Thanks for watching! First off, idk why the intro's cut off, it wasn't in the file I uploaded. Nothing important was lost so I don't think a reupload is needed, all I did was say "this is bad" haha. It's been ages since I've roasted some Smash content, because it's honestly not often that I stumble across something so catastrophic that I'm totally comfortable doing it. This? This checks every single box though. Also like I said in the video, *leave the original creators alone.* I've corrected the misinfo, the job is done, it's not that serious at the end of the day. *Main channel:* ua-cam.com/users/mockrocktv *Twitter:* twitter.com/MrMockRock *Patreon:* www.patreon.com/mockrock *Twitch:* www.twitch.tv/mockrocktwitch *Teespring:* teespring.com/stores/mockrock *TimeBolt affiliate link* (excellent software I use to speed up editing on my videos, use code "MOCKROCK" for a discount): mockrock--timebolt.thrivecart.com/order-page/
Ain't no way this wasn't written by AI, it reads exactly like asking ChatGPT "write an article about 8 ban worthy techniques in Smash" or something like that and calling it a day
I actually decided to test that by asking ChatGPT "Write an article about 8 banworthy techniques in the Competitive Smash Bros E-sports scene" and it honestly was better then the article in the video, because it actually mentioned stuff like Wobbling in Melee and Planking in Brawl, as well as controversial stuff like Chaingrabbing. It does mention Stalling like in the article but it doesn't say anything about Sonic's Homing Attack.
@@2-Way_Intersection The major mistake ChatGPT when I asked it to do that was as that it referred to the Ledge Grab Limit in Melee and Brawl as Ledge Trumping. So it did make some mistakes, but generally less then in the actual video. That said, AI can be absolutely stupid. I'm thinking of the Google Play Sonic thread that recently came out, where everything was misinformation.
I feel like people love to say “this looks like AI” when something is of poor quality, but there are definitely people out there who just make things that suck this bad lol. Edit: also people say it to mean something feels derivative and corporately unoriginal but again, people are capable of doing that too
Almost certainly written by AI. I just asked it to generate a list of 8 things banned and it hallucinated a Ganon glitch where he could oneshot anyone with Warlock Punch lmao
except it was posted 10 months before chatGPT was launched. I don't know I don't like that everyone has just decided that all bad content is now "ai" even if it's years old.
Warlock can oneshot (most) characters, by hitting with the air version.... The thing is, the air version only counts when you hit with it, while ganondorf is in the air. Have fun hitting that!
I don’t want to accuse the author of using AI or anything but this article does read like you asked Chat GPT to talk about Smash. What’s more likely is this is using extremely outdated “sources,” considering all the pics are Smash 4
Sonic could homing attack stall under the stage in Brawl and Cloud was softbanmed in dubs in smash 4. The vibe I get from this article is it's using "Smash" as a blanket term to cover the more blatant pieces of stalling and other controversial characters/playstyles throughout the entire series. All for those easy clicks ofc. Because the average viewer won't be able to tell the difference between Melee/Brawl & the HD titles. It's definitely not talking about solely Ultimate.
@@jstar3382 The article is from 2022, well before AI tools were becoming mainstream. For sites like this it's just common to get freelance writers to write slop like this who have no idea or interest in what they're talking about and give them a strict deadline for it.
btw after checking her other articles, the author IS NOT a gamer and clearly wasn't writing in her area of expertise since she writes about anime and tv shows EXCLUSIVLY. she was probably ordered to write a smash article by her boss at the last minute and went off the 5 hours of smash she played in a party and a redit thread.
Which to my knowledge is a really common experience for these content farm sites, they give you a list of articles to “research” and “write” for subjects you know nothing about, and you have to pump out so many articles that you basically have to copy Reddit posts. Most of these entries can be explained by someone desperately trying to re-phrase stuff that popped up after searching “Smash Bros Banned Reddit”. Like Sonic camping isn’t banned obviously but I’m sure you can find posts advocating for it lol
The stuff that gets written on sites like these, even before the onset of generative ai, genuinely reads like the ramblings of madmen. You can practically taste the horrible deadlines they work under.
I'm having flashbacks to an article that suggested Farfetch'd should be purely normal type because its a flightless bird. Farfetch'd, the duck Pokémon.
@LeifTunteri-s7r They do. You'd be suprised at how much content you are expected to fabricate when writing for websites like these. I'm talking writing and editing multiple articles per week, completely on your own, with mandated search algorithm optimization, for laughable compensation. The outlets behind these articles are the problem.
@LeifTunteri-s7r That's an incredibly naive way of thinking. Getting a decent writing job without prior credentials is very hard. They work there because they don't have other options, not because they like to. They need to start somewhere, and in journalism that "somewhere" tends to be outlets like these. And no, they can't just quit and do something else. They might need the money, some have invested time and funds into a degree in this field. The alternatives are often just as bad, doing jobs like these at least offers the hope of one day being able to work for a better publisher in the field they want to work in. Starting your own journal is not a reliable source of income either, and if anything, requires using the exact same content mill strategies to even have a chance of showing up in the algortihm.
@@yggdrasilsaltarat worst, it’s just people being down bad but that’s just inevitable when games allow players to create content freely with their assets
Articles like this are infinitely funnier when you remember people tried using AI as a lawyer. Yeah, I'm sure the thing that's telling me taunting is banned won't let me go to jail
I don’t know why but pointing out when other people are wrong and the clowning on them is one of the most cathartic experiences. This was deeply satisfying to watch
It’s a weird feeling for me personally, I get a bit of secondhand embarrassment from these types of articles. Still very much appreciate the breakdown from MockRock about why it’s wrong and dumb though, he never fails to show how good he is at making his points
Okay context: valnet (cbr's parent company, they own a ton more sites but i digress) employees are overworked. They're essentially doing 70 hours a week so this was probably made in a mad dash to meet deadlines
I'm seeing a lot of claims that this was written by AI and, while I can see it from the lack of personality, the outdated information isn't a surefire reason. When Ultimate first came out, the publication TheGamer made dozens of videos capitalizing on it referring to things like Diddy Kong being the best character because early Smash 4 Diddy was what they decided to bring up as an example. Sometimes it really comes down to just being that ignorant.
I think this is interesting, because it's written like an article in the exact time frame you describe, but the article was published in 2022. The meta had already evolved past any assumptions like that being possible. The only explanation I can come up is that the ai used had a knowledge cut off of late 2018/early 2019, but even then it wouldn't make sense for an ai to only use screenshots from Smash 4.
This sounds kinda like it was written by someone whose main experience with Smash was casual Brawl, with the mention of things like Thunder spam, and tried to do a quick and shallow search on what Smash things were annoying so that it seems more up to date. I don’t even think there was anything specifically mentioned to be from Ultimate in this article.
It's not just that the information is outdated, it's that it doesn't make any sense. It's a weird mishmash of things from Melee, Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate while also getting basic information about the game wrong. Some of these things would be impossible to know without doing research, but the mistakes would be impossible to make if research had been done. The only reasonable explanation is AI.
"They were the ones who decided to write about it" I would bet money that the author did not *choose* to write about this, just like I didn't *choose* to cover the marching band in high school journalism lol
CBR is owned by Valnet, a corporation who overworks and underpays their "contract workers". Fireborn made a great video about this that was taken down by Valnet. These articles' shortcomings aren't the authors fault. They can't do enough research for the topic while also meeting their article quotas. I hope this can clear up why the article is this bad.
Comic fan here. Quality control and CBR have been feuding for a long time. They have been doing weird list like these with easy to find errors and odd mistakes for years. Once saw them do an article about Spider-Man costumes and had put the descriptions in the wrong place.
Homing Attack actually could stall under the stage in Brawl, if you’re beneath the stage it will still try to home in on an opponent and just bump off the ceiling and then you can do it again. Ofc it can be broken just by getting out of the Homing Attack’s range, but if an opponent just stands there on the stage, sure, he can Homing Attack forever
So it’ll always go upward or bonk on the stage regardless of if the opponent like goes on the top of battlefield and Sonic is below the stages he can stall there indefinitely? That would be so funny
@@gio_setsunayes but like shouldn’t it lock ON the opponent or just fall downwards? No shot unless it’s like fountain of dreams stage where you can do it forever. Gonna find my old Wii just for this LOL
A channel? Definitely not lol, that's blatantly what MockRockTalk was set up for. A video series? We'll see, I don't really like going after peoples' work unless it's _very_ deserved (which this absolutely was), but not off the table if I find more 🤷♂
@@MockRockTalk well, I don't like negativity so I'm not gonna watch videos like this... Unrelated, but I'm assuming that you're gonna do the full, "this character never exited" overhaul on your main channel for Zelda soon? If so, is she gonna be the last one or are you planning on doing it with all badly rappresented (?) characters (one series at the time of course)?
This reminds me of that one “Smash Ultimate Xtreme” poster image that banned echo fighters like Lucas and didn’t let you use counters because they’re unfun and unfair
For "Pikachu using thunder(bolt) repeatedly was banned" the closest thing I can think of was when Pikachu/G&W was a banned team combo around the start of Smash 4 because Thunder could fill G&W's bucket way too fast, resulting in a near-instant kill move.
I just told chatgpt to "write me an article about 8 ban worthy techniques in smash ultimate". It listed a technique that I'm pretty sure is banned, then the Bayonetta stuff from smash 4, then it just started talking about regular attacks that some of the fighters have and by the time it got to the conclusion it wasn't much better than this article if at all
So many people are saying this is by AI, I don’t agree. AI does a much better job lmao. I told ChatGPT to create an article with this title and this is what I got: “**8 Special Bans on Techniques for Smash Bros Competitive Play** In the competitive Super Smash Bros. scene, balancing the game to ensure fair and exciting matches is paramount. This balance often requires banning certain techniques that can disrupt the competitive integrity. Here are eight special bans on techniques in competitive Smash Bros. that have shaped the landscape of the game: 1. **Wobbling (Ice Climbers)**: - **What It Is**: A technique where the Ice Climbers player grabs their opponent and uses a rhythm of attacks to keep them in a continuous grab-lock, leading to a guaranteed KO. - **Why It's Banned**: Wobbling removes interaction from the game, making matches less about skill and more about exploiting this mechanic. It's seen as overly powerful and unfair. 2. **Infinites (Various Characters)**: - **What It Is**: Techniques that allow characters to trap opponents in an endless series of moves, typically along walls or with repeated grabs. - **Why It's Banned**: Infinites can result in matches where one player is unable to escape, making the game unbalanced and frustrating. 3. **Planking (Edge Stalling)**: - **What It Is**: When a player repeatedly grabs the ledge to become invincible and avoid combat. - **Why It's Banned**: Planking can excessively stall the game, reducing the overall pace and making it less engaging for spectators. 4. **Glitch Exploits (e.g., Meta Knight's Infinite Dimensional Cape)**: - **What It Is**: Using programming glitches to gain an unfair advantage, such as Meta Knight's ability to stay invisible indefinitely. - **Why It's Banned**: Exploits are not intended by the game's developers and can lead to unpredictable and unfair gameplay. 5. **Chain Grabbing (Certain Characters)**: - **What It Is**: Using grab throws repeatedly in a way that the opponent has no chance to escape. - **Why It's Banned**: Similar to infinites, chain grabbing can trap opponents and lead to zero-to-death combos, which are deemed unfair. 6. **Stage-Specific Bans (e.g., Stage Spiking Abuse)**: - **What It Is**: Using certain stages to abuse mechanics like stage spiking (knocking opponents into the stage to immediately KO them). - **Why It's Banned**: Some stages offer unique features that can be exploited in ways that disrupt fair play, leading to specific stages being banned in competitive play. 7. **Excessive Camping**: - **What It Is**: When a player avoids engaging in combat and instead stays in a safe area, waiting for the timer to run out or for the opponent to make a mistake. - **Why It's Banned**: Camping can make matches dull and uninteresting, with players avoiding interactions rather than engaging in skillful play. 8. **Stalling Techniques (e.g., Fox's Shine Stall)**: - **What It Is**: Techniques where players use moves to delay the game indefinitely, such as Fox's ability to repeatedly use his shine move to hover in place. - **Why It's Banned**: Stalling techniques prevent the game from progressing naturally, causing matches to drag on unnecessarily and reducing the competitive excitement. ### Conclusion These bans help maintain a fair and enjoyable competitive environment for all players and spectators. As the game evolves, so too will the list of banned techniques, always striving for a balanced and skill-driven experience.”
It’s important to note this article came out over 2 years ago and generative AI has gotten a lot less terrible than it used to be, so that might explain why the article you generated seems so much better than the one in the video.
This is really interesting actually. Makes me think that someone must have used AI really incompetently to “research” for the article without fully understanding what to ask it
This was hard to watch. I have no idea who thought this was good to publish. Some of the comments have been saying it feels like AI wrote it. I'm inclined to agree but whats funnier to me is that someone just wrote this because they thought they knew what they were talking about.
Believe it or not, homing attack as a stalling tactic was a thing way back in Brawl. You go under the stage and use homing attack. It erroneously bonks under the stage and Sonic stays in place, and you can keep doing it forever. Banned in tournament, of course. It's extremely obvious the "author" doesn't actually know this, supporting the idea this is AI-generated. Incorrectly associating loosely-related factoids (e.g. brawl homing attack stall, current spin dash lame play) that exist on the internet seems to be a common thrme with AI.
Tell that to the commenters who tested it themselves And yes, I am aware that this article was surely not written by AI. It was made in 2022, before tools like ChatGPT became mainstream. Probably an underpaid journalist who was told to write a Smash article by an unforgiving deadline.
CBR used to be written by actual human beings who cared about comics. There was a fantastic series by Scott Shaw on oddball comics and a great comics 101 series that reviewed prominent runs and introduced me to some of my favourite comics. And then venture capital money enshittified it and it hurts my soul to see that logo.
Pretty sure that article was written by an AI. EDIT: Yeah, point 3 is a dead giveaway, that's AI. AI has the problem where it cannot remember what it was even talking about, so it just kinda starts drifing off.
This doesn't read like AI to me, not least because it's too vague. This reads like exhausted freelance copywriter desperately trying to meet a deadline
“No one threw a puppy off a roof, here.” Amazing lmao. But fr that’s some good perspective. Great vid tho still, super well thought out and articulate as usual, love the channel
I'm surprised that Steve wasn't even mentioned in this article. That was such a low-hanging fruit, and they didn't even grab that. Also, wtf was up with the number 3 entry?
CBR strikes me as a company who has its workers frequently locked out of the topics they want to cover, and left without enough time to do any proper research, thus scrambling hard to pump out their quantity quota, of which nothing is more important to the people in charge.
This article has to be 100% AI written. I've seen a similar article written about Civ 6 that was so unbelievable inaccurate and incorrect about everything that gave the exact same vibes.
Brawl Homing Attack under the stage does the same thing as Peach against the side of the stage, and is banned stalling. This guy/AI just didn't know how to articulate that
The sad thing is, the person who wrote this (if it was even written by a person) probably was paid next to nothing to churn it out in a matter of hours, if not minutes. I think it was fireb0rn from the Hollow Knight community who did a video expose about this practice on many content farm article websites but I think it was since taken done because of course they fought him on it.
Man I love reading badly written game articles. One of my personal favourites is an article on fire emblem three houses talking about the best dancers where they said that the best dancer in the game was Manuela, who can't be selected to become your dancer.
To all of the people claiming that this article was written by AI, I just gave the prompt “Write an article discussing 8 smash bros tricks that aren’t allowed competitively” to ChatGPT. The topics it reciprocated were: 1. Wobbling 2. Stalling (example given was Jiggs’ rising pound in Melee) 3. Glitches (IC’s freeze glitch) 4. Modified Controllers (Turbo buttons and macros) 5. Stage Glitches (Poké floats invincibility while standing on certain spots) 6. Excessive Edge Camping 7. Chain Grabbing (mentions how chain grabs are sometimes allowed, sometimes not) 8. Infinite Combos Point being, while the AI wasn’t perfect, like separating wobbling and infinites, it still gave techniques that are ACTUALLY BANNED! Edit: I think the AI was referring to the janky collision on Poké Floats, as I couldn’t find an “invincibility glitch”
I was convinced this was just a really bad article at first, but that Pikachu Thunder section genuinely felt like it was written by an AI. It felt so disconnected and basic, it felt like textbook writing. Even people who don't know anything about Smash generally don't think of it as a team based game, even though that is a thing. It's either seen as a fun party game or a super serious competitive game. Not a team based matchmaking experience like that description seems to imply
i remember reading one of these awful articles about the top 10 or so best smash characters and it had ness, toon link, meta knight, DK, and ganon as major contenders for top spot.
“No one involved in this needs or deserves a mob going after them.” Nah, journalists need to be held to higher standards. Can’t just get away with doing poor research or using AI to make a quick buck.
The companies should usually get the hate though. Not the writers. They're usually rushed, underpaid, given unreasonable workloads, & generally treated like crap.
As someone who's been in the unfortunate situation of having to work for writing content mills to make ends meet, I can say for certainty that this writer should have and could have absolutely done better, however they were almost certainly working for around $7 an hour, unable to write with any passion or personality whatsoever (because they have to conform to a strict writing style, checklist and brand image), and considering you found this article at all, probably not with AI. AI generated articles are pretty easily picked up by Google and pushed to the depths of the algorithm, and while they certainly exist they'd more than likely be making up completely unrelated incidents with Smash, rather than pulling from examples that have some truth to them then direly misinterpreting them because they probably did a google search and got the bare minimum info to continue writing. Also, it was made in 2022, so if it were AI generated it'd probably be far worse than this lol. Also, as for your last question, it was likely they have a long list of claimable articles that anyone on the team can choose to write about, and given they were vaguely familiar with smash, decided to take this one on because it's money. When writing becomes more about money than passion, it's very easy to tell, and this is absolutely a case of that. Overall, not saying this is unfair criticism in the slightest, this article sucks, just wanted to shine some light under the conditions it was made in.
I feel like companies make articles bad on purpose. Even if you were a Smash novice, you would know exactly where to go to get this type of information. There's no way it was written this bad on accident. I think the funny thing is that they literally didn't talk about banned things. Some of these were just rules, slight rumors or nonsense. It feels more like a rant based on nothing. Like maybe this guy had a friend that likes the competitive ruleset and got dunked on one too many times.
For a brief window of time watching this, I thought “oh maybe this guy just hasn’t caught up on Smash Ultimate, so his knowledge of Cloud is just stuck in the Smash 4 days.” Then we quickly got into the “wait now he’s talking about items, has this guy ever seen Smash tournaments at all?” Immediately followed by “Wait, AI exists. This is definitely written by AI. There is literally no way in hell it isn’t written with AI.”
You can tell this is AI generated bc mistaking Pikachu's thunder with thunderbolt is exactly the kind of mistake an AI would make by looking up "Pikachu moves" and thunderbolt would be the first to show up because it's the most associated move with Pikachu in the franchise
I feel bad for the underpaid and overworked authors of articles like these (and the blame for quality is on their employers), but man do they make for great content.
It feels like they wrote this in the Smash 4 days (the pictures and Cloud thing make me think that), but they just renamed “Smash 4” to “Ultimate” to be relevant.
I swear this crap was written by AI. There is no way a human with no knowledge can use so many outdated sources from the Wii U era, but still get so much wrong
i feel for the author here tbh, this is clearly one of those sites on networks that horrifically mistreat their writers. there’s a fireb0rn video about it from a few months ago, but effectively writers are pressured to do minimal research and optimise headlines and tags and search terms more than anything else. they also get paid awfully and dropped without warning
No joke, back when I went to Smash 4 locals I was so casual with the game that I literally couldn't get the timing on smash attacks so I relied entirely on Limit Cross Slash for all of my kills.
CBR is pretty notorious for their absolutely terrible articles and straight up misinformation, especially when it comes to gaming and anime. Only go into them if you're planning on making fun of them; they never write anything genuinely good.
Wow, and I thought the one I read about the hardest Mario levels was bad. That one is at least subjective, but the ordering drove me crazy. They listed things like Darker Side and Perfect Run low and things like 7-Castle (NSMB) and 6-2 (NSMBW; which isn't even the hardest level in the world lol) higher. At least it ended with Impossible Pack and C-3. But no 9-7 (NSMBW), Run for It, or Special 8-Crown? Kinda weird... But THIS is way worse!
Thanks for watching! First off, idk why the intro's cut off, it wasn't in the file I uploaded. Nothing important was lost so I don't think a reupload is needed, all I did was say "this is bad" haha. It's been ages since I've roasted some Smash content, because it's honestly not often that I stumble across something so catastrophic that I'm totally comfortable doing it. This? This checks every single box though. Also like I said in the video, *leave the original creators alone.* I've corrected the misinfo, the job is done, it's not that serious at the end of the day.
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Bro I thought you found my 17 sub channel and was about to nuke me to kingdom come 😂😅 I spawned a sweat bead when I read that title!
this is ai I don't think you heard this enough these aren't human mistakes the are robots scraping data mistakes
Ain't no way this wasn't written by AI, it reads exactly like asking ChatGPT "write an article about 8 ban worthy techniques in Smash" or something like that and calling it a day
Exactly my thought.
I actually decided to test that by asking ChatGPT "Write an article about 8 banworthy techniques in the Competitive Smash Bros E-sports scene" and it honestly was better then the article in the video, because it actually mentioned stuff like Wobbling in Melee and Planking in Brawl, as well as controversial stuff like Chaingrabbing. It does mention Stalling like in the article but it doesn't say anything about Sonic's Homing Attack.
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT!
@@SeriousStrikeryeah, id argue this is too *stupid* to be written by an AI.
@@2-Way_Intersection The major mistake ChatGPT when I asked it to do that was as that it referred to the Ledge Grab Limit in Melee and Brawl as Ledge Trumping. So it did make some mistakes, but generally less then in the actual video.
That said, AI can be absolutely stupid. I'm thinking of the Google Play Sonic thread that recently came out, where everything was misinformation.
This article was written by AI. I can feel it.
I feel like people love to say “this looks like AI” when something is of poor quality, but there are definitely people out there who just make things that suck this bad lol.
Edit: also people say it to mean something feels derivative and corporately unoriginal but again, people are capable of doing that too
@@superfrubblez6123 I'm not saying that all willy-nilly this doesn't have the feel of bad human writing. This actually feels like AI.
This is just the sonic timeline thread by google play all over again
@@ShowWithNoNameYeah as someone who likes messing around with ChatGPT for shits and giggles, this feels so much like AI
@@bumibomberYeah exactly, it's the exact same style of writing
Man, I was just about to go rant at ChatGPT before you said I shouldn't harass the author.
😂
He sounds extremely sensitive about that as if he was the one who wrote the article
@@AGZharkit's just a better PR move to not risk harrassing an author even if the article is almost definitely ai
Almost certainly written by AI. I just asked it to generate a list of 8 things banned and it hallucinated a Ganon glitch where he could oneshot anyone with Warlock Punch lmao
Let’s be real warlock punch oneshotting anyone would not change much for ganon
except it was posted 10 months before chatGPT was launched. I don't know I don't like that everyone has just decided that all bad content is now "ai" even if it's years old.
Warlock can oneshot (most) characters, by hitting with the air version.... The thing is, the air version only counts when you hit with it, while ganondorf is in the air. Have fun hitting that!
@@audoodle9963 That's a good point. Even then, it could simply be using a different AI model that was available at the time
@@wolfbeat6427specifically also the aerial backwards warlock punch, you have to turn around also while mid air, which can kill Mario at 0.3%.
I don’t want to accuse the author of using AI or anything but this article does read like you asked Chat GPT to talk about Smash. What’s more likely is this is using extremely outdated “sources,” considering all the pics are Smash 4
It's 100% ai
Sonic could homing attack stall under the stage in Brawl and Cloud was softbanmed in dubs in smash 4. The vibe I get from this article is it's using "Smash" as a blanket term to cover the more blatant pieces of stalling and other controversial characters/playstyles throughout the entire series. All for those easy clicks ofc. Because the average viewer won't be able to tell the difference between Melee/Brawl & the HD titles.
It's definitely not talking about solely Ultimate.
I do want to accuse the author of using AI
The smash 4 stuff makes it more likely to be ai imo, gpt would easily confuse both, and has much more info on smash 4 than ultimate.
@@jstar3382 The article is from 2022, well before AI tools were becoming mainstream. For sites like this it's just common to get freelance writers to write slop like this who have no idea or interest in what they're talking about and give them a strict deadline for it.
1. Knocking the controller out of your opponent's hands
Turning the console off
Turning off the electricity
Punching your openent in real life
Using the ancient techniques of the Egyptian god Set and incinerating your opponents controller with a bolt of lightning.
Destroying the console
btw after checking her other articles, the author IS NOT a gamer and clearly wasn't writing in her area of expertise since she writes about anime and tv shows EXCLUSIVLY. she was probably ordered to write a smash article by her boss at the last minute and went off the 5 hours of smash she played in a party and a redit thread.
Which to my knowledge is a really common experience for these content farm sites, they give you a list of articles to “research” and “write” for subjects you know nothing about, and you have to pump out so many articles that you basically have to copy Reddit posts.
Most of these entries can be explained by someone desperately trying to re-phrase stuff that popped up after searching “Smash Bros Banned Reddit”. Like Sonic camping isn’t banned obviously but I’m sure you can find posts advocating for it lol
Whatsername? Alexa Jepetee?
You could honestly rename this article to “8 house rules I use when playing Smash with my friends” and everything would feel so much more in place
Except for the parts where it couldn't even pick something to try to say.
16:00 fun fact: the first time I landed marth's dair spike ever was in a doubles match on my own teammate in smash 4
The stuff that gets written on sites like these, even before the onset of generative ai, genuinely reads like the ramblings of madmen. You can practically taste the horrible deadlines they work under.
I'm having flashbacks to an article that suggested Farfetch'd should be purely normal type because its a flightless bird.
Farfetch'd, the duck Pokémon.
@@creature6715 And it even learns Fly. I just checked on Bulbapedia. It only took like 1 minute. How rushed are these writers?
@LeifTunteri-s7r They do. You'd be suprised at how much content you are expected to fabricate when writing for websites like these.
I'm talking writing and editing multiple articles per week, completely on your own, with mandated search algorithm optimization, for laughable compensation.
The outlets behind these articles are the problem.
@LeifTunteri-s7r That's an incredibly naive way of thinking. Getting a decent writing job without prior credentials is very hard. They work there because they don't have other options, not because they like to. They need to start somewhere, and in journalism that "somewhere" tends to be outlets like these.
And no, they can't just quit and do something else. They might need the money, some have invested time and funds into a degree in this field. The alternatives are often just as bad, doing jobs like these at least offers the hope of one day being able to work for a better publisher in the field they want to work in. Starting your own journal is not a reliable source of income either, and if anything, requires using the exact same content mill strategies to even have a chance of showing up in the algortihm.
I saw the thumbnail and thought we were gonna be looking at Shared Content
at least shared content has like
effort? plus it can be pretty funny at times
@@yggdrasilsaltarat worst, it’s just people being down bad but that’s just inevitable when games allow players to create content freely with their assets
Bro sammmmeee
don’t forget to add: Kirby‘s taunts are used to get rid of a copy ability
Fun fact: This is the ONLY exception to Elite Smash's taunting ban! Why the damaging taunts didn't also get it is still a mystery.
Articles like this are infinitely funnier when you remember people tried using AI as a lawyer. Yeah, I'm sure the thing that's telling me taunting is banned won't let me go to jail
Finally. A sequel to “The Worst Guide in Super Smash Bros. History”!
I don’t know why but pointing out when other people are wrong and the clowning on them is one of the most cathartic experiences. This was deeply satisfying to watch
It’s a weird feeling for me personally, I get a bit of secondhand embarrassment from these types of articles. Still very much appreciate the breakdown from MockRock about why it’s wrong and dumb though, he never fails to show how good he is at making his points
Yeah I encounter a lot of content like this so I enjoy seeing some breakdowns and callouts
@@NathanLouie
Okay context: valnet (cbr's parent company, they own a ton more sites but i digress) employees are overworked. They're essentially doing 70 hours a week so this was probably made in a mad dash to meet deadlines
I'm seeing a lot of claims that this was written by AI and, while I can see it from the lack of personality, the outdated information isn't a surefire reason. When Ultimate first came out, the publication TheGamer made dozens of videos capitalizing on it referring to things like Diddy Kong being the best character because early Smash 4 Diddy was what they decided to bring up as an example. Sometimes it really comes down to just being that ignorant.
I think this is interesting, because it's written like an article in the exact time frame you describe, but the article was published in 2022. The meta had already evolved past any assumptions like that being possible. The only explanation I can come up is that the ai used had a knowledge cut off of late 2018/early 2019, but even then it wouldn't make sense for an ai to only use screenshots from Smash 4.
This sounds kinda like it was written by someone whose main experience with Smash was casual Brawl, with the mention of things like Thunder spam, and tried to do a quick and shallow search on what Smash things were annoying so that it seems more up to date. I don’t even think there was anything specifically mentioned to be from Ultimate in this article.
As a person who uses AI on a daily basis to create content, this was 1000% written by AI
It's not just that the information is outdated, it's that it doesn't make any sense. It's a weird mishmash of things from Melee, Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate while also getting basic information about the game wrong. Some of these things would be impossible to know without doing research, but the mistakes would be impossible to make if research had been done. The only reasonable explanation is AI.
The weird understanding of the word "self-destructive" is what leads me to believe it's AI
"They were the ones who decided to write about it" I would bet money that the author did not *choose* to write about this, just like I didn't *choose* to cover the marching band in high school journalism lol
CBR is owned by Valnet, a corporation who overworks and underpays their "contract workers". Fireborn made a great video about this that was taken down by Valnet. These articles' shortcomings aren't the authors fault. They can't do enough research for the topic while also meeting their article quotas. I hope this can clear up why the article is this bad.
Comic fan here. Quality control and CBR have been feuding for a long time. They have been doing weird list like these with easy to find errors and odd mistakes for years. Once saw them do an article about Spider-Man costumes and had put the descriptions in the wrong place.
Homing Attack actually could stall under the stage in Brawl, if you’re beneath the stage it will still try to home in on an opponent and just bump off the ceiling and then you can do it again. Ofc it can be broken just by getting out of the Homing Attack’s range, but if an opponent just stands there on the stage, sure, he can Homing Attack forever
So it’ll always go upward or bonk on the stage regardless of if the opponent like goes on the top of battlefield and Sonic is below the stages he can stall there indefinitely?
That would be so funny
@@Alibaba-id1cs yep sonic could use homing attack multiple times in the air in brawl so that's exactly how it works lol
@@gio_setsunayes but like shouldn’t it lock ON the opponent or just fall downwards?
No shot unless it’s like fountain of dreams stage where you can do it forever. Gonna find my old Wii just for this LOL
Mock Rock Roasts sounds like a great channel idea! Or at least a video series idea :D
A channel? Definitely not lol, that's blatantly what MockRockTalk was set up for. A video series? We'll see, I don't really like going after peoples' work unless it's _very_ deserved (which this absolutely was), but not off the table if I find more 🤷♂
@@MockRockTalkembrace the easy content machine 😈
MockRoast
Or Mock Rock Mocks.
@@MockRockTalk well, I don't like negativity so I'm not gonna watch videos like this...
Unrelated, but I'm assuming that you're gonna do the full, "this character never exited" overhaul on your main channel for Zelda soon?
If so, is she gonna be the last one or are you planning on doing it with all badly rappresented (?) characters (one series at the time of course)?
Just judging by the wording of this article, it’s definitely AI. I’ve seen articles like this before, and the weird wording is always a giveaway.
This reminds me of that one “Smash Ultimate Xtreme” poster image that banned echo fighters like Lucas and didn’t let you use counters because they’re unfun and unfair
I wanna know how many people attended that tournament besides the host's 9 year old brother
@@keksidyProbably not Kyle because they banned duck hunt
I’m so glad someone else had the same thought
"Echo fighters like Lucas"
But Lucas isn't an echo fighter.
For "Pikachu using thunder(bolt) repeatedly was banned" the closest thing I can think of was when Pikachu/G&W was a banned team combo around the start of Smash 4 because Thunder could fill G&W's bucket way too fast, resulting in a near-instant kill move.
I think you're the only channel I would believe when they put "(Not Clickbait)"
Your first mistake was going to a gaming journalism website
Especially cbr
@@jobon7708Cbr is an AI run website that auto generates clickbait
"journalism"
I just told chatgpt to "write me an article about 8 ban worthy techniques in smash ultimate". It listed a technique that I'm pretty sure is banned, then the Bayonetta stuff from smash 4, then it just started talking about regular attacks that some of the fighters have and by the time it got to the conclusion it wasn't much better than this article if at all
So many people are saying this is by AI, I don’t agree. AI does a much better job lmao. I told ChatGPT to create an article with this title and this is what I got:
“**8 Special Bans on Techniques for Smash Bros Competitive Play**
In the competitive Super Smash Bros. scene, balancing the game to ensure fair and exciting matches is paramount. This balance often requires banning certain techniques that can disrupt the competitive integrity. Here are eight special bans on techniques in competitive Smash Bros. that have shaped the landscape of the game:
1. **Wobbling (Ice Climbers)**:
- **What It Is**: A technique where the Ice Climbers player grabs their opponent and uses a rhythm of attacks to keep them in a continuous grab-lock, leading to a guaranteed KO.
- **Why It's Banned**: Wobbling removes interaction from the game, making matches less about skill and more about exploiting this mechanic. It's seen as overly powerful and unfair.
2. **Infinites (Various Characters)**:
- **What It Is**: Techniques that allow characters to trap opponents in an endless series of moves, typically along walls or with repeated grabs.
- **Why It's Banned**: Infinites can result in matches where one player is unable to escape, making the game unbalanced and frustrating.
3. **Planking (Edge Stalling)**:
- **What It Is**: When a player repeatedly grabs the ledge to become invincible and avoid combat.
- **Why It's Banned**: Planking can excessively stall the game, reducing the overall pace and making it less engaging for spectators.
4. **Glitch Exploits (e.g., Meta Knight's Infinite Dimensional Cape)**:
- **What It Is**: Using programming glitches to gain an unfair advantage, such as Meta Knight's ability to stay invisible indefinitely.
- **Why It's Banned**: Exploits are not intended by the game's developers and can lead to unpredictable and unfair gameplay.
5. **Chain Grabbing (Certain Characters)**:
- **What It Is**: Using grab throws repeatedly in a way that the opponent has no chance to escape.
- **Why It's Banned**: Similar to infinites, chain grabbing can trap opponents and lead to zero-to-death combos, which are deemed unfair.
6. **Stage-Specific Bans (e.g., Stage Spiking Abuse)**:
- **What It Is**: Using certain stages to abuse mechanics like stage spiking (knocking opponents into the stage to immediately KO them).
- **Why It's Banned**: Some stages offer unique features that can be exploited in ways that disrupt fair play, leading to specific stages being banned in competitive play.
7. **Excessive Camping**:
- **What It Is**: When a player avoids engaging in combat and instead stays in a safe area, waiting for the timer to run out or for the opponent to make a mistake.
- **Why It's Banned**: Camping can make matches dull and uninteresting, with players avoiding interactions rather than engaging in skillful play.
8. **Stalling Techniques (e.g., Fox's Shine Stall)**:
- **What It Is**: Techniques where players use moves to delay the game indefinitely, such as Fox's ability to repeatedly use his shine move to hover in place.
- **Why It's Banned**: Stalling techniques prevent the game from progressing naturally, causing matches to drag on unnecessarily and reducing the competitive excitement.
### Conclusion
These bans help maintain a fair and enjoyable competitive environment for all players and spectators. As the game evolves, so too will the list of banned techniques, always striving for a balanced and skill-driven experience.”
Honestly, the dozens of authors that ChatGPT stole this from were kinda spittin'
That's WAY better than this article. Still not perfect, but this just goes to show how bad the article featured is.
It’s important to note this article came out over 2 years ago and generative AI has gotten a lot less terrible than it used to be, so that might explain why the article you generated seems so much better than the one in the video.
This is really interesting actually. Makes me think that someone must have used AI really incompetently to “research” for the article without fully understanding what to ask it
Chat gpt does make mistakes
This was hard to watch. I have no idea who thought this was good to publish. Some of the comments have been saying it feels like AI wrote it. I'm inclined to agree but whats funnier to me is that someone just wrote this because they thought they knew what they were talking about.
If this is all you need to be a blogger, I’ve got a career path ready for me
Gonna write a CS2 article about how much better the MP7 is compared to the AWP
Believe it or not, homing attack as a stalling tactic was a thing way back in Brawl. You go under the stage and use homing attack. It erroneously bonks under the stage and Sonic stays in place, and you can keep doing it forever. Banned in tournament, of course. It's extremely obvious the "author" doesn't actually know this, supporting the idea this is AI-generated. Incorrectly associating loosely-related factoids (e.g. brawl homing attack stall, current spin dash lame play) that exist on the internet seems to be a common thrme with AI.
Y’all are severely underestimating chat gpt’s accuracy
Tell that to the commenters who tested it themselves
And yes, I am aware that this article was surely not written by AI. It was made in 2022, before tools like ChatGPT became mainstream. Probably an underpaid journalist who was told to write a Smash article by an unforgiving deadline.
CBR used to be written by actual human beings who cared about comics. There was a fantastic series by Scott Shaw on oddball comics and a great comics 101 series that reviewed prominent runs and introduced me to some of my favourite comics. And then venture capital money enshittified it and it hurts my soul to see that logo.
Pretty sure that article was written by an AI.
EDIT: Yeah, point 3 is a dead giveaway, that's AI. AI has the problem where it cannot remember what it was even talking about, so it just kinda starts drifing off.
It also has the problem where it makes multiple consecutive numbered sections about the same thing.
Its not AI
This doesn't read like AI to me, not least because it's too vague. This reads like exhausted freelance copywriter desperately trying to meet a deadline
Sounds like the author got worked by a Sonic & got chat gpt to write a hit piece 😂
Banning someone because "they ruined your smash experience" sounds like the tournament is being run by a very juvenile person.
“No one threw a puppy off a roof, here.” Amazing lmao. But fr that’s some good perspective. Great vid tho still, super well thought out and articulate as usual, love the channel
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BRAWLHALLA MENTION? IN A MOCKROCK VIDEO?
That’s what I like to see!
TL:DW Verison: Author got bodied by a Sonic or ChatGPT got bodied by a Sonic.
I’ve asked chat GPT about smash before and this is exactly what it looks like. I would say with 99.999% certainty that this is an AI article.
I'm surprised that Steve wasn't even mentioned in this article. That was such a low-hanging fruit, and they didn't even grab that. Also, wtf was up with the number 3 entry?
They should host they own tournament with these moves
This is absolutely roasting an AI article the hallucinating is a dead giveaway
there comes a time in every community’s lifespan where they must bear the weight of a bad cbr article
CBR strikes me as a company who has its workers frequently locked out of the topics they want to cover, and left without enough time to do any proper research, thus scrambling hard to pump out their quantity quota, of which nothing is more important to the people in charge.
Pikachu spamming thunder, fast characters running away, items being unfair. This is all casual free for all matches.
how much we bettin on this not havin been (entirely) written by a human
This article has to be 100% AI written. I've seen a similar article written about Civ 6 that was so unbelievable inaccurate and incorrect about everything that gave the exact same vibes.
Brawl Homing Attack under the stage does the same thing as Peach against the side of the stage, and is banned stalling. This guy/AI just didn't know how to articulate that
i appreciate this takedown being less "this article sucks, adoy" and more "this article sucks and i have the information and backstories to prove it"
I saw it was by CBR and instantly had zero expectation of quality. And yet, somehow, i expected nothing but was still disappointed.
If feel like MockRock lost a few brain cells while making this video due to just how stupidly bad this article is
The sad thing is, the person who wrote this (if it was even written by a person) probably was paid next to nothing to churn it out in a matter of hours, if not minutes. I think it was fireb0rn from the Hollow Knight community who did a video expose about this practice on many content farm article websites but I think it was since taken done because of course they fought him on it.
Me when I realize Pikachu doesn't have Thunderbolt in smash when that's his most famous move.
I heard that first paragraph and I refuse to belive this wasn't AI
I knew the second I saw CBR that this was gonna be AWFUL
Is no one gonna talk about how like three of the points are just variations of “camping is banned”
The "not clickbait" is classic. Wow
I thought this video was clickbait, but the title said it wasn't so that was reassuring.
Man I love reading badly written game articles. One of my personal favourites is an article on fire emblem three houses talking about the best dancers where they said that the best dancer in the game was Manuela, who can't be selected to become your dancer.
I can smell GPT4 as if a dozen skunk had pissed on it
To all of the people claiming that this article was written by AI, I just gave the prompt “Write an article discussing 8 smash bros tricks that aren’t allowed competitively” to ChatGPT. The topics it reciprocated were:
1. Wobbling
2. Stalling (example given was Jiggs’ rising pound in Melee)
3. Glitches (IC’s freeze glitch)
4. Modified Controllers (Turbo buttons and macros)
5. Stage Glitches (Poké floats invincibility while standing on certain spots)
6. Excessive Edge Camping
7. Chain Grabbing (mentions how chain grabs are sometimes allowed, sometimes not)
8. Infinite Combos
Point being, while the AI wasn’t perfect, like separating wobbling and infinites, it still gave techniques that are ACTUALLY BANNED!
Edit: I think the AI was referring to the janky collision on Poké Floats, as I couldn’t find an “invincibility glitch”
I was convinced this was just a really bad article at first, but that Pikachu Thunder section genuinely felt like it was written by an AI. It felt so disconnected and basic, it felt like textbook writing. Even people who don't know anything about Smash generally don't think of it as a team based game, even though that is a thing. It's either seen as a fun party game or a super serious competitive game. Not a team based matchmaking experience like that description seems to imply
i remember reading one of these awful articles about the top 10 or so best smash characters and it had ness, toon link, meta knight, DK, and ganon as major contenders for top spot.
AI: Write an article about tricks in the video game "Super Smash Brothers" that have been banned in competitions.
“No one involved in this needs or deserves a mob going after them.” Nah, journalists need to be held to higher standards. Can’t just get away with doing poor research or using AI to make a quick buck.
The companies should usually get the hate though. Not the writers. They're usually rushed, underpaid, given unreasonable workloads, & generally treated like crap.
Next MovkRockTalk video: 8 moderately annoying strategies in competitive smash
Half of the article feels like the author yapping about strategies they don’t like
As someone who's been in the unfortunate situation of having to work for writing content mills to make ends meet, I can say for certainty that this writer should have and could have absolutely done better, however they were almost certainly working for around $7 an hour, unable to write with any passion or personality whatsoever (because they have to conform to a strict writing style, checklist and brand image), and considering you found this article at all, probably not with AI. AI generated articles are pretty easily picked up by Google and pushed to the depths of the algorithm, and while they certainly exist they'd more than likely be making up completely unrelated incidents with Smash, rather than pulling from examples that have some truth to them then direly misinterpreting them because they probably did a google search and got the bare minimum info to continue writing. Also, it was made in 2022, so if it were AI generated it'd probably be far worse than this lol.
Also, as for your last question, it was likely they have a long list of claimable articles that anyone on the team can choose to write about, and given they were vaguely familiar with smash, decided to take this one on because it's money. When writing becomes more about money than passion, it's very easy to tell, and this is absolutely a case of that.
Overall, not saying this is unfair criticism in the slightest, this article sucks, just wanted to shine some light under the conditions it was made in.
I know a lot of other people are already saying it, but this is absolutely written by AI.
I feel like companies make articles bad on purpose. Even if you were a Smash novice, you would know exactly where to go to get this type of information. There's no way it was written this bad on accident.
I think the funny thing is that they literally didn't talk about banned things. Some of these were just rules, slight rumors or nonsense. It feels more like a rant based on nothing. Like maybe this guy had a friend that likes the competitive ruleset and got dunked on one too many times.
Murdering your opponent is also banned
For a brief window of time watching this, I thought “oh maybe this guy just hasn’t caught up on Smash Ultimate, so his knowledge of Cloud is just stuck in the Smash 4 days.” Then we quickly got into the “wait now he’s talking about items, has this guy ever seen Smash tournaments at all?” Immediately followed by “Wait, AI exists. This is definitely written by AI. There is literally no way in hell it isn’t written with AI.”
You can tell this is AI generated bc mistaking Pikachu's thunder with thunderbolt is exactly the kind of mistake an AI would make by looking up "Pikachu moves" and thunderbolt would be the first to show up because it's the most associated move with Pikachu in the franchise
I feel bad for the underpaid and overworked authors of articles like these (and the blame for quality is on their employers), but man do they make for great content.
I think this guy did the Google Play Store Sonic thread 😂
So here we are, watching a reaction to an ai written article that was clickbaited with "not clickbait"
The final paragraph calling smash stages “levels” was funny asl
You know what I do when I don’t know something about a topic? I either do research from credible, recent sources or… I DON’T WRITE IN THE FIRST PLACE
It feels like they wrote this in the Smash 4 days (the pictures and Cloud thing make me think that), but they just renamed “Smash 4” to “Ultimate” to be relevant.
Looks like someone shoulda done more research before writing this article. Also great video :D
4:55 there is no author, ai 100% dug up something trying to make an article
I swear this crap was written by AI. There is no way a human with no knowledge can use so many outdated sources from the Wii U era, but still get so much wrong
i can't believe chatgpt lost to openai on sonic and wrote this whole article about it
i feel for the author here tbh, this is clearly one of those sites on networks that horrifically mistreat their writers. there’s a fireb0rn video about it from a few months ago, but effectively writers are pressured to do minimal research and optimise headlines and tags and search terms more than anything else. they also get paid awfully and dropped without warning
There's no way this wasn't copy-pasted from an AI
No joke, back when I went to Smash 4 locals I was so casual with the game that I literally couldn't get the timing on smash attacks so I relied entirely on Limit Cross Slash for all of my kills.
I would love to blame this on Ai, and it might ACTUALLY be, but I have seen bad CBR articles pre 2020 that were CERTAINLY written by a human.
as someone into anime powerscaling, I’m all too familiar with cbr putting out the worst “articles” and lists ever created
It's hilarious how the "thunderbolt" paragraph literally got worse and worse with every passing sentence fragment
Dang the article was so bad we didn't even get pre intro intro
I feel like this is just a disguised rage article. The last few were so dumb that it had to be personal.
CBR is pretty notorious for their absolutely terrible articles and straight up misinformation, especially when it comes to gaming and anime. Only go into them if you're planning on making fun of them; they never write anything genuinely good.
I actually asked ChatGPT to write an article like this, and it gave me a way better article than this.
Wow, and I thought the one I read about the hardest Mario levels was bad. That one is at least subjective, but the ordering drove me crazy. They listed things like Darker Side and Perfect Run low and things like 7-Castle (NSMB) and 6-2 (NSMBW; which isn't even the hardest level in the world lol) higher. At least it ended with Impossible Pack and C-3. But no 9-7 (NSMBW), Run for It, or Special 8-Crown? Kinda weird... But THIS is way worse!
Quick error I spotted: not only did early melee tournaments have items but so did EVO 2008 brawl for some reason
Maybe it was to give everyone else a chance to beat Meta Knight.
I’m pretty sure the guy in charge of EVO really hated smash and that was the reason
Seeing MockRock trying to understand the SD segment is like seeing someone trying to decipher Cicada 3301