Bruh, I have the opposite feeling about the Skyscale. My wife and I worked so hard to get the Griffon while LV4 was coming out, and within a week of us getting the final items together we needed for the griffon.... The skyscale was announced. So now here I am, 6 years later, no skyscale and no desire to get a skyscale.
Hello! I have been pointed to this video by a friend as griffon is mentioned! The griffon is my thing in GW2, most of what I do and I do weekly training sessions helping people get the most out of the mount. Unfortunately the game does not do a fantastic job of that, for example many players do not know about the speed boost(flap while diving) or do far too many pullups etc. Skyscale is a useful climbing mount to get height to start griffon but nowadays with jade bot stuff we can start from flat ground, even from on water! The griffon can also fly near indefinitely with proper redives which the skyscale absolutely cannot. The 250g is perhaps a bit much and should probably be lowered but I still think its the best value for money you can spend in the game by far. If you would like to train with us in [Wing] we could perhaps help remove some of your feeling of regret of getting the griffon!
@@syzxgamingx Wing operates on both servers and I run EU and NA session simultaneously. I have an account on both with griffon maxed out. I can invite you to the server if you like but only i you want, its rude to link it without permission. I cover one of the adventures each week alongside general free form stunt flying, i know them pretty well having done some with the camera pointed backwards lel. Would be fun to have you and see if your opinions can change hehe
@@syzxgamingx I am always in queensdale most day from 6 to 10 pm east time in NA. look for the flying rainbow ask the local fence ppl. tho you will have to dm me if you want me to land. I never stop to fly otherwise...
I got Griffon after Skyscale and I actually like it a lot with how fast it is in the air, I use both Skyscale and Griffon pretty often, Griffon can't elevation outside of updrafts, and Skyscale feels way too slow on far objectives (especially like in Amnytas), even when dashing, so both feels great
It is really fun to zoom around, and I agree Amnytas specifically actually became a much more enjoyable map for me to go to. It's the easiest for a quick rift hunt now that I have the Griffon
I personally find griffon more fun and engaging than the skyscale, but I understand the useful side of the latter: the best practical use I have for griffon is the weekly speed clearing maps for new characters XP for black lion keys
The Skyscale is a tool, the Griffon is Joyous zoomy fun. I've done all the races. It makes the new expansion zones a breeze to traverse. It makes Hero Point trains fun as hell. Everything is more fun on a Griffon.
The skyscale is great as an x button mount. It's a versitile mount. You use it to transition into griffon and if you are on land you either use the beetle or the warclaw. The Griffon is easily the king of mounts but is alsobetter when used as a transition mount. The two are meant to compliment the other.
For the people that feel 250g is too much and not worth it, consider this: - You'll speed up your farming - It allows you to tag events you would not have reached in time otherwise, granting you rewards you would not have gotten with a Skyscale or other mounts - It allows you to catch up to a commander or train - It gives you access to adventures and iirc mastery points - You'll speed up map completion, etc. The Griffon will pay for itself very quickly, although it is not immediately obvious. Time is money and the skyscale is comparatively slow. I am not saying make the Griffon before the Skyscale, but the Griffon is definitely worthwhile. Aside from that the Griffon is a whole lotta fun.
cycle through the following hotkeys as fast as possible to gain altitude: dismount > glide > remount > wing flap > repeat 40 times and you're at max height
Back in my days (I started playing 3 years ago) I watched videos about the griffon and thought that looked really fun. All my guild mates were like - you don't gonna use the griffon eventually anyway. For me, that was much more of a reason to get the griffon first so that I'm able to experience it the way it was originally meant. It took me a while and didn't rush it - but didn't regret doing the griffon first one bit! At some places having the skyscale would habe been a bit easy, I admit that, but with springer and griffon you are fine in most cases. Eventuall I did the skyscale as well and it is indeed useful, but I like my griffon much more and use it whenever I get the opportunity 😄
another trick to get *6* mid-air dashes on the skyscale is to dismount from griffon at standing position and before landing on the ground glide for a split second and remount on skyscale then angle the camera up and begin stringing along the dashes as the auto-endurance kicks in 5 seconds after mounting on skyscale in the air.. you can use the manual endurance refill either before or after the auto endurance to get the most out of the mid-air dashes. the auto endurance is on a 10-second CD so it's super useful
So here's some interesting info regarding the griffon speed vs the beetle speed. When played normally, the griffon is indeed faster than the beetle. However, there are some techniques that the roller beetle community have discovered that allow the beetle to travel 37% faster than the typical speed, pushing the beetle *much* faster than the griffon. However, since this is difficult to pull off without practice, it's much more reasonable to say that in normal circumstances, the griffon is faster
Random tip: swaping griffon and skyscale midair will refill your mount's stamina bar, allowing you to use skyscale barrel roll infinitely. Or when paired with beetle, you can easily refill stamina after screwing up. Yes, you can use springer for refilling beetle stamina as well, but there will be a small gap when you cannot use springer after dismounting from beetle due to being airborn.
New player: I've got raptor, warclaw (thx to recent update), springer, and just got skimmer last night. Personally, I love dragons, but having spent a lot of time on a rental griffon in the four winds festival... I really enjoyed the movement and sounds of the griffon. You saying that I can mount a skyscale to save myself from respawn... That might be the thing that pushes me in that direction first.
Considering I spent the last 7 years in a blasted jungle because they needed us to grind particular skills? I just killed Mordremoth yesterday. I hadn't known just how close to the end of Heart of Thorns I really was. Just like Valenwood in ESO, I am done with trees.... And hey! A fellow Charr player! :D
Legions forever! Congrats on clearing HoT, I hope you enjoy the next content! You're about to go on a great journey with the path of fire storytelling!
Kind of would say the turtle gives me that feeling way before the griffon. Though it would be interesting if the griffon got a horizontal/vertical take off ability. Kind of like the roller beatle.
I can see that for the turtle a bit. I very much view the turtle as another tool in the toolbox, it's really handy in a few spots where you want siege damage. Also I'm going to admit I'm biased, because I have the Plush Seige Turtle skin and it's my favorite mount skin ever.
If you know how you can jumpstart your griffon even without the Skyscale however Skyscale makes it much easier. I have my griffon since 2019 and it kept me in the game even though I wasn't actively playing the game. Now, I'm a member of Wing - The Griffon Academy - though I fly less now due to the constant shortage of time I have right now
in the process of getting the griffon, I was VERY lucky cause I got Dawn (precursor to the legendary greatsword Sunrise) from the mystic forge. i knew the importance of the weapon but I was a fairly new-ish account and I wasn't anywhere near ready to touch legendaries at all so I sold it and used the gold to fund my griffon expenses. if that didnt happen, idk if I would've gotten the griffon at all I love my griffon and though I use my skyscale like 95% of the time, my griffon still has a place in my heart (it did help me with getting my skyscale (pre soto) a lot so I owe it that too)
Meehh, up until now. I dont regret not getting the Gryphon. Very happy with my Skyscale and other mounts. For others, 250 gold is just nothing but for me who has been casually playing the game for years. It is A LOT. I got my Skyscale the old way and maaannn, it felt so good back then.
Griffon pays for itself after a while. Time is money or gold in this case and the Griffon is just way faster in a lot of situations. For example: Get there faster if you can use the Griffon -> Get more rewards because you catch an event that you wouldn't have with a skyscale. Or you can speed up a farming route. Do Map Completion faster. Catch up to a commander or a train. Gives you access to many adventures and iirc easy mastery points and so on. I mean it's up to you, but you are missing out, man.
A lot of ppl (it seems), don't realize that the gryphon works best with Skyscale in conjuction to reach faster destination. 250g nowadays is literally nothing considering the prices of most stuff on the AH. Back then when it was released 250g was a lot, but not by todays standards of the game. - Mount Skyscale do 2 fast (or 3) spins, mid air mount Gryphon (bar stamina refills 80% faster) then swap to Skyscale. Both mounts are very useful when combined. If you're on middle height I'd use skyscale to fast spin 2-3 times, then mount the gryphon and gain speed. The mount system in this game is out of this world, and best works when combined. If you dislike one mount, or another that's on you. In terms of mounts, the game offer nothing, but the the best, and that includes the gryphon.... otherwise - skill issue.
As someone who still do not own SoTO and having read about how skyscale's old method of acquisition is just a pain, I don't think i'll be taking my chances with the griffon either after your considerations haha
I'm going through the game in order of release and I just got the Griffon. I'm not sure when I'll get the Skyscale but I'm thinking of starting SoTO on another character before I start EoD and go through them at the same time? I don't know but I love the griffon. I'm kind of sad the Skyscale exists because I'm not a huge fan of actual flying mounts. I'm one of those idiots that enjoys a more connected traversal.
I definitely get that more connected traversal feel. I was initially a little iffy about the entire mount idea honestly. One of my favorite aspects of the original GW2 map design was how many little tricks were in the map to get up to vistas or points of interest, and mounts definitely simplified a lot of that. But, we also got one of the most genre-changing mount systems of the time, so there's gotta be some give and take I suppose!
HAHAHhA I am now actually less sad, it took me around the same :D By the time I got gryffon everyone had a dragon haha, but I am taking my time with skyscale no fomo
I did the Living Season Skyscale, as I got the Skyscale before End of Dragons even released! I've heard the SotO method is much easier. Enjoy your griffon, and have fun earning the Skyscale!
Skyscale is the mount i use 90%+ of the time and to be honest i wish they never made this mount. I do not like it and i hate how manditory it is just to be able to do metas in most of the latest xpacks zones. And before some of you kids goes "then dont use it", WHY THE FUDGE WOULD I HANDICAP MYSELF??? Still dont like it tho. it made the game into a tunnelvision hurry curry my get there asap fiesta...
I don't blame you, while I love GW2 in general, and especially the mount system - one of my biggest gripes for a while now has been that without a mount, doing some popular stuff is absolutely horrid. My girlfriend got into Guild Wars 2 for a while and she's very particular about playing in story order, so when Dragonbash rolled around the other year she didn't have a mount and gave up on trying to do hologram stampedes. And that was before the Skyscale update with the fireballs, which definitely made things worse lol
I have ground through every single map to 100% up to End of Dragons and here's the shock: I NEVER use my Griffon. Never. In fact I rarely see anyone on EU use it. Because an attack helicopter is way more practical to use than a jet fighter that needs a runway, a launchpad and split-second timing to use properly. And on the ground I use Jackal because it doesn't get caught on the geometry like Raptor, is easier to steer than Rollerbeetle. I main Reaper so I really don't need to draw a bunch of enemies in to fight me- that's half my toolkit. Jackal gives a nice barrier effect while I'm charging up the Life Force battery. Did I waste 250 gold? No, I have Griffon. Nice idea. But playing in strict order of release Skyscale is THE multitool of choice. Still working on Siege Turtle Masteries though. And the Skiff is just for fishing. Use the Skimmer to reach the fishing spots fast then put your fishing platform down. Trust me, it's easier.
The devs put themselves into a corner with the Griffon's gold cost. Costing 250 gold for the Griffon is still over double the cost of all other mounts + both versions of the Skyscale combined. Its probably why they just gave players the Skyscale again because they'd know if they ever gave us the Griffon again that no one would ever get the original and a lot of those who got the original would feel like they wasted 250 gold(Which is a lot for most players).
Bruh, I have the opposite feeling about the Skyscale. My wife and I worked so hard to get the Griffon while LV4 was coming out, and within a week of us getting the final items together we needed for the griffon.... The skyscale was announced. So now here I am, 6 years later, no skyscale and no desire to get a skyscale.
I can COMPLETELY understand that. That's a really frustrating feeling!
My second account I got the skyscale and haven't bothered with griffon yet. But they are both useful and I'll have to find the money sometime. lol.
@@bcsr4ever Siege turtle: Look at me i am the flying mount now.
Hello! I have been pointed to this video by a friend as griffon is mentioned! The griffon is my thing in GW2, most of what I do and I do weekly training sessions helping people get the most out of the mount. Unfortunately the game does not do a fantastic job of that, for example many players do not know about the speed boost(flap while diving) or do far too many pullups etc. Skyscale is a useful climbing mount to get height to start griffon but nowadays with jade bot stuff we can start from flat ground, even from on water! The griffon can also fly near indefinitely with proper redives which the skyscale absolutely cannot.
The 250g is perhaps a bit much and should probably be lowered but I still think its the best value for money you can spend in the game by far. If you would like to train with us in [Wing] we could perhaps help remove some of your feeling of regret of getting the griffon!
I might have to take you up on that in a while, once I finish all the Griffon challenges myself! Are you on NA or EU servers? I'm on NA Myself.
@@syzxgamingx Wing operates on both servers and I run EU and NA session simultaneously. I have an account on both with griffon maxed out. I can invite you to the server if you like but only i you want, its rude to link it without permission. I cover one of the adventures each week alongside general free form stunt flying, i know them pretty well having done some with the camera pointed backwards lel. Would be fun to have you and see if your opinions can change hehe
@@syzxgamingx I am always in queensdale most day from 6 to 10 pm east time in NA. look for the flying rainbow
ask the local fence ppl. tho you will have to dm me if you want me to land. I never stop to fly otherwise...
250 gold honestly isn't anything with the WV being a thing.
I got Griffon after Skyscale and I actually like it a lot with how fast it is in the air, I use both Skyscale and Griffon pretty often, Griffon can't elevation outside of updrafts, and Skyscale feels way too slow on far objectives (especially like in Amnytas), even when dashing, so both feels great
It is really fun to zoom around, and I agree Amnytas specifically actually became a much more enjoyable map for me to go to. It's the easiest for a quick rift hunt now that I have the Griffon
I personally find griffon more fun and engaging than the skyscale, but I understand the useful side of the latter: the best practical use I have for griffon is the weekly speed clearing maps for new characters XP for black lion keys
i found practical uses for both in so many contexts that not using one of the fly mounts would make me less mobile.
The Skyscale is a tool, the Griffon is Joyous zoomy fun. I've done all the races. It makes the new expansion zones a breeze to traverse. It makes Hero Point trains fun as hell. Everything is more fun on a Griffon.
The skyscale is great as an x button mount. It's a versitile mount. You use it to transition into griffon and if you are on land you either use the beetle or the warclaw. The Griffon is easily the king of mounts but is alsobetter when used as a transition mount. The two are meant to compliment the other.
For the people that feel 250g is too much and not worth it, consider this:
- You'll speed up your farming
- It allows you to tag events you would not have reached in time otherwise, granting you rewards you would not have gotten with a Skyscale or other mounts
- It allows you to catch up to a commander or train
- It gives you access to adventures and iirc mastery points
- You'll speed up map completion, etc.
The Griffon will pay for itself very quickly, although it is not immediately obvious. Time is money and the skyscale is comparatively slow. I am not saying make the Griffon before the Skyscale, but the Griffon is definitely worthwhile. Aside from that the Griffon is a whole lotta fun.
as the 1st person to get griffon in 2017 i have to tell you that you can ascend as high as you want on the griffon.
cycle through the following hotkeys as fast as possible to gain altitude: dismount > glide > remount > wing flap > repeat 40 times and you're at max height
literally "X" > Spacebar > "X" > spacebar
This and your other advice is crazy, I'll have to try it out soon! Crazy levels of mount min/maxing going on out there
Skyscale + Jade Bot Glide Booster + Griffon. You'll never gonna touch the ground again.
Back in my days (I started playing 3 years ago) I watched videos about the griffon and thought that looked really fun. All my guild mates were like - you don't gonna use the griffon eventually anyway. For me, that was much more of a reason to get the griffon first so that I'm able to experience it the way it was originally meant. It took me a while and didn't rush it - but didn't regret doing the griffon first one bit! At some places having the skyscale would habe been a bit easy, I admit that, but with springer and griffon you are fine in most cases.
Eventuall I did the skyscale as well and it is indeed useful, but I like my griffon much more and use it whenever I get the opportunity 😄
another trick to get *6* mid-air dashes on the skyscale is to dismount from griffon at standing position and before landing on the ground glide for a split second and remount on skyscale then angle the camera up and begin stringing along the dashes as the auto-endurance kicks in 5 seconds after mounting on skyscale in the air.. you can use the manual endurance refill either before or after the auto endurance to get the most out of the mid-air dashes.
the auto endurance is on a 10-second CD so it's super useful
So here's some interesting info regarding the griffon speed vs the beetle speed. When played normally, the griffon is indeed faster than the beetle. However, there are some techniques that the roller beetle community have discovered that allow the beetle to travel 37% faster than the typical speed, pushing the beetle *much* faster than the griffon. However, since this is difficult to pull off without practice, it's much more reasonable to say that in normal circumstances, the griffon is faster
That's...fascinating. I may be about to do a deep dive on this, because I'm intrigued
for newbies its definitely worth it to get both griffon and skyscale. either one first is good, but get both
Random tip: swaping griffon and skyscale midair will refill your mount's stamina bar, allowing you to use skyscale barrel roll infinitely. Or when paired with beetle, you can easily refill stamina after screwing up. Yes, you can use springer for refilling beetle stamina as well, but there will be a small gap when you cannot use springer after dismounting from beetle due to being airborn.
That's amazing, I can't believe I didn't notice/think of that!
New player: I've got raptor, warclaw (thx to recent update), springer, and just got skimmer last night.
Personally, I love dragons, but having spent a lot of time on a rental griffon in the four winds festival... I really enjoyed the movement and sounds of the griffon.
You saying that I can mount a skyscale to save myself from respawn... That might be the thing that pushes me in that direction first.
Griffon is not a flying mount, its a speedy gliding mount
Considering I spent the last 7 years in a blasted jungle because they needed us to grind particular skills? I just killed Mordremoth yesterday. I hadn't known just how close to the end of Heart of Thorns I really was.
Just like Valenwood in ESO, I am done with trees....
And hey! A fellow Charr player! :D
Legions forever! Congrats on clearing HoT, I hope you enjoy the next content! You're about to go on a great journey with the path of fire storytelling!
Kind of would say the turtle gives me that feeling way before the griffon. Though it would be interesting if the griffon got a horizontal/vertical take off ability. Kind of like the roller beatle.
Turtle + Jump Jets = Flying Mount!
GIVE ME UPDRAFTS FOR TURTLES
I can see that for the turtle a bit. I very much view the turtle as another tool in the toolbox, it's really handy in a few spots where you want siege damage. Also I'm going to admit I'm biased, because I have the Plush Seige Turtle skin and it's my favorite mount skin ever.
@@alexmarvin3093 "GIVE ME UPDRAFTS FOR TURTLES" Oh god, watch that landing
Good video, we just need more Asmongold type videos like this where people are just openly talking about the game
If you know how you can jumpstart your griffon even without the Skyscale however Skyscale makes it much easier. I have my griffon since 2019 and it kept me in the game even though I wasn't actively playing the game. Now, I'm a member of Wing - The Griffon Academy - though I fly less now due to the constant shortage of time I have right now
Griffin and turtle are the two I dont have yet. I know Im probably gonna get them eventually, but I don´t really miss them all that much.
in the process of getting the griffon, I was VERY lucky cause I got Dawn (precursor to the legendary greatsword Sunrise) from the mystic forge.
i knew the importance of the weapon but I was a fairly new-ish account and I wasn't anywhere near ready to touch legendaries at all so I sold it and used the gold to fund my griffon expenses.
if that didnt happen, idk if I would've gotten the griffon at all
I love my griffon and though I use my skyscale like 95% of the time, my griffon still has a place in my heart (it did help me with getting my skyscale (pre soto) a lot so I owe it that too)
Meehh, up until now. I dont regret not getting the Gryphon.
Very happy with my Skyscale and other mounts.
For others, 250 gold is just nothing but for me who has been casually playing the game for years. It is A LOT.
I got my Skyscale the old way and maaannn, it felt so good back then.
Griffon pays for itself after a while. Time is money or gold in this case and the Griffon is just way faster in a lot of situations. For example: Get there faster if you can use the Griffon -> Get more rewards because you catch an event that you wouldn't have with a skyscale. Or you can speed up a farming route. Do Map Completion faster. Catch up to a commander or a train. Gives you access to many adventures and iirc easy mastery points and so on. I mean it's up to you, but you are missing out, man.
A lot of ppl (it seems), don't realize that the gryphon works best with Skyscale in conjuction to reach faster destination. 250g nowadays is literally nothing considering the prices of most stuff on the AH. Back then when it was released 250g was a lot, but not by todays standards of the game.
- Mount Skyscale do 2 fast (or 3) spins, mid air mount Gryphon (bar stamina refills 80% faster) then swap to Skyscale. Both mounts are very useful when combined. If you're on middle height I'd use skyscale to fast spin 2-3 times, then mount the gryphon and gain speed. The mount system in this game is out of this world, and best works when combined. If you dislike one mount, or another that's on you. In terms of mounts, the game offer nothing, but the the best, and that includes the gryphon.... otherwise
- skill issue.
The griffon Stamina refills even faster if you swoop.
hello fellow griffon rider
As someone who still do not own SoTO and having read about how skyscale's old method of acquisition is just a pain, I don't think i'll be taking my chances with the griffon either after your considerations haha
can someone drop the timestamp when he gets to the point?
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@@lilgamgam4767 thank you!
6:36
only thing that made me finish griffon was parts of it were needed to do coalescence collection, otherwise id ignore it for forever
I'm going through the game in order of release and I just got the Griffon. I'm not sure when I'll get the Skyscale but I'm thinking of starting SoTO on another character before I start EoD and go through them at the same time? I don't know but I love the griffon. I'm kind of sad the Skyscale exists because I'm not a huge fan of actual flying mounts. I'm one of those idiots that enjoys a more connected traversal.
I definitely get that more connected traversal feel. I was initially a little iffy about the entire mount idea honestly. One of my favorite aspects of the original GW2 map design was how many little tricks were in the map to get up to vistas or points of interest, and mounts definitely simplified a lot of that. But, we also got one of the most genre-changing mount systems of the time, so there's gotta be some give and take I suppose!
HAHAHhA I am now actually less sad, it took me around the same :D
By the time I got gryffon everyone had a dragon haha, but I am taking my time with skyscale no fomo
I did the Living Season Skyscale, as I got the Skyscale before End of Dragons even released! I've heard the SotO method is much easier. Enjoy your griffon, and have fun earning the Skyscale!
@@syzxgamingx Thanks and btw your regret gave me strength xd :D
I like raptor
TLDR;
skill issue
Skyscale is the mount i use 90%+ of the time and to be honest i wish they never made this mount. I do not like it and i hate how manditory it is just to be able to do metas in most of the latest xpacks zones. And before some of you kids goes "then dont use it", WHY THE FUDGE WOULD I HANDICAP MYSELF??? Still dont like it tho. it made the game into a tunnelvision hurry curry my get there asap fiesta...
I don't blame you, while I love GW2 in general, and especially the mount system - one of my biggest gripes for a while now has been that without a mount, doing some popular stuff is absolutely horrid. My girlfriend got into Guild Wars 2 for a while and she's very particular about playing in story order, so when Dragonbash rolled around the other year she didn't have a mount and gave up on trying to do hologram stampedes. And that was before the Skyscale update with the fireballs, which definitely made things worse lol
I have ground through every single map to 100% up to End of Dragons and here's the shock: I NEVER use my Griffon. Never. In fact I rarely see anyone on EU use it. Because an attack helicopter is way more practical to use than a jet fighter that needs a runway, a launchpad and split-second timing to use properly.
And on the ground I use Jackal because it doesn't get caught on the geometry like Raptor, is easier to steer than Rollerbeetle. I main Reaper so I really don't need to draw a bunch of enemies in to fight me- that's half my toolkit. Jackal gives a nice barrier effect while I'm charging up the Life Force battery.
Did I waste 250 gold? No, I have Griffon. Nice idea. But playing in strict order of release Skyscale is THE multitool of choice. Still working on Siege Turtle Masteries though. And the Skiff is just for fishing. Use the Skimmer to reach the fishing spots fast then put your fishing platform down. Trust me, it's easier.
The devs put themselves into a corner with the Griffon's gold cost. Costing 250 gold for the Griffon is still over double the cost of all other mounts + both versions of the Skyscale combined.
Its probably why they just gave players the Skyscale again because they'd know if they ever gave us the Griffon again that no one would ever get the original and a lot of those who got the original would feel like they wasted 250 gold(Which is a lot for most players).
griffon is hands down the most efficient mount to have. allows me to event hop so efficiently
I have skyscale but no griffon.
I agree, Imo you need both 🤔 they complement do well!