More than a “Speaker” it’s a Concept.
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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0:00 Start
2:51 General Info
4:56 Q Technology
8:55 Subwoofer Placement
9:59 Treble Impressions
13:04 Midrange Impressions
14:25 Bass Impressions
16:39 Soundstage Impressions
17:45 Final Thoughts
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Ah, Ron has awakened to the idea of sub/satellite combos. Welcome to the club. It's better, because after all, where your midrange and treble sounds good, may not be the best place for the bass. So, place them each where they sound best I say! Anyway, good review, now you know why I got these over the 500s and why they remain a reference point in our arsenal to this day despite not getting dragged out ever single time for comparison. Sometimes, you just need a good, solid, jack of all trades speaker and the Concept 300 is THAT speaker. Good job, good review!
To be fair he was pushing for sub/sat combos for a while, Jay put out a vid where he asked 5 guys for preferences (floorstanders vs. Sub/sat) and Ron was the only one vying for subsat. That was about two years ago I think.
Maybe more experience with OB speakers should be had, to get a worthy reference.. 😉
Awake were long before that "club" were conceived. But it is good that the "recovering audiophile" is slowly getting there. 😉🎶🎵💕
Full range speakers with no subs is always better in my eyes. Nobody really knows how to set up subs or blend them with the speakers especially two of them.
@@sergeysmelnik uh-um, that’s quite a generalization. It’s not THAT difficult.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews yes not that difficult for the few people who know what they're doing and have proper dsp and know how to use it and even take measurements. But most people dont have that or know how to tune something like that and or use a single sub and just adjust the settings on the back of the sub. 99 percent of people also turn their sub up too loud. Every single system I ever heard even with giant REL subs they're set too loud and just dont blend in general. Reading audio forums with people using auto calibration they always complain they cant hear the sub and go in and turn them up manually. There is that 1 percent though that know what they're doing.
It's good to see you back in action - keep em coming big guy.
I am glad to see that you've reviewed the 300's and Q12 sub's as a system.
Great review, Ron. Greetings from Spain!
Not sure who to ask. I have a pair of JBL LX44 speakers that I would like to have crossovers refurbished or replace with new quality ones. Any suggestions, guys?
Very good. I enjoy your thoughtful reviews. Great production values as well.
Thank you!
I love what you've done with your room. Superb!
Always look forward to your reviews (and open chat). Keep 'em coming - you rock! Question that either you or fellow subscriber can answer....is there a decent (affordable) A/B switcher on the market that i can use to quickly compare audio of two different sets of towers (i have banana plugs but can build RCA conv if necessary)? Like flick a switch - listen to a pair of A's, flick switch again - listen to pair of B's for quick compare during same known audio. Thanks....
Denon pma2020 & Rotel ra1572 my 2 Stereo amplifikation good this Speakers?
9:00 always makes me a bit jealous where he places his speakers in the room. Someday I hope to own a house with a room dedicated only to 2-channel speakers without the "colorations" of life, such as other uses for that room, furniture placement in the room, walk paths, etc. Every home I've ever lived in has required my speakers to be within 1-1.5 ft of a wall.
Where did you get black diffuser panel ? What are they made of? And what affect did they have.Thank You .
Pi audio group sales them. They are made from pretty soft styrofoam so need to be painted to be effective as diffusers.
That was a great review I love that b-roll of the shot underneath the speaker on the stand that's pretty tight dude. ❤️✌️
Super stoked to see a new video drop from you today!
Thanks Dillon!
Amazing Ron!! You keep getting better and better in production video. Its amazing. Great review!!! Greetings from argentina!
Ron as you know context is critical (i.e. the room, speaker placement, accompaning electronics, the BUDGET). For those who like truly transparent speakers, with an expansive soundstage (they are slightly bright) Paradigm's Persona 5F & 7F are the ones for you. I've auditioned the Concept 500 (Floorstander of course), and it is a clean sounding speaker, but not in the class of the Persona line. Of course the 5F is more than double the price of the Q concept 500, four times the 300.
For those who enjoy the 'resonance effects' i.e. coloration produced by intentional flawed cabinet design check out the Scottish brand Fyne Audio (former Tannoy engineers & mngt.).
Hey Ron, nice review.
Not sure if you'll answer this question but.... Would you recommend using speaker/stand metal spikes if you're placing your speakers on concrete in a basement (with a rug of course)?
Thanks Ron
In those situations, I’d try something that damps the sound, rather than couples it like a spike would. Spikes generally work better in softer materials to help stabilize the speaker and couple it to the substrate or floor.
Thanks Ron...your the best.
I tried it before without spikes and preferred the sound but, so many audiophiles say spikes are a must.
you are a great reviewer!
Hey thanks!
How do they compare against the gr research encore?
This video is really great. Period.
Hey Ron, your videos just keep getting better. Excellent work.
Those quick cut aways are very funny
Ron, could you comment on your take on the triangle br08 and elac uf52? You've reviewed both and they are on my short list, can you make any comments about comparing them? Which you would prefer?
Thanks! Awesome content appreciate it
I prefer the uf52
I hadn't watched any videos of your's in a while, however this being my first in a long time i must say the production values are way good and far and away better perhaps than any hifi reviewer on YT. I also like the concept of the video as well.
Thanks!
Man, there’s nothing like a cold Coke in a glass bottle on a hot summer’s day. Now, I’ve definitely gotta go buy some. I really dig the design of the entire set up of these speakers and the stands. The Gelcore technology seems like a very intelligent idea to battle unwanted resonances. IThanks for the great review, Ron! 🎶👍🔊
Thanks Nick!
I might get a pair of these to use as the rear speakers in a surround sound system. What is the bass drop off point for these? Is it above or below 80 hertz?
Tube power amp?
Enjoyed that :-)
All of this gear is so beautiful 🤤
Tom!!!
Good ol’ Karl. Every violin or acoustic guitar depends on resonance for its sound. But there is a big difference between a device that produces sound (the violin / guitar) and one that reproduces it (the loudspeaker). Constrained layer damping is not a foreign or new concept. Several DIYers and high end companies have used this. Karl Heinz Fink and Q Acoustics just employed it to bring it to a lower price point. I am waiting for them to produce a “Concept 700” using 2 180mm (7”) woofers, 100mm (4”) midrange and tweeter and “Concept 700C” using the same driver compliment for a center channel (W MT W). They already have a Concept 200:Active out. What left is a 400 (big bookshelf), 600 (small floor standing), 700/700C, and a 1000 (Flagship/Statement).
You are something else...Thanks for your review of the Lounge...Great phono amp for the $$. Keep up the great reviews..
Thanks Dennis! Love the Lounge!
Another great video! With your discription of the sound of the speaker/system, I‘m able to get an answer if these fits my needs! 👍
Great! That means I’m doing my job!
Yeah man! Solid review their amigo.
Excellent review. The new studio/home in Texas is looking good.
Virtuoso review! One question though; who chose pink for the room treatments?!
Might want to check your monitor settings 🤣😂😅😁
@@Newrecordday2013 I reckon they're at least 'pinky' red tbf. could be my colour blindness though.... (that's 'color blindness' to you!)
Great review Ron! Been waiting for this one. What do you think of the stands around small kiddos as far as those wires go? Any concerns?
I haven’t had one accident or issue at all man! They were interested in them for 5 minutes and then left them alone after that. I haven’t had one trip or issue as well and what I love about the wires, is when you look down, you have a nice ruler to look at for positioning them perfectly!
Great B-rolls but 3:57 that’s the real money shot😂👌🏻
Nice Review Ron , Thank you ,
loved the insight on how the engeeners braced the cabneit a well grounded cabneit imho allows for better groundation which in return allows for overall better performace
This explains why you haven’t posted in a while, great job Ron. 👍🏻👍🏻
One of your better reviews... to the point.
Thanks Brian!
Based on Andrew's recommendation of the 300s and yours of the 500s I picked up a pair of these when they were on sale in January.
I live in a London apartment, the stand isolation is amazing when high speed trains go by - the building shakes but the speakers don't move. Nor do they transmit any vibration to the wooden floors.
Of course I use them with a pair of small subs, and a miniDSP with REW & Dirac to sort out the room modes. Mine have to be much closer to the front wall as a living room in a London apartment is a very different space to a dedicated listening room in a Texas house.
The bass is lovely, the mids superb, the highs are all there and are never fatiguing. And the soundstage? Sublime.
Glad to see you like them too, and not surprised, but even if you didn't it wouldn't bother me, I love these speakers and I love them more as time goes by.
Interesting. What's the model number of the MiniDSP you're using? Is it the one with integrated Dirac Live? I've yet to try Dirac Live and I'm curious how well it works for satellite & sub combos like yours.
I'm using the DDRC-24. The recommended procedure is to first use REW to get things as good as you can, then use Dirac after that for the final tweaking. Works incredibly well in my experience.
@@CraigArnolduk thanks for the recommendation.
I know youtube compresses the music but it does give a sense of how it sounds, at least in your room. Any plans to include any audio demos or have downloadable files available? Also, what stand is that for your components? Great review by the way!
Well obviously your benchmark review is going to be THE most awaited one for me now!
OK, obviously not a budget speaker, but Q Acoustics high-end line. But 4,500 bucks?!
What does this speaker have that for example an ELAC UniFi Reference, or ELAC DBR62, or a CSS Audio Criton Speaker - etc. etc. - the list goes on - doesn't have?
Is the Concept 300 really better? If so, how much better? Is it 2%, maybe 5% better, and if yes - and that's a big *if* - are those 2-5% worth paying an extra $ 3,500 or more?
Tough sell, if they were $ 2,500 bucks I'd say they'd be more competitive, but at this price point I'm surprised they're not made out of Gold:)
Great review, as always!
I wasn’t really interested in this speaker but your starting with those intriguing stands hooked me and your vid production and direction just keeps getting more sophisticated. Well done sir!
Great video!
But the bottle analogy were totally off.
The bottle is EXACTLY what EVERY bass reflex ported speaker use even the concept 300..
It is Helmholtz resonance:
* the bottle enclosure volume (speaker box volume)
* The length of the bottle neck (length of the speaker port)
* The cross section area of the bottle opening (the diameter of the speaker port)
Buy adjusting those 3 parameters so that the meet a desired target frequency for a speaker manufacturer to fill in the lowest frequencies that the woofer can't produce.
So as we see that resonance is highly desired and calculated/tuned to be there.
So unfortunately it is misleading to state something else.
I understand Ron what you were trying to achieve here but the bottle example is that we usually use precisely to demonstrate a Helmholtz resonator.
(You can try more or less liquid to simulate different enclosure volumes in the bottle and it will give higher and lower frequencies. The same with longer and shorter bottle neck and so on)
For hifi Helmholtz can be used as a room treatment. If you for example has a room mode with +10db @70 Hz. Then you can build and tune a box that is tuned at exactly 70 Hz that will bring down X dB @70hz depending on its volume and so on. The benefit is that that this treatment works very efficient at just one very narrow frequency band..
Keep up the great work!🙏👍🎵🎶💕
I am aware of all this which is why I said it’s not the perfect example. However, I did get to drink a coke and make a fun video so that’s a win win. Thanks for the comment and input. Appreciate you.
@@Newrecordday2013 Great 👍
A soda is never wrong!🤣
well said all moving coil speakers in a box are never going to be completely free from resonance effects
Hey Ron. Just curious. Have you also done in room measurements when placing the speakers 7 feet into the room? Seems like a lot and maybe why you are lacking low end.
Of course every room is different.
I’ve done both. The LOTS and taking measurements. Of course my room is pretty small. 12x17. But I can’t put my speakers more than 2’ from the wall or I lose mid bass punch. Verified from measurements as well.
Just curious.
Great channel!
That is a beautiful speaker!!
Love the review as ever Ron. I reckon these speakers with matching subs could provide a great home cinema experience. I don't think they do a Concept centre but the imaging is so good that it might not be needed. What do you think?
I agree, I doubt you would need one!
Ron, Tekton Lore. I see few reviews. If you have experience can you classify them with 4 characteristics? Warm or Bright etc. Would appreciate your insight. Emotiva Int amp would power them. Appreciate whatever you are willing to share.
Hey Jon, I haven’t heard that speaker so I can’t say.
I've not heard them, but on another channel, in the comments more than one person said the Lore were neutral sounding speakers, at least compared to Zu's Dirty Weekend. They said the Zu Dirty Weekends had more of a "Klipsch" top end bump.
@@Newrecordday2013 Thanks for the reply. As an idea, since no one seems to cover them, break them down into your style of easy to understand work. I appreciate your channel and, your response. Good stuff. Just a thought. Eric from Tekton, the guy also behind some Aprion speakers might be a nice new Speaker line to review? We have seen most all the rest and this is a USA built company. Just saying.
@@rosswarren436 My worry, having years of experience selling or rep ing Klipsch, is I do not want that "lively" or whatever term reviewers us versus "harsh". Thank you for the input though.
@@FlyGuy457 and to be fair we have to note that not ALL Klipsch speakers have that particular "sound" to them...Just some models...I would hope their legacy series (like the Forte IV) are now much more balanced...but I've never seen a frequency response graph so I can't say.
Wish Danny at G-R Research would get his hands on a pair and see what he thought. (And if he got in some Zu Dirty Weekends, what might he do to them as well?)
Nice job on the review. So glad it was a 19 minute video so I could geek out on the details, amp pairing, and your assessment.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm a believer in mass, make your speakers heavy enough (or weights on top) should make them withstand most vibration resonance
Mass is one way to handle resonance, that’s true!
They are not light speakers at all. They weigh 16.6kg each.
What’s the deal with the hihat during “midrange impression” . It’s distracting
Please review the Elipson 3210 speaker
I spot a Hegel Amp
Yeah that thing is glorious!
Your statement about speaker designers not dealing with resonance and calling it “art” , really made an IMPACT on me
That’s good Tom! Hope all is well and great to hear from you man.
I see what you did there...
This man is a natural born salesman! -I want a gray Fender cap! Wait, I have a black Fender Custom Shop cap. I want another!
Haha! Everyone needs 2!
Is it almost time for a new listening room tour? It looks massive and your symmetrical treatments are very pleasing.
Working on it
I want to know why it took so long to find the coke in the fridge. What else could have been in there
Dead bodies. My wife is crazy, Randy. I think I’m next.
Thank you for this video. I appreciate Q Acoustics approaching problems with innovative solutions. What are your go to tracks for:
1. Bass
2. Treble
3. Mid range
4. Tonal balance
5. Timber
6. Sound Stage / Imaging
7. Female Vocals
8. Male Vocals
9. Other?
I think you need to start making some comparison videos after so many postive reviews :D
I don't really like the look of the stands but it would match a modern industrial design interior.
Bro - amazing work. A Coke, Tommy Boy, and Arrested Development! Seriously a great review. You’ve more than arrived.
You do realize my parents stock those in the refrigerator in Texas. A real Coca-Cola with real sugar and a glass bottle I can't find that here in Florida welcome to Texas that is the best Coke for whiskey I'm just saying....😆. Now let's check out these speakers those stands are badass I've seen them when somebody's video we won't mention. We only shill NRD here, I'm flying out on the 29th I'm going to go home and see my parents
👍👍👍
Amazing, finally a new Concept 300 Review ... I'm struggeling which Speakers to get right now - Concept 300's or Buchardt S400 MK II's with their Stands ... technically the Concept's are even more interesting. I'm afraid the S400's will suit my style of hearing more .. I want to get some Arendal 1961 Sub(s) in the near future, until then I need to be happy with the Bass delivered - and I guess the S400's will win over the Concept 300's for me .. that's such a hard decision - beautiful they are - both!
Both are great speakers.
I guess that's why my speakers weigh 125lbs each. Very solid.....
Nice video. I did the cinematography! It’s a good look!
You nailed it! Checks in the mail!
That’s a really nice designed speaker. Although the „Q“ looks kind of cheap imho. Not the best solution. And although I get the idea of speaker and stand being a concept, the price of the stand is ridiculous. Actually even laughable, if you think of the production costs(50$-100$?) take care and thanks
that is quite normal price for official stands, if you check out other brand's stands, the price by q acoustics is quite average.
Bookies and subs for me all the way
A gel in speakers sounds like they wont Last very Long
No matter how well they may work, I couldn't live with those stands based on looks alone.
I think they look rad!
@@Newrecordday2013 They seem to be a "love it or hate it" kind of thing. Of course looks are subjective but they look broken to me.
Audiophiles struggle with their looks, but I have had more compliments from "normal" people on how fantastic these speakers look than I have ever imagined. Then you get to play some music and your guests are like "wow they sound amazing too".
Open baffles and ROUND boxes. Flat panels of every design are problematic and require enormous compensations to eradicate, to redact the needless vibrations. As shown here.
My Genelec speaker stands cost about the same with stand plates, and are much, much more sturdy. They can hide multiple XLR, power, and ethernet cables too.
Very nice! Would fit in my room with one sub please! Crazy nice speaker's!
Ron Play those speakers ---
les pieds ressemblent au concept de Theodore waddel (la table )
if u need interesting subs.........hmmm Teufel,.....abd hmm where is the PRO angle, like the studio monitors stand
Pretending to look for coke LOL, good acting dude.Perhaps not Oscar material, but still ...
You should have seen my wife as I put my camera in the fridge. 🤣😂😅
The best "speaker mounts" I ever heard having a positive effect, was not a stand at all. My speakers were being suspended from small chains from above. Had heard the effect in two different systems. In a phone conversation I had with Dick Sequerra (it was concerning his Met 7 mk ll speakers I was listening with at that time) he concurred with me. He said that its a most excellent way, for he had his personal speakers hung also. The problem is when hooks need to damage the cabinet's perfect finish on top. Small 'hook and eye turnbuckles' were implemented to hold the chains to the speaker cabinet, so that fine adjustments in length could be made in leveling out each speaker. The speakers breathed and it opened up the bass and over all sound in a pleasing way... If someone could find a way to mount speakers this way without damaging the finish it could prove very interesting.
How about using flat brass picture chain? Fix two chains to the back of speaker.the front two can be fixed by using the top two bass mid mounting screws.
@@cliffordking3722 As long as they are strong enough... yes. I would not mess with the speaker mounting screws to hang them. It will not hand properly When the cabinets are suspended from the top the cabinet becomes like a plumb bob.
@@genez429 OK.How about making a couple of hammocks!
@@cliffordking3722 That would be most likely unstable. And,, you could not adjust both speakers to angle exactly the same. They need to hang like a surveyor's plumb with all weight hanging down. If you screwed the speaker cabinet to a stationary mount it would choke the sound. I learned this the hard way. Someone might construct a frame to go around the speaker cabinets that is high enough to allow for some chain use. That was what I once thought would be a great way to do it. The problem, again. Is putting holes in the cabinet on top to place the hooks for the chains.
Hi
TrickDaddy.
Coke in a glass? A man of taste, I see..
Iz te brade ce nesto da se izleze
Real Coke comes out of a bottle not a can!
Show me a $1000 speaker stand and I'll show you someone who shoulda bought a floorstander over a bookie.
This just feels too much of a sales attempt than a review. I feel too much production went into this. Kinda got away from the review feel and more salesman feel. You kinda lost the "I can relate" style of reviews.
Damnit, almost got you badd99! Almost…
@@Newrecordday2013 hey I love your work but I'm not a huge fan of this flavor
man those red panels are ugly. otherwise- great review!
Damnit, I bought you a few for your birthday. I’ll email them to see if they come with a gift receipt.
I'll never drink Coke again after thier virtue signaling "wokeness".
Other than that, great video!
I'd recommend throwing on some great music and relaxing.
@@adamfrost9048 , I do every night! My passion, indeed. Still never drinking Coke products again. Of course, easy for me now because I only drink unsweetened tea, water, and whiskey, neat! 😁
lol.... normally, something isn't sold as a finished product while it's still a "concept". Sounds like a bit of marketing BS.
I hate coke👎
More like a pair of 400$ speaker to me...stealing money for no reason