I wouldn't say different situations. they're more like 2 sides of the same coin. both strive for the same end goal and destiny except that one's driven by hate, and the other by love.
Eren did not hate the people in the outside world he just hated it cause it was not what he imagined in Armins book plus he even told the people outside the walls and inside are the same eren has no choice but to do the rumbling to protect his country and loved ones there's no running in aot even thorfinn would most likely try to do the euthanasia plan but would probably end up doing a mini rumbling cause peace treated were not possible the whole world considered eldians as a devil race
@@AdinJobythorfinn from non violence convinced canute to withdraw his forces he would try to do the same in that world he too won't choose euthanasia that is the point may be they couldn't get the all end peace in aot world but he would try convincing them not from brawn but from brain
@RishiKashyap-ur9yu do you think being a pacifist would convince the marleyands and rest of the world that the eldians who killed millions of a people in a span of 2000 yrs ago would maintain peace?
@@RishiKashyap-ur9yu and you think talking would've worked in Aot? Lmao I love Vinland saga but Thorfinn's ideological views would not get him too far in the world of Aot, especially against Marley
Brilliant. This video catches ideological similarities and differences of these amazing stories and characters, usually people just put them as the opposites.
Thank you! :) There are many similarities and opposites between the two. I can’t help but imagine what could’ve happened if Eren had had Thorfinns dad instead of his own. Someone to teach him what the world taught Thorfinn.
@@CasualBlueLemon The problem is that Eren wrote his father's story as much as his own. Grisha didn't make Eren into Eren, Eren made Grisha into Grisha. It was an inescapable fate for a tragic anti-villain.
I want to show this to all my friends but they Either don't like one or the other or haven't seen both. It's a shame, such beautifully contrasting series. This must be one of my favourite edits on youtube. thank you so much for this.
The contrast between the two character gives us so many lessons. Especially when they both had a similar starting life. But atleast Eren had friends, poor Thorfinn only had suffering.
The difference between the two is basically how much power and freedom one possesses in their own universe. Thorfinn was the son of Thors and slowly came to be one of the strongest people in the franchise at a young age. Eren didn't, he grew up only know that he was weak and not in control of his own life which led him to fight for that freedom, on the other hand Thorfinn had already gotten to that part of his story early on and then proceeded to realize the real reason one has power is to defend. Basically Eren cringe Thorfinn based
Eren had options, he just never committed. He always looked to someone else to tell him what to do, never planned anything for himself besides killing everyone. At the end of the day, Thorfinn didn't want to hurt people. We know this from is experience at the farm. Eren did want to hurt people. We know this from his confession to the refugee child.@@lazyotaku6944
On the other side of ocean there is a land of freedom where no enemy can find you from vinland's perspective and in aot, on the other side of ocean there are enemies who had been continuously torturing eldians. Amazing parallels and learn to appreciate both this characters since their story is completely different as each one has their own perspective
@@CasualBlueLemon the scene where eren cries over the children in poverty that he met is alot like the scene where thorfinn looks at the mother who took care of him and saved him and at that point neither of them were strong enough to let go and change but in the end thorfinn was strong enough to change and become a true warrior when eren was still a crying child asking for his friends to take him out of this world of suffering and hoping theyd be strong enough to do what he couldnt
This is gold! Never thought of this parallel, they both use different methods basically to achieve the same goal, to create a paradise for a few people and when they both saw themselves in "Valhalla", Eren decided to stay there. Amazing edit!
That's the key difference. Thorfinn has somewhere to run away to. "Across the sea, there is a land called Vinland". A free land without war or enemies. But Eren had nowhere else to go. "On the other side of the ocean, there are only enemies". His only option was to fight. Amazing AMV
I think by surrrendering to the futare he seen. He became perfect reflexion of violent world he was in. Eren wanted his friends to be safe but he becouse he was born into this world he couldn't see solution without violence. Thorfin tries with every fiber of his being to solve his problems without violence. Like Thorfin said "Did you try to talk this throu?" There was a way to avoid violence but he didn't try hard enouph to find it.
@@cub-square well said. It's like he said, he's just a "garden-variety idiot who fell into power". He isn't actually special, just the son of a special man who began the story. Things would have been vastly different (and better) if it were Armin who had that power. His intelligence and purity would have led to a different outcome
@@schitz1674 Exactly. Armin and Thorfinn are essentially philosophically aligned. However, neither Armin or Thorfinn, or most people actually could have freed Ymir. That's the complexity of AoT. The world had to die to free Ymir. The curse was such that only this scenario where Eren pushes his friend into killing him to stop the rumbling could realize Ymir's liberation, which Eren kept moving forward to. This alone blurs even more Eren's morality. Had he been not as freedom-enclined, the world would have survived, but the curse would have remained, and Ymir's soul would have been trapped for eternity... The moral dilemma then is, does the world deserve peace when a child is being abused under this comfort?
@@fs400ion yea that's a great way of looking at it. Eren's nature led all of the story's events into place. I think the curse of the Titans could have been eliminated by Zeke's plan if Eldians eventually went extinct. But idk if that would have freed Ymir. Perhaps Zeke could have freed her but that would only be if she gave him the founders full power.
I love it. When I was watching Vinland Saga I also spent a long time thinking about the similarities in both of the stories and how Eren and Thorfinn went in opposite directions, I'm glad you immortalized it in a video. While Eren falls lower and lower, Thorfinn slowly climbes. While Eren uses violence, Thorfinn will use love. While Eren's thoughts are clouded with hate, Thorfinn's are clouded with hope. Wonderful video.
@@floch-jaeger9485exactly bro eren is not doing the rumbling bc he hates the other side and wants to get revenge he said it himself the only reason he’s doing is to end the hate filled history of ppl hating eldians to end it all
@@grizz1795 literally bro eren is not doing the rumbling bc he hates the other side and wants to get revenge he said it himself the only reason he’s doing is to end the hate filled history of ppl hating eldians to end it all
Oh, that’s an amazing idea! If I make another parallel video between AoT and VS in the future, I’ll make sure to add that. I’ll ofc credit you for giving me the idea :)
bruh holy shit you have the created one of the best video of how a person turn from good to bad or vice versa no one wants to be bad you have showed what anime is capable of I have thought of the mentality of both character and this video is that thought i have seen both of the story and your editing bruh i cant image how much time that you might have invested in this video and the very little detail of the subtiles changing from white to red that cut at 3:7 sec is so prefect as eren is sreaming and was going to the wrong path and thorfinn going up wards to the right path is prefectly done and a special thanks for putting this video in 4k thanks
Thank you! That’s all I could have wished to achieve :D I’m so happy that you noticed all the details I put in. And no problem - I strive to make all of my videos in 4K!
The difference is that Eren didn't have a figure in his life that opposed violence. Thorfinn remembered his father's message and held onto it. Eren lost his parents and was never taught differently.
But he did. He had Armin. He had Hanji. He had people saying "no, this is too far, no, we cannot solve violence with more violence." And he did it anyway. He didn't just join the cycle, he became its worst manifestation, come to destroy mankind. That's the tragedy of it. Eren was consumed by the cycle of violence and became it; Thorfinn, after so long inside it, learned to escape.
tbh Eren situation was very difficult to get out of (after they learned the truth), him and his people were trapped into being the world's enemy, and Eren being who he is, it only makes sense he became what he became. And for me the person who really saved Thorfinn was Einar
@@samuelwithers2221 Armin and Hange still believed it was necessary to kill others in order to secure their survival. And none of them told him he was going too far until it was way too late (Raid on Liberio).
@@samuelwithers2221 The same Armin that told to Eren to abandon his humanity and don't see any problem when Eren say hello i have kill 80% of the world population? And Hanji has never be able to show a other way to Eren even when he was desperately asking for it (the prison scene)
@@saltator8565yeah but Eren knew about the future for years and he decided not to tell the people he trusted most who he considered the smartest either. He didn’t let Hange or Armin know the full extent of the situation and when they didn’t come up with a solution to a dire problem they didn’t know existed he resorted to world genocide
A very interesting video that doubles as a comparative case study of how two characters diverge on how to deal with the cards they were dealt. Subscribed.
I like how this feels like both characters are debating on their ideals of freedom, with Eren claiming the only way he can be free is if he kills his enemies and Thorfinn claiming he has no enemies and then Eren talks over Thorfinn, it's so in character and it works perfectly! I can imagine this would happen if they ever interacted.
@@CasualBlueLemon Lots of people mentioned Thorfinn’s pacifism wouldn’t work in Attack On Titan considering Eren’s position. But I guess he could convince Eren to do a small scale rumbling
Great job with this, these are my two fave animes and they really do have a lot in common whilst being almost completely opposite. Mappa did a fantastic job with season 4 AoT and Vinland. You earned my Subscription today buddy. Thanks.
I’m glad you liked it! These animes are amazing - they are easily my favorite ones, too. Thank you so much for the subscription! I’ll do my best to continue making videos you like :)
Wow! I just love your editing and your ability to capture the essence of shows. Great choice of music too! Your videos keep getting better, even though the previous ones are already so well made. Pleasure to watch your content! Great showcase of the parallels and where the two stories / characters part ways.
Thank you so much! I was uncertain about the music, so I’m happy to hear it was a good choice. I always appreciate you watching my videos and commenting. It makes me so happy to see that you continue liking what I do. So thank you for sticking around for so long :D
Both of them are slave of their own ideals. Just because both of them hold a power and ability to attract people, every action of them will impacting others.
Haha, that would’ve been a fun plot twist ( ´∀｀) Imagine if Eren had had someone to teach him about non-violence, like Thorfinn had. Instead Eren got stuck in this violent mindset… Thank you! Will do 🫡
I don’t know the different futures Eren saw, but seeing the power he now possesses, I believe there must have been one more peaceful route. One that doesn’t sacrifice all Eldians and not all of the world - perhaps a midway point. I think that Eren is aiming to fulfill more than securing the lives of the people on Paradis. I haven’t read the manga, but I assume he is striving to break the curse of Ymir to save the future world and that this is the only way for him to do that. But I have no clue; like I said, I never saw the possible futures Eren chose from nor have I read the manga. So I’m excited to find out! :)
@@CasualBlueLemonEren saw one immuable future, he can’t change it the thematic of his character it’s not about ennemies or freedom but about slavery to his desire of freedom because he will never achieve it. So, compare him to Thorffin it’s great when it’s about the dynamics of their (ennemies) Marley and the world and for Thorffin it is all the Vikings World who is not according with his « I have no ennemies »
I feel like the difference between the two can be compacted into Thorfinn's line: "As long as I have somewhere to run, I will not fight." He always has somewhere to run. Across the sea to Iceland or across the whole ocean to Vinland. And until those places are no longer safe, he will not fight. Thorfinn threw himself into combat and the cycle of violence and hatred for personal goals. Then, he realized that it isn't the way to live. Thus, he left it by choice; just as he joined it by choice. Eren, on the other hand, had no choice. He was born on an island where he was essentially made a slave from birth. And the people enslaving him and wanting to kill his people were those across the ocean. There was nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. At least, if he wished to protect his friends and his home. From the virtue of being born, Eren didn't have freedom. He lacked freedom to choose, freedom to run, and the freedom to live. Which can be compacted in the line "To gain my own freedom, I will take the world's freedom." I think the AOT ending song 'Akuma no Ko' can represent this well. "If we had wings like birds, we could go anywhere we wanted to. But if we don't have a home to return to, I'm sure we can't go anywhere at all." Basically summarizing Eren's struggle with having nowhere to run and being caged in. Also showing why he does the Rumbling; he's like a bird stuck in a cage because if he tries to run, his home will be destroyed by the people across the ocean meaning everyone he knows and cares for on the island will be killed. Overall, I feel like that ending does a great job at capturing not only Eren's mentality, but also Eren's situation. Definitely check out the translated lyrics if you have the time. In short, for Thorfinn, renouncing violence gains him freedom from his self imposed chains. For Eren, renouncing violence would remove his freedom and chain him completely. Two similar characters with the same internal struggle (to break the cycle of hate or continue to perpetrate it,) but two wildly different situations influencing the outcome of their choices.
This is a great in-depth analysis! Thank you for sharing it :) I will make sure to read the lyrics of Akuma No Ko next time I listen to it - I like the song, but I haven’t analysed it further than the title. It’s a great song ^_^
Thank you 🙌 many people missed that important detail, that line is what set them apart and make them oppositions. One had a place to escape to, while the other did not.
Two sides of the same coin. Both want peace and freedom but both are tasked in different situations to attain that peace. Thorfinn is not held down by fate and have the responsibility of of the world and his own people. He can run as far has he can from the grasps of war in Europe to create his own land of peace and freedom for this who want to follow. Eren is tragically forced by fate as he sees and outcome that forever can’t be changed not because it’s already set in stone, but because of the human nature of wanting to live and protect those you care about and love. After trying everything in his power change the future by trying to talk to the enemy, and the enemy refusing to compromise and understand the eldian people of paradisse he is forced to destroy the world around him in order to protect his home, his people, and his freedom. One side of the coin(thorfinn) has the freedom to seek his own peace and create a land free of war, while the other side of the coin(Eren) is forced by fate and his own enemies to fight to the bitter and brutal end. They are both the same yet view the path to peace and freedom differently.
All your videos are criminally underrated and deserve so many more views. All your edits are absolutely superb and gloriously in sync with the music and the various quotes in both anime. Gives me chills!
Amazing man...both are my favourite characters....both of them had the similar starting.... their parents died infront of them...both wanted Revenge...at one point...thorfinn realised he is wrong and found his way for peace...but eren only had more and more enemies and nowhere to run...eren is a thorfinn who never got a chance or guidance to attain peace
Both begin in the same way Both losing one of their parents, both filled with vengeance, both promising to kill their enemies, both becoming killing Machine But then? As stated in yet another comment, when they grew up both realised they have one goal in common, acheive peace for their loved ones. However the intriguing fact is the different path they choose. Eren became the embodiment of revenge and Thorfinn became the embodiment of peace. Ultimately one ended up achieving his goal. Let's wait for the manga of Vinland saga to end and see what happens with Thorfinn.
Thank you for taking your time to write this comment! I’m also really excited for the continuation of Vinland Saga - but also the ending of Attack on Titan. Haven’t read either manga, so I have lots to look forward to :)
I like that Eren saying fight has double meaning in this video, for Eren it literally means to fight for his people's freedom but for Thorfinn it means to push past his depression, it's perfect!
Somehow it ended up like that. When I think about Thorfinn's past, he was killing quite senselessly to get closer to Askeladd while Eren always had a purpose in mind. Not sure if it's relevant but those are some crazy journeys.
I find this video really interesting, Eren and Thorfinn are 2 sides of the same medal, and I don't say the younger version of Thorfinn but the "matured" Thorfinn with Eren. Let's keep aside the final of AoT for a moment. They live in 2 differents contexts but they do the same exactly thing, it's wrong to say that eren is guided by hate, he isn't, he fights in order to achieve peace and liberty of his own people that are discriminated by everyone, as like Thorfinn dislike the use of sword even in the most extreme ways Eren doesn't use riformistic methods because they would be useless.
A qoute for Thorfinn "I was never angry. I was sad because you lost your way. I did. But you found it again. And you did it by youreself!" Iroh to Zuko (from Avatar)
Bro what a great idea i have seen both anime but i don't get this idea what a goosebumps i get during the video i have a request can i make edit from your great idea edit don't worry i give you credit
I love how Eren is willing to sacrifice peace in the chase for freedom, while thorfinn is chasing peace in the cost of freedom. Such a contrast between these two wonderful characters. Different perspectives and solutions to the same fight. Both will eventually have no enemies.
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I love their parallels.
Thorfinn: I have no enemies
Eren: Everyone is my enemy
Glad to hear it :)
Eren: I will not have enemies
Eren the type of guy to say: i have no enemies
I AM THE ENEMY!!!! 😈
@@INecromancer_but... he didn't kill them all
kenshin reverse blade sword
Eren starts an optimistic and becomes a Lake of Fire
Thorfinn starts a pessimistic and becomes a River of Life
Eren read Max Stirner's "The Ego and Its Own." Thorfinn read Leo Tolstoy's "The Kingdom of God is Within You."
@ “the kingdom of God is within you” is such fantastic book!
Thorfinn managed to escape the forest while Eren embraced it
Nice Mr. Brouse reference
Eren burnt the whole ass forest down
@@SirToaster9330 Just to be reminded that the forest will eventualy grow back
Well, I’m not going to spoil anything, but thorfinn is still well in the forest
Eren embraced the forest but Thorfinn make it his Farming Field for Peace
That's a great idea, I never thought of having Eren and Thorfinn in one video, that too about enemies.
So happy you liked my idea! When I realized how many parallels VS and AoT have, I was so excited to be able to combine my two favourite animes :D
I've liked AOT, but I think I will love Vinland Saga. Starting S2 this week 😌
@@emperior honestly Vinland Saga follows a better ideal. I can't say which one among the two is better. But Vinland Saga is surely more unique...
@@CasualBlueLemoni applaud ur video one found redemption the other found hell
@@inaambilal6671Thorfinn is a soyboy
Such a lovely contrast, both are peak fictions
My favorite animes so far, for sure!
@@CasualBlueLemon Try Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, GTO, Slam Dunk.
2 great charcters 2 diffrent perspective 2 diffrent situations...
I wouldn't say different situations. they're more like 2 sides of the same coin. both strive for the same end goal and destiny except that one's driven by hate, and the other by love.
Eren did not hate the people in the outside world he just hated it cause it was not what he imagined in Armins book plus he even told the people outside the walls and inside are the same eren has no choice but to do the rumbling to protect his country and loved ones there's no running in aot even thorfinn would most likely try to do the euthanasia plan but would probably end up doing a mini rumbling cause peace treated were not possible the whole world considered eldians as a devil race
@@AdinJobythorfinn from non violence convinced canute to withdraw his forces he would try to do the same in that world he too won't choose euthanasia that is the point may be they couldn't get the all end peace in aot world but he would try convincing them not from brawn but from brain
@RishiKashyap-ur9yu do you think being a pacifist would convince the marleyands and rest of the world that the eldians who killed millions of a people in a span of 2000 yrs ago would maintain peace?
@@RishiKashyap-ur9yu and you think talking would've worked in Aot? Lmao I love Vinland saga but Thorfinn's ideological views would not get him too far in the world of Aot, especially against Marley
Brilliant. This video catches ideological similarities and differences of these amazing stories and characters, usually people just put them as the opposites.
Thank you! :) There are many similarities and opposites between the two. I can’t help but imagine what could’ve happened if Eren had had Thorfinns dad instead of his own. Someone to teach him what the world taught Thorfinn.
@@CasualBlueLemon The problem is that Eren wrote his father's story as much as his own. Grisha didn't make Eren into Eren, Eren made Grisha into Grisha. It was an inescapable fate for a tragic anti-villain.
I want to show this to all my friends but they Either don't like one or the other or haven't seen both. It's a shame, such beautifully contrasting series. This must be one of my favourite edits on youtube. thank you so much for this.
The contrast between the two character gives us so many lessons. Especially when they both had a similar starting life. But atleast Eren had friends, poor Thorfinn only had suffering.
But atleast Thorfinn have a home (and Vinland)
crazy how they both started in the same path, but thorfinn stopped going through it unlike eren
Thorfinn had options eren didn't
The difference between the two is basically how much power and freedom one possesses in their own universe. Thorfinn was the son of Thors and slowly came to be one of the strongest people in the franchise at a young age. Eren didn't, he grew up only know that he was weak and not in control of his own life which led him to fight for that freedom, on the other hand Thorfinn had already gotten to that part of his story early on and then proceeded to realize the real reason one has power is to defend. Basically Eren cringe Thorfinn based
Eren had options, he just never committed. He always looked to someone else to tell him what to do, never planned anything for himself besides killing everyone. At the end of the day, Thorfinn didn't want to hurt people. We know this from is experience at the farm. Eren did want to hurt people. We know this from his confession to the refugee child.@@lazyotaku6944
Eren had no choice
for eren it's kill or be killed. There is nowhere to run. Thorfinn has his home.
I always loved the parallel of Eren and Thorfinn's stories
On the other side of ocean there is a land of freedom where no enemy can find you from vinland's perspective and in aot, on the other side of ocean there are enemies who had been continuously torturing eldians. Amazing parallels and learn to appreciate both this characters since their story is completely different as each one has their own perspective
This deserves millions of views
Thank you! :D
Cinematic masterpiece
Thank you so much :D
2 of the best modern era anime
They definitely deserve to be, too :)
Your lie in April should be up with them
i alwayd loved comparing them as two opposite sides of the same story, a child forced to adapt to survive and choosing what to do as they grow up
Interesting comparison!
@@CasualBlueLemon the scene where eren cries over the children in poverty that he met is alot like the scene where thorfinn looks at the mother who took care of him and saved him and at that point neither of them were strong enough to let go and change but in the end thorfinn was strong enough to change and become a true warrior when eren was still a crying child asking for his friends to take him out of this world of suffering and hoping theyd be strong enough to do what he couldnt
The Duality of man.
The small details of changing the texts from red to white or white to red was just a cherry on top. Wonderful video!
Thank you! So glad you noticed ^ - ^
this video is genuinely beautiful
Never had stronger goosebumps in my life. Huge kudos
Your comment makes me so happy! Thanks for watching :D
this was a masterpiece
Thank you ^ - ^
This is gold! Never thought of this parallel, they both use different methods basically to achieve the same goal, to create a paradise for a few people and when they both saw themselves in "Valhalla", Eren decided to stay there. Amazing edit!
Thank you so much! :D
Do not ever put emo boy Eren in the same tier as Thorfinn
@@gamma9141then don't put coward like Thorfinn in the same as Ereb
The thought put in behind this video is insane 😤🔥
Thank you! :)
One of the greatest videos I‘ve seen in my 14 years hanging out on UA-cam
I’m honoured! :D
That's the key difference. Thorfinn has somewhere to run away to. "Across the sea, there is a land called Vinland". A free land without war or enemies. But Eren had nowhere else to go. "On the other side of the ocean, there are only enemies". His only option was to fight.
Amazing AMV
They have Paradise Island and untold natural resources. When Kim Jong Un's approach makes your strategy look like shit, you're doing something wrong.
I think by surrrendering to the futare he seen. He became perfect reflexion of violent world he was in. Eren wanted his friends to be safe but he becouse he was born into this world he couldn't see solution without violence. Thorfin tries with every fiber of his being to solve his problems without violence. Like Thorfin said "Did you try to talk this throu?" There was a way to avoid violence but he didn't try hard enouph to find it.
@@cub-square well said. It's like he said, he's just a "garden-variety idiot who fell into power". He isn't actually special, just the son of a special man who began the story. Things would have been vastly different (and better) if it were Armin who had that power. His intelligence and purity would have led to a different outcome
@@schitz1674 Exactly. Armin and Thorfinn are essentially philosophically aligned. However, neither Armin or Thorfinn, or most people actually could have freed Ymir. That's the complexity of AoT. The world had to die to free Ymir. The curse was such that only this scenario where Eren pushes his friend into killing him to stop the rumbling could realize Ymir's liberation, which Eren kept moving forward to. This alone blurs even more Eren's morality. Had he been not as freedom-enclined, the world would have survived, but the curse would have remained, and Ymir's soul would have been trapped for eternity... The moral dilemma then is, does the world deserve peace when a child is being abused under this comfort?
@@fs400ion yea that's a great way of looking at it. Eren's nature led all of the story's events into place. I think the curse of the Titans could have been eliminated by Zeke's plan if Eldians eventually went extinct. But idk if that would have freed Ymir. Perhaps Zeke could have freed her but that would only be if she gave him the founders full power.
I love it. When I was watching Vinland Saga I also spent a long time thinking about the similarities in both of the stories and how Eren and Thorfinn went in opposite directions, I'm glad you immortalized it in a video.
While Eren falls lower and lower, Thorfinn slowly climbes. While Eren uses violence, Thorfinn will use love. While Eren's thoughts are clouded with hate, Thorfinn's are clouded with hope.
Wonderful video.
Thank you! You’re spot on with your parallels :)
How people Watch season 4 and think Eren is full of hatred ?! Bro wtf ?!
@@floch-jaeger9485exactly bro eren is not doing the rumbling bc he hates the other side and wants to get revenge he said it himself the only reason he’s doing is to end the hate filled history of ppl hating eldians to end it all
This people apparently watch aot with their eyes closed and ears blocked 😂😂😂
@@grizz1795 literally bro eren is not doing the rumbling bc he hates the other side and wants to get revenge he said it himself the only reason he’s doing is to end the hate filled history of ppl hating eldians to end it all
ik this is an eren and thorfinn edit but i think you shouldve added Askeladd and Kenny saying "Everyone is a slave to something."
Oh, that’s an amazing idea! If I make another parallel video between AoT and VS in the future, I’ll make sure to add that. I’ll ofc credit you for giving me the idea :)
Kind of sad, Eren is slave to freedom, Thorfinn is slave to peace
@@chlorophyll6154 Thorfinn isn't a slave, like him trying to be peaceful is by choice and to escape his past harm.
The two most inspiring anime characters of my life ❤
U really captured these 2 character development. Love the work! 💕
Thank you! Glad you think so :)
Holy shit, one of the best parallels u made me realise. Crazy edit bro
Thank you! That’s so sweet ( ´∀｀)
bruh holy shit you have the created one of the best video of how a person turn from good to bad or vice versa no one wants to be bad you have showed what anime is capable of I have thought of the mentality of both character and this video is that thought i have seen both of the story and your editing bruh i cant image how much time that you might have invested in this video and the very little detail of the subtiles changing from white to red that cut at 3:7 sec is so prefect as eren is sreaming and was going to the wrong path and thorfinn going up wards to the right path is prefectly done and a special thanks for putting this video in 4k thanks
Thank you! That’s all I could have wished to achieve :D I’m so happy that you noticed all the details I put in. And no problem - I strive to make all of my videos in 4K!
The difference is that Eren didn't have a figure in his life that opposed violence. Thorfinn remembered his father's message and held onto it. Eren lost his parents and was never taught differently.
But he did. He had Armin. He had Hanji. He had people saying "no, this is too far, no, we cannot solve violence with more violence." And he did it anyway. He didn't just join the cycle, he became its worst manifestation, come to destroy mankind. That's the tragedy of it. Eren was consumed by the cycle of violence and became it; Thorfinn, after so long inside it, learned to escape.
tbh Eren situation was very difficult to get out of (after they learned the truth), him and his people were trapped into being the world's enemy, and Eren being who he is, it only makes sense he became what he became. And for me the person who really saved Thorfinn was Einar
@@samuelwithers2221 Armin and Hange still believed it was necessary to kill others in order to secure their survival. And none of them told him he was going too far until it was way too late (Raid on Liberio).
@@samuelwithers2221 The same Armin that told to Eren to abandon his humanity and don't see any problem when Eren say hello i have kill 80% of the world population? And Hanji has never be able to show a other way to Eren even when he was desperately asking for it (the prison scene)
@@saltator8565yeah but Eren knew about the future for years and he decided not to tell the people he trusted most who he considered the smartest either. He didn’t let Hange or Armin know the full extent of the situation and when they didn’t come up with a solution to a dire problem they didn’t know existed he resorted to world genocide
truly a great video... I'm impressed and amazed by this greatness
It makes me happy to hear you enjoyed it! :)
Even through both are animated from the same studios the parallels are just amazing
This is amazing that’s a perfect idea
Thank you so much!
@@CasualBlueLemon 🥰❤️💕
This video is a masterpiece, hope it blows up!
Thank you! :D
A very interesting video that doubles as a comparative case study of how two characters diverge on how to deal with the cards they were dealt. Subscribed.
I like how this feels like both characters are debating on their ideals of freedom, with Eren claiming the only way he can be free is if he kills his enemies and Thorfinn claiming he has no enemies and then Eren talks over Thorfinn, it's so in character and it works perfectly! I can imagine this would happen if they ever interacted.
Do you think Thorfinn could convince Eren not to do the rumbling?
@@CasualBlueLemon Lots of people mentioned Thorfinn’s pacifism wouldn’t work in Attack On Titan considering Eren’s position. But I guess he could convince Eren to do a small scale rumbling
Just imagine that opening 😭 Tiny rumbling rumbling. Break free. Coming for (some of) you.
Best editing I have ever seen on this two anime. And adding symbolic text make it perfect!
I’m flattered! Also it makes me happy that you liked the text :)
Underrated asf
Genuinely an incredibly well put together video, glad I happened to come across it!
Thank you! I’m glad you found your way here :)
Lets all try to be like Thorfinn, no, we must be like him.
This was beautiful man. Great work.
Thank you! Glad you liked it :)
This is genuinely one of the best edits I've ever seen. Thank you for making this. 💗💗
Your comment went straight into my heart. I’m honored ♡ｕ♡
Amazing parrallel.
Great video, deserve more views
Thank you! I’m glad to hear that :)
Great job with this, these are my two fave animes and they really do have a lot in common whilst being almost completely opposite.
Mappa did a fantastic job with season 4 AoT and Vinland.
You earned my Subscription today buddy. Thanks.
I’m glad you liked it! These animes are amazing - they are easily my favorite ones, too.
Thank you so much for the subscription! I’ll do my best to continue making videos you like :)
This video fantastically shows similarities in Thorfin's and Eren's starting points and differences in paths they've decided to walk. Great job! 👍
Glad you liked it! Thanks for leaving this comment :D
this video will blow up someday, its too good xD
Thank you! I’m happy you liked my edit :D
My bro Eren missed his daily dose of Vinland 😂
I’m a little late to the party but oh my lord you’ve outdone yourself!!! Amazing amv, literally perfect ❤️🔥
Thank you so much! You are never too late to the party :D
this gave me goosebumps man good stuff
Thank you so much! Your comment really fits with your profile pic :D
the ending hit hard.
Oh my!!! This video deserves a million views...maybe more. Amazing work you've done here 🔥🔥
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support :D
What an amazing video pointing out the parallels between two seemingly unrelated characters, looking forward to your work in the future
Thank you! I hope to see you in the comment section of my future videos :D
best editor no cap
Wow! I just love your editing and your ability to capture the essence of shows. Great choice of music too! Your videos keep getting better, even though the previous ones are already so well made. Pleasure to watch your content!
Great showcase of the parallels and where the two stories / characters part ways.
Thank you so much! I was uncertain about the music, so I’m happy to hear it was a good choice. I always appreciate you watching my videos and commenting. It makes me so happy to see that you continue liking what I do. So thank you for sticking around for so long :D
Underrated video
easily one of the best AMV EVER. beautiful contrast
Best video ever 😳😳
Thank you so much (〃ω〃)
Peak edit
Thank you! :)
Both of them are slave of their own ideals. Just because both of them hold a power and ability to attract people, every action of them will impacting others.
Too bad Eren didn’t read Vinland Saga :( So many lives could have been saved.
Great editing and transitions as always. Keep making these please 🙏
Haha, that would’ve been a fun plot twist ( ´∀｀)
Imagine if Eren had had someone to teach him about non-violence, like Thorfinn had. Instead Eren got stuck in this violent mindset…
Thank you! Will do 🫡
@@CasualBlueLemon i really dont think eren of all people would spare himself from having enemies, hes stronger then that.
@@CasualBlueLemon you can't really pact with your enemies in world of Aot.
I don’t know the different futures Eren saw, but seeing the power he now possesses, I believe there must have been one more peaceful route. One that doesn’t sacrifice all Eldians and not all of the world - perhaps a midway point.
I think that Eren is aiming to fulfill more than securing the lives of the people on Paradis. I haven’t read the manga, but I assume he is striving to break the curse of Ymir to save the future world and that this is the only way for him to do that.
But I have no clue; like I said, I never saw the possible futures Eren chose from nor have I read the manga. So I’m excited to find out! :)
@@CasualBlueLemonEren saw one immuable future, he can’t change it the thematic of his character it’s not about ennemies or freedom but about slavery to his desire of freedom because he will never achieve it. So, compare him to Thorffin it’s great when it’s about the dynamics of their (ennemies) Marley and the world and for Thorffin it is all the Vikings World who is not according with his « I have no ennemies »
I feel like the difference between the two can be compacted into Thorfinn's line: "As long as I have somewhere to run, I will not fight."
He always has somewhere to run. Across the sea to Iceland or across the whole ocean to Vinland. And until those places are no longer safe, he will not fight. Thorfinn threw himself into combat and the cycle of violence and hatred for personal goals. Then, he realized that it isn't the way to live. Thus, he left it by choice; just as he joined it by choice.
Eren, on the other hand, had no choice. He was born on an island where he was essentially made a slave from birth. And the people enslaving him and wanting to kill his people were those across the ocean. There was nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. At least, if he wished to protect his friends and his home. From the virtue of being born, Eren didn't have freedom. He lacked freedom to choose, freedom to run, and the freedom to live. Which can be compacted in the line "To gain my own freedom, I will take the world's freedom."
I think the AOT ending song 'Akuma no Ko' can represent this well. "If we had wings like birds, we could go anywhere we wanted to. But if we don't have a home to return to, I'm sure we can't go anywhere at all." Basically summarizing Eren's struggle with having nowhere to run and being caged in. Also showing why he does the Rumbling; he's like a bird stuck in a cage because if he tries to run, his home will be destroyed by the people across the ocean meaning everyone he knows and cares for on the island will be killed.
Overall, I feel like that ending does a great job at capturing not only Eren's mentality, but also Eren's situation. Definitely check out the translated lyrics if you have the time.
In short, for Thorfinn, renouncing violence gains him freedom from his self imposed chains. For Eren, renouncing violence would remove his freedom and chain him completely. Two similar characters with the same internal struggle (to break the cycle of hate or continue to perpetrate it,) but two wildly different situations influencing the outcome of their choices.
This is a great in-depth analysis! Thank you for sharing it :)
I will make sure to read the lyrics of Akuma No Ko next time I listen to it - I like the song, but I haven’t analysed it further than the title. It’s a great song ^_^
Thank you 🙌 many people missed that important detail, that line is what set them apart and make them oppositions. One had a place to escape to, while the other did not.
Two sides of the same coin. Both want peace and freedom but both are tasked in different situations to attain that peace. Thorfinn is not held down by fate and have the responsibility of of the world and his own people. He can run as far has he can from the grasps of war in Europe to create his own land of peace and freedom for this who want to follow. Eren is tragically forced by fate as he sees and outcome that forever can’t be changed not because it’s already set in stone, but because of the human nature of wanting to live and protect those you care about and love. After trying everything in his power change the future by trying to talk to the enemy, and the enemy refusing to compromise and understand the eldian people of paradisse he is forced to destroy the world around him in order to protect his home, his people, and his freedom. One side of the coin(thorfinn) has the freedom to seek his own peace and create a land free of war, while the other side of the coin(Eren) is forced by fate and his own enemies to fight to the bitter and brutal end. They are both the same yet view the path to peace and freedom differently.
ah yes the two legendary animes in one edit
I’m not sure if I’m blessed or cursed that these two animes were among the first I watched. Such a good introduction, but now the bar is high haha
fun fact i watched them both at same time vinland at morning and aot at night like months ago@@CasualBlueLemon
@vahele9248 that’s the best combo I’ve ever heard of
@@CasualBlueLemonvery bad choice . Things are only in downside from here except few
All your videos are criminally underrated and deserve so many more views. All your edits are absolutely superb and gloriously in sync with the music and the various quotes in both anime. Gives me chills!
Amazing man...both are my favourite characters....both of them had the similar starting.... their parents died infront of them...both wanted Revenge...at one point...thorfinn realised he is wrong and found his way for peace...but eren only had more and more enemies and nowhere to run...eren is a thorfinn who never got a chance or guidance to attain peace
AMV creator understood the assignment. Crazy how this only has alittle over 100 views right now. This deserves to blow up.
Haha, thank you! Only time will tell, but reading your comment made the wait bearable :)
WOW
amazing work fr!
Thank you! :D
Thorfinn: “I have no enemies.”
Eren: “I have no enemies… left.”
Interesting as hellllllllllll i love it
Thank you! :D
What a piece of art, I keep coming back to rewatch, what an absolute treat :)
Thank you, Hans! Always nice reading your comments
Amazing edit!
I don't want to be that guy, but I believe there's a typo at 4:04. Amazing video still!
Nooooooo (T_T) I’m going to quadruple check the text on my next edit now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Also, I’m glad you liked my edit! :)
@@CasualBlueLemon don't worry about it, it's a small mistake too, don't beat yourself over it
Thank you for telling me though. It will help me look for those kinds of typos in the future ^ ^
3:32 this shows how diff they both have become like they started the same but one found peace in himself while the other in his stupid ideology.
My two best anime in one video 🫡🔥🫠
Same here!
Another treasure has been created..
Thank you (〃ω〃)
Bro this video is gonna be celebrated in the future too
Glad you think so :D
MANNNNNNN!!!!!!. You kept giving me moree goosebumps 🫡
Both begin in the same way
Both losing one of their parents, both filled with vengeance, both promising to kill their enemies, both becoming killing Machine
But then?
As stated in yet another comment, when they grew up both realised they have one goal in common, acheive peace for their loved ones. However the intriguing fact is the different path they choose.
Eren became the embodiment of revenge and Thorfinn became the embodiment of peace.
Ultimately one ended up achieving his goal. Let's wait for the manga of Vinland saga to end and see what happens with Thorfinn.
Thank you for taking your time to write this comment! I’m also really excited for the continuation of Vinland Saga - but also the ending of Attack on Titan. Haven’t read either manga, so I have lots to look forward to :)
@@CasualBlueLemon lol same
Eren did not acheive his goal as the island of paradis was destroyed in the future.
@@vikramo6994 When?
Is there an AOT sequel?
I like that Eren saying fight has double meaning in this video, for Eren it literally means to fight for his people's freedom but for Thorfinn it means to push past his depression, it's perfect!
Thank you! I’m glad you caught those parallels ^_^
Such a masterpiece!
insane edit ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Thank you so much! :D
This shows how much a boy need a good father figure
Or a good mother, or a good parent of any gender, really
Or a good toad that has many wisdoms@@magicfibre
This video is awesome I love it
I’m happy I could create something you loved! :)
I thought of this too when I rewatched both recently. Nice video you put together showing the parallels.
Somehow it ended up like that. When I think about Thorfinn's past, he was killing quite senselessly to get closer to Askeladd while Eren always had a purpose in mind.
Not sure if it's relevant but those are some crazy journeys.
This is done exceptionally well. If you don't mind, may I share this with a private group with a couple 100 people on FB?
Thank you! Sure, go ahead :)
I find this video really interesting, Eren and Thorfinn are 2 sides of the same medal, and I don't say the younger version of Thorfinn but the "matured" Thorfinn with Eren. Let's keep aside the final of AoT for a moment. They live in 2 differents contexts but they do the same exactly thing, it's wrong to say that eren is guided by hate, he isn't, he fights in order to achieve peace and liberty of his own people that are discriminated by everyone, as like Thorfinn dislike the use of sword even in the most extreme ways Eren doesn't use riformistic methods because they would be useless.
Happy to hear you found my video interesting! :)
A qoute for Thorfinn
"I was never angry.
I was sad because you lost your way.
I did.
But you found it again. And you did it by youreself!"
Iroh to Zuko (from Avatar)
Eren is Canute basically (building a Paradise over bodies with diferent metods than Thorfinn)
i like to think eren is the logical conclusion to Canute's philosophy
Amazing❤
Thank you!
Bro what a great idea i have seen both anime but i don't get this idea what a goosebumps i get during the video i have a request can i make edit from your great idea edit don't worry i give you credit
Thank you! Yeah, sure thing. When you are done, please tell me - I’d love to watch it! :)
Thorfin: hard gameplay
Eran: hell plus world war 2 gameplay
AMAZING, BEAUTIFUL, GALACTIC!
Eren : I will continue forward
Thorfinn : I will run away
Your point?
Thorfinn: i have no enemies
eren: left.
W edit huge W
Magnificent. Chills and goosebumps ❤
I love how Eren is willing to sacrifice peace in the chase for freedom, while thorfinn is chasing peace in the cost of freedom. Such a contrast between these two wonderful characters. Different perspectives and solutions to the same fight. Both will eventually have no enemies.
Amazing !!
Thank you!