How to Build an Optimal Glass Cannon Barbarian! - D&D 5e Build
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10:28 text on screen says two-weapon fighting. But I say you should pick great weapon fighting. Pick great weapon fighting.
11:00 & 11:32 text on screen says resilient (con). What I say is pick Resilient (wis). Pick Resilient (Wis), you already have Con prof.
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If you take archery fighting style and sharpshooter along with the fact your weapon as a giant barbarian has the thrown property you can turn this entire build into a throw build. Since thrown weapons when thrown count as a ranged weapon making a ranged attack roll
So basically you can be throwing a auto crit greatsword that returns to you
@@ivandotson9448So it's kinda dumb, but the third bullet of Sharpshooter that gives you the -5/+10 says "Before you make an attack with a ranged weapon," and Elemental Cleaver just gives the weapon the thrown property instead of turning it into a ranged weapon per se, which means you wouldn't get the extra damage from Sharpshooter unless you threw darts, which are ranged weapons that can be thrown.
If you make or are making a ranged attack, it's a ranged weapon, It isn't specified what is considered a ranged weapon, so technically a thrown weapon counts as melee and ranged.
Edit - technically a thrown weapon IS still only a melee weapon, but it's more just up to the DM to decide if it counts as a ranged weapon for thrown weapon attacks.
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Small note: where you talk about the first two levels of fighter, you mention taking Great Weapon Fighting, but have up Two Weapon Fighting up on the video. Also first fighter ASI you say Resilient Wisdom, but have Con on the vid.
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I really like this approach of showing the different pieces.
It conveys more of a "go out and experiment". Of course you can always choose what you want for your own character, but this broad showcase is imo really really helpful to get started with optimizing, because the way the the features fit together is explained.
The Glass Cannon.
Giant. Battle. Peace. Gloom. & then Ass.
Yup. Sounds good to me.
My favorite Glass Cannon Build is “The Elven Sentinel”. Samurai Fighter 11 + Gloomstalker Ranger 3. Dex +2, Sharpshooter and Elven Accuracy. Turn 1 with 8 attacks with triple advantage is realy nice!
The better part is that the nova damage is once per combat / short rest!
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I am recently playing back a Barbarian with a pseudo-giant barbarian (made the character with homebrew that works very similarly before the subclass was released), and he is level 6 rn. I could likely make this the next progression for the character, so thank you so much!
I feel the barbarian inside me
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Harlequin romance vibes
Pause.
That's just the giant bm, you might need to take some medicine for that if it persists
uwu
Optimizing your martial character by using the Gloom Stalker + Assassin combo is like optimizing your golf swing by replacing your club with a drone that can drop the ball in the hole.
Note: this is a critique of 5e, not the video
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Next time I'm gonna be playing a 14th level campaign, I'm 100% building this.
The Multiclass goes hard hard hard hard hard this time around lol
Martial moment.
I played a Brancanolia one shot at the end of 2023, it was the most pure fun I got from a TT game for a long time =)
Getting war flashbacks to my DM who never gave us surprise. Even if we literally ambushed the enemy. Everyone was just "ready for a fight" so we never surprised anyone
Stalk them waiting for them to sleep, and if they don’t sleep they get levels of exhaustion
Yeeesh, that sucks
I once did a similar glass Cannon build, but I had more levels in fighter using echo knight to maximize attacks, 3 gloomstalker, 3 assassin, 3 Barbarian (probably totem subclass is best at 3) also you can multiclass in all of these after 5 lvls of fighter starting with gloom or barb, this does only give you 3 score improvements from fighter lvls but I was using a giant's belt so I did not care, 3 was all I needed for heavy weapon master and lucky/resiliant
Really enjoy these build videos you do! Super fun and interesting!
I enjoy these videos, lots of character ideas and a bit of micro.
Love your content - and I knew hard throws made higher numbers!
Emboldening bond goes crazy on barbarian, great video
I like that you didn't take lvls in Paladin 🐊.
Wend i think of nova damage i think of paladin+assassin critical smiting, but that is a 1 or 2 time per day thing, not a consistent reliable damage.
And this barb can auto heal, i like it a lot. A half/hill giant that eats berries to heal sounds awesome 👌.
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Fun fact: Favored foe doesn’t conflict with rage because it isn’t a spell, only uses the same concentration rules as spells. And rage specifies that you specifically can’t concentrate on spells, not anything that uses those concentration rules.
Edit: the rules in question.
When you hit a creature with an attack roll, you can call on your mystical bond with nature to mark the target as your favored enemy for 1 minute or until you *lose your concentration* (as if you were concentrating on a spell).
Rage states:
If you are able to cast spells, you can't cast them or concentrate on them while raging.
(Notably nothing about losing concentration, so favored foe is unaffected as it isn’t as if it’s a spell for this purpose)
However this wording is used in concentration rules, so I’m not exclusively nitpicking.
Incapacitation or Death:
Being incapacitated or killed. *You lose concentration* on a spell if you are incapacitated or if you die.
Casting another spell:
Casting another spell that requires concentration. *You lose concentration* on a spell if you cast another spell that requires concentration. You can’t concentrate on two spells at once.
Therefore, RAW, you don’t have to worry about rage or damage taking away favored foe. Funny tech, but very much RAW and probably not unbalanced tbh.
I believe that there was a Jeremy Crawford tweet saying that this doesn't work RAI when discussing the Trickster Cleric's channel divinity, but I think RAW you're in the right here, can't find the tweet as of right now
I don't think that's correct. Rage says you can't concentrate on spells (if you are able to cast spells, which is why you can concentrate on spells while wildshaped and raging, but that's a story for another day). Favored Foe (FF) says "as if you were concentrating on a spell". It doesn't specify which parts of concentration rules apply to it, so we have to assume that for all intents and purposes concentrating on FF is the same as concentrating on a spell. Thus, you can't concentrate on FF when raging, because FF is a "spell" as far as Rage is concerned.
favored foe says you concentrate as if it were on a spell, both raw and rai this doesnt work
Personally, if a Barbarian-Paladin is allowed to use Smites while Raging for boatloads of damage, I don't see why I'd disallow a Barbarian-Ranger from using Favored Foe for a single 1d4 (or d6 or d8) per turn.
And even if you stick strictly to RAW, you can still _use_ Favored Foe while Raging, you just need to spend another use of it on each turn instead of keeping it up with Concentration.
@@justfrankjustdank2538 the wording as if specifically contradicts it actually being a spell. Rage only disables, concentrating on spells.
Edit: and it does specify. It only counts as concentrating if you would lose(not stop) concentration. This is wording only used for casting another spell(and incapacitation and death but who cares) which requires it funnily enough, so that’s only something a ranger would have to worry about since a barb can’t do that anyway.
I’ve been playing a barbarian with two levels in war magic wizard. The feature the subclass has works very well, even when raging because it increases ac and saving throws considerably with a reaction. The spells are mostly out of combat stuff with magic missile as my only damage spell. It’s very fun to play, and the flavour is awesome.
Okay lets provide a backstory for this character.
Backstory: Kolgarn The Wise.
Kolgarn at a young age was afflicted with a disease. A disease that wiped out most of her tribe, but due to the magic of giants she managed to survive. She spent the rest of her childhood being raised by giants learning their secrets and learning how to fight like them. During thattime she also learnt some runic magic. She used a mixture of runes which she tatooed all over her body and her fighting instincts.
Aged 18 her whole body was covered in a tapestry of different tatoos depicting various stories about giants and their history with pictures surrounding each rune. This is where her "rage" comes from. It is a magical ability. This also explains the spells she has from Cleric and Ranger. Also her assassin abilities were also the effects of runes.
As she explored the world and went on her travels with a party, she would acquire more magical ink to tatoo more magical runes.
Kolgarn may be a magical powerhouse of a warrior, but she still had that afflication. Shortness of breath, vulnerability to various diseases, a fragile body and very low resilence. She is the type of warrior who ends fights quickly because she has to. However every so often there would be foes who would tire her out. She may be the strong bruiser, but her body was made of glass.
Ass 4 is a very important part of the build, don't forget it
ah yes, the Bonk Build
also it really is staggering how few features martials get at high levels, considering how much casters are gaining with higher level slots. like did they think a slight increase in chances to hit and damage on hit would make up for it?
Going to send this to my friend. He loves Martials (and Maths!) and might find this intriguing.
I'm sorry, I didn't bother to do the math for this but I think it kind of explains itself.
@@PackTactics Honestly, the fact you didn't probably would make him more interested in doing so himself. x)
Quick note, you said resilient wisdom but the screen text is resilient constitution
I'd guess it's wis, since Barb already has con save proficiency, right?
@@njfernandes87 It's Wis. I say the right thing but showed the wrong thing.
Zealot Barbarian + Peace Cleric = Very interesting roleplay opportunities.
"I will fanatically slaughter anyone that harms another!" Lol I love it
You could also use darts! That'd open up the option to take sharpshooter, the thrown weapon fighting and archery fighting styles, quick toss, and you could add a little extra damage with sneak attack. It takes fewer feats to come online too, so you could start with another lineage like bugbear to double down on the first-turn nova round. The big problem would be that you'd have to rely on rage to get that dart back, or have an artificer party member that's kind enough to make you a returning dart. Plus, you wouldn't be able to use your bonus action to attack very consistently because you'd have to rely on quick toss while also using your superiority dice for precision attack :/
Darts are cheap. Since thrown-weapon fighting lets you draw the weapon as part of the attack, I'd just have a bunch of them.
I'm presently a Zealot 6 Echo 4 and it's super fun. Peace is next.
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I'm currently having fun with a Barbarian Rogue Multiclass, but I doubt that there is much room for Fighter and Cleric in that build.
But thanks for the great build!
I've done a very similar Gloomstalker 5/Battlemaster 4/Peace 8/Ass 3 build before. I never really considered Barbarian since it was a Dex half caster-ish build, but honestly Swapping to strength and going harder into the martial instead of Peace cleric casting would be interesting.
Love me some nova famage!
"Glass Cannon" --> ranged
"Paper Tiger" --> melee.
UA Wildsoul 6 is insane. It's like printing spell slots. There's no short or long rest component here, just the ability to take punishment without dying. So I'm considering something like UA Wild Soul 6/(Wis) Mutant Blood Hunter with the level 6 ability reskinned as giving an ally a mana potion or a mana injection.
It seems like nobody talks about Path of the Ancestral Guardian barb, but it feels like the best (only?) healer in the game and can still go pretty hard in melee range. Sure, they're spell vulnerable, but that's what your friends with Counterspell are for.
Would it make sense to trade Ranger 4/5 and Assassin 4 for Barbarian 9? Feral Instinct giving advantage on initiative combos can ensure that Assassinate functions properly, and Brutal Critical can actually add reliable damage with Assassinate, combined with Dread Ambusher and Action Surge to add yet another 2d6 to all six greatsword attacks in the first round. Feral Instinct would also let you move up to 75 feet on your Rage turn instead of 50 feet. As long as you have an ally providing Pass without Trace, I think this would be a solid nova improvement overall.
I had an idea for a barbarian/rogue build that’s kinda wonky. Be a thri-kreen now you can duel wield a great sword and a short sword. Use reckless to get advantage in order to proc sneak damage from your bonus action attack. It’s wired and probably not optimal but there you go
I would actually suggest Monsters of the Multiverse’s Bugbear for it’s extra 2d6 per attack against creatures that haven’t taken a turn yet and it’s extra reach, though it would delay your feat progression.
Algorithm bump
I personally like to get to level 8 since advantage on initiative at 7 is ok and another ASI is always useful
Though I go to 6 first then jump then grab those extra 2 levels.
A great thing to remember as a strength-based rogue, or strogue, is that you can absolutely make a Great Weapon Master sneak attack. All you have to do is get a heavy crossbow. It's a two-handed, heavy weapon, and Improvised Weapons lets us use it as a Greatclub, which we're proficient with. Now we're making a melee weapon attack with a heavy, two-handed weapon for GWM, but also attacking USING a ranged weapon, for Sneak Attack. Tada! -5 to hit, reckless attack at advantage, for 1d8+sneak attack+rage damage+strength mod+10. Worst case, DM says if you treat it as a Greatclub, it loses the ranged property for the purpose of the attack, and you have the base damage die be a 1d4 instead.
Plus, what's more hilarious than a barbarian realizing that if they pull out a heavy crossbow, the enemy will get in close expecting a ranged attack, only to sucker punch them with this big heavy hunk of wood and metal that takes far too long to shoot for them to worry about when they're mad?
The only problem with this build is the loading property
@@alyssa_vatalth Ah dang, you're right. If we try to light it on fire and ask for 1d4 extra damage on a hit, the DM might say the Loading property prevents us from FIRE-ing it more than once on our turn. :P
On the opposing side if you want something that does decent damage but cant’t die. For race either satyr or yuan ti. barb 1, druid 2 (moon), wizard 2 (bladesinger), cleric 1 (peace). From there you can go whatever you want. I like going druid and barb for extra resistances and higher ac/better wildshapes (barb bear totem or beast. Bear makes you resistant af, beast gives you extra damage or even higher ac which works with wildshapes)
For background go either wildspacer, strike of the giants, or rune carver. You’ll rarely miss attacks, rarely fail saves against spells if ever, be a massive hp pool, and even in animal form have ridiculous ac. Prioritize dex, int, and con or wis. I prefer con for out of wildshape reasons. dump str and cha. Lets say we’re using point buy.
Str-8
Dex-14
Con-14
Int-15
Wis-12
Cha-8
Using tasha’s put all 3 extra points into int to get 18.
Most dms will allow ac calculation to stack when it comes to mage armor and unarmored defense. If they do it makes the build stronger. If not it’s perfectly fine.
When not in wildshape activate bladesong and cast shield of faith on yourself. your ac becomes 20, with shield as a reaction 25. You can also rage so that you take half damage.
When in wildshape the same rules apply. Prior to wildshaping have bs and sof active (you can concentrate on spells while wildshaped), and transform. Your ac is dependent on your wild shape so a few picks are:
Brown bear: ac19, hp34 (68 with rage) thick and hits like a truck.
Clawfoot: ac21, hp19(38 with rage), pack tactics, really good skill bonuses for a wildshape, pounce and multiattack.
Giant hyena: ac20, hp45 (90 with rage), rampage, good damage, no multiattack but good at grappling and other skills.
Giant spider: ac20, hp26 (52 with rage), climbing speed, stealthy, web (fucking amazing control ability that pairs well with a barb as its not a spell), and possible poison damage (situational). They’ve also got blindsight (10ft) and darkvision so they pair great with darkness/fogcloud which is what i recommend using the most when not concentrating on sof (or have a buddy cast it).
Tiger: ac20, hp37 (74 with rage), pounce for extra attacks on prone targets. I recommend pouncing as much as you can to get them prone, then grapple them or have an ally prone-grapple them. You now always get that extra attack and this means you hit harder. Good skills.
Dire wolf: ac20, hp37 (74 with rage), pack tactics, every bite has a chance to prone a target.
This is all at level 6. You essentially triple to quadruple your hp, hardly miss or fail saves, can heal yourself in wildshape, and are hard to hit even in wildshape.
Depending on the background you chose you either have a much larger healthpool (tough from wildspacer), extra spells that scale and can be casted at their lowest for free (rune shaper from rune carver. this means free armor of agathys, free fog cloud, free comman, and free inflict wounds), or do more damage with extra effects on them (strike of the giants. In wildshape your save dc for these varies based on the form you chose as the save dc = 8+PB+str or con.)
Out of wildshape you have so much utility and support and are never ever getting hit especially if you have fog cloud or similar up. In wildshape you’ll never die and hit hard.
When you get to the point of having cr2 wildshapes always go giant elk or relic sloth for insane hp and damage.
I should also mention you have to choose either rage or shield of faith unless you have an ally to cast it on you or have something like ring of spell storing for your familiar or buddy equivalent.
For feats you can take whatever you want, except you should always take lucky. No other feat compares.
I recommend things like sentinel, metamagic adept, taking any of the feats from the backgrounds i mentioned that you didn’t get, or saying fuck feats and go for fighter battle master (natural weapons count as weapon attacks per RAW)
Also forgot to mention the strongest strike of the giants choice is cloud strike. Less damage but if they fail the save you become invisible to them until the start of your next turn or if you attack/cast a spell before then. You can then later get guile of the cloud giant, “Increase your Strength, Constitution, or Charisma score by 1, to a maximum of 20.
Cloudy Escape. When a creature you can see hits you with an attack roll, you can use your reaction to give yourself resistance to that attack’s damage. You then teleport to an unoccupied space that you can see within 30 feet of yourself. You can use this reaction a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.”
That algo tho
Algorithm bump (love the videos kobold, very entertaining!)
Personally, I'd recommend that if your party can't reliably surprise enemies for whatever reason, the Rogue levels, if kept at all, might be better used with Scout, Swashbuckler, or Thief for the additional mobility, in case you need to skirmish to get around low priority targets and maintain focus fire on bigger threats.
Alternatively, if you don't keep the Rogue levels and can spare enough points in Charisma, a little bit of Paladin might be worthwhile so you have something to use your spell slots on while raging. Vengeance is the obvious choice since it also gives you Vow of Enmity, but you can get Advantage so reliably with Barbarians that Watchers might be the superior Oath since its Channel Divinity includes the ability to give yourself advantage on mental saving throws, making you a little more resilient against crowd control.
I don't recommend scout, swash or thief. I don't recommend rogue at all if you don't have party surprise.
How well would a shadow monk (6) rogue combo work? Inquisitive and assassin seem like good subclass options, but I'm not sure how well it would work. I can see there being massive potential with surprise rounds, especially on assassin, as you have the shadow monk teleport, and inquisitive meshes stats well, and provides some unique abilities. I plan on using this multi class in an upcoming campaign, but I do want to know how effective it would be in combat, as the build doesn't really come online until at least level 7, when your taking mostly monk levels after the first rogue level to start.
Kobold, do you have any video covering/talking about green flame blade or booming blade? I dont think they're super great but i would like to see you talking about them and making some fun builds with a bit of optimization
They're ok but I wouldn't optimize them. Extra attack with Pam for example is just better.
The problem with those is that they don't work with Extra Attack, so you need something like Bladesinger that lets you replace an attack with a cantrip. Then we're probably mostly doing the Bladesinger stuff, since we're in melee now. But if you're interested in what a Bladesinger optimizing those cantrips could do, check out Kolby's Bladesinger 3.0 (The Flamesinger) build. (d4: D&D Deep Dive and Pack Tactics have done content together and promoted each other, so I assume it's okay to mention them here!) It does some interesting things like bouncing green flame blade off of yourself to hit them, too, and then using absorb elements as a reaction on your own fire damage. Probably only mid-op, but still a cool build if that's your jam or you can't run high-op at your table.
Honestly going GWM and PM makes the rogue levels mostly dead levels damage wise.
If you go PM and Dual wielder then you get 2 rage sneak attacks around. PM gives you an extra AOp trigger when you weild a Weapon that counts but you don't have to attack with the polearm.
Why didn't you read the pinned comment?
@PackTactics I was listening on a public transportation commut and didn't see it. I deleted the first paragraph because it was too confrontational with the pinned comment in mind.
But IMO going for Assassinate without also accommodating sneak attack is a bit of a waste unless you build to make your one guaranteed* crit per combat as devastating as possible. (Arguably, if you play at a table that doubles damage instead of dice, then this point is moot)
Going for Cunning action is fine. Any extra use for your bonus action is definitely optimal. I was going to suggest monk or goblin as alternatives, but they are straight up antithetical to GWM.
Make sure to play this as a bugbear for the extra 2d6 damage per hit which is doubled by a crit.
is there any mechanical difference between the glaive and the halberd in dnd 5e?
Very nice build. Obviously very similar to the Flagship ranger.
Dont know how great the 3 levels in rogue are here though, considering that you never get to sneak attack using a polearm. But i dont know what would level instead. Neither paladin nor more levels in barbarian seem inviting.
With 4 extra levels you could put 2 into barbarian and 2 into fight and you’ll get an ASI from both.
@@AtelierGod We are considering 4 levels of rogue against 2 in fighter and 2 in barb. So its either the rogue Chassis + 1 ASI + Assasinate
Vs
Brutal critical, which is sadly very bad + 2 ASI
Wait this build already goes 4 levels into fighter, did you just mean taling them sooner? :)
@@Terker2 you’d get with 8 levels in barbarian Feral instinct, Instinctive Pounce, and an ASI or Feat.
@@Terker2 as for fighter they get an extra ASI at level 6
If I use sorladinshould i put all my spell slots into first level snites?
The Glass Conan?
So you add rogue, fighter, and barbarian together to make a character who is a thief, and a reaver, a slayer?
I was thinking you could do 4 barbarian and 6 fighter instead so you can get 3 feats and extra attack
Only thing you really lose is barbarian path upgrade so it depends what you go with
BranColonia sounds a lot like Tilea in Warhammer Fantasy, complete with Skaven neighbours... 😬😆
Wowww
I'd like to see how you'd optimize a level 1 character
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@@PackTactics that works
Well, I play - 3 levels Barb bear totem, 2 levels paladin, 14 levels bard swords and 1 level warlock hexblade. Crit and Smite
I was working on a barb glass cannon for a one shot lol when I saw this.
Right now im thinking trying to do a mounted Giant Barb with a lance, so no GWM and no PAM, but im thinking of starting with an oversized lance and just always reckless attacking. With 6 barb lvls, that's a 3d12 + 1d6 + 2 + Str weapon in rage, with 20ft reach thanks to bugbear, plus a BA attack with Dual Wielder that only does 3d12+2. The question is, is this a good idea, or is a mounted giant barb a bad idea, and i should just go grounded? And if i go grounded, would it be worth keeping the lance, or should i rid myself of a bit of dmage for PAM? If it's oversized, I won't benefit much from GWM, so that's the other thing. Do i not oversize the base halberd then to use GWM instead? And do i pick up Echo Knight for more coverage thanks to the absurd range?
If you want to stay mounted and lancing, you could go for dual wielder feat instead of PAM, and bonus action two weapon fight with the lance
@@tylergoerlich9494 i mentioned that
Honestly, I think I'd rather take the utility of extra cleric levels over the assassin or even maybe the Gloomstalker levels. Giant barbarian has some fun higher level subclass features. Martials do okay on the damage front but access to utility might be even better than 9 levels across 2 disjointed subclasses that don't provide much beyond expertises.
10 Giant Barb, 4 BM fighter, 6 Peace Cleric lets you do damage while having solid utility in and out of combat.
Hell, I'd say maybe swap ranger levels for Spores Druid and go 10 Giant/5 Spores/1 Peace/4 BM, become the large angry mushroom man. Still get Spike Growth/PWT and you get a free damage rider on a few attacks with more survivability at the cost of 1 start of the combat attack and a d8. Let your allies give you advantage.
How is sneak attack procced without losing GWM? Are the crits from ass just fornthe extra 1d10?
I'm playing a Ranger and I'll pick Gloomstalker, for my first level I picked Stealth as my expertise, I want a stealth/control style of play, what multicalss should I pick Battle Master or Assassin Rogue? Both look so good
Depends on what you want, damage? Utility? Spell casting?
Do both.
I want to surpise foes and end then in the first turn, Gloomstalker and Assassin Rogue can easily do this, but Fighter with another Fighting Style and Action surge is also great
Follow the flagship ranger by tabletopbuilds, best control is death.
Personally, I'd recommend Battle Master over Assassin unless your DM is very forgiving about running Surprise. Basically, if they run Surprise RAW, Assassin is really inconsistent.
The way Surprise works, everyone still rolls Initiative as normal, but anyone who is Surprised has the Surprised condition, which removes their ability to move or take actions or reactions until the end of their first turn. So, if you Surprise an enemy, but then roll lower Initiative than your target, Assassin gives you absolutely nothing. No advantage on your attack roll, because your target technically took a turn in combat, even if they couldn't move or take actions during it. And no automatic critical hit, since the Surprised condition automatically clears itself at the end of their turn.
It's the reason the last Rogue playtest completely redid Assassinate. They keep the advantage on attacks against enemies in the first round that haven't taken a turn, but did away with the automatic critical hit in favor of A) advantage on initiative rolls, and B) extra damage equal to your Rogue level on anyone hit by your Sneak Attack in the first round. Less flashy, but *significantly* more reliable.
I'm surprised 2 levels of paladin weren't involved.
Feels like a Skyrim character. Start out as a raging barbarian then turn into a sneaky assassin by the end of the game.
Never thought of it that way but I would say it always tries to be sneaky at all levels or at least it should.
I’m with Gator.. I want pasta.
Isn’t sneak attack limited to finesse and range weapons only?
It is, so you can't use Sneak Attack with this build in an efficient way at all. The reason behind the Rogue levels is Cunning Action and Assassinate (even though it depends on your teammates to use it, so most of the time there's only 2 Rogue levels actually worth taking). I suspect he just misspoke 😂
The build isn't interested in using sneak attack. It would only be 7 extra damage per round. The rogue levels are for the auto crits on four glaive attacks which are all likely to land, adding 3d10+1d4 or 19 extra damage. You could make a ranged version of this build that would use the sneak attack though, take Crossbow expert and Sharpshooter instead of GWM and PAM, only take two barbarian levels for reckless attack, and spend the extra levels on rogue or ranger. I think this would squeeze some extra damage and accuracy as well as the inherent advantages of fighting at range, but you'd miss out on barbarian subclass features and a little bit of health and the loss of rage damage and the d10 weapon might hurt more than the sneak attack and archery fighting style would add.
@@WolfbloodJakeWilliamsWhat I'm saying is that you don't have any way to make Assassinate work reliably without relying on your team until super late in your career, so for a standalone build I would present it with just Rogue 2 and probably end up as Barb 8/BM 4/Peace 1/Gloom 5/Rogue 2 instead, since otherwise you're assuming a party that is casting PWT for you rather than a self synergy between your features like you could get as Flagship Ranger. And yeah, Sneak Attack is whatever. If you know there's a Druid or Ranger on the party, go for that 3rd lvl though!
Just get a heavy crossbow, then make an Improvised Attack in melee with it. BAM, two-handed melee weapon you're proficient with, but it's USING a weapon that HAS the Ranged property. -5 to hit, reckless attack for advantage and sneak attack, deals 1d4+strength mod+rage damage+sneak attack+10. (1d8 by using it as a Greatclub if your DM allows it to still be treated as having the Ranged property if you do that. But that's a bit more squinty.) Then drop it, pull out your real weapon, Extra Attack, and that procs your PAM bonus action attack.
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... echo knight on the third level - The barbarian on the 5th: you can make eight attacks in one row... With proper poison feet you can do a planted image with criticals from 3rd level rouge assassin...
Can you do a short on a version that dips for shield? I'm trying to figure out the stats/feats for it and man its weird. You can start 12 wisdom because you're gonna take resilient wisdom before cleric/ranger. But I can't figure out how to get 13 dex and 13 cha without lowering constitution below 14. The best I can come up with is 16/14/12/8/12/13 or 16/13/13/8/13/13. Seems really weird to sacrifice a +1 to con and HP during early levels just for shield in the later levels. It's not like there's a good half feat for con and you probably want feats or +2 str before +2 con or +1 con,+1 dex. Rage fiend seems like a way better build to grab Shield on (5 barb/1 sorc/14 fiend warlock).
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Optimal pure transmuter
I was surprised that you didn't take any paladin, but looking over it there really isn't any room, all the other options are better.
Correct. You sadly don't have enough spell slots IMO to do it properly.
@@PackTactics You might be able to spend some things if you drop rogue/ranger and grab hexblade/divine soul/paladin, if you pick up Lucky you can turn disadvantage into super advantage, then grab champion instead, but it would be weird, more resource intensive and the damage would be overall lower on average even though your peaks might be a little bigger some times, maybe pick up more sorc levels so you can build bigger spell slots, but you might also need to take martial adept but your ASI would be suffering. Might be viable if the DM does 2 combat days with a short rest in the middle, otherwise I can't see you doing anything but throwing your glaive while standing on the back lines on combat 3+.
@@chiepah2 I think if you go for eldritch smite then that will do more for the build than going Paladin. You also have 3rd level pact slots for counterspell. If you go 5th level divine soul instead you get Spirit guardians and that can be pretty crazy for this build.
@@PackTactics That make more sense, and spirit guardians is going to do more than a paladin aura.
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Rouge Barbarian Cannon?
More like Conan.
The main thing I’m confused about here is PAM and sneak attack because the weapon requirements conflict with each other
Correct. We don't care about sneak attack. We're after Assassinate.
@@PackTactics thanks for replying! That’s helpful to know that you think the multiclass is worth is for assassinate alone
My guy just copied the flagship ranger build but put it on a barbarian lol. It is a very overpowered build so I really cant blame him.
To make this Glass Cannon Barbarian build, you need to be a Master Stalker and grab a little Peace of Giant Ass
Could someone please explain why its optimal to pick "two-weapon fighting" instead of "great weapon fighting" with our fighter levels
Edited because of spelling
I said great weapon fighting but I show the wrong thing. Ignore two weapon fighting. That's a mistake.
@@PackTactics alright no worries
12:34 This build has four levels in ass.
Gift of the Metallic Dragon is a better fit for barbarians, you get to cast Cure Wounds once/day, which would only be useful outside of raging, but the ghostly wings can be used even while raging & it adds the proficiency bonus to to your AC (proficiency bonus times/day) as a reaction to an attack. It unlike Shield is per attack & does not last until your next turn.
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I think the one problem with multiclassing Rogue with this build is that you don't benefit from Sneak Attack at all.
Sneak attack reads: "Once per turn, you can deal an extra 1d6 damage to one creature you hit with an attack if you have advantage on the attack roll. The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon." Finesse being the key thing here. There are no weapons which have both Heavy and Finesse, so Sneak Attack is incompatible with Great Weapon Master.
It's still a very minor thing in the scheme of things though, considering the build mainly picks up Rogue for Assassinate anyways, but don't go counting on getting those extra d6 on your big crit opener turn, or ever, for that matter.
A battlemaster can take the Quick Toss maneuver : to throw daggers as a bonus action, trigger the sneak attack and also trigger the rage damage thanks to giant barbarian.
But there is a choice to do : the bonus action from PaM with Great Weapon Master or the Quick toss attack with sneak attack ?
You can hit someone with a heavy crossbow as an improv weapon. It still counts as a ranged weapon, as well as a melee attack with a heavy weapon, allowing you to combine great weapon master and sharpshooter, as well as the rogue bonus .
Take levels in warlock to cast hold creature if you want to hit.
You need to re-read the giant barbarian features. All of your heavy weapons are now thrown "ranged" weapons now. Dosen't need to be finesse if it's ranged.
@@Steele00 Actually, wouldn't an attack made with a thrown weapon not be a ranged weapon attack, and thus not work with Great Weapon Master?
Great Weapon Master reads "Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with...", and when Jeremy Crawford was asked about melee weapon attacks in 2016, the question and answer were as follows: "(question)What does “melee weapon attack” mean: a melee attack with a weapon or an attack with a melee weapon?(answer) It means a melee attack with a weapon.", so Great Weapon Master should not work with a thrown weapon.
@@kahunab7400 If you use a ranged weapon as an improvised weapon, it no longer is a ranged weapon. It's an improvised weapon attack. It can benefit from neither Great Weapon Master nor Sharpshooter.
Barbarian glass cannon is oxymoron
alternative idea: take Rune Knight to have both Giant based martials on one build. since the runes are based on player level rather than class level you can take the runes that are usually gated by 7th level.
rune knight locks all of it's progression behind fighter levels
"The following runes are available to you when you learn a rune. If a rune has a level requirement, you must be at least that level in this class to learn the rune."
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No, that's just us italians
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Gloom stalker on a nova build? Weird.
That's very common actually lol.
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Erm, “Spaghetti Fantasy”? Is Kobold being fredophobic?
8:50 yeah, as a DM I don’t see more than one guy coming up with a good justification of a deity of Peace letting this pc receive their blessings
There's plenty of violent Warriors who fight for peace. That's like the ultimate goal for majority of adventuring parties. Like for example: wanting Strahd dead. If you kill Strahd, a lot of good things happen.
I've basically the same thing but;
3 Bear Totem Barbarian (Incredible sustain)
3 Soulknife Rogue (Extra dmg for sneak + skill rerolls + range option)
3 Gloomstlaker Ranger (Additional attack + Long strider)
And planning to go 3 Psi Warrior Fighter for the theme. Obviously battlemaster would be better but role playing is roleplaying.
Wait what? How do you get extra attack and pass without trace? 3 levels in ranger won't give you either, and you didn't have 5 levels in any martial class
How to build an optimal barbarian:
step 1: barbarian
step 2: Flagship Ranger...
get pranked?
Yes. It is very similar to flagship Ranger because that build is insanely good.
Inserted the wrong fighting style and the wrong resilient lul
Yeah. That's a mistake. Sorry.
smol editing mistakes
10:28 text on screen says two-weapon fighting
11:00 & 11:32 text on screen says resilient (con)
Correct. Sorry about that.
Nice and to the point. For the fighting style, why not take blind fighting or superior technique? GW is so disappointing as a fighting style