands, any Leica film or digital M8, M9 (if you can find one with a replacement sensor) M10, CL, Q1 or Q2, SL2 all beautiful. I do enjoy your videos.. well done 👍
Thank you Keith! Agreed a nice model and good lighting is far more important than the camera or lens used. 👍🏻
Matt, your observations and videos are a refreshing discovery on UA-cam. Your images are outstanding, your comments thoughtful and factual. I have Q, m 240 and SL bodies and some m mount lenses. I wrestle with the purity of OVF and convenience of EVF. If I had to have one camera, it would be Q2. Thankfully I have the luxury of choice. Keep making fabulous content.
Thanks you very much! You sounds like you hve a great setup! My next video is the Q2! It is already late as had been planned for last week so it is coming soon. I'm sure you don't need any more Leica info or help but if you want some inspo (especially if you have an interest in trying film, using lights or photographing models you might like my new patreon.com/mrleicacom site where I post additional videos to those on YT).
1. Leica CL
2. Leica M10
3. Leica Q
Not so much because of the output more so because the compositions done with the CL are most pleasing, then comes the M10 and the Q.
The difference in contrast is negligible as you can quickly correct that in post.
Good point regarding contrast. With all 3 cameras being 28mm in theory the compositions should have been similar. The only difference being the M10 was limited to 0.7m vs 0.3m on the CL/Q.
Thanks for review - is not AF on the Q slower then that of the Q2 ? like the looks etc of the CL but worry about not being FF - I have many Fuji cameras x-t1 xt2 xt3 x-pro2 - love them but like the xt1 image the best - least amount of grain - the 26mp on the x-t3 just translate into more grain - also have sony a7 iii. and what a difference so so much cleaner image and more bokeh - the Q2 so costly -
to me the images from Q vs Q2 very similar - Q2 seem a bit sharper and more contrasty but no a huge difference - I love the idea of being able to crop. - I assume only about 12mp or less when cropping on Q. so not really an option
my biggest fear of the Q is slower AF and slower performance -
Like the CL but afraid of lots of grain as a F4.2 lens (in FF ) and smaller sense - I love clean image - Fuji to me just to grainy at 3200 and 6400
The q images nicer. - the CL had nice tones but so little bokeh
which is better in AF and AFC.
Sorry I can’t really remember the autofocus speeds but non were noticeably slow or I would have said so. All pretty instant I think.
Hi Matt did you see any difference in terms of AF speed and accuracy between the Q and the CL?
Not that I remember. They are both pretty instant from memory.
My worthless 2 cents: I think the Q has the most pop, surprisingly. If you look at the shots where there’s no BG blur, the Q shots seem to have more spatial separation than even the M10. Must be the lens. Overall, I agree that the M10 has the most appealing look. A really distinctive IQ. I feel the CL shots are FLAT. I know you love the CL, but just sayin’. (As usual your model shots are always high level, so it’s tricky to keep the image quality separated from the photographer skill and style.)
Thanks Laurence! Yes I think the M sensor has a look that can't be matched by the Q, CL or SL in previous review. Yes I felt 'bad' for the CL too.. as I normally love the results. Thanks for your kind words.
Q and M10 superior by far... sharpness and more punchy regards from an M8.2 and M9Per
Thanks Ansgar, yes I hate to admit it but my CL images look to be in 3rd place again in this test, yet i'm always happy with it when I use it on it's own.
Hi Matt. CL is doing a great job even with this kit lens. Quite impressed by it. I have it on my TL2 and I need to find more models to test it !!!
Great to hear. Yes I need to get out to Poland as soon as possible for my next model "fix" ha but sadly covid is delaying things!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks Matt for your answer. Poland seems to be one of the best place for model shooting... if I come to England I’ll let you know, it could be good to meet each other.
@@DidierMOULINPhotography there are better places but Poland is easy for me to travel to and I have friends there. A lot of Eastern Europe is good. I like Budapest and Bratislava. Yes I run workshops for some when they visit. Just waiting on Covid!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I’m not looking for workshop but just meet new people. Check my insta you’ll see I don’t necessarily need workshop.it’s just that I appreciate your humble personality
@@DidierMOULINPhotography thanks very kind, I don’t treat myself to socials so I only normally meet people via shoots or teaching but maybe I’ll relax my calendar in the future! (Never enough time for everything ha)
M10. More sense of depth and a closer relationship with the model somehow. You also chose more shots from it.
Thanks Adam! Yes maybe it was a message to get a M10 :)
Hi Matt, would you enjoy the CL if you were using it with adapter M-mount lenses? It’s seems the CL has a lot going for it but I wonder if the total experience hold up when adapting M lenses. Great review once again!
Absolutely! I use with an M adapter 99% of the time. See the written review links under the video. It was rare for me to use an AF lens on it. ..and thanks!
Thanks, Matt! All the best!
In terms of quality, I can’t see much difference in the photos. If you factor in cost, weight and ease of use it has to be the CL.
Thanks Peter, the CL has served me well for nearly 3 years so far.
How is the Leica Q overly complicated with its automatic functions? It’s easily one of the easiest Leica cameras to actually own and operate. I’ve own one for the last four years and works like a piece of cake. Even the menu options has been simplified compared to other cameras.
Also if you were stuck at F/11, there is an aperture ring in the front of the lens to help you adjust the different aperture levels from F1.7 to F/16
Thanks Ezra, I think like anything, I would soon get used to the camera. I just got a different / new to me Leica and at first I wasn't too impressed but within a day I loved it. I would say the same for the Q too, I do like the camera. Thanks for the feedback!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks for the update Matt, Sometimes it takes time to get used to a camera, but rest assured Leica put a lot of thought into the Q to make it funny easy to use
@@Lionheart_He-Man thanks, yes if I start doing a lot of weddings I’d get a Q 👍🏻
Matt great videos. Can you recommend a speed booster for the Voigtländer color scopar 2.5 m mount to micro four thirds? Thank you
Hi Tony, my apologies for missing this. Yes I use a Viltrox speedbooster.. search my videos you will see it. I bought Nikon mount adapter to M43 then use Nikon to M39 adapter for the Skopar LTM lens.
I had an M6 for years and I still have the lenses. Went away from Leica when I went digital. About 6 months ago I bought a second hand Q and really like it. Your M10 images definitely look nicer to me, but £££. I find the Q very easy to use. I’ve never had it do the opposite to what I want. I generally shoot aperture priority, with auto ISO or a fixed ISO of my choice.
Thanks Chris, I was trying to use full manual as that is what i'm used to plus AF but even with the lens dialed in at 1.7 it kept trying to shoot f11 as too bright. User error for sure! Yes M10 prices will hopefully reduce in time. I will do a full M10 review in the future/ soonish.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I like your videos, very balanced. I possibly wouldn't have shot at 1.7 on the Q. The Q menu is not great, which possibly led to your operator error, or whatever it was. Using it in auto ISO I'm actually impressed that it chooses decent settings most of the time, with the lowest ISO and a useable shutter speed.
@@ChrisWhittenMusic thanks Chris, I'm just used to using fast lenses wide open for portraits I guess though I do stop down more nowadays for other subjects. Yes I think I just missed 1 menu auto option.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Your portraits are great. But I try to avoid the absolute base aperture on my lenses, the next stop up usually being a bit sharper.
Chris Whitten thanks yes I’ve been spoilt using the Summilux 50/1.4 ASPH which is super sharp wide open but on cheaper lenses more recently I now stop down a tiny amount if film. If digital I leave wide open as you can pull plenty of sharpness in PP if desired. I take my important photos on film whenever possible.
The images from Leica Q look best.
Helgi Viðar Hilmarsson thanks! I think you are first person to say this. Many prefer the M10 images so it’s good to see the Q getting some love! :)
Q Rocks, M is okay, CL with that Toy Lense comes the last.
Thanks Becker, the Q is not a portrait camera but I thought i'd see what it can do! Q2 video to follow!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Even though 28 mm is not a portrait lense for the obvious reasons, you brought the best out of it. Cheers, Love your work and knowledge.
Becker Inal many thanks! If you excuse the hard sell you might enjoy the extra 40+ posts on Patreon with 5-10 new posts being added every week. (Link under video if interested).
Do you miss your CL?
Hi Douglas, I still have it. See my Patreon BTS vids from Poland and latest YT vids :)
I thought the CL and M10 provided a bit better contrast as well..
Avery Wagg thanks, interesting, maybe the 1.7 lens showing less contrast wide open..
Matt Osborne , I suspect you’re right..
@@averywagg1839 It's easy to fix in Lightroom so not a reason to not buy the camera.
I have the Q and the M10. I feel more creative with the M10. But the Q is very reliable. Almost boringly reliable.
Thanks, yes I perfer interchangeable lens cameras for sure. Good to hear you have both options.
I should never have sold my Leica Q.
James Bell - Landscape Photography at least the price has come down if you decide to buy again James. :)
I recently bought the Q. I really love the colors coming out of the camera for. 28mm isnt an ideal focal length for portraits so I am impressed with the images you were able to capture with all the cameras. The M10 was the winner for me with better contrast and background separation.
Thank you and congrats on your Q. Yes most people like the M10 shots the most. Thanks regarding the 28mm portraits.
Great work, Matt! Stellar portraits. Seemed like the M10 stole the show. CL came in 2nd and the Q lagged behind.
Hi Harv, great to have you here from FB! Yes I was surprised re. the M10 images. I have a Q2 video to come but also M10 so i'm interested to see how good the M10 really is. It certainly has a massive fan base! (See my most popular Leica video!)
I own a Leica Q. Love it! But I really like the more contrast shots of the other two cameras. More so with the M10. I just don't like manual focus. Does the M10 have auto focus?
THE STUDIO thanks for checking out the video. No sorry the Leica Ms are MF only. The SL series offer AF (See that review for images).
Great video and good test as usual thx ... my preference goes to the m10 photos
Thanks Jerome! Q2 video to follow if you want to see how that compares! :)
I’ve owned all the combo except for the 28cron. Still have the M10. I liked the M10 pics best but only because of the composition. The darker backgrounds make the model stand out more. As a camera, I would prefer the M10 purely because of the flexibility to change lenses and better low light capability. If Leica made an interchangeable lens Q, I would favor that vs. the M.
Thanks Ian, I guess the interchangeable lens Q is the SL! EVF, lenses, FF sensor.. I too would not like the limitations of the fixed lens. The CL is good for a small AF lens camera setup.
Matt Osborne indeed. I do wish Leica would make an interchangeable lens Q (with a rangefinder form factor and smaller lenses). The SL and it’s autofocus lenses are so big. The ‘dream’ is something like the Olympus Pen-F in a full frame sensor.
@@belgiboing It will come! Hasselblad have the MF X1D series which is not too oversized so it's only a matter of time for Leica and a small FF camera.
did you want any feedback on this video?
SLIMNICS it’s optional like any video. It’s just so readers get an idea of what the majority of viewers thought was the best camera, results wise! :)
It comes down to personal taste of course. I like the smoothness and tonality of the CL best (for portraits). Then the M10. The Q had a little too much contrast for my taste, a little harsh. All of these cameras can produce excellent images though when paired with good glass and PP to taste.
Thanks Takuan, yes agreed the "look" can be partly fixed in PP. Happy to hear you like the CL shots.
I think M10 and CL delivers the best quality rendering, micro contrast and object separation. I thought Q will do better job, I recently tested Q2 and SL2, and I must say that Q2 images appeared more clinical, darker and less details in shadows. Q’s EVF is not as good as CL or SL + fixed lens is not for me.
Thanks I have the Q2 video coming soon so you can see if my results are as you expect. Yes I love the CL EVF. (*I tested the SL2 already if you missed that).
M10 easily had the best shots. The way that camera and lens combination handled the highlight roll off and the out of focus zones are just magical. Creamy skin tones too. CL I liked better than the Q surprisingly. Better highlight roll off and skin tones. However you don’t get the amazing bokeh because of the lens and sensor. I was surprised to see how much the Q reminded me of high end smartphone images. They looked great don’t get me wrong and I’ve seen awesome images from the Q, I’ve just never seen them next to other Leica cameras before.
Thanks, good overview (I tried not to give my thoughts in the video to avoid swaying peoples own thoughts.Yes not much bokeh with the Q but you can get with the CL easily using other lenses. See my usual work on Flickr etc. Thanks for your thoughts.. yes if I had a decent iPhone 11 or something it might have made a nice 4 way shoot out! :) Maybe next time!
You need to work on your voice
Thanks Bill, it’s coming on slowly. Compare older videos to the latest few. Only slightly improved but getting there! :) Practice makes perfect.
..there are much worse than this video. I just checked as to how bad this one is.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom confidence and reassurance in what you say. Practice singing songs perhaps! Even in the shower:) it was difficult for me to understand how it should be, since it is a bit like acting, and not being yourself.
@@billbailey8628 thanks Bill. I’ve been a happy cave dwellings introvert all my life so yes this is quite a culture shock. I avoided UA-cam for 5yrs but I’m happy I faced my fears. I enjoy making videos now (even if editing takes forever) so I’ll get there. Thanks for tips!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom i am the same way. I wish i could do what youve done. I also saw u are first hit on SEO. Great job! Maybe u can give me a hand with my photography ! Lol , have tried to market myself but it is a challenge
M10 pictures are clearly the best but i feel that the time and scene, composition plays some game here too. Its impossible to say something just based some images on YT. Had Q. Sold. Bought M10 with some really good lenses and then went back to Q just for its simplicity with AF. M gives you best photos and best shooting experience and poorest wallet too ;) Q is not so much behind with IQ, ist just the focal lenght is not the best for portraits. I really want to try that CL out. Or SL...damn Leica has too many good cameras :D
Thanks Tanel! Yes I love my CL but I'm surprised at it looking less impressive in these comparison tests. I guess it makes sense being APS-C but I never notice normally.
Leica M FTW. 🤓👍🏾
Thanks Richard :) It seems the "people's choice"! :)
No doubt about it the best images are taken by the M 10.
Thanks Martin, yes the majority are agreeing with you. Thanks for your thoughts!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I enjoy your videos a lot thank you very much
@@martinscholz6613 Thanks, the Q2 video will follow, hopefully tomorrow!
Q and M10 were equally sharp and both were sharper than CL. CL and M10 had better contrast and looked “punchier” than Q. The Old Curmudgeon (Q-P and M8 owner) speaks, and, having spoken, moves on.
Richard de la Sota thanks for your thoughts!
M10 again
A popular choice :) Thanks for your vote!