I put a Mirco-air Easy start on my 4 Ton Goodman Heat Pump single 6000XP is able to run it without a problem. The wattage is around 4500-5300 depending no how hot it is outside not much left over for anything else. Probably going to buy another 6000XP and another 14.5KW battery bank. I'm using a Protran2 transfer switch I can control which circuits are on grid what isn't. I plan on installing a 2nd protran to switch more circuits also. Without the soft start pulls 112 amps with the easy start pulls 30 amps to start up.
Great video Ray. I was considering the 6000XP as well for my first install. I was a little disappointed with the voltage sag issue you are experiencing as I am sure you are. You mentioned that you plan to try a different inverter. Would you mind sharing what other inverter you are considering?
Another good video Ray. Your system is getting more elaborate as it grows. I have the same system as you to power my shop and was considering adding another 6000xp. Thanks for showing how you did it.
Love the new video Ray I am about to purchase a EG4 six slot server rack battery cabinet and I want to support the channel but I really don’t understand how the affiliate link works ( I’m not to savvy with these things ) so if you can help I really appreciate it. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍
I have a full server rack and two EG4 6000XP's, any questions feel free to ask. Mine works great, I run window unit A/C's and I have 75% SOC each morning.
Thanks! All you do is click on any of the links in the description, and then navigate to the batteries you want to purchase. I think the click will last for 7 days. If you click on any of the links and then decide you want to order over the phone. It should still give me credit so that would be fine as well...I think. Remember to email me your order number and I will send you something. Also, there is a discount code that will save you $50. You will love those batteries! Thanks for your support!
I'm not understanding why the lights dim? How big is the AC unit that is starting? How well balanced are the 2 lines in the breaker panel? Thanks for the video.
I think it will dim will happen with any inverter I install. I think I just need to install a soft start on my 3 ton AC unit. However the dimming doesn't really bother me. Some people say their lights dim with their ac starting even with they are connected to the grid.
Your dad is so good at fixing things .................................................................................................... HIs motto should be if ain't broken I can still fix it.
Without any galvanic isolation between these high frequency inverter's DC boost stage and their AC output, you run the risk of damaging your AC appliances. I would never use one of these low cost high frequency, transformerless inverters to power my home's appliances. Any money you save up front, will be lost by damaging your home's appliances.
Many disagree with this opinion. Here's a good discussion on the subject of High Frequency inverters(transformerless) and Low frequency inverters(with a transformer): diysolarforum.com/threads/high-frequency-vs-low-frequency-inverter-does-it-matter.44978/
I am afraid to say that the GRID will always trump Solar with Surges. There may be issues with the wire size feeding the AC units. A soft start will help smooth the rush but at $300 plus is almost a deal breaker for me.
you probably know by now that you need the soft start if you want the lights to stop dimming. I'm on grid power and my lights dim when the ac comes on.
Ray, is it recommended that each inverter AC out be directed to two separate breakers in the panel? I realize with the interlock kit that would not be feasible. Not sure if you measured the inrush on the 3 ton AC. Not sure why one would be reluctant to put in a soft start and that cost is a lot lower than a second inverter.
Ray, enjoying watching your channel evolve and the content you're putting together. Long or not, details are always good, so is seeing how other people are doing things. Working on my own dual inverter system at the moment, though not with EG4 gear. Kind of wish I'd used the power distribution blocks, I put in a small combiner panel but I'm not sure that was entirely necessary. Looking forward to whatever you've got next. Need to see if there's something I 'need' from your list, I'd love to help you make space by ... relocating the Ruixu batteries. :-)
The electrical is the most daunting to me as every DIY job I do there is always collateral damage to myself. Never had an electrical issue because I have avoided doing any real serious electrical work. No risk it no biscuit and so I will undertake 2 solar installs regardless in the near future. Good video and detailed hook ups are what I am looking for. 👍🏻
I know you said that you did not want to install the "Soft Start", but to eliminate the momentary dimming of the lights you really may not have a choice. I believe even adding as second battery you will still have the dimming issue. From a Grid point of view, as I have not completed installing my EG4 6000XP and EG4 outside 14.3kW battery yet, I can say that installing the Micro-Air Soft Start eliminated my dimming while on Grid power. My "Inrush" current dropped from 94 Amps to 24 Amps and the dimming is no longer noticeable (per the wife). The HVAC definitely sounds different at startup and you can tell the difference in how the compressor starts, it is no longer a hard thunk. I can hear my neighbors HVAC systems starting up and there is a BIG difference. I believe that I may have convinced them to purchase the Soft Start on theirs. My HVAC is 20 years old this year and with the Soft Start I hope to get a few more years out of it. Just install the Soft Start. Have a GREAT day!
Cool. Thanks for the feedback. I think you may be correct. I think no matter what system I put in place may still have the dimming issue. I think I'm going to try it this one more inverter and if that doesn't fix it I'll put the soft start in
@@diySolarPowerFunWithRay I doubt very much that the 3rd inverter will do anything for the dimming as it is a load issue on the battery. If you have another battery somewhere I would try that as it would have a buffering effect the initial load (voltage drop at the battery side) on the battery.
Your Amazon link to the OHLECTRIC taps are not actual Polaris connectors which are made by NSI Industries. Those OHLECTRIC taps not UL listed they might work but do you really want to put all those amps through a clone to save a few bucks? I buy them from Home Depot 100% sure they are UL listed products not a clone.
Yay first comment . Love your videos man I’ve really been looking forward into installing this in an off grid home but I was wondering .. if I had x10 450watt panels would it still charge my battery to 100% if I’m only using around 15amps ? 🤔 please advise me thank you
Great video, few questions. Shouldn’t you have 2awg going from Polaris connectors to terminal blocks then keep 6awg going to both inverters grid inputs? Also would have the same in reverse inverter load using 6awg to the terminal block and 2awg to your interlock breaker. Personally I would have a small breaker box with two 50amp breakers in between Polaris connector and inverter instead of terminal blocks. You have no way to isolate the grid connection without turning off your main disconnect outside. Just something to consider.
@@thejadeowlforge8779 You'll make about 23kwh a day with that much PV panels. Your 15amp load at 240v would run for about 6 hours if it had access to 23kwh in a battery. You need more PV panels. Rule of thumb is to multiply your array size by 5 hours. So if you have a 4,500w array then multiply it by 5 to get your daily kwh. Only relying on 5 hours of good sunshine a day is an average that includes the winter time and cloudy days.
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I put a Mirco-air Easy start on my 4 Ton Goodman Heat Pump single 6000XP is able to run it without a problem. The wattage is around 4500-5300 depending no how hot it is outside not much left over for anything else. Probably going to buy another 6000XP and another 14.5KW battery bank. I'm using a Protran2 transfer switch I can control which circuits are on grid what isn't. I plan on installing a 2nd protran to switch more circuits also. Without the soft start pulls 112 amps with the easy start pulls 30 amps to start up.
It looks even better with two of them! 😎 Seriously though, what a nice, clean install man. Nice job!
Thanks! 👍
You could consider power factor corrector also to try to fix some of these issues. That might stop the dimming.
Great video Ray. I was considering the 6000XP as well for my first install. I was a little disappointed with the voltage sag issue you are experiencing as I am sure you are. You mentioned that you plan to try a different inverter. Would you mind sharing what other inverter you are considering?
What's green, has six legs and would kill you if it fell out of a tree?
A billiard table.
Lol, Yup!
How do you know this joke is a dad joke?
When it became apparent!
@@josephvetter7085 nice :)
Another good video Ray. Your system is getting more elaborate as it grows.
I have the same system as you to power my shop and was considering adding another 6000xp.
Thanks for showing how you did it.
can u do work in anything but a button up shirt.... a lil weird
sick setup though!!:)
Love the new video Ray I am about to purchase a EG4 six slot server rack battery cabinet and I want to support the channel but I really don’t understand how the affiliate link works ( I’m not to savvy with these things ) so if you can help I really appreciate it. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍
I have a full server rack and two EG4 6000XP's, any questions feel free to ask. Mine works great, I run window unit A/C's and I have 75% SOC each morning.
Thanks! All you do is click on any of the links in the description, and then navigate to the batteries you want to purchase. I think the click will last for 7 days.
If you click on any of the links and then decide you want to order over the phone. It should still give me credit so that would be fine as well...I think.
Remember to email me your order number and I will send you something. Also, there is a discount code that will save you $50.
You will love those batteries! Thanks for your support!
@@daddio7249 thank you I will I’m in the process of building my solar pergola I also have the 6000 XP 👍👍👍
It will be interesting to see the wiring setup for both inverters and 2 batteries.
Get different LEDs it fixed my blinking.
I'm not understanding why the lights dim? How big is the AC unit that is starting? How well balanced are the 2 lines in the breaker panel? Thanks for the video.
I think it will dim will happen with any inverter I install. I think I just need to install a soft start on my 3 ton AC unit. However the dimming doesn't really bother me. Some people say their lights dim with their ac starting even with they are connected to the grid.
Your dad is so good at fixing things .................................................................................................... HIs motto should be if ain't broken I can still fix it.
Without any galvanic isolation between these high frequency inverter's DC boost stage and their AC output, you run the risk of damaging your AC appliances. I would never use one of these low cost high frequency, transformerless inverters to power my home's appliances. Any money you save up front, will be lost by damaging your home's appliances.
Many disagree with this opinion. Here's a good discussion on the subject of High Frequency inverters(transformerless) and Low frequency inverters(with a transformer): diysolarforum.com/threads/high-frequency-vs-low-frequency-inverter-does-it-matter.44978/
How long will the b280amp battery on the wall connected to the EG4 6000xp last you
Depends on what you're powering.
I am afraid to say that the GRID will always trump Solar with Surges. There may be issues with the wire size feeding the AC units. A soft start will help smooth the rush but at $300 plus is almost a deal breaker for me.
Yeah that's kind of what I'm thinking
All in the pursuit of the elusive FREE electricity. How much has he spent so far?
It is mainly to ensure I have power when the power goes out. The free electricity is just a bonus :)
What is that Bus bar thing inside of your raceway box that you are using for your AC distro to your two inveters?
They are two power distribution blocks. During the install I show the part number.
you probably know by now that you need the soft start if you want the lights to stop dimming. I'm on grid power and my lights dim when the ac comes on.
Ray, is it recommended that each inverter AC out be directed to two separate breakers in the panel? I realize with the interlock kit that would not be feasible.
Not sure if you measured the inrush on the 3 ton AC. Not sure why one would be reluctant to put in a soft start and that cost is a lot lower than a second inverter.
I needed the 2inverter anyways.... So I thought I'd try it without the soft start first. The dimming doesn't bother me though.
I thought the NEC code on the PV wire is to have encased in metallic conduit to within 3’ of the termination
In the video just before this one I reference the NEC section. I can't remember where it is off hand. Thanks!
Addictive, right?
Great video
Thank You
Scat
Ray, enjoying watching your channel evolve and the content you're putting together. Long or not, details are always good, so is seeing how other people are doing things. Working on my own dual inverter system at the moment, though not with EG4 gear. Kind of wish I'd used the power distribution blocks, I put in a small combiner panel but I'm not sure that was entirely necessary.
Looking forward to whatever you've got next. Need to see if there's something I 'need' from your list, I'd love to help you make space by ... relocating the Ruixu batteries. :-)
Thanks, I need to figure out how to give those away. Shipping is going to be pretty pricey I think.
The electrical is the most daunting to me as every DIY job I do there is always collateral damage to myself. Never had an electrical issue because I have avoided doing any real serious electrical work. No risk it no biscuit and so I will undertake 2 solar installs regardless in the near future. Good video and detailed hook ups are what I am looking for. 👍🏻
Thanks, I would definitely hire an electrician to install it. It wouldn't take him that long if you told him what you are envisioning
I'm curious. What is the recommendation for a soft start and will you be making a video?
If I add one I will definitely make a video. I haven't looked into them too much yet.
Just the video I was looking for. Thanks!
Thank you!
I know you said that you did not want to install the "Soft Start", but to eliminate the momentary dimming of the lights you really may not have a choice. I believe even adding as second battery you will still have the dimming issue. From a Grid point of view, as I have not completed installing my EG4 6000XP and EG4 outside 14.3kW battery yet, I can say that installing the Micro-Air Soft Start eliminated my dimming while on Grid power. My "Inrush" current dropped from 94 Amps to 24 Amps and the dimming is no longer noticeable (per the wife). The HVAC definitely sounds different at startup and you can tell the difference in how the compressor starts, it is no longer a hard thunk. I can hear my neighbors HVAC systems starting up and there is a BIG difference. I believe that I may have convinced them to purchase the Soft Start on theirs. My HVAC is 20 years old this year and with the Soft Start I hope to get a few more years out of it. Just install the Soft Start. Have a GREAT day!
Cool. Thanks for the feedback. I think you may be correct. I think no matter what system I put in place may still have the dimming issue. I think I'm going to try it this one more inverter and if that doesn't fix it I'll put the soft start in
@@diySolarPowerFunWithRay I doubt very much that the 3rd inverter will do anything for the dimming as it is a load issue on the battery. If you have another battery somewhere I would try that as it would have a buffering effect the initial load (voltage drop at the battery side) on the battery.
@donaldhoudek2889 ah.. yeah, that battery is pretty small.
You are installing your system outside. How do you protect your system from rain and heat?
You are installing your system outside. How do you protect your system from rain and heat?
Your Amazon link to the OHLECTRIC taps are not actual Polaris connectors which are made by NSI Industries. Those OHLECTRIC taps not UL listed they might work but do you really want to put all those amps through a clone to save a few bucks? I buy them from Home Depot 100% sure they are UL listed products not a clone.
Thank you, I think I was having a hard time finding them on amazon.
Yay first comment . Love your videos man I’ve really been looking forward into installing this in an off grid home but I was wondering .. if I had x10 450watt panels would it still charge my battery to 100% if I’m only using around 15amps ? 🤔 please advise me thank you
Hmmm...Your off-grid house is using a constant 15 amps? At 120 volts ac?
@@diySolarPowerFunWithRay it would be 240v
Great video, few questions. Shouldn’t you have 2awg going from Polaris connectors to terminal blocks then keep 6awg going to both inverters grid inputs? Also would have the same in reverse inverter load using 6awg to the terminal block and 2awg to your interlock breaker.
Personally I would have a small breaker box with two 50amp breakers in between Polaris connector and inverter instead of terminal blocks. You have no way to isolate the grid connection without turning off your main disconnect outside. Just something to consider.
@@thejadeowlforge8779 You'll make about 23kwh a day with that much PV panels. Your 15amp load at 240v would run for about 6 hours if it had access to 23kwh in a battery. You need more PV panels. Rule of thumb is to multiply your array size by 5 hours. So if you have a 4,500w array then multiply it by 5 to get your daily kwh. Only relying on 5 hours of good sunshine a day is an average that includes the winter time and cloudy days.
@@cgutowski471There is a reason why he is doing it this way instead. He mentioned it on other video posts.
Clear as mud.