Eren killing 80% of the planet to protect Paradis is by no means a positive action. But it does hammer home the dangers of genocide, systems of oppression and wars of extermination. If you poke the bear enough, somebody just may repay you all the hate you dumped on them. Marley and other nations learned that the hard way. And judging by Paradis getting nuked in the distant future, the Jaegerists failed to learn the same lesson. It's likely they expanded outside of Paradis, while the remaining 20% lived in a destroyed world in refugee tents, dying of starvation and cold winters, and hating Eldia more and more over the years.
THIS is why i love vinland saga more. ive literally been abused my entire life and i dont try to do the same of course- im tired. and keeping these enemies with me gives my abusers power. no. i dont allow them to have power over me- im a force than changes others.
Eren cant enjoy the beauty of the world until he removes the cruelty of it THIS IS BASICALLY FALSE/DARK FREEDOM while Thorfinn is an inspirational character who actually sets aside his rage and basically embodies the theme 'the world is cruel but also beautiful' Armin is the direct contrast to eren as he represents TRUE FREEDOM
Because one doesn't have people that they care about that are in danger and the other is living in a situation where it's his people's death or everyone else.
@@AM17titan Armin is not thorfinn. You do realize Armin was also not totally against the rumbling right? He was just against it on a Global scale. Thorfinn would've never been for the rumbling to begin with. No matter the scale. Which means paradis and Eren's friends would've been killed under his philosophy. Aot's world is much more not forgiving than Vinland saga's world. That's why I keep emphasizing that people shouldn't compare Eren and Thorfinn cause they're not in anyway close to being in similar situations.
ok, great video and editing at the start bro! BUT did you use ChatGPT type bot to write this video's script or am I the only one who thinks it sounds like some AI bot type para?
@aryangupta3205 yo I was really curious to see if it was AI or not so i copied the whole script into QuillBot AI detector and it said "100% of text is likely AI-generated"
Yes, but NO. With Eren's power blessed by Ymir he could have made changes, sympathy towards his people, the pros and cons, proper argument by directly voicing it to the world, but he didn't. He simply went the extremist route like a college/hs who just learned about an ideology goes extremists route. Thorfinn on the other hand also went through the same shit with different lenses. He understood principles of glory of war, he understood violence and killing enemy FIRSTHAND and "firsthand" knowing through his scouting days as a child how people not that different yet he killed them anyway. Eren ONCE felt that and consider himself a failure, decided to kill himself through mindless genocide and mercy kill by Mikasa. Thorfinn bottled that guilt of hundreds, KNOWING he killed innocent fathers, brothers, and sons essentially with vikings raped their mothers, sisters, and daughters and decided to carry that burden to build the world instead of burning
@@abidyo This is absolutely not true. Their situations are not close to being comparable. You're taking surface level aspects of both characters struggles and then using that as an excuse to shit on Eren, or present Eren as this guy who woke up and chose extremism. As if he wasn't stuck between two horrible situations. The only reason Thorfinn was able to find peace was because he had a place to escape to (vinland). This is literally said by Thorfinn himself. That's literally the only reason he was able to keep up his profound philosophy. Eren had no luxury of being a pacifist like Thorfinn. His world/nation was going to be gone, genocided by the global allaince in a few months. I don't think you're conceptualizing just how insane that actually is cause you're not looking at this through Eren's perspective. He had 4 years left to live, he was facing multiple fractions at once while having limited time to act. Eren didn't brun the world because he was some psychopath. His back was against the wall, and every action he took was like a gun was up against his head. This is what you're not understanding cause you keep thinking Eren's situation is the same as Thorfinn. Eren had few years left to live, the global allaince was going to genocide his people and loved ones within a few months, historia was on a verge of being used as a breeding machine, the politics in paradis were getting more dangerous by the minute. Again, Eren had no luxury of pacifism, all those things are like a gun waiting to blow his brains out. And you're minimizing his situation by making him seem like his actions were unreasonable, when the story itself shows you the opposite. As my father said: "it's easy for Thorfinn to claim he has no enemies because the whole world isn't trying to genocide his own people. So don't compare the two" (he was telling my sister), Eren unfortunately had no luxury to make such statements cause his enemies were waiting around the corner to destroy everything he loves.
@@abidyo Eldians were subjegated to a never ending nightmare of lies, brainwashing and being turned into monsters for war againts their will. On top of that the whole world wanted them genocided. So no shit an emotional teenager like Eren becomes an extremist, he could never enjoy the beauty and freedome of the world when his wole race is met with hate and threat of extinction. He didn't want to make changes with the Founders powers becouse that meant bending the knee like cattle to his oppressors.
@@AM17titan yes, but he didn't just wake up and said "wow I want to do the rumbling". There were multiple incentives that caused him to end up in that position of wanting to do the rumbling. Oh I just realized you're that guy who goes around hating on Aot. You have no bone of genuine discussion in you. You're just a hater.
@@jlboss_ps4751 Okay edge lord garbage character i mean how???? Eren went from wanting to kill all titans being weak getting kidnapped to being strong sympathizing for the enemy trying to save the world from titan powers and destroying civilization killing all humans totally making himself look like the ultimate bad guy how is that garbage character?? Have you even watched to show like how brainless you have to be to say that statement
Great video bro👍🏾
Eren and thorfinn are both masterfully well written characters
Great video man
Eren killing 80% of the planet to protect Paradis is by no means a positive action. But it does hammer home the dangers of genocide, systems of oppression and wars of extermination. If you poke the bear enough, somebody just may repay you all the hate you dumped on them. Marley and other nations learned that the hard way. And judging by Paradis getting nuked in the distant future, the Jaegerists failed to learn the same lesson. It's likely they expanded outside of Paradis, while the remaining 20% lived in a destroyed world in refugee tents, dying of starvation and cold winters, and hating Eldia more and more over the years.
Great video, this channel should be bigger
THIS is why i love vinland saga more. ive literally been abused my entire life and i dont try to do the same of course- im tired. and keeping these enemies with me gives my abusers power. no. i dont allow them to have power over me- im a force than changes others.
Eren cant enjoy the beauty of the world until he removes the cruelty of it THIS IS BASICALLY FALSE/DARK FREEDOM
while Thorfinn is an inspirational character who actually sets aside his rage and basically embodies the theme
'the world is cruel but also beautiful'
Armin is the direct contrast to eren as he represents TRUE FREEDOM
Because one doesn't have people that they care about that are in danger and the other is living in a situation where it's his people's death or everyone else.
@ armin is in Vinland saga’s world or Aot ?
Isayama literally gave you a direct parallel to eren and you are still denying it or ignoring
@@madmank7881 well said 👏
@@lorcejay2596 armin is also in Aot’s world right ?
@@AM17titan Armin is not thorfinn. You do realize Armin was also not totally against the rumbling right? He was just against it on a Global scale. Thorfinn would've never been for the rumbling to begin with. No matter the scale. Which means paradis and Eren's friends would've been killed under his philosophy. Aot's world is much more not forgiving than Vinland saga's world. That's why I keep emphasizing that people shouldn't compare Eren and Thorfinn cause they're not in anyway close to being in similar situations.
Which ai for voice over?
Btw 1st vew
I think it was clove from chat gpt or something
Great comparison of two great characters :)
I also recomend you Ken Kaneki character from Tokyo Ghoul (manga).
top 2 favorite shows
Nine comments are crazy this is straight up gas🔥🔥💯💯
ok, great video and editing at the start bro! BUT did you use ChatGPT type bot to write this video's script or am I the only one who thinks it sounds like some AI bot type para?
@aryangupta3205 yo I was really curious to see if it was AI or not so i copied the whole script into QuillBot AI detector and it said "100% of text is likely AI-generated"
it is the GPT Ai voice u are not mistaken
Aot is the best story ever told after germany 1939 painter. But aot is influenced of ww2
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Stupid video. Their situations arent comparable
Yes, but NO. With Eren's power blessed by Ymir he could have made changes, sympathy towards his people, the pros and cons, proper argument by directly voicing it to the world, but he didn't. He simply went the extremist route like a college/hs who just learned about an ideology goes extremists route. Thorfinn on the other hand also went through the same shit with different lenses. He understood principles of glory of war, he understood violence and killing enemy FIRSTHAND and "firsthand" knowing through his scouting days as a child how people not that different yet he killed them anyway. Eren ONCE felt that and consider himself a failure, decided to kill himself through mindless genocide and mercy kill by Mikasa. Thorfinn bottled that guilt of hundreds, KNOWING he killed innocent fathers, brothers, and sons essentially with vikings raped their mothers, sisters, and daughters and decided to carry that burden to build the world instead of burning
@@abidyo This is absolutely not true. Their situations are not close to being comparable. You're taking surface level aspects of both characters struggles and then using that as an excuse to shit on Eren, or present Eren as this guy who woke up and chose extremism. As if he wasn't stuck between two horrible situations. The only reason Thorfinn was able to find peace was because he had a place to escape to (vinland). This is literally said by Thorfinn himself. That's literally the only reason he was able to keep up his profound philosophy. Eren had no luxury of being a pacifist like Thorfinn. His world/nation was going to be gone, genocided by the global allaince in a few months. I don't think you're conceptualizing just how insane that actually is cause you're not looking at this through Eren's perspective. He had 4 years left to live, he was facing multiple fractions at once while having limited time to act. Eren didn't brun the world because he was some psychopath. His back was against the wall, and every action he took was like a gun was up against his head. This is what you're not understanding cause you keep thinking Eren's situation is the same as Thorfinn. Eren had few years left to live, the global allaince was going to genocide his people and loved ones within a few months, historia was on a verge of being used as a breeding machine, the politics in paradis were getting more dangerous by the minute. Again, Eren had no luxury of pacifism, all those things are like a gun waiting to blow his brains out. And you're minimizing his situation by making him seem like his actions were unreasonable, when the story itself shows you the opposite. As my father said: "it's easy for Thorfinn to claim he has no enemies because the whole world isn't trying to genocide his own people. So don't compare the two" (he was telling my sister), Eren unfortunately had no luxury to make such statements cause his enemies were waiting around the corner to destroy everything he loves.
@@abidyo Eldians were subjegated to a never ending nightmare of lies, brainwashing and being turned into monsters for war againts their will. On top of that the whole world wanted them genocided. So no shit an emotional teenager like Eren becomes an extremist, he could never enjoy the beauty and freedome of the world when his wole race is met with hate and threat of extinction. He didn't want to make changes with the Founders powers becouse that meant bending the knee like cattle to his oppressors.
@@lorcejay2596 dude eren literally said he wanted to do it lol
@@AM17titan yes, but he didn't just wake up and said "wow I want to do the rumbling". There were multiple incentives that caused him to end up in that position of wanting to do the rumbling.
Oh I just realized you're that guy who goes around hating on Aot. You have no bone of genuine discussion in you. You're just a hater.
Imagine comparing a garbage character like Eren to a well written and well developed character in Thorfinn
Ya keep dreaming bro
@ stay coping 🧠💀 fanboy
@@chrispolo25 you speak like a 14 year old
@ so are you
@@jlboss_ps4751 Okay edge lord garbage character i mean how???? Eren went from wanting to kill all titans being weak getting kidnapped to being strong sympathizing for the enemy trying to save the world from titan powers and destroying civilization killing all humans totally making himself look like the ultimate bad guy how is that garbage character?? Have you even watched to show like how brainless you have to be to say that statement