@@MrSailing101 In OoT Rauru says "The Master Sword is a sacred blade which evil ones may never touch...." and in TP Zelda says ""The Master Sword is a sacred blade that evil can never touch. Evil cloaks you like a dark veil... and that blade is the only thing that can cleave it." Unless you're referencing a different line, 'bear' has nothing to do with it.
Dunno if it’s been mentioned but in Skyward Sword there’s a sequence at Eldin where Link gets shaken down by Bokoblins, totally disarmed, and then imprisoned. He has to sneak out and collect his entire inventory again, in a stealth/mini-Metroidvania style sequence. And part of that disarming is the master sword. Bokoblins steal the blade and take it all the way up the entire frickin Eldin volcano, only dropping it from the summit. The Zelda equivalent of a mugging. And some grunt did indeed carry the sword in canon
Clearly the explanation is that Fi doesn't think TotK Ganondorf is really that bad of a guy. Personally, I always just assumed that the big, sweeping claims like "evil cannot touch it" were just part of the in-world mythology that had formed around the sword, because it sounds dramatic, and it could help deter people from getting involved in evil plots because some hero might show up with the sword that instantly kills you if it touches you.
You've cracked it! Maybe - but Zelda says to Link, "The Master Sword is a sacred blade that evil can never touch. Evil cloaks you like a dark veil... and that blade is the only thing that can cleave it." That doesn't sound like a a scare tactic.
@@LittleBeanGreen fair, although we see firsthand that it takes dozens of hits to bring down the biggest villains, which obviously involves contact with the blade, so there's clearly some degree of exaggeration
i feel the need to mention that one video where someone leads a yiga blademaster to korok forest in botw and he just. takes the sword right out of the pedestal like its nothing
@@LittleBeanGreen yup, its one of my favorite botw glitches ever lol. its funny because i'm not even sure if it counts as a glitch, since blademasters are programmed to pick uo any discarded weapons they find. i guess the master sword counts as a discarded weapon?
I always wondered as a kid what would happen if someone unworthy tried to wield the Master Sword. Good on Breath of the Wild for letting us know that it just fuckin kills them.
about the totk thing, that wouldn't count as ganondorf touching it, i think its more like both things are strong enough to destroy themselvesy, since even a shard of the sword completely cut and even boiled ganondorf's face after it broke, its like if the sword was made of fire and ganondorf threw ice blocks at it, they completely melt once they touch the blade but they eventually at huge quantities, would damage the blade even if they cannot touch it (i don't think this was the best analogy about it, but i hope i expressed my point correctly) so technically, if ganondorf or a monster took the master sword, it would burn them and also the master sword that the gramps and dark link use in albtw is never textually stated to be the master sword, but its probably just a similar sword to mimick the original, just like hero's shade sword or the royale guard sword in botw (which is not that similar but its stated to be made to mimick it) in everything else i fully agree with your vision of "anyone can hold it and even try to hit someone with it but just the hero can properly weild it" maybe it has to do with the hero's soul giving superhuman strenght and this sword is really large and meant to be weilded with one hand, but the powers that FI give are definetly just for the hero
I still think it's concentrated evil...which is not supposed to affect the master sword. I recognize that it may not be textually stated as such, but it also...isn't? So it could be argued either way since it's so vague. All in all, I think this is the best explanation.
@LittleBeanGreen I mean, about the malice, I think it's just due to the immense power of this ganondorf plus the accumulation of thousands of years. The master sword is strong, but this was just absurd, and only bathing the sword for the same amount of time was able to surpass it About the second one, I think its more unlikely since, well, you already have the sword on your hand
@@zeromontalvan1514 I don't buy that a dessicated Ganondorf, sealed by the magic of Rauru for milennia is stronger than a sword the Deku Tree says in the game is 'fully restored.'
@LittleBeanGreen Yes, the sword was fully restored, but basically, this ganondorf kept powering up for thousands of blood moons, at the point where the calamities were just a part of his whole power and just the calamity through guardians was able to damage the master sword, it totally makes sense that the source of it would be stronger
I see it as a situation similar the Silmarils from Tolkien's Legendarium. Like the Master Sword, it was said that no evil could touch them. However, Morgoth (basically the devil) stole them and placed them in a crown that he wore out of spite, despite it causing him great agony.
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A couple things I wanted to bring up, which may or may not matter depending on how much you treat as canon. First, the Master Sword also makes an appearance in the Oracle games, but only during a Linked Game after you've already finished one game and carried your save over to the other, because in each game, you get one sword upgrade from the trading quest, and another via a password that you got in the opposite game. The question is whether or not this instance of the Master Sword is actually canonically obtained at all, or it's it's purely a gameplay thing. Most of the methods by which you obtain these various sword upgrades don't fit at all, either by repairing or upgrading existing blades, but there is ONE that fits, a single order of events that could allow the Master Sword to be canon in the Oracle games. For this to line up, Ages must be played first, followed by Seasons. Then, in Seasons, you must receive the upgrade from the Ages password before the one that you get from the trading quest. Why does this matter? Because unlike all the other options, the sword upgrade that you get from Seasons' trading quest is obtained via a big pedestal found deep within the Lost Woods. Granted, they're the Holodrum Lost Woods, but it's not unreasonable to imagine that there could be a connection to Hyrule located in the mysterious woods famous throughout the series for teleportation magic. Meanwhile, if Seasons is first, then it becomes impossible for the Master Sword's appearance in these games to be canon. That said, it actually makes way more sense for Ages to be first when it comes to narrative continuity anyways (Despite the official timeline claiming that Seasons is first.), so as far as I'm concerned, it's entirely plausible that the Master Sword's appearance here could be fully canon. The second thing I wanted to cover was Ancient Stone Tablets, the Satellaview sequel to ALttP set 6 years later, at the same time that Link is trapped on Koholint Island during Link's Awakening. It's revealed that Ganon's spirit survived the destruction of his body in ALttP and the "Hero of Light" (aka your Satellaview avatar character) was summoned from another world and needs to stop him in Link's absence. Near the end of the game, you can retrieve the Master Sword from its usual pedestal in the woods, and even after 6 years it still has the golden upgrade from ALttP, which is really cool. Now, while I THINK that the Master Sword is technically optional in this game, the fact that it's possible AT ALL for the "Hero of Light" to both draw the blade from its pedestal and wield it to it's full Ganon-smiting potential raises questions. Ancient Stone Tablets, while not explicitly confirmed to be canon, has never been confirmed to be non-canon either, and was technically even the first game to introduce multiple things that would later become important pieces of the series, from Zelda having prophetic dreams to Ganon cheating death via Malice, and more. The issue lies in the fact that we aren't 100% sure whether the Oracle games happen before or after Link's Awakening (which AST is confirmed to happen concurrently with), but I believe either option is explainable. If the Oracle games happen before LA/AST, then Twinrova's botched ritual could potentially explain how Ganon's body and soul became separated in the first place, with the latter being forced to survive off of Malice while the former gets sealed away. If the Oracle games happen after AL/AST, then it's possible that Ganon's soul being defeated in AST is the real reason that Ganon is mindless in the Oracles, instead of it being due to the botched ritual. Anyways, my point is that AST shouldn't just be immediately dismissed as non-canon, so that brings me back to the question of why this game's "Hero of Light" can wield the Master Sword, and the answer is simple: Ganon was on the brink of returning and Link wasn't available, so Fi made an exception for this pure-hearted kid full of light and let them use the sword during an emergency despite not possessing the Spirit of the Hero. And besides, as you've shown, less virtuous characters have already been shown to handle the blade as well, so by comparison, a genuine hero who just happens to not be Link for once shouldn't be a deal breaker.
@@LittleBeanGreen That reminds me of a part near the end of the ALttP manga, where Link is tricked into nearly killing one of his friends because Agahnim transformed her into a monster, and when he realizes what happened, it's the last straw. Between this, and Agahnim being the one who indirectly killed his parents and DIRECTLY killed his Uncle, Link's heart becomes SO full of sheer hatred towards Agahnim that the Dark World begins turning him into a beast himself, making him temporarily unfit to wield the Master Sword until Zelda shows up and calms him down, undoing the transformation. So yeah, even Link isn't always automatically good enough to meet the Master Sword's high standards (which is further backed up by it sealing him away for 7 years because it thought he was too young). Though it's worth noting that there's a part in Hyrule Warriors where the strength that Link gains from the Master Sword is so great that it causes him to start becoming arrogant, to the degree that said arrogance even manifests as that game's Dark Link. However this is apparently not enough to warrant him becoming unfit to wield the blade, so I guess arrogance strong enough to make a dark clone is okay, but getting angry at someone evil for doing evil things makes you just as evil in the eyes of the blade lol. Oh also, I just found out that the Master Sword was also in the Anniversary Edition of Four Swords on DSi/3DS, but that particular appearance is definitely non-canon because you get it from a blatantly non-canon bonus level that clearly only exists as fanservice. Plus, Link still uses it to split into Four, making it not much more than a skin for the Four Sword that lets it shoot beams.
@@LittleBeanGreen Yep lol. Like for example, it deems the Hero of Time too young when he's 9 years old, so it seals him away until he's 16, which does line up with how old most other Links are when THEY wield it. However, there's one big exception to this supposed age limit, and that's the Hero of Winds obtaining and using it at age 12. Why wasn't HE sealed away for 4 years until the age of 16 like the Hero of Time? And if 12 is good enough, why was the Hero of Time sealed for 4 more years than necessary? Normally this would be a blatant plot hole, but I've got two possible explanations: A) Because the Master Sword had lost a lot of its power without the Earth and Wind sages, it's possible that it wanted to seal the Hero of Wind away like it did with the Hero of Time, but was incapable of doing so, and by the time that its power was restored, this new Link had proven himself more than capable already. or B) There's actually a theory that the Master Sword in Wind Waker is a new, SECOND Master Sword, entirely separate from the one seen in every other game. The idea being that if you pay attention to the end of OoT, you'll see that Link still had the Master Sword when he was sent back to the Child Timeline, which would leave the Adult Timeline devoid of having a Master Sword at all, and the Royal Family had to make a new one to replace the one that disappeared. This would explain things like the sword's size and design being drastically different, its placement under Hyrule Castle instead of in the Temple of Time, and the need for the Earth and Wind sages at all, when such roles were never necessary before or since, because they're THE source of this sword's power, and not just 'A' source. And if this is a new sword, then it wouldn't come with Fi, and probably not any of the inherent requirements of the original Master Sword. Even if it did still have the age requirement though, there's no reason that explanation A can't also be in effect at the same time.
@@LittleBeanGreen Make a video discussing the subject, it’ll get you views. The topic of how much time passed in between ALTTP and ALBW is still uncertain so make a video talking about it!
4:32 Was I the only one who thought that was just the Master Sword getting Worf'd? It's supposed to be untouchable by evil, so evil managing to touch it only proves how much of a threat they are. That's what I did with Dark Link in my fanfic, at least. Sure, his swordarm is practically boiling, but he's otherwise not even flinching.
I get that it's supposed to show the power of Ganondorf but at the same time you've just broken your own rules, Nintendo. And it isn't even like Ganondorf picked it up and it was negatively affecting him. He degraded and destroyed it...
The reason Ganondorf was able to break the sword was because he attacked it with Shouki, which Din's blessing from SS seemed to not have an immunity to. It took thousands of years of absorbing power from Zelda to gain immunity over Shouki.
Personally I'm not bothered about the fact your character held the sword, I'd raise an eyebrow if they started swinging it around but still not a big deal, Zelda is known for breaking its own rules. As for the lore, personally I figured the reason Ganondorf in TotK was able to destroy the Master Sword with gloom was because its power had waned over the years. According to TotK lore (the only relevant ones being BotW and TotK since every iteration has different lore for the sword), the Master Sword needs to bathe in sacred light to infinitely gain strength. In the memories of BotW, Link used the Master Sword so much that the power decayed to the point the sword also began to decay. 100 years of sacred light allowed it to be useful, but still not the blade of evils bane. I'd say it's as powerful as the WW Master Sword for example. Whether the Trial of the Sword is canon is unknown, but its also possible this power wasn't enough either. Regardless, Ganondorf was able to destroy it in this form due to how weak it had become. It was only after the tens of thousands of years of the sword bathing in the sacred light of the light dragon that it was powerful enough to deal with Ganondorf. This also explains why it can't break at all in the final boss fight!
That's all well in good, but in a TotK cutscene when Link and Zelda return to retrieve the Master Sword again, the Great Deku Tree says, and I quote, "Your blade has been fully restored." Which certainly sounds like it nothing else is required. That doesn't mean it can't be even stronger, but the in-game text makes it seem like it doesn't need to be.
@@LittleBeanGreen That's true, I can only speculate that that's because the legends of all the past games are so far in the distant past that even the Great Deku Tree is unaware of how strong the sword is supposed to be, but that's really hard to stand by with any real confidence. I'd be really curious to see what the direct translation of the Japanese dialogue is like for TotK. I know that in the past the localisation has butchered the original meaning of dialogue such as Twilight Princess where the localisation implies the Ooccoo created the Hylians. Even in BotW they totally re-contextualised the quest log to be 3rd person descriptions instead of Link's personal notes in 1st person with his own flavour text about different events and even his relationship with Zelda I do love discussing pedantic Zelda lore, it's a bit ridiculous and not a lot truly makes sense but it's a lot of fun 😅
I’ve been going over some crossover ideas and concepts (I’m no story writer and neither do I animate), and to go completely off the Zelda canon (if you’re confused, it matters not. This is just from the brilliant corners of my mind), some characters may be capable to use the Master Sword, but only by the capacity of the power to repel evil WITHOUT Hylia’s blessing. Bear in mind, Hylia’s blessing is what only the hero can obtain with the sword, but anyone having the powers from the Three Sacred Flames is not likely too far-fetched. I’ve been conceptualizing the idea of a crossover between Team Fortress 2 and Super Smash Bros. in a 3-part miniseries. In the third part, Lucina jumps into a space-displacement portal and accidentally drops her Parallel Falchion in the process. As the portal closes, Link is forced to throw the Master Sword to reach Lucina as he takes her Falchion instead. Now I may not have any knowledge of Fire Emblem: Awakening or the series in general, but Lucina is a likely character to have Power, Wisdom, and Courage in perfect balance, but lacks the blessings of Hylia, so she can repel evil but not truly destroy it. Another character I have in mind in another separate crossover series idea is Zan Partizanne from Kirby Star Allies. Before any further confusion let me point things out. Zan Partizanne and her sisters, Francisca and Flamberge, all have tear-jerking backgrounds. All underwent environmental disasters that nearly costed them their lives, taken in by Hyness who, before long, suddenly went insane upon the sudden encounter with Void Termina. Long story short: all became corrupted, sealed away for eons, escaped, resumed their dark rituals, only to end up sacrificing themselves, one Void Termina fight later, they’re seemingly irredeemable, only for Kirby to gather enough hearts to instantly reverse the effects done to them, since then, they’ve been in friendly terms. Now for my “crossover” Zan, despite the unpleasant flashbacks, she manages to wield the an altered version of the Master Sword from Toon Link and… (Well I kinda don’t want to dive too much into details) Again, it matters not. This is just fan fiction… a more constructive one at least… :l
In the non-canon aLttP sequel, Ancient Stone Tablets, you do get a pure-hearted hero from another world lift the sword from the pedestal and wield it. However, they do need the Titan's Mitts to be able to, so they may be "less accepted" by it. Also unlike in aLttP, it's already in its fully-powered form. It can tell good-hearted people apart. Zelda probably could outright wield it without any proof. The symbols also I always understood more of an extra lock on the sword than its choice. TotK destroying it feels more like, Ganon's power got so strong it broke through the specifically-anti-ganon power. The Oracle games... are weird. There's, potentially two swords called "Master Sword". One is potentially in a pedestal in some secret woods in Holodrum... And the other is more interesting, it's a rusted old sword found ashore in an island in the middle of a cursed ocean that may have involved some centuries of time travel shenanigans. While the first one is unlikely to be the real thing, I wonder if the second one could be an instance of the Master Sword abandoned through timelines. Then again these games are also weird even about if they're aLttP sequels or not.
@@LittleBeanGreen not only that, but it's consistently shown to be never enough on its own. It's like, it can cut, repel and harm evil more, which it does and is remarkable! ... and in-universe people take that as "it can totally win instantly against all evil!" and then often Link tries and loses.
Another interesting thing is that, the unpowered Master Sword, the Master Sword at its default... *is not enough to even hurt Ganon at all, in aLttP.* If you just merely slash at him it just does simply no damage. Like it takes charging it with your own power at least to do minimal damage to him. Only by powering it up you can fight. (And of course, even *that* is also never enough to kill Ganon anyways.) Let alone Agahnim too who not only isn't hurt at all by the sword itself, but "his evil power is so great" that if you try he just takes advantage you're holding a metal pole and *electrocutes you.* All this in the game that introduces the master sword, that calls it the blade of evil's bane. That tells of how grandiose it is and... it's not enough. Not even its fully powered form is enough. So basically it's more that the Master Sword simply... isn't actualy that powerful. It *can* cut, repel, and harm evil, it can attack and cut through something immaterial no other weapon can, but it's only that.
@@LittleBeanGreen Like, it's not even just "evil" as an abstract, it's especifically the kind of evil Demise is. It's specifically a Ganon-killing sword... And it alone is very much not enough. Like it says enough in the introduction game people are like "if you get this thing we'll all be saved! it's going to Kill the Wizard!" and then immediately Sahasrahla is like "oh. oh no. the evil's bane sword? we messed up. yes it cut the barrier. no it won't cut the person." Everyone overestimates the Master Sword wildly all the time. I don't think there's a single game where it lives up to people's expectations.
@@LittleBeanGreen Thinking about it, nobody really talks much about the Master Sword as a weapon in OoT...? Mostly that pulling it helped Ganondorf ruin everything. They mention "blade of evil's bane" a few times but then turns out the weapon needed to kill him is the Light Arrows which, revealing also ends up giving Zelda away.
I am with you on this because technically Its got to touch evil to know evil and how kill evil if no touch evil and I do think "evil cannot touch the sword" is true because I believe it to mean evil cannot touch the power inside the sword because we know the sword can be touched and worse break but after a long time and in the best conditions is fixed and more powerful so evil can break but not destroy.
This is one of those things I'd be interested to know what the Japanese text says. There's been a lot of things lost in translation from the original Japanese text. And then I'd also be interested in an analysis of any contradictions in the Japanese text.
You're gonna tell me that the dessicated Gerudo that dried out under the the castle for thousands of years is more powerful than a sword the Deku Tree calls 'fully restored?'
@@LittleBeanGreen Yes, his gloom has been growing for thousands of years and ganon’s malice was shown to damage the blade. Also, this is the version of the sword that isn’t fully upgraded with the trials of the sword as it isn’t constantly glowing.
People are wholesale pushing their presumptions that it's like Thor's hammer or the timeline is like MCU multiverse because they can't mentally separate IP's, just force ideas that are painstakingly stuck in their mass-marketed brains. Fans are not doing okay. Like they just can't handle that one fantasy works like this and another like that, it can only be like Marvel and DC which are basically just IP swap copypaste of each other. They can't and won't actually just read and take in a NEW story where the meaning and plot is different, they NEED Master Sword to be like a superpower.
Ohh, this is some pedantic nerdy shit so I will answer your pedantry with mine. The examples are pretty wack ngl. If we count gameplay as canon then Link canonically destroys every pot he sees and has the powers to stop time to shift through his items. Dark Link/ the Old Man, the smiths and fairy are either non canonical depictions for gameplay or are never actually seen touching the sword directly. No one but Link and Zelda are canonically shown holding the sword. Plus you even show how it can suck up life energy from people it decides are unworthy of using it. So having some bad guy hold it would be a blatant contradiction. That being said you can probably write around it by having some monsters shove it into some anti-magic containment but die in the process and the evil guy then picks up that. Or have mr. evil guy encase it in a magic bubble/ice so he doesn't directly touch it or something idk I'm not Tolkien but at least it won't be as blatant of a contradiction.
Pedant recognize pedant! Except for the fact that there is much stated about how the Master Sword repels evil, yet Ganondorf still destroys it in TotK, even after the Great Deku Tree says it is fully restored. Also, I believe that there are characters that get mad at Link...kick him out? Or make him pay for breaking pots in their house. And I do show that it sucks up life energy from Link, but he doesn't lose life because he's wielding it. He loses life because he's pulling it. Once it's already pulled, it's never shown taking life energy from anyone. I think it's less of a blatant contradiction to have a bad guy hold it once it's already been pulled than to say that evil cannot touch it, then have gloom destroy it.
@@LittleBeanGreen *puts on nerdy glasses* Yes, its purpose is to seal and destroy evil however that does not make it all powerful. It evidently needs to be recharged from time to time and kept in shape through prayer or just by resting in its pedastal, so the lore indirectly tells us the Master-Sword has limits and can be overpowered. The Deku Tree referring to the MS as being at full power is a slight misinterpretation of that scene. He goes on to say in that scene that the MS can get stronger by absorbing holy powers and that the stronger the power it absorbs the stronger the sword will end up. This very clearly tells us that the sword is not at "full" power as in at its most powerful state and merely restored to it's "default" strength. Going by that, the MS clearly has limits and restrictions, making it not contradictory that enough power could overpower it. It was even shown to have happened in during the Calamity in BotW. The MS has sustained damage during certain cutscenes since it was fighting Ganon's Guardians (so making direct contact with Malice-soaked beings) for an extended period of time without rest. Afte Link gets mortally wounded this weakened Master-Sword gets taken to it's pedastal to recover. After Link takes it back 100 later it has still not realized it's "default" strength given that it can be further powered up through certain conditions (Trial of the Sword or being around Malice). The MS is anti-evil but it is not limitless. However the ability to reject certain wielders has not (yet) been shown to fail. Those are two distinct abilities that are not neccessarily powerd by the same mechanic, since it's implied the chosing progress goes through Fi while the power to defeat evil of the MS depends on much more factors. While it is true to get certain reactions from NPCs they can't be reasonably assumed to be canon or by that logic Link "canonically" dies against a Bokoblin in the first 5 minutes of BotW. Why would it pull energy from anyone when it's never canonically been shown being wielded by someone who isn't chosen? The smiths and fairy are not directly, clearly shown holding the sword. Even if we go so far as to show that they did indeed hold it in their hands it would not prove that evil can hold it. There is a world of difference between Link giving it to someone willingly (and presumably Fi trusting him enough to let it happen) and it being actually being wielded by someone with ill intent. Plus to further disprove your Dark Link/ Old Man point, they are clearly not canonical/ for gameplay only or do you want to tell me that two (or even three) seperate MSs exist at the same time withoout any time travel shenanigans? Cap (of the Wild). But again the LoZ rarely deals in absolutes, so you could probably find a way to write around an evil guy touching the sword through some magic shenanigans.
@@PrimalScrub To me, fully restored means "it can do what it was created to do," i.e., be the sword of evil's bane. Because it can get stronger does not take away from the fact that it can be as strong as it needs to be when it's "fully restored." Why can't a reaction from an NPC based on the actions of the player character be assumed to be canon? Again, I'm not talking about it pulling energy from being held, I'm talking about it pulling energy from being pulled. In SS, when Link has the Goddess Sword, you can see the Master Sword in the Temple of Time. Zelda also apparently had the Master Sword in her head while the entirty of BotW happened - there is clearly a precedent for multiple swords clearly because of time travel shenanigans. You don't have to find a way to write around it because there is a world of different between holding it and wielding it (see CaptBurgerson's comment below? above?)
@@LittleBeanGreen I was telling you that the MS has limits. Things it cannot do with its normal everyday "full" power. So it stands to reason that a power greater than the MS can overpower it's abilty to smite evil. Think of it like a fire extinquisher. You can easily use one to put out small fires, but you're not gonna use one to put out a forest fire. Pretty simple concept. We can like it or not, but Ganon overpowering the MS is not a direct break from canon since it had clear limits in its evil smiting ability for over 20 years now. Because with video games the gameplay and what's canon are usually seperated. Gameplay is interactive and there are billions of possibilities of what could happen in it, so most game franchises only take very broad stroaks of gameplay as canon such as main story objectives or boss battles. That's how people have seen video game canon for decades. For example for years people argued about the Fierce Deitiy Mask in MM. Wether Link collected it or if it was even a canonical item to begin with and not just something inserted for the player's enjoyment (like some easter eggs/ crossover items often are). But then Hyrule Historia did indeed proclaim that it is an actual item, but that Link also canonically used it to defeat Majora. Again if we can take gameplay shit as canon then Link dies. A lot. And yes NPC reactions are generally non canonical since they react to your gameplay, also often in ways that canonically Link wouldn't do. Or is LInk canonically an arsonist who tries to behead NPCs and crucify Koroks? No, he is not. He is (in BotW/ TotK for example) a stoic sometimes goofy, but always helpful individual based on what other characters say and write about him and from what we can gleam in cutscenes. I think you misunderstood my point or are you unironically supporting the arguement that three seperate MSs exist at the same time being wielded by different characters in a game that has NO relations with time travel? The Dark Link/ Old Man are not canon examples of others holding the MS because it is so obviously breaking the worlds rules.
See, that would be an arguement if that was actually what happened. No Bokoblin picked up the blade. It was swept aside by the pressure of the volcanic eruption and got stuck in a rock. Every item the Bokoblins stole from Link was stored in chests in enemy camps, except the MS. That was stuck in the ground in part of the volcano blocked of by huge rocks that have to be blown up first. Fi also makes no comment on being touched, let alone being by carried away by monsters. I mean come on, there is a reason the MS has ben shown damaged and breaking in cutscenes, but NO cutscene has shown someone other than Link and Zelda wield it. That isn't a coincidence. And yes, the Zelda team doesn't give a flying fuck and will probably break that rule in the future to make things convenient for them, but I still stand by the fact that if I had to put my nerdy glasses on and forgo my ability to have fun it would indeed be a break (or at least a stretch) from what is currently established as canon. I mean, you don't HAVE to write around anything. It's a fan work, most people don't expect them to be 100% canon adjacent unless it makes some ridiculious breaks from canon and, hell, sometimes the deviance from canon is just what's fun about it. So just do what you wanna do.
While I enjoyed the video, I wish you had gone over with more depth the sword's more direct interactions with evil powers and the mechanics and reasoning behind its behavior, rather than simply justifying your story decision. I think that would have made for a more interesting and tasteful video. Perhaps your channel is not as theory-oriented.
I'm not sure I "simply justified the story decision." As I mentioned, the blade's powers seem rather inconsistent, but it is no stranger to interacting with other people. In the interest of not beating a dead horse, I summarized why I thought this was: because only the one who pulls it has complete mastery over it. But that doesn't keep it from being a sword that can still be handled by others.
Hmm its almost as if the reason evil can touch the sword in totk is because there is something with the "link" of the wild, its not supposed to hurt or take that much effort to pull the sword for someone with the spirit of the hero, someone with the spirit of the hero should be left handed in a non motion controlled game, someone with the spirit of the hero should wear green, someone with the spirit of the hero shouldn't be so weak that the master sword can lose its power while he's wielding it twice. It's almost as if a sword has now power unless the hand who wields it has courage and the era of the wild link is a weak birch without the spirit of the hero
Hm interesting - I'm not sure he should be capable of pulling it then. Seems like more of a Master Sword problem. WHY DOES IT NEED TO RECHARGE SO MUCH.
it's not that evil can not touch it, evil can not BEAR to touch it. pain on contact, not invisible barrier
But that's shown to not be true.
@@LittleBeanGreen Dude, the line is "evil can never BEAR TO touch" BEAR is the key word that defines what is being said.
@@MrSailing101 In OoT Rauru says "The Master Sword is a sacred blade which evil ones may never touch...." and in TP Zelda says ""The Master Sword is a sacred blade that evil can never touch. Evil cloaks you like a dark veil... and that blade is the only thing that can cleave it." Unless you're referencing a different line, 'bear' has nothing to do with it.
Dunno if it’s been mentioned but in Skyward Sword there’s a sequence at Eldin where Link gets shaken down by Bokoblins, totally disarmed, and then imprisoned. He has to sneak out and collect his entire inventory again, in a stealth/mini-Metroidvania style sequence.
And part of that disarming is the master sword. Bokoblins steal the blade and take it all the way up the entire frickin Eldin volcano, only dropping it from the summit. The Zelda equivalent of a mugging. And some grunt did indeed carry the sword in canon
I've heard about this, but couldn't quite find it rummaging around gameplay footage...thanks for adding.
Wasnt it the goddess sword And not the full master sword
@@LittleBeanGreen Princess Peach Is Definitely Worthy Of Wielding The Master Sword
@@RichardGlover-h2o Depends On How Far The Game Is
@@haileeraestout5567 And Tingle.
Clearly the explanation is that Fi doesn't think TotK Ganondorf is really that bad of a guy.
Personally, I always just assumed that the big, sweeping claims like "evil cannot touch it" were just part of the in-world mythology that had formed around the sword, because it sounds dramatic, and it could help deter people from getting involved in evil plots because some hero might show up with the sword that instantly kills you if it touches you.
You've cracked it!
Maybe - but Zelda says to Link, "The Master Sword is a sacred blade that evil can never touch. Evil cloaks you like a dark veil... and that blade is the only thing that can cleave it." That doesn't sound like a a scare tactic.
@@LittleBeanGreen fair, although we see firsthand that it takes dozens of hits to bring down the biggest villains, which obviously involves contact with the blade, so there's clearly some degree of exaggeration
@@jollaffle Yeah I mean I don't think it just turns things into nothing with the slightest stroke. It just has the ability to seal evil.
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i feel the need to mention that one video where someone leads a yiga blademaster to korok forest in botw and he just. takes the sword right out of the pedestal like its nothing
This exists?!
@@LittleBeanGreen yup, its one of my favorite botw glitches ever lol. its funny because i'm not even sure if it counts as a glitch, since blademasters are programmed to pick uo any discarded weapons they find. i guess the master sword counts as a discarded weapon?
@@ButterBoiled huh. I'll have to see this.
@@LittleBeanGreen you can find it pretty easily by googling "yiga blademaster steals master sword"
I always wondered as a kid what would happen if someone unworthy tried to wield the Master Sword. Good on Breath of the Wild for letting us know that it just fuckin kills them.
They wouldn't even have the chance to wield it ha
Important reminder that Tingle also has never touched the sword, so we still don‘t know his true heroic potential.
Funny you say that because my original thumbnail had Tingle holding the sword hahahah
@@LittleBeanGreen Glorious. Or you could update the existing one with Tingle creeping up on Link in the background
@@lmnt66 I'll think of something - he has to make an appearance at some point, right?
about the totk thing, that wouldn't count as ganondorf touching it, i think its more like both things are strong enough to destroy themselvesy, since even a shard of the sword completely cut and even boiled ganondorf's face after it broke, its like if the sword was made of fire and ganondorf threw ice blocks at it, they completely melt once they touch the blade but they eventually at huge quantities, would damage the blade even if they cannot touch it (i don't think this was the best analogy about it, but i hope i expressed my point correctly) so technically, if ganondorf or a monster took the master sword, it would burn them
and also the master sword that the gramps and dark link use in albtw is never textually stated to be the master sword, but its probably just a similar sword to mimick the original, just like hero's shade sword or the royale guard sword in botw (which is not that similar but its stated to be made to mimick it)
in everything else i fully agree with your vision of "anyone can hold it and even try to hit someone with it but just the hero can properly weild it" maybe it has to do with the hero's soul giving superhuman strenght and this sword is really large and meant to be weilded with one hand, but the powers that FI give are definetly just for the hero
I still think it's concentrated evil...which is not supposed to affect the master sword.
I recognize that it may not be textually stated as such, but it also...isn't? So it could be argued either way since it's so vague.
All in all, I think this is the best explanation.
@LittleBeanGreen I mean, about the malice, I think it's just due to the immense power of this ganondorf plus the accumulation of thousands of years. The master sword is strong, but this was just absurd, and only bathing the sword for the same amount of time was able to surpass it
About the second one, I think its more unlikely since, well, you already have the sword on your hand
@@zeromontalvan1514 I don't buy that a dessicated Ganondorf, sealed by the magic of Rauru for milennia is stronger than a sword the Deku Tree says in the game is 'fully restored.'
@LittleBeanGreen Yes, the sword was fully restored, but basically, this ganondorf kept powering up for thousands of blood moons, at the point where the calamities were just a part of his whole power and just the calamity through guardians was able to damage the master sword, it totally makes sense that the source of it would be stronger
@@zeromontalvan1514 Then what's the point of the sword? If Zelda doesn't HAPPEN to go back into the past, it is effectively useless. So why have it?
I see it as a situation similar the Silmarils from Tolkien's Legendarium. Like the Master Sword, it was said that no evil could touch them. However, Morgoth (basically the devil) stole them and placed them in a crown that he wore out of spite, despite it causing him great agony.
I think something like that is probably true though it doesn't seem to cause evil great agony unless it's being used against them.
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Many can hold it but they can’t wield its true power.
That was my takeaway as well
You explained this really well actually
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It just occurred to me that Fi is stuck forever at the bottom of the ocean in the adult timeline
WHOOPS!
A couple things I wanted to bring up, which may or may not matter depending on how much you treat as canon.
First, the Master Sword also makes an appearance in the Oracle games, but only during a Linked Game after you've already finished one game and carried your save over to the other, because in each game, you get one sword upgrade from the trading quest, and another via a password that you got in the opposite game. The question is whether or not this instance of the Master Sword is actually canonically obtained at all, or it's it's purely a gameplay thing. Most of the methods by which you obtain these various sword upgrades don't fit at all, either by repairing or upgrading existing blades, but there is ONE that fits, a single order of events that could allow the Master Sword to be canon in the Oracle games.
For this to line up, Ages must be played first, followed by Seasons. Then, in Seasons, you must receive the upgrade from the Ages password before the one that you get from the trading quest. Why does this matter? Because unlike all the other options, the sword upgrade that you get from Seasons' trading quest is obtained via a big pedestal found deep within the Lost Woods. Granted, they're the Holodrum Lost Woods, but it's not unreasonable to imagine that there could be a connection to Hyrule located in the mysterious woods famous throughout the series for teleportation magic. Meanwhile, if Seasons is first, then it becomes impossible for the Master Sword's appearance in these games to be canon. That said, it actually makes way more sense for Ages to be first when it comes to narrative continuity anyways (Despite the official timeline claiming that Seasons is first.), so as far as I'm concerned, it's entirely plausible that the Master Sword's appearance here could be fully canon.
The second thing I wanted to cover was Ancient Stone Tablets, the Satellaview sequel to ALttP set 6 years later, at the same time that Link is trapped on Koholint Island during Link's Awakening. It's revealed that Ganon's spirit survived the destruction of his body in ALttP and the "Hero of Light" (aka your Satellaview avatar character) was summoned from another world and needs to stop him in Link's absence. Near the end of the game, you can retrieve the Master Sword from its usual pedestal in the woods, and even after 6 years it still has the golden upgrade from ALttP, which is really cool. Now, while I THINK that the Master Sword is technically optional in this game, the fact that it's possible AT ALL for the "Hero of Light" to both draw the blade from its pedestal and wield it to it's full Ganon-smiting potential raises questions.
Ancient Stone Tablets, while not explicitly confirmed to be canon, has never been confirmed to be non-canon either, and was technically even the first game to introduce multiple things that would later become important pieces of the series, from Zelda having prophetic dreams to Ganon cheating death via Malice, and more. The issue lies in the fact that we aren't 100% sure whether the Oracle games happen before or after Link's Awakening (which AST is confirmed to happen concurrently with), but I believe either option is explainable. If the Oracle games happen before LA/AST, then Twinrova's botched ritual could potentially explain how Ganon's body and soul became separated in the first place, with the latter being forced to survive off of Malice while the former gets sealed away. If the Oracle games happen after AL/AST, then it's possible that Ganon's soul being defeated in AST is the real reason that Ganon is mindless in the Oracles, instead of it being due to the botched ritual.
Anyways, my point is that AST shouldn't just be immediately dismissed as non-canon, so that brings me back to the question of why this game's "Hero of Light" can wield the Master Sword, and the answer is simple: Ganon was on the brink of returning and Link wasn't available, so Fi made an exception for this pure-hearted kid full of light and let them use the sword during an emergency despite not possessing the Spirit of the Hero. And besides, as you've shown, less virtuous characters have already been shown to handle the blade as well, so by comparison, a genuine hero who just happens to not be Link for once shouldn't be a deal breaker.
I think you're right - it's more about being a hero than about being Link. Link just happens to always be a hero ha.
@@LittleBeanGreen That reminds me of a part near the end of the ALttP manga, where Link is tricked into nearly killing one of his friends because Agahnim transformed her into a monster, and when he realizes what happened, it's the last straw. Between this, and Agahnim being the one who indirectly killed his parents and DIRECTLY killed his Uncle, Link's heart becomes SO full of sheer hatred towards Agahnim that the Dark World begins turning him into a beast himself, making him temporarily unfit to wield the Master Sword until Zelda shows up and calms him down, undoing the transformation.
So yeah, even Link isn't always automatically good enough to meet the Master Sword's high standards (which is further backed up by it sealing him away for 7 years because it thought he was too young). Though it's worth noting that there's a part in Hyrule Warriors where the strength that Link gains from the Master Sword is so great that it causes him to start becoming arrogant, to the degree that said arrogance even manifests as that game's Dark Link. However this is apparently not enough to warrant him becoming unfit to wield the blade, so I guess arrogance strong enough to make a dark clone is okay, but getting angry at someone evil for doing evil things makes you just as evil in the eyes of the blade lol.
Oh also, I just found out that the Master Sword was also in the Anniversary Edition of Four Swords on DSi/3DS, but that particular appearance is definitely non-canon because you get it from a blatantly non-canon bonus level that clearly only exists as fanservice. Plus, Link still uses it to split into Four, making it not much more than a skin for the Four Sword that lets it shoot beams.
@@Luigifan305 I think what we can take away is that it's inconsistent ha.
@@LittleBeanGreen Yep lol. Like for example, it deems the Hero of Time too young when he's 9 years old, so it seals him away until he's 16, which does line up with how old most other Links are when THEY wield it. However, there's one big exception to this supposed age limit, and that's the Hero of Winds obtaining and using it at age 12. Why wasn't HE sealed away for 4 years until the age of 16 like the Hero of Time? And if 12 is good enough, why was the Hero of Time sealed for 4 more years than necessary? Normally this would be a blatant plot hole, but I've got two possible explanations:
A) Because the Master Sword had lost a lot of its power without the Earth and Wind sages, it's possible that it wanted to seal the Hero of Wind away like it did with the Hero of Time, but was incapable of doing so, and by the time that its power was restored, this new Link had proven himself more than capable already.
or B) There's actually a theory that the Master Sword in Wind Waker is a new, SECOND Master Sword, entirely separate from the one seen in every other game. The idea being that if you pay attention to the end of OoT, you'll see that Link still had the Master Sword when he was sent back to the Child Timeline, which would leave the Adult Timeline devoid of having a Master Sword at all, and the Royal Family had to make a new one to replace the one that disappeared. This would explain things like the sword's size and design being drastically different, its placement under Hyrule Castle instead of in the Temple of Time, and the need for the Earth and Wind sages at all, when such roles were never necessary before or since, because they're THE source of this sword's power, and not just 'A' source. And if this is a new sword, then it wouldn't come with Fi, and probably not any of the inherent requirements of the original Master Sword. Even if it did still have the age requirement though, there's no reason that explanation A can't also be in effect at the same time.
4:25 Dark Link is Link's Shadow/Reflection. After you step on the middle platform, your reflection disappears.
Yes, but what does that mean? Does that mean it's the dark/evil parts of Link? If so, why can he touch the blade?
Ghirahim can also take the master sword during the boss rush mode but thats likely an oversight
more than likely although kind of a big one!
Well that's not the real Girahim, it's a mental construct in a mental world constructed by Lanayru out of Link's memories.
@@MrSailing101 Which is why I didn't include that one 😅
Ganondorf has held the Master Sword before, actually. In fact he's still holding it right now, at the bottom of the ocean. With his skull.
the perfect pedestal.
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Gramps is the hero from ALTTP, the math adds up.
Do the math for me.
@@LittleBeanGreen Too lazy to do so. Have a good day sir.
@@voltron77 expertly argued.
@@LittleBeanGreen Make a video discussing the subject, it’ll get you views. The topic of how much time passed in between ALTTP and ALBW is still uncertain so make a video talking about it!
@@voltron77 I think I'd have to play ALBW first ha
4:32 Was I the only one who thought that was just the Master Sword getting Worf'd? It's supposed to be untouchable by evil, so evil managing to touch it only proves how much of a threat they are. That's what I did with Dark Link in my fanfic, at least. Sure, his swordarm is practically boiling, but he's otherwise not even flinching.
I get that it's supposed to show the power of Ganondorf but at the same time you've just broken your own rules, Nintendo. And it isn't even like Ganondorf picked it up and it was negatively affecting him. He degraded and destroyed it...
The reason Ganondorf was able to break the sword was because he attacked it with Shouki, which Din's blessing from SS seemed to not have an immunity to. It took thousands of years of absorbing power from Zelda to gain immunity over Shouki.
I have no idea what Shoki is.
@@LittleBeanGreen It's Gloom. I should have spelled it as "Shouki"
@@Austin-kt7ky Ah. Well. Maybe. Didn't realize Din had such power of what becomes of the Master Sword....
@@LittleBeanGreen Didn't you play Skyward Sword? Watch the cutscene when Din's Flame tempers the blade and read what it says in the text box.
@@Austin-kt7ky I played it in 2011 😅
Personally I'm not bothered about the fact your character held the sword, I'd raise an eyebrow if they started swinging it around but still not a big deal, Zelda is known for breaking its own rules. As for the lore, personally I figured the reason Ganondorf in TotK was able to destroy the Master Sword with gloom was because its power had waned over the years.
According to TotK lore (the only relevant ones being BotW and TotK since every iteration has different lore for the sword), the Master Sword needs to bathe in sacred light to infinitely gain strength. In the memories of BotW, Link used the Master Sword so much that the power decayed to the point the sword also began to decay. 100 years of sacred light allowed it to be useful, but still not the blade of evils bane. I'd say it's as powerful as the WW Master Sword for example. Whether the Trial of the Sword is canon is unknown, but its also possible this power wasn't enough either. Regardless, Ganondorf was able to destroy it in this form due to how weak it had become. It was only after the tens of thousands of years of the sword bathing in the sacred light of the light dragon that it was powerful enough to deal with Ganondorf. This also explains why it can't break at all in the final boss fight!
That's all well in good, but in a TotK cutscene when Link and Zelda return to retrieve the Master Sword again, the Great Deku Tree says, and I quote, "Your blade has been fully restored." Which certainly sounds like it nothing else is required. That doesn't mean it can't be even stronger, but the in-game text makes it seem like it doesn't need to be.
@@LittleBeanGreen That's true, I can only speculate that that's because the legends of all the past games are so far in the distant past that even the Great Deku Tree is unaware of how strong the sword is supposed to be, but that's really hard to stand by with any real confidence.
I'd be really curious to see what the direct translation of the Japanese dialogue is like for TotK. I know that in the past the localisation has butchered the original meaning of dialogue such as Twilight Princess where the localisation implies the Ooccoo created the Hylians. Even in BotW they totally re-contextualised the quest log to be 3rd person descriptions instead of Link's personal notes in 1st person with his own flavour text about different events and even his relationship with Zelda
I do love discussing pedantic Zelda lore, it's a bit ridiculous and not a lot truly makes sense but it's a lot of fun 😅
@@Keanine Yeah but that's not a really satisfying answer 😅
I’ve been going over some crossover ideas and concepts (I’m no story writer and neither do I animate), and to go completely off the Zelda canon (if you’re confused, it matters not. This is just from the brilliant corners of my mind), some characters may be capable to use the Master Sword, but only by the capacity of the power to repel evil WITHOUT Hylia’s blessing. Bear in mind, Hylia’s blessing is what only the hero can obtain with the sword, but anyone having the powers from the Three Sacred Flames is not likely too far-fetched.
I’ve been conceptualizing the idea of a crossover between Team Fortress 2 and Super Smash Bros. in a 3-part miniseries. In the third part, Lucina jumps into a space-displacement portal and accidentally drops her Parallel Falchion in the process. As the portal closes, Link is forced to throw the Master Sword to reach Lucina as he takes her Falchion instead. Now I may not have any knowledge of Fire Emblem: Awakening or the series in general, but Lucina is a likely character to have Power, Wisdom, and Courage in perfect balance, but lacks the blessings of Hylia, so she can repel evil but not truly destroy it.
Another character I have in mind in another separate crossover series idea is Zan Partizanne from Kirby Star Allies. Before any further confusion let me point things out. Zan Partizanne and her sisters, Francisca and Flamberge, all have tear-jerking backgrounds. All underwent environmental disasters that nearly costed them their lives, taken in by Hyness who, before long, suddenly went insane upon the sudden encounter with Void Termina. Long story short: all became corrupted, sealed away for eons, escaped, resumed their dark rituals, only to end up sacrificing themselves, one Void Termina fight later, they’re seemingly irredeemable, only for Kirby to gather enough hearts to instantly reverse the effects done to them, since then, they’ve been in friendly terms. Now for my “crossover” Zan, despite the unpleasant flashbacks, she manages to wield the an altered version of the Master Sword from Toon Link and…
(Well I kinda don’t want to dive too much into details)
Again, it matters not. This is just fan fiction… a more constructive one at least… :l
All the more reason for someone else to wield the sword ;)
In the non-canon aLttP sequel, Ancient Stone Tablets, you do get a pure-hearted hero from another world lift the sword from the pedestal and wield it.
However, they do need the Titan's Mitts to be able to, so they may be "less accepted" by it. Also unlike in aLttP, it's already in its fully-powered form.
It can tell good-hearted people apart. Zelda probably could outright wield it without any proof.
The symbols also I always understood more of an extra lock on the sword than its choice.
TotK destroying it feels more like, Ganon's power got so strong it broke through the specifically-anti-ganon power.
The Oracle games... are weird. There's, potentially two swords called "Master Sword". One is potentially in a pedestal in some secret woods in Holodrum... And the other is more interesting, it's a rusted old sword found ashore in an island in the middle of a cursed ocean that may have involved some centuries of time travel shenanigans.
While the first one is unlikely to be the real thing, I wonder if the second one could be an instance of the Master Sword abandoned through timelines.
Then again these games are also weird even about if they're aLttP sequels or not.
I still find it weird that a sword built to be evil's bane can be destroyed if evil becomes too....evil.
@@LittleBeanGreen not only that, but it's consistently shown to be never enough on its own.
It's like, it can cut, repel and harm evil more, which it does and is remarkable! ... and in-universe people take that as "it can totally win instantly against all evil!" and then often Link tries and loses.
Another interesting thing is that, the unpowered Master Sword, the Master Sword at its default... *is not enough to even hurt Ganon at all, in aLttP.*
If you just merely slash at him it just does simply no damage. Like it takes charging it with your own power at least to do minimal damage to him. Only by powering it up you can fight. (And of course, even *that* is also never enough to kill Ganon anyways.)
Let alone Agahnim too who not only isn't hurt at all by the sword itself, but "his evil power is so great" that if you try he just takes advantage you're holding a metal pole and *electrocutes you.*
All this in the game that introduces the master sword, that calls it the blade of evil's bane. That tells of how grandiose it is and... it's not enough. Not even its fully powered form is enough.
So basically it's more that the Master Sword simply... isn't actualy that powerful. It *can* cut, repel, and harm evil, it can attack and cut through something immaterial no other weapon can, but it's only that.
I think what it actually is is wildly inconsistent.
@@LittleBeanGreen Like, it's not even just "evil" as an abstract, it's especifically the kind of evil Demise is. It's specifically a Ganon-killing sword... And it alone is very much not enough.
Like it says enough in the introduction game people are like "if you get this thing we'll all be saved! it's going to Kill the Wizard!" and then immediately Sahasrahla is like "oh. oh no. the evil's bane sword? we messed up. yes it cut the barrier. no it won't cut the person."
Everyone overestimates the Master Sword wildly all the time. I don't think there's a single game where it lives up to people's expectations.
@@harukaze7388 OoT?
@@LittleBeanGreen Thinking about it, nobody really talks much about the Master Sword as a weapon in OoT...? Mostly that pulling it helped Ganondorf ruin everything.
They mention "blade of evil's bane" a few times but then turns out the weapon needed to kill him is the Light Arrows which, revealing also ends up giving Zelda away.
@@harukaze7388 Although the final blow that allows him to be sealed is from the Master Sword
I am with you on this because technically Its got to touch evil to know evil and how kill evil if no touch evil and I do think "evil cannot touch the sword" is true because I believe it to mean evil cannot touch the power inside the sword because we know the sword can be touched and worse break but after a long time and in the best conditions is fixed and more powerful so evil can break but not destroy.
That's a good way to put it - evil does not have access to the power within the sword.
gramps from ALBTW is a link if I am not mistaken.
So some say - but apparently something like 6 generations have passed, which makes me a little suspicious.
This is one of those things I'd be interested to know what the Japanese text says. There's been a lot of things lost in translation from the original Japanese text. And then I'd also be interested in an analysis of any contradictions in the Japanese text.
I'll have to find someone who knows and is good at translating Japanese.
Ganondorf in totk was just too powerful and the sword was weak.
You're gonna tell me that the dessicated Gerudo that dried out under the the castle for thousands of years is more powerful than a sword the Deku Tree calls 'fully restored?'
@@LittleBeanGreen Yes, his gloom has been growing for thousands of years and ganon’s malice was shown to damage the blade. Also, this is the version of the sword that isn’t fully upgraded with the trials of the sword as it isn’t constantly glowing.
@@voltron77 So what does "your blade is fully restored" mean?
@@LittleBeanGreen I don’t seem to understand.
@@voltron77 I've never played it. If I was going to make a REAL case for the time difference, I'd want to know all the in-game references to it.
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People are wholesale pushing their presumptions that it's like Thor's hammer or the timeline is like MCU multiverse because they can't mentally separate IP's, just force ideas that are painstakingly stuck in their mass-marketed brains.
Fans are not doing okay. Like they just can't handle that one fantasy works like this and another like that, it can only be like Marvel and DC which are basically just IP swap copypaste of each other.
They can't and won't actually just read and take in a NEW story where the meaning and plot is different, they NEED Master Sword to be like a superpower.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 And clearly what it can do changes. That's all I'm saying.
Ohh, this is some pedantic nerdy shit so I will answer your pedantry with mine.
The examples are pretty wack ngl. If we count gameplay as canon then Link canonically destroys every pot he sees and has the powers to stop time to shift through his items. Dark Link/ the Old Man, the smiths and fairy are either non canonical depictions for gameplay or are never actually seen touching the sword directly.
No one but Link and Zelda are canonically shown holding the sword. Plus you even show how it can suck up life energy from people it decides are unworthy of using it. So having some bad guy hold it would be a blatant contradiction.
That being said you can probably write around it by having some monsters shove it into some anti-magic containment but die in the process and the evil guy then picks up that. Or have mr. evil guy encase it in a magic bubble/ice so he doesn't directly touch it or something idk I'm not Tolkien but at least it won't be as blatant of a contradiction.
Pedant recognize pedant!
Except for the fact that there is much stated about how the Master Sword repels evil, yet Ganondorf still destroys it in TotK, even after the Great Deku Tree says it is fully restored. Also, I believe that there are characters that get mad at Link...kick him out? Or make him pay for breaking pots in their house. And I do show that it sucks up life energy from Link, but he doesn't lose life because he's wielding it. He loses life because he's pulling it. Once it's already pulled, it's never shown taking life energy from anyone.
I think it's less of a blatant contradiction to have a bad guy hold it once it's already been pulled than to say that evil cannot touch it, then have gloom destroy it.
@@LittleBeanGreen *puts on nerdy glasses*
Yes, its purpose is to seal and destroy evil however that does not make it all powerful. It evidently needs to be recharged from time to time and kept in shape through prayer or just by resting in its pedastal, so the lore indirectly tells us the Master-Sword has limits and can be overpowered. The Deku Tree referring to the MS as being at full power is a slight misinterpretation of that scene. He goes on to say in that scene that the MS can get stronger by absorbing holy powers and that the stronger the power it absorbs the stronger the sword will end up. This very clearly tells us that the sword is not at "full" power as in at its most powerful state and merely restored to it's "default" strength. Going by that, the MS clearly has limits and restrictions, making it not contradictory that enough power could overpower it. It was even shown to have happened in during the Calamity in BotW. The MS has sustained damage during certain cutscenes since it was fighting Ganon's Guardians (so making direct contact with Malice-soaked beings) for an extended period of time without rest. Afte Link gets mortally wounded this weakened Master-Sword gets taken to it's pedastal to recover. After Link takes it back 100 later it has still not realized it's "default" strength given that it can be further powered up through certain conditions (Trial of the Sword or being around Malice).
The MS is anti-evil but it is not limitless. However the ability to reject certain wielders has not (yet) been shown to fail. Those are two distinct abilities that are not neccessarily powerd by the same mechanic, since it's implied the chosing progress goes through Fi while the power to defeat evil of the MS depends on much more factors.
While it is true to get certain reactions from NPCs they can't be reasonably assumed to be canon or by that logic Link "canonically" dies against a Bokoblin in the first 5 minutes of BotW.
Why would it pull energy from anyone when it's never canonically been shown being wielded by someone who isn't chosen? The smiths and fairy are not directly, clearly shown holding the sword. Even if we go so far as to show that they did indeed hold it in their hands it would not prove that evil can hold it. There is a world of difference between Link giving it to someone willingly (and presumably Fi trusting him enough to let it happen) and it being actually being wielded by someone with ill intent. Plus to further disprove your Dark Link/ Old Man point, they are clearly not canonical/ for gameplay only or do you want to tell me that two (or even three) seperate MSs exist at the same time withoout any time travel shenanigans? Cap (of the Wild).
But again the LoZ rarely deals in absolutes, so you could probably find a way to write around an evil guy touching the sword through some magic shenanigans.
@@PrimalScrub To me, fully restored means "it can do what it was created to do," i.e., be the sword of evil's bane. Because it can get stronger does not take away from the fact that it can be as strong as it needs to be when it's "fully restored."
Why can't a reaction from an NPC based on the actions of the player character be assumed to be canon?
Again, I'm not talking about it pulling energy from being held, I'm talking about it pulling energy from being pulled. In SS, when Link has the Goddess Sword, you can see the Master Sword in the Temple of Time. Zelda also apparently had the Master Sword in her head while the entirty of BotW happened - there is clearly a precedent for multiple swords clearly because of time travel shenanigans.
You don't have to find a way to write around it because there is a world of different between holding it and wielding it (see CaptBurgerson's comment below? above?)
@@LittleBeanGreen I was telling you that the MS has limits. Things it cannot do with its normal everyday "full" power. So it stands to reason that a power greater than the MS can overpower it's abilty to smite evil. Think of it like a fire extinquisher. You can easily use one to put out small fires, but you're not gonna use one to put out a forest fire. Pretty simple concept. We can like it or not, but Ganon overpowering the MS is not a direct break from canon since it had clear limits in its evil smiting ability for over 20 years now.
Because with video games the gameplay and what's canon are usually seperated. Gameplay is interactive and there are billions of possibilities of what could happen in it, so most game franchises only take very broad stroaks of gameplay as canon such as main story objectives or boss battles. That's how people have seen video game canon for decades. For example for years people argued about the Fierce Deitiy Mask in MM. Wether Link collected it or if it was even a canonical item to begin with and not just something inserted for the player's enjoyment (like some easter eggs/ crossover items often are). But then Hyrule Historia did indeed proclaim that it is an actual item, but that Link also canonically used it to defeat Majora. Again if we can take gameplay shit as canon then Link dies. A lot. And yes NPC reactions are generally non canonical since they react to your gameplay, also often in ways that canonically Link wouldn't do. Or is LInk canonically an arsonist who tries to behead NPCs and crucify Koroks? No, he is not. He is (in BotW/ TotK for example) a stoic sometimes goofy, but always helpful individual based on what other characters say and write about him and from what we can gleam in cutscenes.
I think you misunderstood my point or are you unironically supporting the arguement that three seperate MSs exist at the same time being wielded by different characters in a game that has NO relations with time travel?
The Dark Link/ Old Man are not canon examples of others holding the MS because it is so obviously breaking the worlds rules.
See, that would be an arguement if that was actually what happened. No Bokoblin picked up the blade. It was swept aside by the pressure of the volcanic eruption and got stuck in a rock. Every item the Bokoblins stole from Link was stored in chests in enemy camps, except the MS. That was stuck in the ground in part of the volcano blocked of by huge rocks that have to be blown up first. Fi also makes no comment on being touched, let alone being by carried away by monsters. I mean come on, there is a reason the MS has ben shown damaged and breaking in cutscenes, but NO cutscene has shown someone other than Link and Zelda wield it. That isn't a coincidence. And yes, the Zelda team doesn't give a flying fuck and will probably break that rule in the future to make things convenient for them, but I still stand by the fact that if I had to put my nerdy glasses on and forgo my ability to have fun it would indeed be a break (or at least a stretch) from what is currently established as canon.
I mean, you don't HAVE to write around anything. It's a fan work, most people don't expect them to be 100% canon adjacent unless it makes some ridiculious breaks from canon and, hell, sometimes the deviance from canon is just what's fun about it. So just do what you wanna do.
While I enjoyed the video, I wish you had gone over with more depth the sword's more direct interactions with evil powers and the mechanics and reasoning behind its behavior, rather than simply justifying your story decision. I think that would have made for a more interesting and tasteful video. Perhaps your channel is not as theory-oriented.
I'm not sure I "simply justified the story decision." As I mentioned, the blade's powers seem rather inconsistent, but it is no stranger to interacting with other people. In the interest of not beating a dead horse, I summarized why I thought this was: because only the one who pulls it has complete mastery over it. But that doesn't keep it from being a sword that can still be handled by others.
Hmm its almost as if the reason evil can touch the sword in totk is because there is something with the "link" of the wild, its not supposed to hurt or take that much effort to pull the sword for someone with the spirit of the hero, someone with the spirit of the hero should be left handed in a non motion controlled game, someone with the spirit of the hero should wear green, someone with the spirit of the hero shouldn't be so weak that the master sword can lose its power while he's wielding it twice. It's almost as if a sword has now power unless the hand who wields it has courage and the era of the wild link is a weak birch without the spirit of the hero
Hm interesting - I'm not sure he should be capable of pulling it then. Seems like more of a Master Sword problem. WHY DOES IT NEED TO RECHARGE SO MUCH.
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I don't think this operates like Mjolnir.
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