It genuinely hurts my heart to read people in this comment section supporting these conspiracy theories. Here is this excellent video - informative, well researched and cited, easy to understand... and here people are, persisting in their misunderstandings and faulty reasoning. I worry for humanity, and what will happen if we don't prioritize critical thinking, rationality, and scientific literacy in education.
It is possible for a stone wall to collapse from the inside out, but I don't think that is what we see here in the Mayan buildings. One way to construct a drystone wall (I've done this in England) is two layers of 'good' stones on the outside, with a fill of rubble in between. On top you want a layer of capstones to keep the rain out. If rain gets in and then freezes it will slowly break down the rubble fill, until eventually the wall can collapse inwards. To rebuild the wall you can often reuse the outer stones, you just need to replace then rubble fill as you rebuild the wall. The freezing bit probably doesn't apply at the Mayan sites, but I thought I'd mention it.
This is how a lot of standard brickwork was done in some more modern times. A hollow wall of nice bricks filled in with whatever was on hand from brick fragments to stone fragments to sometimes chunks of wood. Whatever would fit. And then filled in with some kind of slurry. As some of our older buildings have fallen to ruin, you can see this in the foundations and sometimes between where two buildings had been built close together. Fill is cheap, nice blocks aren't.
@@GroberWeisenstein Rain isn't necessarily a problem (though it all is eventually). Mainly it's the freezing water will run into capillaries in the rocks and freeze there. Eventually the rubble infill is just dirt and has no supporting strength. A well constructed wall keeps the rain on the outside, a poorly constructed one lets it in.
It's a shame that so many people refuse to give credit to these ancient civilizations and their beautiful work. Actual ancient history is so fascinating. It doesn't need extra fake fluff to make it so. Another great video!
The legend associated with how it got that name is pretty bonkers, too. I live in Guatemala (never been to Uxmal, but Tikal, yes) and this is actually the first time I've heard of it so I had to look it up. PS: This Foerster guy is kind of a buffoon
As a Latin American Studies graduate who had a minor interest in Archaeology, I want to THANK YOU for making this video. People who misinterpret Mayan structures make me red in the face w/ anger...
I think this guy genuinely believes his ideas. I found it funny that a stonewall that he referred to as "Inca repair work" was actually done very recently as there was an old photograph of the wall without that stonework.
@@mnomadvfx what you say is most likely the case because the majority of these grifter's do not believe what they say. I have to say, he does come across as somebody that does believe in his own BS.
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No offence to this guy's followers but if I was on a tour and the tour guide opened with "this is the Pyramid of the Wizards, I don't know why they call it that" I don't think I'd be impressed.
Just wanna say as someone of native decent (not mesoamerican specifically but still) I am so sick of everyone trying to take credit for the accomplishments of my ancestors and their neighbors. As a kid I yearned to learn as much as I could about my ancestors’ forgotten history and their traditions, just to be told “actually white people did that” it’s so infuriating!
I had it hit me, as an archaeology student, how disturbing it must be for Native people knowing how their ancestors were killed by white people to then watch white people come along later asking "how did all of this end up this way?" "who were the builders?" etc. and then be like, "we must find out, we must dig it up." It made me reconsider my field direction. I don't want to dig up people's grandparents looking for answers. How messed up is it for white people to go killing them in the first place but then also to come along digging everybody up, thinking they can find answers and interpreting someone else's culture? It seems like hubris. Maybe if people's grandparents hadn't been massacred there'd be a lot more answers. I think Native people have suffered enough and it's really not some other culture's place to go digging around and interpreting the history of the Native people. That's where I'm at with it.
@@WildAlchemicalSpirit But most pre-columbian archaeology is made by locals who became archaeologists, is it not? Archaeology is not hubris, is science. It helps us all better understand the past and it would be a pity to ignore it. I can understand the problem for the small native american communities who want their graves left alone, but for large civilizations, like the Inca and Maya, where is the controversy? If anything, it's insulting to the locals to propose their ancestors were too primitive to create the ruins remaining, like Forester and his conmen friends are doing.
Just to clarify, as someone of NA descent as well, and having watched multiple videos challenging the conventional wisdom of who built various structures throughout the America's, I haven't come across any that suggest Caucasians were the actual builders. What is most common, is the suggestion that earlier native cultures performed what appears to be more refined work. This is particularly common with Peruvian sites like Sacsayhuaman or Macchu Picchu. Recently I met a man from Peru and was speaking to him about some of those sites. He told me many people in Peru believe aliens were involved in some of the more detailed building work. Not necessarily performing the work, but giving knowledge to the locals. Particularly the Nazca. I thought he was joking but he was totally serious.
@@unrealuknow864 I’ve seen it, it is very rare nowadays and I tend to see it more with obscure tribes that don’t really have a voice. The people who spew it now tend to not be taken seriously but I know I’ve seen people claim caucains built the mounds in Virginia I believe it was (sorry if I’m getting it wrong). My mother in law also believes that “tall light skinned red haired giants built the monolithic structures in America because native people too dumb” which to me just sounded like some back handed way of saying white people did it. I also know she’s subbed to youtubers who spew that
@@WildAlchemicalSpirit I get what you mean. And digging up old remains has bothered me for years. That being said, the ones who stole native land to begin with are all dead now. And modern archaeologists may or may not have ancestors who conquered. More recent immigrant families had nothing to do with it. Some ppl today descend from the ones who colonized/mass murdered and so forth, while some have no connections at all. So, I try and not generalize too much about such things. That being said, i do find it troubling to see ancient remains dug out of where they were ceremonially laid. Something about it just feels off to me. I'd love it if we had more non-invasive technological ways of examining what's buried.
There will always be people of lower brain function and closed minds. Just like the flat earthers who can't comprehend there's a lot more than just what you can see, a round earth and hundreds of thousands of people including NASA are not out to deceive us, but actually exploring possibilities.. people who call themselves historians like this douche don't know history, they assume history. Blind following the blind.
I love a good charletan, but this forrester guys a real honk-shoe. Snoooze fest. If youre gonna do tours about fake archeology, you gotta spice it up a bit. Put a little zazz in there. Throw up some jazz hands. The other people who do these kinds of things are like "this bowl could be part of a levitation array used to carry large megaliths with very little effort. And these holes were obviously made by laser beams powered by subterranian water pressure and piezo electricity. Did you notice this massive box? Its the perfect dimentions and materials to act as a battery." Old timey Carnivals did it right. If youre gonna lie to someone, you gotta give them a good show.
Only fools get fooled. The people who are fooled by fairytales are generally low IQ and wouldn't contribute to research anyway. Let them believe in fairytales, it literally changed nothing of importance for the field lol
Happy to find your site. Foerster came to Central America and Mexico after several years milking Peru and the Inka. His claims struck me as ill-founded and I called him on it. He presents himself as a "scientist" but when i asked where and when his works had been published and peer reviewed he had no answer. When he again stated "i am a scientist" i replied "i thought you were a tour guide. He withdrew.
There is a site close to a live of petroglyphs and I was very interested how the were made and read a study and tried recreating one myself. The process was as easy as finding a piece of granite with a sharp point and using it to smash a design into a outcropping of marble. Shaping a soft stone with a hard stone is just time and effort.
I don’t know... I recently went to Washington D.C. and I saw a really tall stone monolith. The building stones were so close together, it was so tall, and even had flashing lights at the top that could be seen at nighttime. Naturally I assumed that a highly advanced ancient civilization MUST have built it in Egypt some 13 to 20,000 years ago, and somehow transported it here. No, I didn't even think to research it - I like my story better.
Thanks for great video. I wonder how much Foerster is actually invested in his beliefs? They run from lazy to the truly inspired harebrained but have always this kind of fuzzy, ill-defined alt-narrative of ancient cataclysm, lost civilizations, and 'megalithic' culture. He'll throw in the occasional star gate, magnetic anomaly, and New Age-y type of stuff as well with contradictions and nonsensical conclusions at every megalithic turn.
I have a Brien Foerster story. Just out of curiosity I enquired about one of his tours. I received lots of emails from him quoting prices "special permission costs" and what not. As soon as I started asking a few a questions and it became apparent I was not just going to hand over my money....communication stopped. I had no intension of going on a Brien F tour, I just wanted to know what degree he would go to... to get my money. I used to watch him because I like seeing peoples travels around the world, but he just repeats the same thing over and over regardless of where he is. At least he spared us the "energy or resonance in the stones" nonsense in this one. WOA, a very balanced and well researched vid from you as always....CONGRATS on 50k Subs !!!!
In the video below, I had replied to a comment from another viewer to say that there are online examples showing how flint can be used to work granite. Foerster jumped in to challenge me to provide a link. I immediately added a link from Scientists Against Myths. I didn't notice for a while that he had blocked my reply from public view. ua-cam.com/video/-Q1Vv6MK5Es/v-deo.html
@@annascott3542 Yes Anna, I was quoted $6,000 for me and my partner to go on the Egyptian tour. I can't remember if it was a week or ten days. We worked out we could do it for a third of that on our own. So basically people are paying thousands of dollars for the privilege of walking around with Brien Foerster watching him make YT vids...and even more money doing so.
You weren't kidding that he doesn't even know the basics: Trying to assert that the interior structural fill of a building and the outer facing finer brickwork is because of the latter being from an "older civilization" is laughable. You mentioned how this is typical Maya construction, but it's not even that, it's the typical MESOAMERICAN construction process in general: Rough stone and mortar fill, finer outer bricks, then layer of smooth stucco and decoratives like paint, reliefs, sculptures, etc. The idea that the Maya in particular didn't build their structures is funny considering many have inscriptions detailing under what year/ruler they were made! It's also silly because there ARE cases of Mesoamerican civilizations reusing and refurnishing older structures from earlier societies which people could talk about instead, such as the Aztec's renovations of Teotihuacano shrines and the excavations they did in them, bringing back luxary goods into Tenochtitlan, and the working of Teotihuacan into their mythology and adopting it's artistic, architectural., and urban design principals... but since I guess historians and archeologists already attest to that, it's not exotic enough. Anyways, I'm actually pretty interested in those papers you mentioned documenting the development of Mesoamerican construction techniques over time: Obviously techniques changed and would have been iterated on, like Earthen Pyramids are common in the Preclassic/Formative and not the CLassic/Postclassic, but I've never really bothered to read into how what I take for granted as the "standard" construction process I and you both explained was arrived at. Got any specific suggestions for papers beyond what you showed off? (I also didn't know that the fill used softer limestone then the exterior blocks, though I imagine that's not applicable outside of the Maya area, considering that volcanic rock was used for a lot of sites in Central Mexico even with the same construction method... though maybe there's softer volcanic rocks? Not a geologist!) A related topic I've also been curious about is the categorization of different architectural styles: The Puuc style mentioned in this video is the only "named' Maya style I know of, and i'm curious if there are others beyond that, or say the Mixteca-Puebla/International style seen in painted art in Central Mexico/Oaxaca and some Norhern Maya sites in the Postclassic, etc. A part of me wonders if the "blockier" style of sculpture seen on Teotihuacano and Zapotec sculptures/ceramics from the Classic period represents a similar in-vogue style at the time, and I guess the consensus is also these days that "Olmec" style art seen in areas outside the Olmec heartland was the same? Also, what's the art at 13:47 from?
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks! one of these days I should send you a emai, I have a ton of photos I've taken at museums, or art from out of print book,s or by Mesoamerican artists I have rapport with they're cool with their work being used that I'd be happy to send over for you to use in videos.
Not only is it typical mesoamerican construction, it's a globally common construction method because it's frankly obvious to most people tasked with building big stone buildings
It's more impressive that the Maya with rudimentary tools created some of the most beautiful buildings and architecture of historic past that have lasted for centuries even through earthquakes and hurricanes, whereas us today require advanced technologies and yet our works tend to age quickly in comparison and not last as long.
@@hankrearden20 Yeah you know, the type that can move and shape a several ton, to several hundred ton block so precisely not even a sheet of paper can be slid between the joint; something seen as impossible with modern tools. But youre right, just simple, primitive tools. Nothing crazy
@@dgafbrapman688 You know, we can do that too, using primitive tools. Might want to look into that, and quit watching conspiracy videos because you have no grasp on our ancient past. So many people underestimate them, but why? They weren’t stupid, they were extremely hard workers, strong willed and built many wonderful works of great skill and creativeness. Btw, those joints aren’t supposed to be separated, you know. Why the hell would you leave a big gap inbetween? Latching on to irrelevant things like that are the bread and butter for pseudo archaeology.
I took my Dad when he was visiting to see Stonehenge. We took a tour with an official guide. The guide started his introduction by claiming that Stonehenge was the oldest and most important ancient monument in the world. When I questioned him on this, saying that the Great Pyramid was 500 years older and The Ness of Brodgar in Scotland and Newgrange in Ireland were hundreds of years older he said that was rubbish.
and he was right, you were wrong LOL what you mixed up due to lack of understanding was that stonehenge was started about 7000BC oreven 9000bc if you want to count the post holes for sky buriels and the final changes made around 2200bc according to archeologists, although even that last date is subject to interpretation
@@hawklord100 The important words here being "if you want to count". Why would you want to count them? They are not recognized as being part of Stonehenge, they are just proof of there being human activity at the same site a couple of thousand years earlier but other than the location there is no connection or continuity between them and Stonehenge. The Stonehenge circle itself was started around 3000 BC, which indeed makes it about 500 years older than the Great Pyramid and not the other way around like @PanglossDr said, so on that they were wrong, but they were right about the other two sites that are in fact older than Stonehenge. There's also Göbekli Tepe which is actually from 9000 BC, so yeah Stonehenge is not the oldest monument in the world.
@@HellbillyWizard What we all think of as "Stonehenge", the circle of standing stones and lintels, are only a fraction of the site. According to the UNESCO World Heritage Convention site, World Heritage property Stonehenge, Avebury and Associated Sites (closely placed sites) - - - "The survival of the Neolithic and Bronze Age monuments at both Stonehenge and Avebury is exceptional and remarkable given their age - they were built and used between around 3700 and 1600 BC. Stone and earth monuments retain their original design and materials. The timber structures have disappeared but postholes indicate their location. Monuments have been regularly maintained and repaired as necessary." -- and -- "The Avebury and Stonehenge landscapes are extensive, both being around 25 square kilometres, and capture the relationship between the monuments as well as their landscape setting." PS: Göbekli Tepe is not a monument, but a town/city. There are older cities than that, too. See Dr Miano's video on the earliest known cities in the world.
why do the same structures appear all around the world in particular huge stone walls with the amazing building technique and have those knobs on them, same can be seem from Egypt to Peru. please explain
@@theend9494 Similar printing type and letter press process of printing was invented independently in China/Korea and Germany only 300ish years apart. 1200ish CE in eastern Asia and 1450 CE in Germany… just as an example… and a little more complicated than cutting stone blocks. It is assumed that the main reason that it didn’t take off in east Asia was because they had too many different characters in their writing. Too impractical… but the invention was there, none the less. Practical coincidence, but the various stone cutting techniques from Egypt are a few thousand years ahead of the stones cut in the New World - ie Peru… according to trained archaeologists and historians.
This channel has made me realize how ridiculous the "ancient advanced tech" idea really is. I was fully convinced by these pseudo science "facts". Thank you for opening my eyes.
You're absolutely right. Tour guides in canyon de chelle still claim the Navarro drove the ancient Pueblo inhabitants out, when we know that when the Navarro arrived they only found ruins that have been long deserted. The Navarro tour guide got very upset with me claiming that they're own Navarro scientists found different results. Thank you for taking the time to educate the general public. Please excuse my grammar, my native tounge is German.
I saw "rubble on top, shaped blocks on the bottom" at Pompeii. In fact, the pattern was repeated at Ostia Antica and Hadrian's Villa. Would he make the same conclusions about the Romans?
I do watch that guy from time to time because I enjoy seeing tours of the areas. I have filed what he says, along with things I have studied. I enjoy your perspective however there is, in my opinion, a grain of truth underlying some of these concepts of ancient architecture that may predate or should amend some of the currently mainstream ideas. Just saying my random two cents
I dont know what grain youre referring to, but i respect you for looking at opposing view points. I think thats healthier than taking someone at their word. Even if theyre right, its good to ask yourself why you think theyre right.
@@phira8715 thats interesting. I dont think that would rule out the possibility of parallel thinking tho. There are only so many ways to cut a corner. Some people are going to come to the same conclusion. Especially if its visually appealing. What were the knobs for?
@@ErisApplebottom not sure exactly, there are many hypothesis...my gut tells me that it was during curing of the rocks in bags. I have not gone too in depth to find analysis of rock composition, but understanding the broad use of mortars it could be a form of "petrified" cement. If it was this method, it would be civilization specific most likely which would rule out dual discovery. The Egyptian seems to pre date the north American which causes me to suspect a sea migration, however Egyptian vessels are not meant for open waters, but the technology was available to them most likely..but he we are, in hypothetical if conditions based on other ifs...much like our " ancient machining guys"
Foerster is so full of crap. These people are making a lot of money from UA-cam, seminars, group holidays to Egypt, books, they don’t look at real archaeology because then they wouldn’t have an income and they KNOW IT.
your channel is such a masterpiece. few youtube history channels are run by such a knowledgable historian. I think your channel would take off with more 10-15 minute archaeology explainers coupled with the awesome footage you post from sites. These reactions to crackpot ancient aliens conspiracists are great tho so dont stop.
Not merely a man of deep knowledge and champion of the scientific method but an intellectual savage who dismantles pretenders with class. The truth/ facts are precious gifts to humanity..this man engages pseudo-science without fear and I fully approve.
@@davidclark573 - What is that supposed to mean? This video was about the Mayans and their architectural practices, not Christianity. He didn't even go into MAYAN religious beliefs!
Omg, these early comments are concerning. But I guess it's a good sign that your vids are getting out to the conspiracy theorists/ alternative history believers. 👍🙂
Labeling other ideas as conspiracies in an attempt to make them irrelevant is low-level thinking. This is typical of someone who is emotional, whose thinking is narrow, or who has concluded beliefs.
@@ccoodd26 well they are conspiratorial because they imply there's some great cover up done by "mainstream historians" which is just "experts espousing the dogma" when in actuality academics/scientists literally only make a name for themselves by finding something new or proving an existing hypotheses wrong. . And David Miano does properly address the arguments rather then calling you conspiracists. There are no cheap tactics being used here.
This Brien guy reminds of that "Bright Insight" guy, who today showed a picture of a quarried stone with a cut at the bottom of it and claimed "it was proof Ancient Egyptians used power tools to cut so pricisely." He didn't say where the stone was, when it was photographed, when it was quarried or cut, and who quarried and cut it. Most of the comments were like this: "I'm a stonemason, and I'll tell you that only a stonemason in modern times could have quarried and cut that stone like that. So, in conclusion, it was quarried and cut by an ancient race of aliens that had a civilisation that encompassed the globe." I mean, talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill, the grift is too easy for these charletons, some people will even believe that you can nuke Mars to terraform it.
he and Bright Insight are buddies and frequently go on tours together. BI idolized Foerster before they eventually hooked up and started "working" together.
I actually been a volunteer tour guide and it's not easy because not only do you have to keep a smile on your face, but you have to know what you are talking about especially now when anyone with a smart phone can look up information about the area. I also taken tours of places and even found things that the tour guide was wrong about but that was because as you said you can not know everything. The great thing is when the guide was asked a question he answered I don't know but I will find out and let you know what the answer was. He did after the break to buy things found out the answer. Myself I find local guides tend to be more involved with letting people understand the artifacts and locations better than others and mostly travel agencies guides tend to be the best. While I do like the fantasy alternative history as it makes it interesting and it was what got me into learning more about history so they do have a place in making people want to learn more about these things.
I believe that, when properly presented by science communicators, the reality of history is entirely fascinating enough to incite interest without having to resort to fantasy. The fact that not enough people have the critical thinking skills to see through the fantasy to start with is a huge problem.
Watching this AFTER watching all those pseudo history channels feels like breathing fresh mountain air after living a month in a tiny apartment in a polluted Chinese city, upstairs from a restaurant.
I am prepping a video on Ollantaytambo where Brien and co ask how did they lift the stones to the complex, it’s a mystery. The thing is they take photos from the top of a ramp that leads directly to the location. “How did they drag this stone up a mountain?” You can’t miss the ramp. Same with the quarry. Los of academics this and that but the quarry is well studied, even marked on google earth. Yet they keep pointing to the mountain top and cliffs insisting g that is where it is. It’s a rock fall quarry with ramps and slides that are still clearly visible. We all make mistakes but these guys are charlatans. They lie about the academic position, or lie about being familiar with it, and then hide behind a question mark. Bright Insight even tries to take the trees away from the Inca, I am pretty sure it’s based on Graham Hancock. Either way they all “just ask questions” about how to get the stones on site literally standing on the top end of the ramp. It’s impossible to miss. There’s a giant retaking wall supporting it. Not one of them mentions it after all these years. It’s snake oil and the lost high tech types are retreating as each of their claims and challenges get answered. They’ll always have an audience but the free run they had of things is over. About all they have left is “don’t be mean” after so long disparaging with snarky commentary. I believe cry bully is the term. You reap what you sow and the bitter herbs they planted are being fed to them.
Even with a ramp there is no clear technology showing how they moved stones that are several tonnes or more. With today's technology, with a quick google search,"As a general rule of thumb, tower cranes can lift up to 20 tonnes, while mobile cranes could potentially lift anywhere from 10 to 60 tonnes, depending on their size and mobility." So you're lying to say that in a bronze age world stones this size and larger were being moved around without providing any of your own proof. Thus the opening for conjecture and the postulation of an alternative theory, like that ancient civilisations did have iron.
@@fairhall001 “even with a quick google search.” Yeah that’s your problem right there. Just because you are ignorant and lazy doesn’t mean I am a liar. I bring the receipts and a first page google search is not something to boast about in public. Moving stones of that size with technology no advanced than ropes and levers was common place.
@@fairhall001 Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. Archimedes. Who says they lifted every stone, btw? Seriously, who?
@@heisag I don't think Archimedes was up to speed on physics, he may have meant well but I don't think he knew what a microwave was let alone how people with no iron moved stones weighing 1000 tonnes.
Isn't it fascinating how obsessed these guys are with masonry being "tight-fitting", as though that took lasers or something? And Foerster would find that Roman buildings also have nice masonry on the outside and rubble or brick on the inside, and it has nothing to do with chronology.
One of the greatest disappointments of my gaining knowledge was how poorly everything is constructed behind what you see. Take auto body repair, they make what you can see look beautiful and the inside is trash. When I took a job building cabinets I realized only the outside you see is built well, the inside is made of inferior material and done to a lower standard. When I got into the building trades I realized whole buildings from the late 1800s to modern day are literally built on the same premise. If every aspect of construction was to the highest degree, the cost and time to construct would make it impossible. This problem clearly existed for ancient civilizations too.
YESSS! My favourite thing. Lol This bloke, like others, uses the term “Megalithic” not for describing large stones but for a (undefined) period or era in history. I too have visited many of these sites in Belize, Guatemala and Mexico’s Yucatan. It drives me mad to see white ignoramuses disparaging the Mayans, just as they do all the other brown people who built amazing edifices the world over. Note how they never question who built Stonehenge or other stone circles in Europe. Hmmm, I wonder why? Another great video David, cheers mate. P.S. please take a look at the comment that somebody made underneath mine on your “short debunking” vid from the other day. You acknowledged my comment. The new comment is unbelievable. Lol
Nobody knows who built Stonehenge so all that can be done about it is guessing. It is not about the color of skin either it is more about the size of the creatures and their strength that makes a more logical investigation. Humans today are just too small and weak to be able to move stones like the ones in Baalbek temple complex or the Millions of stones in the great Pyramid.
@@KevinR242 Creatures? Lmfao By the way, We *Do* know which people built Stonehenge, in several stages, over a thousand years, with additions and alterations occurring as culture and beliefs changed over time. We know the chronological order of construction phases and have found the remains of the people who built it. We have even found remains of their Solstice feasting. Both types of remains have been analysed and Carbon 14 dated, along with other methods, to arrive at the agreed dates which have been published in Scientific Publications and peer reviewed. All this data is available to the public, so I’d take a look if I were you before you make any silly statements….. oops, you’re too late for that I’m afraid mate. But it’s never too late to learn and be mature and humble enough to admit mistakes. After all, you are probably only repeating what some unqualified grifter told you I should think.
I am a PhD Geologist and led a number of adventure-travel trips to the Yucatan. Brian is completely wrong. Most of the limestone is Quaternary age and much of it is very soft. It is all composed of calcite having a hardness of 3/10. Chemical replacement in the limestone formed chert (flint) nodules throughout the area; this was used widely for tools. Chert has a hardness of 7/10 and can easily cut, scrape, shape the limestone. As well, Classic Maya construction commonly used stucco on the walls so super fine carving and smoothing was not needed. This is all well known, but Brian chooses not to do so.
Really? I would like to hear more, can the flint form what looks like a stratified layer? I ran into said layer in Texas back in the 70's and it has haunted my mind all these years. I thought it had to have some vulcanism to it.
@@georgyporgy777 Don't ya know, I often wonder if just about everyone has lost it. Maybe Dr. da2ra just went off on vacation... I got an answer to one question : www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=pHHQMM66xtA&start=2245&end=2754&loop=1
Thank you dat2ra.....a voice or reason. If Brien Foerster was in a McDonalds in New York I guarantee he would still find a "megalith" in there somewhere and attribute it to peoples unknown who left no trace of their existence....peace to ya bud.
I have seen one of his short videos about obelisk in Egypt. It appeared high on the list and had good footage of obelisk itself. It quickly became obvious, however, he makes baseless and irrational claims. I thought he was an enthusiastic but clueless tourist. Later I learned he is one of the prominent pseudo archeologists, so I spotted it blindly with minimum bias.
Any argument that says, "The conventional theory is wrong so some alternative theory that I can't provide any details on must be true." can be dismissed immediately. Foerster is giving us an argument from ignorance. He can't understand how the Mayans did it so it must have been somebody else, but he can't say who did it or when it was done.
I think Forester heard ‘megalithic’ somewhere, found it to be a very attractive word and starting associating it to every ancient structure to call them old
Megalith or large stone is a common enough word. Used usually where the level of masonry doesn't match with the technology known to have existed in the timeframe set by archeology not just as a reference to large well fitted stones.
@@fairhall001 *used by cranks and charlatans as a dogwhistle to their marks who know it refers to the bs conspiracy theory. Right. “Megalith” as a “common enough” word just means large stone. No more. Your lot use “megalithic”, In a not common at all way, as a very specific bit of pseudo-esoteric jargon to refer to a fake period of history and your enormous, racist Argument From Incredulity fallacy about how brown people couldn’t build such nice things.
@@joearnold6881 "My lot"? I think you are bonkers. No one mentioned anything about "brown people" nor did anyone doubt that brown people could have built large stone constructions. I think you are trying to insult people using hair brained connections to racism.
@@fairhall001 He's using megalithic in a concrete term as if it were a particular cultural trait as opposed to simply describing what the materials are. There is no "megalithic" culture or time period. it isnt a global unifier to use large stones.
Mayan pre-classic and classic period architecture (classic period was 200 AD to 800 AD) is unquestionably some of the most beautiful building design from either antiquity or contemporary times. The temple of Kukulkan at Chichen Itza is astounding and might, somewhat surprisingly, be more iconic than Tzacualli Tonatiuh (temple of the sun) at Teotihuacan (my personal favorite pyramid on earth). Buildings #1 and #2 at Calakmul are unbelievable. The sheer bulk of building #1 leaves me without descriptive language. One last one. The central area in front of the temple of the Jaguar at Tikal is magical, simply looking at it via photo fills you with thoughts and feelings of the numinous. I know they intended their architecture to complement their religious beliefs, but the wonderful thing is that even if you don't practice the ancient Maya religious system you are still filled with epiphanies of the numinous by merely being in the presence of these designs. For someone to take that away from a culture that still has 6 million speakers of the Mayan language family, by claiming a more advanced civilization accomplished these outstanding feats, is simply ignorance on display, broadcast to the world for the purpose of letting us know who's ideas to completely disregard and ignore. P.S. this fraudster needs a dictionary, or a phone to call me so I can explain what a megalith actually is because he is so far off from identifying an actual megalithic structure I nearly feel bad for him; not really though, because his narration was excessively obnoxious. Also, to the professor who conducted this debunking, excellent work. Bravo
@@bobmuneer7829 - Intelligence, design sensitivity, creativity, planning, and hard work. They generally used quarries that weren't far from the building sites, for example. Also actually watching the video will help you out.
Please never change! "...theyre little, but big at heart." had me rolling. Thanks for not pulling any punches. Ive mentioned before how I like to hear about alternate ideas while theyre being debunked, but you always do it with a degree of grace and subtle humor that just brightens my day. Thank you doing this important work
Very important that these videos exist, the layman (like me) can easily believe a video like briens, just because of a lack of knowledge on the topic. Thanks David. Hope you will do another field trip someday, really enjoyed the previous ones.
@timvw01 - Greetings and Happy New Year! You might find it helpful to compare the structures as they exist today in their state of restoration with the way they looked before. It is fairly easy to find some of those old black and white photos on the 'net. You will readily see what Dr Minao is talking about regarding more recent restoration work NOT being "degenerated" ancient Mayan skill.
I don’t think you intended for this thumbnail to be as comical is it is to me but for some reason the “Riffing” caption with the look on his face has me in tears 😂
Another great video! It really bugs me when people see work of differing qualaties and assume they are produced by different cultutes... or even different people. In my own body of work not everything is made to the same quality... sometimes clients value speed or lower price and so this has an impact of the quality of individual products.
@jamisojo No, it actually doesn't make any sense. These structures were created by separate cultures. It makes absolutely no sense. Did the Roman's go from columns and concrete and go back to unshaped rock and mud bricks. Just shut th fuck up with your ignorance
Researchers and scholars think they are made by different cultures not because of what they “see” but because of MANY other factors that are never mentioned in UA-cam videos - likely because acknowledging how research is REALLY done would cost them a lot of money selling fake stuff. I’d be willing to bet that almost no one who believes what they see in UA-cam videos that goes against “mainstream” archeology/history/anthropology actually knows what the knowledge in those fields is actually based on or how those fields operate.
In response to something you said at the beginning you're always nice: even when you're not, especially when you're refuting bad information, please keep doing what you're doing!! Love it!!
Hi David, thanks for the video, you finally got your hands on Foerster, he's really one of the main charlatans of today, if I don't mention UnchartedX, Bright Inside, ...others. Foerster's videos can only be watched with the sound turned off, because his BS are unlistenable. I would be very happy if you continue with his other videos, because you always create an instructional work with a lot of scientific and archeological arguments and that is always pleasant to watch. Wish you a happy New Year. Martin from Slovakia.
People forget how skilled someone can get just by making the same things over and over. With experience the simplest of tools can create amazing things.
It seems that people like Mr. Foerster are not interested in diligent scholarship or research as this does not bring in cash from gullible fools. Keep up the good work Dr. Miano
These are the kind of people that would look at an American city and conclude that the primitive wooden house dwellers, discovered skyscrapers built by alien giants, with antigravity technology.
I have always enjoyed Brians's work and videos but feel a little deflated after watching this video. But sometimes the truth of something is a bitter pill to swallow but necessary for progress. Thanks for the video.
what I will never understand about these ancient civs that supposedly had technology to rival ours is why they were building usig giant blocks of stone when they would have had access to plastics, glass, steel etc? whereas its exactly the material you would expect lower tech civs to use to make large buildings...
Well because obviously giant stone blocks are required for the free energy Tesla buildings. Everyone knows from middle school science class that with large amounts of limestone, and granite, and some water, you’ll get a superconductor alien tech thingy….it’s all very technical.
I've enjoyed of few of Brien's videos as they have provided some great shots of interesting areas & ancient sites. But recently, after watching one of his videos where he makes a comment about large stones (megalithic) being "thrown" from their previous position, I finally questioned him about this....how did he know it was "thrown"? His response was to tell me to visit the site personally & see "the obvious". In many of his videos, Brien states his opinion in a manner that indicates that he expects the viewer to take it as fact. When questioned about it, he will not (or cannot) support his claim. I hope David will continue to shine a light on these charlatans. While I'm willing to listen with an open mind about the possibility of ancient, undiscovered civilizations or long-lost cataclysmic events, I'd like those speaking about it to at least be able to provide a coherent explanation to support their contention.
I've watched (and mostly enjoyed) plenty of his content over the years, but unsubscribed - because at some point he started to prattle on about the possibility of moving immense stones with vocal sounds. Then his tours started to fill up with folks toning (humming) in sacred sites. Obviously, he has his devout followers.
@@annascott3542 Agreed. I'm willing to listen to Graham Hancock as I think he does research to back his claims. But there seem to be far too many liars, like Brien, who take advantage of our collective laziness. Bravo to Brien for finding a way to make money from lazy people.
I don't really understand why these alternate history nutjobs could not grasp that ancient civilizations like egytians, ancient mesopotamians, greeks, romans, mayans, indus valley, ancient chinese, etc despite having primitive tools had very sophisticated civilizations and very sophisticated techniques by which they built all those marvels. You don't need modern heavy machinery to built those.. just a good organization of humans, sophisticated techniques and time can build those ancient marvels as well.
What are these techniques and what is the process and organisation? You are grifting on behalf of the creationist. To assert you must have evidence or proof, of which you have failed to provide any again. Where are the tools needed? This isn't just South America but worldwide..
''Brien Foerster CLUELESS about Maya Buildings'' We know,. How you managed to fill 25 mins with that is impressive, but how much you must have watched and worked on to do so without hours of his 'expertise' to send viewers to sleep with is why we follow ... He's a tour guide with a theme. You're a mine of insight ... and your reference links begin to give rise to suggest you have enough material to construct a very useful online links library and certainly save ME a lot of unfruitful search time. [Yes, there is at least one of his lectures online I defy anyone not to nod off during if you're not one of his more avid fans.]
My grandmother ran a tour bus during the summer for tourists and she shamelessly made up stories anytime someone asked her about something she didn’t know, but also she didn’t go to historical sites as far as I’m aware, at least, and her stories were at least entertaining. My mother says it was stressful to help her on these tours because she couldn’t stand to do something like that and had to study a ton to try to actually have answers.
History is complicated and Brien Foerster is a simple man. He's great, not because his ideas or intellect, but because he takes the time to uncover and share info on a vast amount of fascinating ancient sites no one ever heard of, as well as the famous ones. He takes you there and you can do the thinking. He does it partly for profit by organizing his tours, partly out of genuine interest. It does not make the claim that all these magnificent buildings were built with primitive tools plausible.
When we are ill we go to a doctor, when our car breaks down we go to a mechanic, if we want building plans we go to an architect, so why when we look at history would we go to Brian Foerster.
What hit the Pentagon? Clip shown has frame's removed, I see NOT a Plane but, it could be a Missle, that's their Offical Pentagon Video. Their video, and THEIR Evidence. Make's a lot of Sence the Light pole's, forgot to Fall when the Wing's hit them and Put Engine's and WIng's into Far side's of Building face from Main Punch Hole, of said Body of PLANE. The Engine's weight and Plane's speed and Final location of them post event are not Authentic Evidence, shown, in contrast of Fact... Engine's would have separated with wing section and Left their OWN Hole's, in Face of Building. Plane was moving over 50mph, car Crashes at 50MPH prove "911-report was Fraud/fake as jesusyhvh".
India's Cultural Link with Ancient America Swami Vivekananda once said about the God Shiva that he had traveled from India, on the one side, to Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes, Australia, as far as the shores of America, and on the other side, this old Shiva battened his bull in Tibet, Japan and as far as Siberia … Right from the peroid of first Spanish historist Mr. Fray Shahaun (1515AD) till today, a number of scholars have worked over the life of native Americans and some of them almost came to the conclusion that in ancient times people from India and the Indiana archipelago migrated to America and developed a great civilization there. In his book 'A Compact History of Mexico', Mr. Ignacio Bernall states that people from Asia entered America some thirty-five thousand years before, whereas Mr. Arcio Nuns, a Brazilian nuclear scientist, mentions about the Dravidians of Asia with America as old as eleven thousand years. An article published in the 'Hindu' of 27th Sept. 1985 writes about the discovery made by Dr. Harry Fell, renowned epigraphist of USA goes to suggest that the early merchant settlers of South-East Asia had sailed to far off lands in pursuit of their profession, whose presence in Mexico is available in the form of inscriptions. Dr. Fell has deciphered the Indic inscription from Tihosuco which reads that merchant Vusaluna, the captain of the ship, sailing along the coast line, had got the inscription engraved on the stone slab in the month of July of the year 845. It is assumed that year mentioned is of Saka era. Cultural Links: Worship - The archaeologists found many Hindu deities like Shiva, Shiv-Linga, Ganesh, Kali, Sun, Buddha etc. (in similar or slightly different forms) which were worshipped in ancient America. The Hindu God of luck, the Ganesh, was worshipped in Central-South America. Idols of Ganesh have been excavated in plenty in Mexico. This God of the Elephant's trunk is frequently depicted in Mexican manuscripts and in the temple ruins in Central America as the God with a proboscis-like horn, whence water is squirting, and his head is most frequently portrayed on the corners of temple walls, which are always built with reference to the original points. And idol of 'Ekdant Ganesh' was noticed in the temple at Kopan by great Indonologist late Dr. W.S. Wakankar. An idol of Hanuman called by the name 'Wilka Huemana' and measuring 50 feet in height and 12 feet in breadth was found in Guatemala. Similar idol was found during an excavation of an Aztec temple in Mexico city and was known as 'Euhectal', a wind God, a monkey God. Buddhism also had a vast influence on pre-Colombian America. Professor F.W. Putnam found in the jungles of Honduras a sculpture which greatly resembles Buddha. According to the July, 1901 issue of American Harper's magazine, it has been proved with evidence that five Buddhist monks had reached Mexico in ancient times, via Alaska. Ceremonies, Beliefs and Customs : Hindu culture, civilization, custom and belief also dominated ancient America to some extent. Ancient Americans believed in legendary cataclysm, rebirth, four yugas and the concept of two planets like Rahu and Ketu causing solar eclipse. The Hindu doctrine of the ages is preserved in a stone monolith popularly known as the Aztec calendar. This remarkable piece of stone carving is in the form of an immense disc 12 feet in diameter and weights over 20 tons. A festival called Sita-Ram (Situa-Raimi) was celebrated in Mexico during Nav-Ratri or Desserah's period which has been described on page 5867 in the book 'Hamsworth History of the World'. Both in Central and South America, there are found Sati-Cremation, priesthood, Gurukul system, Yagnya, birth, marriage and death ceremonies to some extent similar to the Hindus. Social life : The ancient American's dresses (male and female) were simple and similar to those of Hindu dresses. Mexican face types were found to be similar to those of Asam, Naga, Nepal and Haryana people. Even their reddish brown skin complexion bear distinct similarity with those of Nepalies and Nagas. If an Indian is shown a Maya lady of Yucatan province from Mexico, he will recognize her as a Jat Lady of Haryana. Ayar Inoa King used to wear a turban, earring and a trishul type trident in his hand. Today there live native red Indians of America in the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico who are now left only few 100'000 in number. These tribes are still vegetarians. Similarly, only 200'000 natives are survived in Canada who are still called as 'Indians'. Their lifestyle, customs, and beliefs are identical to those of red Indians, so similar to Bhartiya. Trade : Goldsmiths from Peru and Mexico prevailed working style similar to Indian traditional goldsmiths. Mr. Michael Long of the National Geographic Society was surprised to see the back strap weaving method in Handloom at Santa Rosa of Peru. This is used to separate thread. It is very well known that cotton is a gift given by Indians to the whole world. Language: Professor Raman Mena, curator of the National Museum of Mexico, said that the general appearance of Maya's writing is considered of oriental origin. According to scholar Orozco V. Berra, Maya and other languages are of Sanskrit origin. A few Sanskrit and Quichua words are given here to show their similarity and origin. Quichua Sanskrit A hina (also) ena (also) Killa (moon) Kil (shining) Illapi (chant) lap (to speak) Paksa (fortnight) Paksha (Fortnight) The word 'Wara', a unit of measurement, was also used by Maya people. They used to call Antyas as Antis. Professor Hug Fox of Michigan State University found a strange mix of Tamil and local American languages in use some millennia ago. For example, shasta, Indiana, Arevada, Utah, Guyana etc. Mr. Arcio Nuns, from the Federal University of Brazil, found evidence of our Gorani language in the form of Bruhi language during his long research work conducted in South America. 'Gorani' language was practiced thousands of years before in Tamilnandu as per Arcio Nuns. This language is still used in the Adi-Chandlur tribal area of Tamilnanadu and shows similarity to the Bruhi language being practiced in South America. It is also believed that Quichua's (language of Peruvians) characteristic of mouth transmission is derived from Indians. Writing mathematical figures by using vertical and horizontal straight lines was a system commonly practiced by Indians and Mayas Shilpa : Southern and Central American excavations revealed ancient cities, forts, bridges, tanks, canals, houses, and pyramids which indicated the high state of civilization and what is found that some sculptures of those archaeological remnants are similar in form and design to that found in Indian sculptural monuments. 'Supporting the buildings over the arms of Yaksha' is an Indian art. Similar types of construction was found in ancient Mexico. Similarly, sculptures of human figures with headgear similar to Tamilians, sculptures of Indian style ornamentation of elephants were found in Copan (Honduras) and Palenque. Thousands of ancient baked-clay bricks were found in Comalcalco in Mexico over which Pali scripts were engraved and these were used in the construction of pyramid temples which were similar to the pyramid temple in the Chidambaram village situated on the Coromondal coast in Southern India. In an article written by scholar Ronald Shiller named 'Unsolved Mysteries of! the Incas' appeared in Reader's Digest of August 1982, he claims to have seen the imprints of South-East Asian culture over the sculptures found in Peru dating to the second century BC. I hope my findings will help the scholars to study the influence of Indian Culture over the Meso-American culture, so as to bring before the world the universality of great Vedic culture in the past. (Arun Chinchmalatpure)
What blows my mind is the lack of knowledge by the person you are covering. Also interestingly that have also found jadeite chisels in Mayan exuviations and for people that don't know Jadeite is harder than steel. So a lot of finer details could have also been handled by these tools. Though jadeite wouldn't be needed for chiseling lime stone even just a harder stone chisel have been used, and wood wedge used for separating larger pieces.
jadeite although hard is brittle and would be better used on a soft stone like limestone. granite has too much bounce and doesn't absorb the energy so easily.
@@GroberWeisenstein Jadeite is brittle, but if in proper hands can be used on granite, since granite has weak seems, also the structures we are talking about are lime stone.
@@jeromyzx153 sorry no. jadeite does not possess enough strength properties to be a suitable or productive chisel tool. Hardness and overall strength is approx 10 different parameters to be considered. I mentioned earlier jadeite would only be suitable on a softer stone like limestone but since jadeite is also rare wouldn't be practical for large scale use. It's crystalline structure does not stand up to impact forces well and splinters easily.I have quarried both jadeite and pyroxene granite which occurred near each other and i can assure you that you have been misinformed.
@@GroberWeisenstein This is true, it could be used but isn't efficient. It was found in ancient salt works so was probably used for softer materials. I also stated jadeite wouldn't be needed for stone working. The reason I brought up harder than steel because people like to conflate steel with being the only useable material for working with.
I’d like to think that was local people that built those structures in Peru. It is fairly curious how certain megalithic stones such as the ones at Sacsayhuaman were moved though. And the Incas themselves didn’t take credit for that work if you look into it. I would also be pretty ignorant to tell them that they are wrong, That we know the story better than their oral tradition and they did build them. The fact is there are certain technologically advanced aspects such as two stones being fitted so closely together that you cannot put a sheet of paper between them still to this day. I think we need to expand our rigid views just a little.
Ah man, I said this before (but you don't mind another comment I assume), but I have mixed feelings about this. Don't get me wrong, I love what you do. You are making an excellent case and you are convincing me everytime that someone's views are wrong. That my views were wrong. You do this with facts and logic. But I really liked the idea that there was a mysterious civilization that most archaeologists somehow missed! And you're crushing many of my old heroes. But please, in the name of Truth, continue!
Rephaim post Genesis 6:4-7 KJV / Numbers 13:32-33 KJV hybrids..... THE BIBLE HAS THE ANSWERS..... JOHN 8:32 KJV / Besides Mr.Foerster has been to many megalithic sights throughout the WORLD and he knows what he is talking about..... It is incomprehensible for even with our recent ACHIEVEMENTS in modern architecture to recreate those accomplishments. Many of those small stones that the Maya had put together have megalithic mega ton stones beneath them..... Explain that Einstein? The same thing in Peru and elsewhere around the world.....
@@cesaresteves8288 Visiting many places doesn't equate to understanding what's seen there, many actual expertise have studies and did archeological experiments to protect what could be done, plenty of time and bodies can quarry and move alot of stone
@@cesaresteves8288 how big is a "mega ton"? 😁😉 And if you think there's any stone shape or size that we couldn't create today, it is because you are ignorant of our tools. Honestly, anyone with stone to use as a tool could do the same thing. They just can't do it as fast as we could if we wanted to.
2.5 Metric Tons the average weight of the pyramid building blocks..... 2,205 pounds very difficult to move over 6,000 years ago without help of modern machinery. Tow trucks and cranes..... Even now it would seem like a daunting task much less eons ago without the help of modern construction machinery.....
As a Stonemason I actually cringe and get a headache when Brien discusses stonework technologies. The man doesn't seem to care about due diligence or facts. Classic naysayer selling magical mystery tours.
How is it that there are qualified stonemason's that also point out how the megaliths and the technology of the mayans don't match. There is no evidence of iron but rocks that have moved or been cut that is presumed to have needed iron to move or be cut. What are these so called simple methods? Pounding stones?
@@fairhall001 stone industry is a large field. The various subtrades within the broader classification of stonemasonry are important to qualify on the particular subject. The last generation of Stonecutters and quarrymen now retired or passed were the keepers of this knowledge in similar manual techniques. Since the 80's the industry at large went thru a technological leap which replaced many of these methods. The title 'stone mason' today is an umbrella term and needs further clarification of specialization for consideration as a relevant expert.
Thanks, I've been waiting for this. I actually enjoy watching Brien's footage of ancient sites, but trolling his comments section or live chat is too much fun. He is an example, in my opinion, of a confirmed grifter. I know that he knows better, which is disappointing (turns out, after watching, that he doesn't know anything. Good grief!). I don't mock those who believe this narrative, it is compelling and fun. Who doesn't love to be in on an exclusive secret? Edit: I just contradicted myself. Trolling the gullible is mocking them. Call it informative tough love. Great video.
I have been trying to find vids of Mr Foerster refuting Mr Miano... I could not find any... One would think, someone that "knowledgable" would easily be able to defend his theories against know-it-alls like Miano? I wonder why I don't find any... :D :D :D (for those that don't get sarcasm: I think this vid is bang on the money...)
Large European medieval stone structures - castles, churches, etc - are often built in this way. The stone filled cores do a great job structurally but can be far 'cruder' in appearance than the rather high level finish in evidence in the exposed structural cores this guy criticises ( just like modern blockwork that is hidden under bricks, plasterboard, and so on). The core material is structural, so actually requires skilled workers to make sure it is sound, unlike the facing stones, which required skilled workers 'only' to achieve a high level of finish for aesthetic purposes, but which do not need to be particularly structurally stable. I note with interest that no one (as far as I know) attributes medieval European buildings to a lost 'Megalithic Civilisation. Thanks for the great videos!
maybe don't do sci-fi and fantasy that uses real world culture by totally dismissing it, and attributing said culture's historical monuments to fantastical fluff. maybe do sci-fi at home, instead of taking people on tours, and claim that your sci-fi is real.
I do too. But they’re claiming its true. Using “real” conspiracy theories as a basis for a good story is one thing. Outright lying about the past is another.
@@phangkuanhoong7967 India's Cultural Link with Ancient America 💜 Swami Vivekananda once said about the God Shiva that he had traveled from India, on the one side, to Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes, Australia, as far as the shores of America, and on the other side, this old Shiva battened his bull in Tibet, Japan and as far as Siberia … Right from the peroid of first Spanish historist Mr. Fray Shahaun (1515AD) till today, a number of scholars have worked over the life of native Americans and some of them almost came to the conclusion that in ancient times people from India and the Indiana archipelago migrated to America and developed a great civilization there. In his book 'A Compact History of Mexico', Mr. Ignacio Bernall states that people from Asia entered America some thirty-five thousand years before, whereas Mr. Arcio Nuns, a Brazilian nuclear scientist, mentions about the Dravidians of Asia with America as old as eleven thousand years. An article published in the 'Hindu' of 27th Sept. 1985 writes about the discovery made by Dr. Harry Fell, renowned epigraphist of USA goes to suggest that the early merchant settlers of South-East Asia had sailed to far off lands in pursuit of their profession, whose presence in Mexico is available in the form of inscriptions. Dr. Fell has deciphered the Indic inscription from Tihosuco which reads that merchant Vusaluna, the captain of the ship, sailing along the coast line, had got the inscription engraved on the stone slab in the month of July of the year 845. It is assumed that year mentioned is of Saka era. Cultural Links: Worship - The archaeologists found many Hindu deities like Shiva, Shiv-Linga, Ganesh, Kali, Sun, Buddha etc. (in similar or slightly different forms) which were worshipped in ancient America. The Hindu God of luck, the Ganesh, was worshipped in Central-South America. Idols of Ganesh have been excavated in plenty in Mexico. This God of the Elephant's trunk is frequently depicted in Mexican manuscripts and in the temple ruins in Central America as the God with a proboscis-like horn, whence water is squirting, and his head is most frequently portrayed on the corners of temple walls, which are always built with reference to the original points. And idol of 'Ekdant Ganesh' was noticed in the temple at Kopan by great Indonologist late Dr. W.S. Wakankar. An idol of Hanuman called by the name 'Wilka Huemana' and measuring 50 feet in height and 12 feet in breadth was found in Guatemala. Similar idol was found during an excavation of an Aztec temple in Mexico city and was known as 'Euhectal', a wind God, a monkey God. Buddhism also had a vast influence on pre-Colombian America. Professor F.W. Putnam found in the jungles of Honduras a sculpture which greatly resembles Buddha. According to the July, 1901 issue of American Harper's magazine, it has been proved with evidence that five Buddhist monks had reached Mexico in ancient times, via Alaska. Ceremonies, Beliefs and Customs : Hindu culture, civilization, custom and belief also dominated ancient America to some extent. Ancient Americans believed in legendary cataclysm, rebirth, four yugas and the concept of two planets like Rahu and Ketu causing solar eclipse. The Hindu doctrine of the ages is preserved in a stone monolith popularly known as the Aztec calendar. This remarkable piece of stone carving is in the form of an immense disc 12 feet in diameter and weights over 20 tons. A festival called Sita-Ram (Situa-Raimi) was celebrated in Mexico during Nav-Ratri or Desserah's period which has been described on page 5867 in the book 'Hamsworth History of the World'. Both in Central and South America, there are found Sati-Cremation, priesthood, Gurukul system, Yagnya, birth, marriage and death ceremonies to some extent similar to the Hindus. Social life : The ancient American's dresses (male and female) were simple and similar to those of Hindu dresses. Mexican face types were found to be similar to those of Asam, Naga, Nepal and Haryana people. Even their reddish brown skin complexion bear distinct similarity with those of Nepalies and Nagas. If an Indian is shown a Maya lady of Yucatan province from Mexico, he will recognize her as a Jat Lady of Haryana. Ayar Inoa King used to wear a turban, earring and a trishul type trident in his hand. Today there live native red Indians of America in the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico who are now left only few 100'000 in number. These tribes are still vegetarians. Similarly, only 200'000 natives are survived in Canada who are still called as 'Indians'. Their lifestyle, customs, and beliefs are identical to those of red Indians, so similar to Bhartiya. Trade : Goldsmiths from Peru and Mexico prevailed working style similar to Indian traditional goldsmiths. Mr. Michael Long of the National Geographic Society was surprised to see the back strap weaving method in Handloom at Santa Rosa of Peru. This is used to separate thread. It is very well known that cotton is a gift given by Indians to the whole world. Language: Professor Raman Mena, curator of the National Museum of Mexico, said that the general appearance of Maya's writing is considered of oriental origin. According to scholar Orozco V. Berra, Maya and other languages are of Sanskrit origin. A few Sanskrit and Quichua words are given here to show their similarity and origin. Quichua Sanskrit A hina (also) ena (also) Killa (moon) Kil (shining) Illapi (chant) lap (to speak) Paksa (fortnight) Paksha (Fortnight) The word 'Wara', a unit of measurement, was also used by Maya people. They used to call Antyas as Antis. Professor Hug Fox of Michigan State University found a strange mix of Tamil and local American languages in use some millennia ago. For example, shasta, Indiana, Arevada, Utah, Guyana etc. Mr. Arcio Nuns, from the Federal University of Brazil, found evidence of our Gorani language in the form of Bruhi language during his long research work conducted in South America. 'Gorani' language was practiced thousands of years before in Tamilnandu as per Arcio Nuns. This language is still used in the Adi-Chandlur tribal area of Tamilnanadu and shows similarity to the Bruhi language being practiced in South America. It is also believed that Quichua's (language of Peruvians) characteristic of mouth transmission is derived from Indians. Writing mathematical figures by using vertical and horizontal straight lines was a system commonly practiced by Indians and Mayas Shilpa : Southern and Central American excavations revealed ancient cities, forts, bridges, tanks, canals, houses, and pyramids which indicated the high state of civilization and what is found that some sculptures of those archaeological remnants are similar in form and design to that found in Indian sculptural monuments. 'Supporting the buildings over the arms of Yaksha' is an Indian art. Similar types of construction was found in ancient Mexico. Similarly, sculptures of human figures with headgear similar to Tamilians, sculptures of Indian style ornamentation of elephants were found in Copan (Honduras) and Palenque. Thousands of ancient baked-clay bricks were found in Comalcalco in Mexico over which Pali scripts were engraved and these were used in the construction of pyramid temples which were similar to the pyramid temple in the Chidambaram village situated on the Coromondal coast in Southern India. In an article written by scholar Ronald Shiller named 'Unsolved Mysteries of! the Incas' appeared in Reader's Digest of August 1982, he claims to have seen the imprints of South-East Asian culture over the sculptures found in Peru dating to the second century BC. I hope my findings will help the scholars to study the influence of Indian Culture over the Meso-American culture, so as to bring before the world the universality of great Vedic culture in the past. (Arun Chinchmalatpure)
A very evidence based overview/rebuttal of his loosey goosey style of conjectural archeology. A great example of how to construct an argument. Thanks for another great video!
In my opinion, Brien says what the visitor thinks, who knows a little. why should Brien say something he doesn't know, so he says it this way, that others who listen to him think that he just doesn't know exactly and thus goes to the level of the visitor, which is actually completely fine. I think so. But the people who did the experiments with the limestones only did it the way they think it could have been.
Okay, I have to be 100% honest here. I have watched dozen's of Brien's videos, and I give him credit for visiting many of these sites in person and producing a huge number of "on location" videos. However, there gets to be a point where you hear various claims in these videos, and you want him to go to the next step and "prove it". As an educated person, I am more than willing to have an open mind as to what occurred in the past, but I want to see/hear undisputed proof. At this point in time, there is 0 proof that an ancient civilization every existed in the distant past, well, one with a technology that was capable of cutting and moving huge stones with ease. So until the proof is discovered/unearthed, I am not going to take someone's word for it, simply because they make claims about it in their videos.
@Philosophy_First Well, that comment sounds a tad harsh. And who jumped to the conclusion I was "funding" anyone? Talk about jumping to conclusions without any proof,
With all your respect i think you judging someone who is just showing ancient architecture from another angle, other possibilities. Brian foster i am sure has some knowledge that you dont have and yes probably he is wrong on some issues and some are in question, still he has all his right to show it to the public and we can decide over his theories… don’t forget some archeologists have been called crazy to later find out they were actually right on some important matters. Look, you have also the right yo show us your perspective but i think you can do it without judging people as if you definitely have everything on ur side. Just think about this, why have some mayan pyramids pyramids inside pyramids?… also, isn’t there a probability that some civilizations found some buildings and lived in them or lived around them?… there nothing wrong having an open mind and thinking beyond possibilities… lets not forget new discoveries are always found with new knowledge
I had wondered how he could be considered an authority on anything and what value his books could contain. UA-cam is rampant with these guys. You stand as a sentinel amid the mire!
Another excellent video, David. I do enjoy Brien's vids & ruminations on the obviously different types of construction in the Peruvian highlands, but, as with many of us who learn to see a portion of the world in a novel (& perhaps legitimate) way, it can be all too easy to then think that EVERYTHING must fit within it. And I wholeheartedly agree that there is never an excuse for not doing one's reading, especially when holding oneself out to be an expert. Above all, thank you for always being gracious in these disagreements. A rare & marvelous thing in these vituperative times. Cheers~
@@annascott3542 He takes vast amounts of great footage of very interesting sites. Regardless of what he says about it, the ability of the rest of us to SEE these places is priceless.
I once worked on a modern construction site, where a stone veneer was put upon cheaper filler. The ancient Mayas clearly had advanced knowledge of basic economics. To sad their space lizzard friends didn't teach them how to build proper arks.😂
It's always funny when people take a basic misunderstanding than extrapolate fanciful nonsense on it. Then other people start believing it and then it gets depressing.
A practicing stone Mason here. I love videos like these as well as some of the work Brien has put out. Both have their place in this realm of ancient history, but presentations like these are generally more interesting due to the acknowledgement of the pros and cons of the arguments presented. 19:05 One note: I don’t even think the builders whom constructed the core/interior parts of the walls/structure had to be “less skilled” or “different people.” In my experience the lower level workers would be doing the grunt work, i.e. transporting the material, mixing the mud (mortar), maybe performing some of the cuts, cleaning up excess debris and so on. Virtually every time you are constructing something out of masonry, say a wall with a stone veneer, you don’t need the interior of the wall to have any objective beauty - it’s simply about the structural integrity of the wall you are building. It’s all about the finished product - the exterior work and the veneer stone they are using. Quite frequently it’s the same workers doing both parts of the actual building of the project. There is no real need to bring in less experienced builders to construct the inside and then bring in the Master Masons (builders) for the finished work. In fact, from my experience, you want the experienced workers there constructing the interior part of the build to make sure everything is on the up and up, as well as the ensure that the structure is sound and ready for the veneer stone application. After the last 15 years or so of looking into this sort of ancient history and megalithic work this seems to be the case for many of the sites. A “janky” appearance for the interior work will never be seen once the veneer stone is applied and it doesn’t matter for structural integrity, therefore there is no real reason to go through the trouble of making it look super nice as the exterior will be. I’ve seen examples of this from Giza to Machu Picchu and as the years progress I see more and more examples of this. One of the most impressive build IMO is the work done at Gobleki Tepi. This is because most of the excavated megaliths using a bas-relief technique out of whole stones (one of the most difficult forms of carving) and then Purposely buried before the cataclysm ~12,000 years ago during the younger dryas impact event.
In some instances he is actually correct, but I have noted from his video's that sadly this is about the limit of Brian's repertoire, so he looks for examples of it everywhere.
For me, your work has rapidly become essential in combatting the new digital snake oil era on here. Another job very well done. Please consider toning down on the random stock images a bit; this sort of visual fill is widely used on YT for kicking up drama by people who have nothing captivating to convey. You must be aware that you are in a different league 🙏
do youre own research, this guy dismisses and omits evidence in the same way he accuses brien of doing. The best thing to do is look at all the different viewpoints, dont become locked into one rigid set of beliefs.
@@dgafbrapman688 I have been studying historical themes for decades as a mere hobby. I can therefor conclude effortlessly that the only valid and credible viewpoint usually is the collective scientific research by people who are specialised in their respective fields through years of hard work. I myself have held beliefs propagated by popular commercial books in the past that were simply not true. Creative aspirations of hobbyists can very well be appealing and inspiring, but have become more widespread through digital media than their methodically researched academic counterparts. In my mind that is dangerous; what humanity will remember as historic truth after another few decades of mass infotainment in search of clicks and dollars is anybody’s guess.
@@mcgie2002 history proves your notion of "general consensus" wrong. Nothing is what it is anymore, science is not science, but instead, political/monetary science. In other words if it dont make money it dont make sense. In some sites they havent even dug deeper than 20 feet because, quote: "we know there is nothing deeper" its like saying youve read a book without ever turning the cover. Our sciences have become political tools to be used at will and selectively by who ever needs them to support whatever narrative they like. see anthony fauci
@@dgafbrapman688 I can see why you might think that in today’s politicised media cesspool of alternative facts. Much like a football team or political party you root for, people ‘adhere’ to a certain camp and stick to its ideological bias and preconceptions. But this systemic lack of trust in every form of authority is a powerful deceitful filter. It warps beliefs. I stay away from politics and social media frenzies; they have nothing to do with science in general, and even less with archeology and history. In the case of ‘not digging deeper’ for example, you need to know about geology, undisturbed earth layers and lack of artefacts, among other things. Anyhow. As a young man i read books by people like Bauval and Hancock, and was captivated by their ideas. By examining all theories and claims at length, i know now that all of that is farfetched, unprovable, at odds with actual findings, or downright nonsense to make a buck. But you need to do a lot of research in order to come to that conclusion, and most of us will not do that; most will just watch random videos on YT whose algorithm will then dish out even more outlandish videos... I too have watched and examined a lot of those in this way. But *it is a business model, not a library*. It is how some people have come to believe (again) that the earth is flat, or the moonlandings (all six of them!) were fake, or lizards disguised as people roam the earth, or nasa having child slaves on Mars… etc. etc. All of them obviously rely on widescale conspiracies of some kind involving millions of participants to cover it all up, despite overwhelming proof of the contrary. We can go on about this till the cows come home and start a classic infinite social media brawl, but i can’t and i won’t. I realise that there is little i can actually say on a forum like this to ultimately convince you, other than what you said to me, to examine it yourself, to read and watch at length ALL of the different angles - not just one particular set of theories that takes your fancy - and discard all unsubstantiated (or utterly fantasized) claims in the end. Which is what i’ve been doing for a very long time.
I have a friend who paid to go to the Galapogos Islands to clean rubbish off the beaches for the baby tortoises. She paid £4000 to do this. It gives you an indication of how much money can be made from retired people with a bit of spare cash. I proposed to her she just flew to the Galapagos with a roll of bin bags in her luggage but she prefered the safety of an organised trip..
Funny how our culture rewards the grifters with $$$ and adulation, which further emboldens the grift. Imagine a world where there was no need for a " debunk " video because people were educated with adequate critical thinking skills as a matter of course and would not subscribe to unsubstantiated extraordinary claims. Think of all the resources that could be better used for research into discovering more of the true history of mankind, and how better to prepare for the future we all surely face. If we could appeal to, instead of distrust and fear, curiosity and wonder and the hope in discovery...cue Donald Fagen's 1982 hit: I.G.Y, " what a beautiful world this will be, what a glorious time to be free ".
@@jamisojo I agree that the government has a role here. I think it has to do with providing education. As much as I hate the fact that pseudo science has become more popular than solid scholarship, I don't think the government can punish, or control, or censor us into using our brains correctly. People want to feel that they are educated and/or informed. People in the US in particular, on average, are not very educated about history and science. Content providers, like Brien F., Graham H., amongst a host of others, offer what seems to be a shortcut to being knowledgeable or educated. These guys give the naive permission to consider that their fantasies have equal weight to the findings of experts.
Thanks for this one, the man is a complete charlatan. It never cease to amaze me how ignorant he is on subjects he pretends to be expert on. He can't even spell Brian Forester correctly!
Thank you Professor Miano for once again giving us new information. As an avid follower of Brien Foerster, I am now forced to concede that after only 8 minutes into your vocast, you have clearly demonstrated Mayan building techniques in a new manner than what I had thought.
Hopefully you now come to the realization that Foster is a grifter. You need to unsubscribe from watching his disgusting whitewashing of History with zero evidence or facts to backup his nonsense
@@mad555555 GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. Everyone makes their own choices from what their perspective on what's good for them or not. One cannot look in another's life and insist they make choices they deem correct. We all operate from our own research; what's good for you may not conform to my standards and vice-versa.
@@tekannon7803 the first thing you have to understand is that Foster doesn't even believe his own BS. He knows he is lying. Academia knows he is lying. He knows that academia knows his lying. Academia knows that he knows that academia knows he is lying. With that knowledge, it would be pretty embarrassing for you to still think what he and his ilk says comes from a place of Truth and honesty while still believing anything they say as fact or even the slightest reliable.
I want to know know why you believe these people. How many degrees do they possess cause apparently. It would include architecture,logistics,surveying,stone masonry and metallurgy. They are also educated on working with gold,Silver and mercury.
@@enriquerodriguez6465 the followers of these grifters don't necessarily care about their credentials when speaking on things they have remedial knowledge of. It's all about how they come across and the words they use when selling their snake oil to these people that want to believe something fantastical and quite literally impossible.
Riiiight bc it makes total sense that the insanely perfect constructions using multi ton blocks would be under relatively recent PRIMITIVE construction. Yep. That's a sign of how humans have evolved and come so far LOLOLOL This isn't difficult to understand. We can't lift those blocks or create such perfection even today. We don't know how to.
@@galadrielwoods2332 absolutely untrue. We have space stations and satellites. You are using a device to watch audio video and share your opinions with the world. A level of technology infinitely more complex. Fitting and lifting stone was mastered long ago. The granite lighthouses of the UK and Ireland make the grandest polygonal work of old look rather simple. Ancient techniques are still in use today. Simple tools and techniques that the likes of Brien Foerster and co work very hard to censor from their audience. The Egyptian annual military budget over 20 years would leave $70,000 US per stone. There isn’t a building company in the world who wouldn’t jump at the profit from $US20,000 per stone. The heaviest blocks in the great pyramid are approx 80 tons. Off the shelf chain hoists allow a single person to lift 100 tons by pulling on a chain. The heaviest “megaliths” could be lifted by a road mobile crane. In quarries they regularly cut giant blocks comparable to the largest stones such as Baalbek. Then they break or cut them into smaller pieces after moving them. It is absolutely untrue we can’t do it today. Our architecture such as giant skyscrapers make piled stone lintel construction look like what it is, piled stone lintel construction. The “megalithic” builders couldn’t build a wide ceiling or allow light inside. The grand cathedrals of the medieval age are much more complex and advanced. Vaulted stone ceiling vs lintel construction is like a Ferrari vs a soap box racer.
@@SacredGeometryDecoded Absolutely true. How can we define which technologies are superior? Having advanced knowledge of the cosmos and how to harness energy and use it or some metal machines in space and cellphones? Humans today spend so much energy to create and then to maintain our civilizations whilst it appears that the ancients had such knowledge and use of energy that they created structures we cannot possibly create today and they did so with little energy. Explain the multi ton blocks that are put together so perfectly that paper cannot fit between them. No mortar. Not straight lines. Various random curves. They look melted in order to achieve it yet are not melted together. Most ancient sites have structures with the advanced building techniques of which we cannot explain on the bottom of the structures and then we see hundreds or thousands of years later people trying to rebuild them. Their layer is primitive. Uncut stones piled with mortar to keep them in place. Who were the advanced builders? How did they create what they did? Brien's questions are logical. I have the same questions. Many people do.
@@galadrielwoods2332 I not only have explained but shown examples of people doing it with primitive tech. You might want to broaden your horizons. Theirs a whole world out there.
@@galadrielwoods2332 You: "We can't lift those blocks or create such perfection even today. We don't know how to." 🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣 ua-cam.com/play/PLSSFj6Q5TZYTY2ztjDpket3xaXSbnMIXf.html
It genuinely hurts my heart to read people in this comment section supporting these conspiracy theories. Here is this excellent video - informative, well researched and cited, easy to understand... and here people are, persisting in their misunderstandings and faulty reasoning. I worry for humanity, and what will happen if we don't prioritize critical thinking, rationality, and scientific literacy in education.
It is possible for a stone wall to collapse from the inside out, but I don't think that is what we see here in the Mayan buildings.
One way to construct a drystone wall (I've done this in England) is two layers of 'good' stones on the outside, with a fill of rubble in between. On top you want a layer of capstones to keep the rain out. If rain gets in and then freezes it will slowly break down the rubble fill, until eventually the wall can collapse inwards. To rebuild the wall you can often reuse the outer stones, you just need to replace then rubble fill as you rebuild the wall.
The freezing bit probably doesn't apply at the Mayan sites, but I thought I'd mention it.
Rains a lot in Caribbean and South America. A Lot.
This is how a lot of standard brickwork was done in some more modern times. A hollow wall of nice bricks filled in with whatever was on hand from brick fragments to stone fragments to sometimes chunks of wood. Whatever would fit. And then filled in with some kind of slurry. As some of our older buildings have fallen to ruin, you can see this in the foundations and sometimes between where two buildings had been built close together. Fill is cheap, nice blocks aren't.
@@GroberWeisenstein Rain isn't necessarily a problem (though it all is eventually). Mainly it's the freezing water will run into capillaries in the rocks and freeze there. Eventually the rubble infill is just dirt and has no supporting strength. A well constructed wall keeps the rain on the outside, a poorly constructed one lets it in.
@@ziploc2000 I'm a stone mason in a severe freeze thaw zone.
@@GroberWeisenstein Sounds like you're in an ideal location!
It's a shame that so many people refuse to give credit to these ancient civilizations and their beautiful work. Actual ancient history is so fascinating. It doesn't need extra fake fluff to make it so. Another great video!
Build by aliens 😂
@@SR-zi1pw some intersting research here ua-cam.com/video/O9ZRXC95qMs/v-deo.html
Correct,.........because All Civilizations has it's Beauty and Intelligence,...!
My Pet Rock had a lot of heart.
RIP Stoney ⚰️💐💀
It's the fault of the "ancient aliens" crowd, same people who think we did not land on the moon
Trivia: in Spanish the Pyramid of the Magician is called the "Pirámide del Adivino" which more accurately translates to "Pyramid of the Seer."
The legend associated with how it got that name is pretty bonkers, too. I live in Guatemala (never been to Uxmal, but Tikal, yes) and this is actually the first time I've heard of it so I had to look it up. PS: This Foerster guy is kind of a buffoon
@@chrisbosley4685 Amen to that!
As a Latin American Studies graduate who had a minor interest in Archaeology, I want to THANK YOU for making this video.
People who misinterpret Mayan structures make me red in the face w/ anger...
I think this guy genuinely believes his ideas. I found it funny that a stonewall that he referred to as "Inca repair work" was actually done very recently as there was an old photograph of the wall without that stonework.
He's bankrolling. I think he believes in that a lot.
I don't think he believes it, not even slightly.
He's too good at monetising it all to be truly doing it as a 'believer'.
@@mnomadvfx what you say is most likely the case because the majority of these grifter's do not believe what they say. I have to say, he does come across as somebody that does believe in his own BS.
@@WildAlchemicalSpirit AHA!
Grifter!
Enuf of what he observes is legit, the issue is the assumptions of what people could do or what tools they have.
Questions I never tire of hearing: "HoW cOuLd ThEy CuT sToNe WiThOuT mEtAl??"
We should have some fun with the pseudohistory crowd. Can we get them to ask "how did they grow crops without fertilizer?"
The better question is " How can you cut stone with metal?" stone cuts stone
I never get tired of the GOOD 'OL "It's true cause the, bileBull, Siad it's SO", Bigotry Indocturnation Before Legitamate EDUCATION, so NOT FACT or Truth..3billion ALIEN Worshipper's, on one🤔😵💫=🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@albinopolarbear8229 A chisel and a hammer. A hammer drill. A jack hammer. Explosives.
How did they cut the hard stone though?
No offence to this guy's followers but if I was on a tour and the tour guide opened with "this is the Pyramid of the Wizards, I don't know why they call it that" I don't think I'd be impressed.
Especially when the real explanation is a) super-cool and b) practically custom-made to be hijacked by alternative historians.
Don't worry they can't read your comment.
My response would be: “you can’t even take an educated guess?”
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@@TheMoneypresident 😂
Just wanna say as someone of native decent (not mesoamerican specifically but still) I am so sick of everyone trying to take credit for the accomplishments of my ancestors and their neighbors. As a kid I yearned to learn as much as I could about my ancestors’ forgotten history and their traditions, just to be told “actually white people did that” it’s so infuriating!
I had it hit me, as an archaeology student, how disturbing it must be for Native people knowing how their ancestors were killed by white people to then watch white people come along later asking "how did all of this end up this way?" "who were the builders?" etc. and then be like, "we must find out, we must dig it up." It made me reconsider my field direction. I don't want to dig up people's grandparents looking for answers.
How messed up is it for white people to go killing them in the first place but then also to come along digging everybody up, thinking they can find answers and interpreting someone else's culture? It seems like hubris. Maybe if people's grandparents hadn't been massacred there'd be a lot more answers. I think Native people have suffered enough and it's really not some other culture's place to go digging around and interpreting the history of the Native people. That's where I'm at with it.
@@WildAlchemicalSpirit But most pre-columbian archaeology is made by locals who became archaeologists, is it not?
Archaeology is not hubris, is science. It helps us all better understand the past and it would be a pity to ignore it. I can understand the problem for the small native american communities who want their graves left alone, but for large civilizations, like the Inca and Maya, where is the controversy?
If anything, it's insulting to the locals to propose their ancestors were too primitive to create the ruins remaining, like Forester and his conmen friends are doing.
Just to clarify, as someone of NA descent as well, and having watched multiple videos challenging the conventional wisdom of who built various structures throughout the America's, I haven't come across any that suggest Caucasians were the actual builders. What is most common, is the suggestion that earlier native cultures performed what appears to be more refined work. This is particularly common with Peruvian sites like Sacsayhuaman or Macchu Picchu.
Recently I met a man from Peru and was speaking to him about some of those sites. He told me many people in Peru believe aliens were involved in some of the more detailed building work. Not necessarily performing the work, but giving knowledge to the locals. Particularly the Nazca. I thought he was joking but he was totally serious.
@@unrealuknow864 I’ve seen it, it is very rare nowadays and I tend to see it more with obscure tribes that don’t really have a voice. The people who spew it now tend to not be taken seriously but I know I’ve seen people claim caucains built the mounds in Virginia I believe it was (sorry if I’m getting it wrong). My mother in law also believes that “tall light skinned red haired giants built the monolithic structures in America because native people too dumb” which to me just sounded like some back handed way of saying white people did it. I also know she’s subbed to youtubers who spew that
@@WildAlchemicalSpirit I get what you mean. And digging up old remains has bothered me for years. That being said, the ones who stole native land to begin with are all dead now. And modern archaeologists may or may not have ancestors who conquered. More recent immigrant families had nothing to do with it. Some ppl today descend from the ones who colonized/mass murdered and so forth, while some have no connections at all. So, I try and not generalize too much about such things.
That being said, i do find it troubling to see ancient remains dug out of where they were ceremonially laid. Something about it just feels off to me. I'd love it if we had more non-invasive technological ways of examining what's buried.
Great video keep them coming. These charletans have fooled people for to long. There are a few more of these guys, your doing a great job.
Indeed.
There will always be people of lower brain function and closed minds. Just like the flat earthers who can't comprehend there's a lot more than just what you can see, a round earth and hundreds of thousands of people including NASA are not out to deceive us, but actually exploring possibilities.. people who call themselves historians like this douche don't know history, they assume history. Blind following the blind.
I love a good charletan, but this forrester guys a real honk-shoe. Snoooze fest. If youre gonna do tours about fake archeology, you gotta spice it up a bit. Put a little zazz in there. Throw up some jazz hands. The other people who do these kinds of things are like "this bowl could be part of a levitation array used to carry large megaliths with very little effort. And these holes were obviously made by laser beams powered by subterranian water pressure and piezo electricity. Did you notice this massive box? Its the perfect dimentions and materials to act as a battery." Old timey Carnivals did it right. If youre gonna lie to someone, you gotta give them a good show.
Only fools get fooled. The people who are fooled by fairytales are generally low IQ and wouldn't contribute to research anyway. Let them believe in fairytales, it literally changed nothing of importance for the field lol
@@ErisApplebottom Uxmal looks really fun- all they need is a paint job, a roller coaster and a cocktail bar!
Happy to find your site. Foerster came to Central America and Mexico after several years milking Peru and the Inka. His claims struck me as ill-founded and I called him on it.
He presents himself as a "scientist" but when i asked where and when his works had been published and peer reviewed he had no answer.
When he again stated "i am a scientist" i replied "i thought you were a tour guide.
He withdrew.
There is a site close to a live of petroglyphs and I was very interested how the were made and read a study and tried recreating one myself. The process was as easy as finding a piece of granite with a sharp point and using it to smash a design into a outcropping of marble. Shaping a soft stone with a hard stone is just time and effort.
I don’t know...
I recently went to Washington D.C. and I saw a really tall stone monolith. The building stones were so close together, it was so tall, and even had flashing lights at the top that could be seen at nighttime. Naturally I assumed that a highly advanced ancient civilization MUST have built it in Egypt some 13 to 20,000 years ago, and somehow transported it here. No, I didn't even think to research it - I like my story better.
@Mr Barrister -- careful, sir. - You may have give Brian Foerster his next touring idea..
Its almost like you have 2 brain cells to rub together and then you read your post and realize you dont.
When is your next tour? I need to see this and have a guide who can tell a good story even if it's just fiction 😀
The Washington memorial is not a MONOlith though. It's made of many stones.
@@Music-xp5wg It has a monolithic _aspect_
Thanks for great video. I wonder how much Foerster is actually invested in his beliefs? They run from lazy to the truly inspired harebrained but have always this kind of fuzzy, ill-defined alt-narrative of ancient cataclysm, lost civilizations, and 'megalithic' culture. He'll throw in the occasional star gate, magnetic anomaly, and New Age-y type of stuff as well with contradictions and nonsensical conclusions at every megalithic turn.
its all about money
I have a Brien Foerster story. Just out of curiosity I enquired about one of his tours. I received lots of emails from him quoting prices "special permission costs" and what not. As soon as I started asking a few a questions and it became apparent I was not just going to hand over my money....communication stopped. I had no intension of going on a Brien F tour, I just wanted to know what degree he would go to... to get my money. I used to watch him because I like seeing peoples travels around the world, but he just repeats the same thing over and over regardless of where he is. At least he spared us the "energy or resonance in the stones" nonsense in this one. WOA, a very balanced and well researched vid from you as always....CONGRATS on 50k Subs !!!!
In the video below, I had replied to a comment from another viewer to say that there are online examples showing how flint can be used to work granite. Foerster jumped in to challenge me to provide a link. I immediately added a link from Scientists Against Myths. I didn't notice for a while that he had blocked my reply from public view. ua-cam.com/video/-Q1Vv6MK5Es/v-deo.html
Dollar bills ya’ll.
@@annascott3542 Yes Anna, I was quoted $6,000 for me and my partner to go on the Egyptian tour. I can't remember if it was a week or ten days. We worked out we could do it for a third of that on our own. So basically people are paying thousands of dollars for the privilege of walking around with Brien Foerster watching him make YT vids...and even more money doing so.
You weren't kidding that he doesn't even know the basics: Trying to assert that the interior structural fill of a building and the outer facing finer brickwork is because of the latter being from an "older civilization" is laughable. You mentioned how this is typical Maya construction, but it's not even that, it's the typical MESOAMERICAN construction process in general: Rough stone and mortar fill, finer outer bricks, then layer of smooth stucco and decoratives like paint, reliefs, sculptures, etc. The idea that the Maya in particular didn't build their structures is funny considering many have inscriptions detailing under what year/ruler they were made! It's also silly because there ARE cases of Mesoamerican civilizations reusing and refurnishing older structures from earlier societies which people could talk about instead, such as the Aztec's renovations of Teotihuacano shrines and the excavations they did in them, bringing back luxary goods into Tenochtitlan, and the working of Teotihuacan into their mythology and adopting it's artistic, architectural., and urban design principals... but since I guess historians and archeologists already attest to that, it's not exotic enough.
Anyways, I'm actually pretty interested in those papers you mentioned documenting the development of Mesoamerican construction techniques over time: Obviously techniques changed and would have been iterated on, like Earthen Pyramids are common in the Preclassic/Formative and not the CLassic/Postclassic, but I've never really bothered to read into how what I take for granted as the "standard" construction process I and you both explained was arrived at. Got any specific suggestions for papers beyond what you showed off? (I also didn't know that the fill used softer limestone then the exterior blocks, though I imagine that's not applicable outside of the Maya area, considering that volcanic rock was used for a lot of sites in Central Mexico even with the same construction method... though maybe there's softer volcanic rocks? Not a geologist!)
A related topic I've also been curious about is the categorization of different architectural styles: The Puuc style mentioned in this video is the only "named' Maya style I know of, and i'm curious if there are others beyond that, or say the Mixteca-Puebla/International style seen in painted art in Central Mexico/Oaxaca and some Norhern Maya sites in the Postclassic, etc. A part of me wonders if the "blockier" style of sculpture seen on Teotihuacano and Zapotec sculptures/ceramics from the Classic period represents a similar in-vogue style at the time, and I guess the consensus is also these days that "Olmec" style art seen in areas outside the Olmec heartland was the same?
Also, what's the art at 13:47 from?
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@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks! one of these days I should send you a emai, I have a ton of photos I've taken at museums, or art from out of print book,s or by Mesoamerican artists I have rapport with they're cool with their work being used that I'd be happy to send over for you to use in videos.
Not only is it typical mesoamerican construction, it's a globally common construction method because it's frankly obvious to most people tasked with building big stone buildings
It's more impressive that the Maya with rudimentary tools created some of the most beautiful buildings and architecture of historic past that have lasted for centuries even through earthquakes and hurricanes, whereas us today require advanced technologies and yet our works tend to age quickly in comparison and not last as long.
What tools?
@@fairhall001 rudimentary, simple, primitive, basic, etc...
@@hankrearden20 Yeah you know, the type that can move and shape a several ton, to several hundred ton block so precisely not even a sheet of paper can be slid between the joint; something seen as impossible with modern tools. But youre right, just simple, primitive tools. Nothing crazy
Hehehe the blind are dumb and they love it, they go with the crowd, never question their masters
@@dgafbrapman688 You know, we can do that too, using primitive tools. Might want to look into that, and quit watching conspiracy videos because you have no grasp on our ancient past. So many people underestimate them, but why? They weren’t stupid, they were extremely hard workers, strong willed and built many wonderful works of great skill and creativeness. Btw, those joints aren’t supposed to be separated, you know. Why the hell would you leave a big gap inbetween? Latching on to irrelevant things like that are the bread and butter for pseudo archaeology.
I took my Dad when he was visiting to see Stonehenge. We took a tour with an official guide.
The guide started his introduction by claiming that Stonehenge was the oldest and most important ancient monument in the world. When I questioned him on this, saying that the Great Pyramid was 500 years older and The Ness of Brodgar in Scotland and Newgrange in Ireland were hundreds of years older he said that was rubbish.
and he was right, you were wrong LOL what you mixed up due to lack of understanding was that stonehenge was started about 7000BC oreven 9000bc if you want to count the post holes for sky buriels and the final changes made around 2200bc according to archeologists, although even that last date is subject to interpretation
@@hawklord100 The important words here being "if you want to count". Why would you want to count them? They are not recognized as being part of Stonehenge, they are just proof of there being human activity at the same site a couple of thousand years earlier but other than the location there is no connection or continuity between them and Stonehenge. The Stonehenge circle itself was started around 3000 BC, which indeed makes it about 500 years older than the Great Pyramid and not the other way around like @PanglossDr said, so on that they were wrong, but they were right about the other two sites that are in fact older than Stonehenge.
There's also Göbekli Tepe which is actually from 9000 BC, so yeah Stonehenge is not the oldest monument in the world.
@@HellbillyWizard What we all think of as "Stonehenge", the circle of standing stones and lintels, are only a fraction of the site. According to the UNESCO World Heritage Convention site, World Heritage property Stonehenge, Avebury and Associated Sites (closely placed sites) - - -
"The survival of the Neolithic and Bronze Age monuments at both Stonehenge and Avebury is exceptional and remarkable given their age - they were built and used between around 3700 and 1600 BC. Stone and earth monuments retain their original design and materials. The timber structures have disappeared but postholes indicate their location. Monuments have been regularly maintained and repaired as necessary."
-- and --
"The Avebury and Stonehenge landscapes are extensive, both being around 25 square kilometres, and capture the relationship between the monuments as well as their landscape setting."
PS: Göbekli Tepe is not a monument, but a town/city. There are older cities than that, too. See Dr Miano's video on the earliest known cities in the world.
Stonehenge isn't finished yet. It would have been but we couldn't decide on the paint job. 😶
I thoroughly agree with the idea of calling out charlatans when necessary David.
Excellent feature sir.
They get away with so much. It is satisfying--and not at all rude--to give them their comeuppance.
why do the same structures appear all around the world in particular huge stone walls with the amazing building technique and have those knobs on them, same can be seem from Egypt to Peru. please explain
@@theend9494 Similar printing type and letter press process of printing was invented independently in China/Korea and Germany only 300ish years apart. 1200ish CE in eastern Asia and 1450 CE in Germany… just as an example… and a little more complicated than cutting stone blocks.
It is assumed that the main reason that it didn’t take off in east Asia was because they had too many different characters in their writing. Too impractical… but the invention was there, none the less.
Practical coincidence, but the various stone cutting techniques from Egypt are a few thousand years ahead of the stones cut in the New World - ie Peru… according to trained archaeologists and historians.
The producer of the video is a charlatan.
@@69sidewinder Why? Please expand with some tangible evidence.
Thanks again Champion. Enjoyable content again that slipped my gaze the last 9 months.
Thank you!
This channel has made me realize how ridiculous the "ancient advanced tech" idea really is. I was fully convinced by these pseudo science "facts". Thank you for opening my eyes.
You're absolutely right. Tour guides in canyon de chelle still claim the Navarro drove the ancient Pueblo inhabitants out, when we know that when the Navarro arrived they only found ruins that have been long deserted. The Navarro tour guide got very upset with me claiming that they're own Navarro scientists found different results. Thank you for taking the time to educate the general public. Please excuse my grammar, my native tounge is German.
Your English is perfect.
Your grammar is fine! Take out the first comma and replace the second with a semicolon…that’s punctuation though.
I saw "rubble on top, shaped blocks on the bottom" at Pompeii. In fact, the pattern was repeated at Ostia Antica and Hadrian's Villa. Would he make the same conclusions about the Romans?
Yes, he would, others of his ilk already do.
Ostia Antica - now there's a place often overlooked but well worth a visit.
Yeah, at Baalbek particularly.
I do watch that guy from time to time because I enjoy seeing tours of the areas. I have filed what he says, along with things I have studied. I enjoy your perspective however there is, in my opinion, a grain of truth underlying some of these concepts of ancient architecture that may predate or should amend some of the currently mainstream ideas.
Just saying my random two cents
I dont know what grain youre referring to, but i respect you for looking at opposing view points. I think thats healthier than taking someone at their word. Even if theyre right, its good to ask yourself why you think theyre right.
@@ErisApplebottom the knobs on blocks are in the west and east and the weird cut corner blocks. There was communication between the west and east
@@phira8715 thats interesting. I dont think that would rule out the possibility of parallel thinking tho. There are only so many ways to cut a corner. Some people are going to come to the same conclusion. Especially if its visually appealing. What were the knobs for?
@@ErisApplebottom not sure exactly, there are many hypothesis...my gut tells me that it was during curing of the rocks in bags. I have not gone too in depth to find analysis of rock composition, but understanding the broad use of mortars it could be a form of "petrified" cement.
If it was this method, it would be civilization specific most likely which would rule out dual discovery. The Egyptian seems to pre date the north American which causes me to suspect a sea migration, however Egyptian vessels are not meant for open waters, but the technology was available to them most likely..but he we are, in hypothetical if conditions based on other ifs...much like our " ancient machining guys"
@@phira8715 do you cure rocks in bags? are you talking about like concrete?
Foerster is so full of crap. These people are making a lot of money from UA-cam, seminars, group holidays to Egypt, books, they don’t look at real archaeology because then they wouldn’t have an income and they KNOW IT.
your channel is such a masterpiece. few youtube history channels are run by such a knowledgable historian.
I think your channel would take off with more 10-15 minute archaeology explainers coupled with the awesome footage you post from sites.
These reactions to crackpot ancient aliens conspiracists are great tho so dont stop.
Not merely a man of deep knowledge and champion of the scientific method but an intellectual savage who dismantles pretenders with class. The truth/ facts are precious gifts to humanity..this man engages pseudo-science without fear and I fully approve.
He is too befuddled by christianity.
@@davidclark573 - What is that supposed to mean? This video was about the Mayans and their architectural practices, not Christianity. He didn't even go into MAYAN religious beliefs!
Omg, these early comments are concerning. But I guess it's a good sign that your vids are getting out to the conspiracy theorists/ alternative history believers. 👍🙂
Labeling other ideas as conspiracies in an attempt to make them irrelevant is low-level thinking. This is typical of someone who is emotional, whose thinking is narrow, or who has concluded beliefs.
@@ccoodd26 well they are conspiratorial because they imply there's some great cover up done by "mainstream historians" which is just "experts espousing the dogma" when in actuality academics/scientists literally only make a name for themselves by finding something new or proving an existing hypotheses wrong. . And David Miano does properly address the arguments rather then calling you conspiracists. There are no cheap tactics being used here.
This Brien guy reminds of that "Bright Insight" guy, who today showed a picture of a quarried stone with a cut at the bottom of it and claimed "it was proof Ancient Egyptians used power tools to cut so pricisely." He didn't say where the stone was, when it was photographed, when it was quarried or cut, and who quarried and cut it. Most of the comments were like this:
"I'm a stonemason, and I'll tell you that only a stonemason in modern times could have quarried and cut that stone like that. So, in conclusion, it was quarried and cut by an ancient race of aliens that had a civilisation that encompassed the globe." I mean, talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill, the grift is too easy for these charletons, some people will even believe that you can nuke Mars to terraform it.
how did that muppet made it to Joe Rogan is still beyond me...
he and Bright Insight are buddies and frequently go on tours together. BI idolized Foerster before they eventually hooked up and started "working" together.
@@Vishanti
That certainly explains much, thanks for this!
I had some fun in the comments of that video.
@@Eyes_Open
I'm sure you did! Just one tiny question and their whole house of cards falls down.
Excellent commentary and analysis, very informative. I've watched many archeological videos and agree with your conclusions.
Thanks
Thank you!
@@WorldofAntiquity 👍
I actually been a volunteer tour guide and it's not easy because not only do you have to keep a smile on your face, but you have to know what you are talking about especially now when anyone with a smart phone can look up information about the area. I also taken tours of places and even found things that the tour guide was wrong about but that was because as you said you can not know everything. The great thing is when the guide was asked a question he answered I don't know but I will find out and let you know what the answer was. He did after the break to buy things found out the answer. Myself I find local guides tend to be more involved with letting people understand the artifacts and locations better than others and mostly travel agencies guides tend to be the best. While I do like the fantasy alternative history as it makes it interesting and it was what got me into learning more about history so they do have a place in making people want to learn more about these things.
I believe that, when properly presented by science communicators, the reality of history is entirely fascinating enough to incite interest without having to resort to fantasy. The fact that not enough people have the critical thinking skills to see through the fantasy to start with is a huge problem.
Watching this AFTER watching all those pseudo history channels feels like breathing fresh mountain air after living a month in a tiny apartment in a polluted Chinese city, upstairs from a restaurant.
I am prepping a video on Ollantaytambo where Brien and co ask how did they lift the stones to the complex, it’s a mystery.
The thing is they take photos from the top of a ramp that leads directly to the location. “How did they drag this stone up a mountain?”
You can’t miss the ramp.
Same with the quarry. Los of academics this and that but the quarry is well studied, even marked on google earth. Yet they keep pointing to the mountain top and cliffs insisting g that is where it is.
It’s a rock fall quarry with ramps and slides that are still clearly visible.
We all make mistakes but these guys are charlatans. They lie about the academic position, or lie about being familiar with it, and then hide behind a question mark.
Bright Insight even tries to take the trees away from the Inca, I am pretty sure it’s based on Graham Hancock.
Either way they all “just ask questions” about how to get the stones on site literally standing on the top end of the ramp. It’s impossible to miss. There’s a giant retaking wall supporting it.
Not one of them mentions it after all these years.
It’s snake oil and the lost high tech types are retreating as each of their claims and challenges get answered.
They’ll always have an audience but the free run they had of things is over.
About all they have left is “don’t be mean” after so long disparaging with snarky commentary.
I believe cry bully is the term.
You reap what you sow and the bitter herbs they planted are being fed to them.
Even with a ramp there is no clear technology showing how they moved stones that are several tonnes or more. With today's technology, with a quick google search,"As a general rule of thumb, tower cranes can lift up to 20 tonnes, while mobile cranes could potentially lift anywhere from 10 to 60 tonnes, depending on their size and mobility." So you're lying to say that in a bronze age world stones this size and larger were being moved around without providing any of your own proof. Thus the opening for conjecture and the postulation of an alternative theory, like that ancient civilisations did have iron.
@@fairhall001 “even with a quick google search.” Yeah that’s your problem right there.
Just because you are ignorant and lazy doesn’t mean I am a liar.
I bring the receipts and a first page google search is not something to boast about in public.
Moving stones of that size with technology no advanced than ropes and levers was common place.
@@fairhall001 Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. Archimedes.
Who says they lifted every stone, btw? Seriously, who?
@@heisag I don't think Archimedes was up to speed on physics, he may have meant well but I don't think he knew what a microwave was let alone how people with no iron moved stones weighing 1000 tonnes.
@@fairhall001 Let's try again. Who says they lifted every stone?
Isn't it fascinating how obsessed these guys are with masonry being "tight-fitting", as though that took lasers or something? And Foerster would find that Roman buildings also have nice masonry on the outside and rubble or brick on the inside, and it has nothing to do with chronology.
One of the greatest disappointments of my gaining knowledge was how poorly everything is constructed behind what you see. Take auto body repair, they make what you can see look beautiful and the inside is trash. When I took a job building cabinets I realized only the outside you see is built well, the inside is made of inferior material and done to a lower standard. When I got into the building trades I realized whole buildings from the late 1800s to modern day are literally built on the same premise. If every aspect of construction was to the highest degree, the cost and time to construct would make it impossible. This problem clearly existed for ancient civilizations too.
YESSS! My favourite thing. Lol
This bloke, like others, uses the term “Megalithic” not for describing large stones but for a (undefined) period or era in history. I too have visited many of these sites in Belize, Guatemala and Mexico’s Yucatan. It drives me mad to see white ignoramuses disparaging the Mayans, just as they do all the other brown people who built amazing edifices the world over. Note how they never question who built Stonehenge or other stone circles in Europe. Hmmm, I wonder why?
Another great video David, cheers mate.
P.S. please take a look at the comment that somebody made underneath mine on your “short debunking” vid from the other day. You acknowledged my comment. The new comment is unbelievable. Lol
Thanks for watching!
Nobody knows who built Stonehenge so all that can be done about it is guessing. It is not about the color of skin either it is more about the size of the creatures and their strength that makes a more logical investigation. Humans today are just too small and weak to be able to move stones like the ones in Baalbek temple complex or the Millions of stones in the great Pyramid.
@@KevinR242 K2019
@@KevinR242 Creatures? Lmfao
By the way, We *Do* know which people built Stonehenge, in several stages, over a thousand years, with additions and alterations occurring as culture and beliefs changed over time. We know the chronological order of construction phases and have found the remains of the people who built it. We have even found remains of their Solstice feasting. Both types of remains have been analysed and Carbon 14 dated, along with other methods, to arrive at the agreed dates which have been published in Scientific Publications and peer reviewed. All this data is available to the public, so I’d take a look if I were you before you make any silly statements….. oops, you’re too late for that I’m afraid mate. But it’s never too late to learn and be mature and humble enough to admit mistakes. After all, you are probably only repeating what some unqualified grifter told you I should think.
@@ArmyJay The subject was the color of their skin, but your opinion on history means less to science than the color of your skin.
I am a PhD Geologist and led a number of adventure-travel trips to the Yucatan. Brian is completely wrong. Most of the limestone is Quaternary age and much of it is very soft. It is all composed of calcite having a hardness of 3/10. Chemical replacement in the limestone formed chert (flint) nodules throughout the area; this was used widely for tools. Chert has a hardness of 7/10 and can easily cut, scrape, shape the limestone. As well, Classic Maya construction commonly used stucco on the walls so super fine carving and smoothing was not needed. This is all well known, but Brian chooses not to do so.
Really? I would like to hear more, can the flint form what looks like a stratified layer? I ran into said layer in Texas back in the 70's and it has haunted my mind all these years. I thought it had to have some vulcanism to it.
@@georgyporgy777 Don't ya know, I often wonder if just about everyone has lost it. Maybe Dr. da2ra just went off on vacation... I got an answer to one question : www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=pHHQMM66xtA&start=2245&end=2754&loop=1
@@georgyporgy777 simple challenges? Who's challenging who? It seemed like a simple curious question to me?
Thank you dat2ra.....a voice or reason. If Brien Foerster was in a McDonalds in New York I guarantee he would still find a "megalith" in there somewhere and attribute it to peoples unknown who left no trace of their existence....peace to ya bud.
Bingo. Faccades
I have seen one of his short videos about obelisk in Egypt. It appeared high on the list and had good footage of obelisk itself. It quickly became obvious, however, he makes baseless and irrational claims. I thought he was an enthusiastic but clueless tourist. Later I learned he is one of the prominent pseudo archeologists, so I spotted it blindly with minimum bias.
Any argument that says, "The conventional theory is wrong so some alternative theory that I can't provide any details on must be true." can be dismissed immediately. Foerster is giving us an argument from ignorance. He can't understand how the Mayans did it so it must have been somebody else, but he can't say who did it or when it was done.
I think Forester heard ‘megalithic’ somewhere, found it to be a very attractive word and starting associating it to every ancient structure to call them old
Megalith or large stone is a common enough word. Used usually where the level of masonry doesn't match with the technology known to have existed in the timeframe set by archeology not just as a reference to large well fitted stones.
@@fairhall001 *used by cranks and charlatans as a dogwhistle to their marks who know it refers to the bs conspiracy theory. Right.
“Megalith” as a “common enough” word just means large stone. No more.
Your lot use “megalithic”, In a not common at all way, as a very specific bit of pseudo-esoteric jargon to refer to a fake period of history and your enormous, racist Argument From Incredulity fallacy about how brown people couldn’t build such nice things.
@@joearnold6881 "My lot"? I think you are bonkers. No one mentioned anything about "brown people" nor did anyone doubt that brown people could have built large stone constructions. I think you are trying to insult people using hair brained connections to racism.
@@Jordi_Llopis_i_Torregrosa96 Mega = large, lithic = stone. How is the video not showing large stones bub 🦃
@@fairhall001 He's using megalithic in a concrete term as if it were a particular cultural trait as opposed to simply describing what the materials are. There is no "megalithic" culture or time period. it isnt a global unifier to use large stones.
Mayan pre-classic and classic period architecture (classic period was 200 AD to 800 AD) is unquestionably some of the most beautiful building design from either antiquity or contemporary times.
The temple of Kukulkan at Chichen Itza is astounding and might, somewhat surprisingly, be more iconic than Tzacualli Tonatiuh (temple of the sun) at Teotihuacan (my personal favorite pyramid on earth). Buildings #1 and #2 at Calakmul are unbelievable. The sheer bulk of building #1 leaves me without descriptive language.
One last one. The central area in front of the temple of the Jaguar at Tikal is magical, simply looking at it via photo fills you with thoughts and feelings of the numinous. I know they intended their architecture to complement their religious beliefs, but the wonderful thing is that even if you don't practice the ancient Maya religious system you are still filled with epiphanies of the numinous by merely being in the presence of these designs.
For someone to take that away from a culture that still has 6 million speakers of the Mayan language family, by claiming a more advanced civilization accomplished these outstanding feats, is simply ignorance on display, broadcast to the world for the purpose of letting us know who's ideas to completely disregard and ignore.
P.S. this fraudster needs a dictionary, or a phone to call me so I can explain what a megalith actually is because he is so far off from identifying an actual megalithic structure I nearly feel bad for him; not really though, because his narration was excessively obnoxious. Also, to the professor who conducted this debunking, excellent work. Bravo
I'm happy to speak to you about this, can you explain to me how they built it.
@@bobmuneer7829 - Intelligence, design sensitivity, creativity, planning, and hard work. They generally used quarries that weren't far from the building sites, for example.
Also actually watching the video will help you out.
Please never change! "...theyre little, but big at heart." had me rolling. Thanks for not pulling any punches. Ive mentioned before how I like to hear about alternate ideas while theyre being debunked, but you always do it with a degree of grace and subtle humor that just brightens my day. Thank you doing this important work
Very important that these videos exist, the layman (like me) can easily believe a video like briens, just because of a lack of knowledge on the topic. Thanks David. Hope you will do another field trip someday, really enjoyed the previous ones.
@timvw01 - Greetings and Happy New Year! You might find it helpful to compare the structures as they exist today in their state of restoration with the way they looked before. It is fairly easy to find some of those old black and white photos on the 'net. You will readily see what Dr Minao is talking about regarding more recent restoration work NOT being "degenerated" ancient Mayan skill.
I don’t think you intended for this thumbnail to be as comical is it is to me but for some reason the “Riffing” caption with the look on his face has me in tears 😂
Another great video! It really bugs me when people see work of differing qualaties and assume they are produced by different cultutes... or even different people. In my own body of work not everything is made to the same quality... sometimes clients value speed or lower price and so this has an impact of the quality of individual products.
That actually made me dumber reading that.
@@mr.dragoncrypto4138 you'd better not watch Mr forester's video... You won't have enough brain cells left to function.
@@mr.dragoncrypto4138 Kris's comment made perfect sense.
The same people could easily build in two different styles. That isn't weird.
@jamisojo No, it actually doesn't make any sense. These structures were created by separate cultures. It makes absolutely no sense. Did the Roman's go from columns and concrete and go back to unshaped rock and mud bricks. Just shut th fuck up with your ignorance
Researchers and scholars think they are made by different cultures not because of what they “see” but because of MANY other factors that are never mentioned in UA-cam videos - likely because acknowledging how research is REALLY done would cost them a lot of money selling fake stuff.
I’d be willing to bet that almost no one who believes what they see in UA-cam videos that goes against “mainstream” archeology/history/anthropology actually knows what the knowledge in those fields is actually based on or how those fields operate.
In response to something you said at the beginning you're always nice: even when you're not, especially when you're refuting bad information, please keep doing what you're doing!! Love it!!
Except that people always get upset by his light sarcasm. Except me. More vitriol please.
Hi David, thanks for the video, you finally got your hands on Foerster, he's really one of the main charlatans of today, if I don't mention UnchartedX, Bright Inside, ...others. Foerster's videos can only be watched with the sound turned off, because his BS are unlistenable. I would be very happy if you continue with his other videos, because you always create an instructional work with a lot of scientific and archeological arguments and that is always pleasant to watch. Wish you a happy New Year. Martin from Slovakia.
People forget how skilled someone can get just by making the same things over and over. With experience the simplest of tools can create amazing things.
Simple tolls can’t carve granite though. A steel chisel isn’t a simple tool for the simple fact that it’s metal. Creating metal tools is t simple
@@manbearpig710 A piece of flint is a fairly simple tool, and it can carve granite.
How did the Inca move a 100 tonne rock down a mountain , across a river and 1/2 way up the opposite mountain at ollantaytambo
Sadly, there is easier money in telling people fancyful bs than there is in the real history
What’s real history ? What modern academia tells you ? These ancient sites were obviously re inhabited.
@@newjerseyjustin Real history is supported by actual evidence, you know?
That´s the thing you can´t provide
It seems that people like Mr. Foerster are not interested in diligent scholarship or research as this does not bring in cash from gullible fools. Keep up the good work Dr. Miano
These are the kind of people that would look at an American city and conclude that the primitive wooden house dwellers, discovered skyscrapers built by alien giants, with antigravity technology.
I have always enjoyed Brians's work and videos but feel a little deflated after watching this video. But sometimes the truth of something is a bitter pill to swallow but necessary for progress. Thanks for the video.
what I will never understand about these ancient civs that supposedly had technology to rival ours is why they were building usig giant blocks of stone when they would have had access to plastics, glass, steel etc?
whereas its exactly the material you would expect lower tech civs to use to make large buildings...
Well because obviously giant stone blocks are required for the free energy Tesla buildings. Everyone knows from middle school science class that with large amounts of limestone, and granite, and some water, you’ll get a superconductor alien tech thingy….it’s all very technical.
The guy isn't clueless, he's just running a scam. Brian knows that fiction sells better then the truth.
I often wonder that. Do these guys really believe this crap.
@@Leeside999 I honestly think they don't but know it sells.
Nonsense. This video is garbage. This guy has to be from a University. They are clueless.
Just ask Graham Hancock.
I've enjoyed of few of Brien's videos as they have provided some great shots of interesting areas & ancient sites. But recently, after watching one of his videos where he makes a comment about large stones (megalithic) being "thrown" from their previous position, I finally questioned him about this....how did he know it was "thrown"? His response was to tell me to visit the site personally & see "the obvious". In many of his videos, Brien states his opinion in a manner that indicates that he expects the viewer to take it as fact. When questioned about it, he will not (or cannot) support his claim.
I hope David will continue to shine a light on these charlatans. While I'm willing to listen with an open mind about the possibility of ancient, undiscovered civilizations or long-lost cataclysmic events, I'd like those speaking about it to at least be able to provide a coherent explanation to support their contention.
Ya... go and visit the site with him, personally. Obviously!
@@annascott3542 That'll be $5000pp please.
...plus airfare, of course.
I've watched (and mostly enjoyed) plenty of his content over the years, but unsubscribed - because at some point he started to prattle on about the possibility of moving immense stones with vocal sounds.
Then his tours started to fill up with folks toning (humming) in sacred sites. Obviously, he has his devout followers.
@@annascott3542 Agreed. I'm willing to listen to Graham Hancock as I think he does research to back his claims. But there seem to be far too many liars, like Brien, who take advantage of our collective laziness. Bravo to Brien for finding a way to make money from lazy people.
I don't really understand why these alternate history nutjobs could not grasp that ancient civilizations like egytians, ancient mesopotamians, greeks, romans, mayans, indus valley, ancient chinese, etc despite having primitive tools had very sophisticated civilizations and very sophisticated techniques by which they built all those marvels. You don't need modern heavy machinery to built those.. just a good organization of humans, sophisticated techniques and time can build those ancient marvels as well.
What are these techniques and what is the process and organisation? You are grifting on behalf of the creationist. To assert you must have evidence or proof, of which you have failed to provide any again. Where are the tools needed? This isn't just South America but worldwide..
@@fairhall001 watch the video you will find some.
@@safi164 The only tools I am finding are in the comments section. Even those tools don't cut the mustard, let alone granite.
@@fairhall001 ok fine lizard 🦎 people made it happy now.
Wrong. Ancient Aliens, all of it a d including humans and hybrids.
Fax.
''Brien Foerster CLUELESS about Maya Buildings'' We know,.
How you managed to fill 25 mins with that is impressive, but how much you must have watched and worked on to do so without hours of his 'expertise' to send viewers to sleep with is why we follow ...
He's a tour guide with a theme.
You're a mine of insight ... and your reference links begin to give rise to suggest you have enough material to construct a very useful online links library and certainly save ME a lot of unfruitful search time.
[Yes, there is at least one of his lectures online I defy anyone not to nod off during if you're not one of his more avid fans.]
You should go on one of his tours undercover with a hidden camera and challenge his false statements. That would be a good show
My grandmother ran a tour bus during the summer for tourists and she shamelessly made up stories anytime someone asked her about something she didn’t know, but also she didn’t go to historical sites as far as I’m aware, at least, and her stories were at least entertaining.
My mother says it was stressful to help her on these tours because she couldn’t stand to do something like that and had to study a ton to try to actually have answers.
Congrats on 50k subs!
Thank you!
History is complicated and Brien Foerster is a simple man. He's great, not because his ideas or intellect, but because he takes the time to uncover and share info on a vast amount of fascinating ancient sites no one ever heard of, as well as the famous ones. He takes you there and you can do the thinking. He does it partly for profit by organizing his tours, partly out of genuine interest.
It does not make the claim that all these magnificent buildings were built with primitive tools plausible.
Glad someone says the truth half of his knowledge he makes up!
The dude with the devil sticks in the background of his video adds to his credibility. Look at that SKILL.
When we are ill we go to a doctor, when our car breaks down we go to a mechanic, if we want building plans we go to an architect, so why when we look at history would we go to Brian Foerster.
Apparently Mark Twain never actually said this but he should have: “the truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie"
Well, he was probably thinking it
That's such an apt saying for this dogmatic world.
This series reminds me of a series about how 911 was NOT an inside job, gives you quite a bit of fuel for thinking.
Thank you.
911wasaninsidej0b
Why did the plane hit the financial department at the Pentagon and the case of missing billions literally disappearing and never mentioned again
Proper documentation isn't sexy, it isn't romantic, and doesn't have legions of followers jumping in the comments spouting conspiracy propaganda.
What hit the Pentagon? Clip shown has frame's removed, I see NOT a Plane but, it could be a Missle, that's their Offical Pentagon Video. Their video, and THEIR Evidence.
Make's a lot of Sence the Light pole's, forgot to Fall when the Wing's hit them and Put Engine's and WIng's into Far side's of Building face from Main Punch Hole, of said Body of PLANE.
The Engine's weight and Plane's speed and Final location of them post event are not Authentic Evidence, shown, in contrast of Fact...
Engine's would have separated with wing section and Left their OWN Hole's, in Face of Building.
Plane was moving over 50mph, car Crashes at 50MPH prove "911-report was Fraud/fake as jesusyhvh".
India's Cultural Link with Ancient America
Swami Vivekananda once said about the God Shiva that he had traveled from India, on the one side, to Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes, Australia, as far as the shores of America, and on the other side, this old Shiva battened his bull in Tibet, Japan and as far as Siberia … Right from the peroid of first Spanish historist Mr. Fray Shahaun (1515AD) till today, a number of scholars have worked over the life of native Americans and some of them almost came to the conclusion that in ancient times people from India and the Indiana archipelago migrated to America and developed a great civilization there. In his book 'A Compact History of Mexico', Mr. Ignacio Bernall states that people from Asia entered America some thirty-five thousand years before, whereas Mr. Arcio Nuns, a Brazilian nuclear scientist, mentions about the Dravidians of Asia with America as old as eleven thousand years.
An article published in the 'Hindu' of 27th Sept. 1985 writes about the discovery made by Dr. Harry Fell, renowned epigraphist of USA goes to suggest that the early merchant settlers of South-East Asia had sailed to far off lands in pursuit of their profession, whose presence in Mexico is available in the form of inscriptions. Dr. Fell has deciphered the Indic inscription from Tihosuco which reads that merchant Vusaluna, the captain of the ship, sailing along the coast line, had got the inscription engraved on the stone slab in the month of July of the year 845. It is assumed that year mentioned is of Saka era.
Cultural Links:
Worship - The archaeologists found many Hindu deities like Shiva, Shiv-Linga, Ganesh, Kali, Sun, Buddha etc. (in similar or slightly different forms) which were worshipped in ancient America.
The Hindu God of luck, the Ganesh, was worshipped in Central-South America. Idols of Ganesh have been excavated in plenty in Mexico. This God of the Elephant's trunk is frequently depicted in Mexican manuscripts and in the temple ruins in Central America as the God with a proboscis-like horn, whence water is squirting, and his head is most frequently portrayed on the corners of temple walls, which are always built with reference to the original points. And idol of 'Ekdant Ganesh' was noticed in the temple at Kopan by great Indonologist late Dr. W.S. Wakankar.
An idol of Hanuman called by the name 'Wilka Huemana' and measuring 50 feet in height and 12 feet in breadth was found in Guatemala. Similar idol was found during an excavation of an Aztec temple in Mexico city and was known as 'Euhectal', a wind God, a monkey God. Buddhism also had a vast influence on pre-Colombian America. Professor F.W. Putnam found in the jungles of Honduras a sculpture which greatly resembles Buddha. According to the July, 1901 issue of American Harper's magazine, it has been proved with evidence that five Buddhist monks had reached Mexico in ancient times, via Alaska.
Ceremonies, Beliefs and Customs :
Hindu culture, civilization, custom and belief also dominated ancient America to some extent. Ancient Americans believed in legendary cataclysm, rebirth, four yugas and the concept of two planets like Rahu and Ketu causing solar eclipse. The Hindu doctrine of the ages is preserved in a stone monolith popularly known as the Aztec calendar. This remarkable piece of stone carving is in the form of an immense disc 12 feet in diameter and weights over 20 tons. A festival called Sita-Ram (Situa-Raimi) was celebrated in Mexico during Nav-Ratri or Desserah's period which has been described on page 5867 in the book 'Hamsworth History of the World'. Both in Central and South America, there are found Sati-Cremation, priesthood, Gurukul system, Yagnya, birth, marriage and death ceremonies to some extent similar to the Hindus.
Social life :
The ancient American's dresses (male and female) were simple and similar to those of Hindu dresses. Mexican face types were found to be similar to those of Asam, Naga, Nepal and Haryana people. Even their reddish brown skin complexion bear distinct similarity with those of Nepalies and Nagas. If an Indian is shown a Maya lady of Yucatan province from Mexico, he will recognize her as a Jat Lady of Haryana. Ayar Inoa King used to wear a turban, earring and a trishul type trident in his hand.
Today there live native red Indians of America in the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico who are now left only few 100'000 in number. These tribes are still vegetarians. Similarly, only 200'000 natives are survived in Canada who are still called as 'Indians'. Their lifestyle, customs, and beliefs are identical to those of red Indians, so similar to Bhartiya.
Trade :
Goldsmiths from Peru and Mexico prevailed working style similar to Indian traditional goldsmiths. Mr. Michael Long of the National Geographic Society was surprised to see the back strap weaving method in Handloom at Santa Rosa of Peru. This is used to separate thread. It is very well known that cotton is a gift given by Indians to the whole world.
Language:
Professor Raman Mena, curator of the National Museum of Mexico, said that the general appearance of Maya's writing is considered of oriental origin. According to scholar Orozco V. Berra, Maya and other languages are of Sanskrit origin. A few Sanskrit and Quichua words are given here to show their similarity and origin.
Quichua Sanskrit
A hina (also) ena (also)
Killa (moon) Kil (shining)
Illapi (chant) lap (to speak)
Paksa (fortnight) Paksha (Fortnight)
The word 'Wara', a unit of measurement, was also used by Maya people. They used to call Antyas as Antis. Professor Hug Fox of Michigan State University found a strange mix of Tamil and local American languages in use some millennia ago. For example, shasta, Indiana, Arevada, Utah, Guyana etc. Mr. Arcio Nuns, from the Federal University of Brazil, found evidence of our Gorani language in the form of Bruhi language during his long research work conducted in South America. 'Gorani' language was practiced thousands of years before in Tamilnandu as per Arcio Nuns. This language is still used in the Adi-Chandlur tribal area of Tamilnanadu and shows similarity to the Bruhi language being practiced in South America. It is also believed that Quichua's (language of Peruvians) characteristic of mouth transmission is derived from Indians. Writing mathematical figures by using vertical and horizontal straight lines was a system commonly practiced by Indians and Mayas
Shilpa :
Southern and Central American excavations revealed ancient cities, forts, bridges, tanks, canals, houses, and pyramids which indicated the high state of civilization and what is found that some sculptures of those archaeological remnants are similar in form and design to that found in Indian sculptural monuments. 'Supporting the buildings over the arms of Yaksha' is an Indian art. Similar types of construction was found in ancient Mexico. Similarly, sculptures of human figures with headgear similar to Tamilians, sculptures of Indian style ornamentation of elephants were found in Copan (Honduras) and Palenque. Thousands of ancient baked-clay bricks were found in Comalcalco in Mexico over which Pali scripts were engraved and these were used in the construction of pyramid temples which were similar to the pyramid temple in the Chidambaram village situated on the Coromondal coast in Southern India. In an article written by scholar Ronald Shiller named 'Unsolved Mysteries of! the Incas' appeared in Reader's Digest of August 1982, he claims to have seen the imprints of South-East Asian culture over the sculptures found in Peru dating to the second century BC. I hope my findings will help the scholars to study the influence of Indian Culture over the Meso-American culture, so as to bring before the world the universality of great Vedic culture in the past.
(Arun Chinchmalatpure)
What blows my mind is the lack of knowledge by the person you are covering. Also interestingly that have also found jadeite chisels in Mayan exuviations and for people that don't know Jadeite is harder than steel. So a lot of finer details could have also been handled by these tools. Though jadeite wouldn't be needed for chiseling lime stone even just a harder stone chisel have been used, and wood wedge used for separating larger pieces.
jadeite although hard is brittle and would be better used on a soft stone like limestone. granite has too much bounce and doesn't absorb the energy so easily.
@@GroberWeisenstein Jadeite is brittle, but if in proper hands can be used on granite, since granite has weak seems, also the structures we are talking about are lime stone.
@@jeromyzx153 sorry no. jadeite does not possess enough strength properties to be a suitable or productive chisel tool. Hardness and overall strength is approx 10 different parameters to be considered. I mentioned earlier jadeite would only be suitable on a softer stone like limestone but since jadeite is also rare wouldn't be practical for large scale use. It's crystalline structure does not stand up to impact forces well and splinters easily.I have quarried both jadeite and pyroxene granite which occurred near each other and i can assure you that you have been misinformed.
@@GroberWeisenstein This is true, it could be used but isn't efficient. It was found in ancient salt works so was probably used for softer materials. I also stated jadeite wouldn't be needed for stone working. The reason I brought up harder than steel because people like to conflate steel with being the only useable material for working with.
You don't have to be too bright to be fooled by this fraud foerster
I’d like to think that was local people that built those structures in Peru. It is fairly curious how certain megalithic stones such as the ones at Sacsayhuaman were moved though. And the Incas themselves didn’t take credit for that work if you look into it. I would also be pretty ignorant to tell them that they are wrong, That we know the story better than their oral tradition and they did build them. The fact is there are certain technologically advanced aspects such as two stones being fitted so closely together that you cannot put a sheet of paper between them still to this day. I think we need to expand our rigid views just a little.
Ah man, I said this before (but you don't mind another comment I assume), but I have mixed feelings about this. Don't get me wrong, I love what you do. You are making an excellent case and you are convincing me everytime that someone's views are wrong. That my views were wrong. You do this with facts and logic. But I really liked the idea that there was a mysterious civilization that most archaeologists somehow missed! And you're crushing many of my old heroes. But please, in the name of Truth, continue!
I would love it if it were true too.
Great video. Wish you would do a video about Brien Foerster and his wild claims about elongated skulls, too.
You mean the ones that have been tested for DNA and proven to be from the Black Sea area of Europe? Now you're questioning DNA?
Rephaim post Genesis 6:4-7 KJV / Numbers 13:32-33 KJV hybrids..... THE BIBLE HAS THE ANSWERS..... JOHN 8:32 KJV / Besides Mr.Foerster has been to many megalithic sights throughout the WORLD and he knows what he is talking about..... It is incomprehensible for even with our recent ACHIEVEMENTS in modern architecture to recreate those accomplishments. Many of those small stones that the Maya had put together have megalithic mega ton stones beneath them..... Explain that Einstein? The same thing in Peru and elsewhere around the world.....
@@cesaresteves8288 Visiting many places doesn't equate to understanding what's seen there, many actual expertise have studies and did archeological experiments to protect what could be done, plenty of time and bodies can quarry and move alot of stone
@@cesaresteves8288 how big is a "mega ton"? 😁😉
And if you think there's any stone shape or size that we couldn't create today, it is because you are ignorant of our tools.
Honestly, anyone with stone to use as a tool could do the same thing. They just can't do it as fast as we could if we wanted to.
2.5 Metric Tons the average weight of the pyramid building blocks..... 2,205 pounds very difficult to move over 6,000 years ago without help of modern machinery. Tow trucks and cranes..... Even now it would seem like a daunting task much less eons ago without the help of modern construction machinery.....
As a Stonemason I actually cringe and get a headache when Brien discusses stonework technologies. The man doesn't seem to care about due diligence or facts. Classic naysayer selling magical mystery tours.
Peruvian geopolymer power
How is it that there are qualified stonemason's that also point out how the megaliths and the technology of the mayans don't match. There is no evidence of iron but rocks that have moved or been cut that is presumed to have needed iron to move or be cut. What are these so called simple methods? Pounding stones?
@@fairhall001 stone industry is a large field. The various subtrades within the broader classification of stonemasonry are important to qualify on the particular subject. The last generation of Stonecutters and quarrymen now retired or passed were the keepers of this knowledge in similar manual techniques. Since the 80's the industry at large went thru a technological leap which replaced many of these methods. The title 'stone mason' today is an umbrella term and needs further clarification of specialization for consideration as a relevant expert.
It is disrespectful to the skills of our ancestors.
Thanks, I've been waiting for this. I actually enjoy watching Brien's footage of ancient sites, but trolling his comments section or live chat is too much fun. He is an example, in my opinion, of a confirmed grifter. I know that he knows better, which is disappointing (turns out, after watching, that he doesn't know anything. Good grief!). I don't mock those who believe this narrative, it is compelling and fun. Who doesn't love to be in on an exclusive secret? Edit: I just contradicted myself. Trolling the gullible is mocking them. Call it informative tough love.
Great video.
@@georgyporgy777 I'm not omniscient, sadly, but I know bullshit when I hear it.
I just want to know how they built them. I don't care who tells me
I have been trying to find vids of Mr Foerster refuting Mr Miano... I could not find any... One would think, someone that "knowledgable" would easily be able to defend his theories against know-it-alls like Miano?
I wonder why I don't find any... :D :D :D
(for those that don't get sarcasm: I think this vid is bang on the money...)
Large European medieval stone structures - castles, churches, etc - are often built in this way. The stone filled cores do a great job structurally but can be far 'cruder' in appearance than the rather high level finish in evidence in the exposed structural cores this guy criticises ( just like modern blockwork that is hidden under bricks, plasterboard, and so on). The core material is structural, so actually requires skilled workers to make sure it is sound, unlike the facing stones, which required skilled workers 'only' to achieve a high level of finish for aesthetic purposes, but which do not need to be particularly structurally stable. I note with interest that no one (as far as I know) attributes medieval European buildings to a lost 'Megalithic Civilisation. Thanks for the great videos!
I love sci-fi and fantasy. I look at the ideas of Foerster and Hancock in that light.
maybe don't do sci-fi and fantasy that uses real world culture by totally dismissing it, and attributing said culture's historical monuments to fantastical fluff.
maybe do sci-fi at home, instead of taking people on tours, and claim that your sci-fi is real.
I do too. But they’re claiming its true. Using “real” conspiracy theories as a basis for a good story is one thing. Outright lying about the past is another.
@@phangkuanhoong7967 That part I don't like. They are making statements about cultures they don't know much about
@@pmadden1999 Yeah, they are acting like creationists
@@phangkuanhoong7967
India's Cultural Link with Ancient America 💜
Swami Vivekananda once said about the God Shiva that he had traveled from India, on the one side, to Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes, Australia, as far as the shores of America, and on the other side, this old Shiva battened his bull in Tibet, Japan and as far as Siberia … Right from the peroid of first Spanish historist Mr. Fray Shahaun (1515AD) till today, a number of scholars have worked over the life of native Americans and some of them almost came to the conclusion that in ancient times people from India and the Indiana archipelago migrated to America and developed a great civilization there. In his book 'A Compact History of Mexico', Mr. Ignacio Bernall states that people from Asia entered America some thirty-five thousand years before, whereas Mr. Arcio Nuns, a Brazilian nuclear scientist, mentions about the Dravidians of Asia with America as old as eleven thousand years.
An article published in the 'Hindu' of 27th Sept. 1985 writes about the discovery made by Dr. Harry Fell, renowned epigraphist of USA goes to suggest that the early merchant settlers of South-East Asia had sailed to far off lands in pursuit of their profession, whose presence in Mexico is available in the form of inscriptions. Dr. Fell has deciphered the Indic inscription from Tihosuco which reads that merchant Vusaluna, the captain of the ship, sailing along the coast line, had got the inscription engraved on the stone slab in the month of July of the year 845. It is assumed that year mentioned is of Saka era.
Cultural Links:
Worship - The archaeologists found many Hindu deities like Shiva, Shiv-Linga, Ganesh, Kali, Sun, Buddha etc. (in similar or slightly different forms) which were worshipped in ancient America.
The Hindu God of luck, the Ganesh, was worshipped in Central-South America. Idols of Ganesh have been excavated in plenty in Mexico. This God of the Elephant's trunk is frequently depicted in Mexican manuscripts and in the temple ruins in Central America as the God with a proboscis-like horn, whence water is squirting, and his head is most frequently portrayed on the corners of temple walls, which are always built with reference to the original points. And idol of 'Ekdant Ganesh' was noticed in the temple at Kopan by great Indonologist late Dr. W.S. Wakankar.
An idol of Hanuman called by the name 'Wilka Huemana' and measuring 50 feet in height and 12 feet in breadth was found in Guatemala. Similar idol was found during an excavation of an Aztec temple in Mexico city and was known as 'Euhectal', a wind God, a monkey God. Buddhism also had a vast influence on pre-Colombian America. Professor F.W. Putnam found in the jungles of Honduras a sculpture which greatly resembles Buddha. According to the July, 1901 issue of American Harper's magazine, it has been proved with evidence that five Buddhist monks had reached Mexico in ancient times, via Alaska.
Ceremonies, Beliefs and Customs :
Hindu culture, civilization, custom and belief also dominated ancient America to some extent. Ancient Americans believed in legendary cataclysm, rebirth, four yugas and the concept of two planets like Rahu and Ketu causing solar eclipse. The Hindu doctrine of the ages is preserved in a stone monolith popularly known as the Aztec calendar. This remarkable piece of stone carving is in the form of an immense disc 12 feet in diameter and weights over 20 tons. A festival called Sita-Ram (Situa-Raimi) was celebrated in Mexico during Nav-Ratri or Desserah's period which has been described on page 5867 in the book 'Hamsworth History of the World'. Both in Central and South America, there are found Sati-Cremation, priesthood, Gurukul system, Yagnya, birth, marriage and death ceremonies to some extent similar to the Hindus.
Social life :
The ancient American's dresses (male and female) were simple and similar to those of Hindu dresses. Mexican face types were found to be similar to those of Asam, Naga, Nepal and Haryana people. Even their reddish brown skin complexion bear distinct similarity with those of Nepalies and Nagas. If an Indian is shown a Maya lady of Yucatan province from Mexico, he will recognize her as a Jat Lady of Haryana. Ayar Inoa King used to wear a turban, earring and a trishul type trident in his hand.
Today there live native red Indians of America in the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico who are now left only few 100'000 in number. These tribes are still vegetarians. Similarly, only 200'000 natives are survived in Canada who are still called as 'Indians'. Their lifestyle, customs, and beliefs are identical to those of red Indians, so similar to Bhartiya.
Trade :
Goldsmiths from Peru and Mexico prevailed working style similar to Indian traditional goldsmiths. Mr. Michael Long of the National Geographic Society was surprised to see the back strap weaving method in Handloom at Santa Rosa of Peru. This is used to separate thread. It is very well known that cotton is a gift given by Indians to the whole world.
Language:
Professor Raman Mena, curator of the National Museum of Mexico, said that the general appearance of Maya's writing is considered of oriental origin. According to scholar Orozco V. Berra, Maya and other languages are of Sanskrit origin. A few Sanskrit and Quichua words are given here to show their similarity and origin.
Quichua Sanskrit
A hina (also) ena (also)
Killa (moon) Kil (shining)
Illapi (chant) lap (to speak)
Paksa (fortnight) Paksha (Fortnight)
The word 'Wara', a unit of measurement, was also used by Maya people. They used to call Antyas as Antis. Professor Hug Fox of Michigan State University found a strange mix of Tamil and local American languages in use some millennia ago. For example, shasta, Indiana, Arevada, Utah, Guyana etc. Mr. Arcio Nuns, from the Federal University of Brazil, found evidence of our Gorani language in the form of Bruhi language during his long research work conducted in South America. 'Gorani' language was practiced thousands of years before in Tamilnandu as per Arcio Nuns. This language is still used in the Adi-Chandlur tribal area of Tamilnanadu and shows similarity to the Bruhi language being practiced in South America. It is also believed that Quichua's (language of Peruvians) characteristic of mouth transmission is derived from Indians. Writing mathematical figures by using vertical and horizontal straight lines was a system commonly practiced by Indians and Mayas
Shilpa :
Southern and Central American excavations revealed ancient cities, forts, bridges, tanks, canals, houses, and pyramids which indicated the high state of civilization and what is found that some sculptures of those archaeological remnants are similar in form and design to that found in Indian sculptural monuments. 'Supporting the buildings over the arms of Yaksha' is an Indian art. Similar types of construction was found in ancient Mexico. Similarly, sculptures of human figures with headgear similar to Tamilians, sculptures of Indian style ornamentation of elephants were found in Copan (Honduras) and Palenque. Thousands of ancient baked-clay bricks were found in Comalcalco in Mexico over which Pali scripts were engraved and these were used in the construction of pyramid temples which were similar to the pyramid temple in the Chidambaram village situated on the Coromondal coast in Southern India. In an article written by scholar Ronald Shiller named 'Unsolved Mysteries of! the Incas' appeared in Reader's Digest of August 1982, he claims to have seen the imprints of South-East Asian culture over the sculptures found in Peru dating to the second century BC. I hope my findings will help the scholars to study the influence of Indian Culture over the Meso-American culture, so as to bring before the world the universality of great Vedic culture in the past.
(Arun Chinchmalatpure)
A very evidence based overview/rebuttal of his loosey goosey style of conjectural archeology. A great example of how to construct an argument. Thanks for another great video!
Thank you for making this! Foerster is such a grifter, and his buddy L.A. Marzulli is even worse. I look forward to more videos about them!
LMAO this guy here is the actual grifter. So many haters of others making themselves popular on YT by being grifters. Pathetic.
In my opinion, Brien says what the visitor thinks, who knows a little. why should Brien say something he doesn't know, so he says it this way, that others who listen to him think that he just doesn't know exactly and thus goes to the level of the visitor, which is actually completely fine. I think so. But the people who did the experiments with the limestones only did it the way they think it could have been.
The architecture is absolute fantastic, i would love it if we could build maya buildings here in Europe
"Why is he taking people on tours there?"........it wouldn't have anything to do with the money, would it? These tours are not cheap.....
Ka-ching! ✨
@Tom: Brian F takes people on tours, because.. Planet Nibiru told him to.
Okay, I have to be 100% honest here.
I have watched dozen's of Brien's videos, and I give him credit for visiting many of these sites in person and producing a huge number of "on location" videos.
However, there gets to be a point where you hear various claims in these videos, and you want him to go to the next step and "prove it".
As an educated person, I am more than willing to have an open mind as to what occurred in the past, but I want to see/hear undisputed proof.
At this point in time, there is 0 proof that an ancient civilization every existed in the distant past, well, one with a technology that was capable of cutting and moving huge stones with ease.
So until the proof is discovered/unearthed, I am not going to take someone's word for it, simply because they make claims about it in their videos.
@Philosophy_First Well, that comment sounds a tad harsh. And who jumped to the conclusion I was "funding" anyone?
Talk about jumping to conclusions without any proof,
For the record, I had assumed you were referring to the creator of this video WoA, and not Brien, who is only the subject of the video.
With all your respect i think you judging someone who is just showing ancient architecture from another angle, other possibilities. Brian foster i am sure has some knowledge that you dont have and yes probably he is wrong on some issues and some are in question, still he has all his right to show it to the public and we can decide over his theories… don’t forget some archeologists have been called crazy to later find out they were actually right on some important matters. Look, you have also the right yo show us your perspective but i think you can do it without judging people as if you definitely have everything on ur side. Just think about this, why have some mayan pyramids pyramids inside pyramids?… also, isn’t there a probability that some civilizations found some buildings and lived in them or lived around them?… there nothing wrong having an open mind and thinking beyond possibilities… lets not forget new discoveries are always found with new knowledge
I had wondered how he could be considered an authority on anything and what value his books could contain. UA-cam is rampant with these guys. You stand as a sentinel amid the mire!
Loving these #Shorts - please continue.
Have a nice day😄❤
Another excellent video, David. I do enjoy Brien's vids & ruminations on the obviously different types of construction in the Peruvian highlands, but, as with many of us who learn to see a portion of the world in a novel (& perhaps legitimate) way, it can be all too easy to then think that EVERYTHING must fit within it. And I wholeheartedly agree that there is never an excuse for not doing one's reading, especially when holding oneself out to be an expert. Above all, thank you for always being gracious in these disagreements. A rare & marvelous thing in these vituperative times. Cheers~
He just repeats himself over and over it’s mind-numbing. Seriously, how does this guy have a cult following?
@@annascott3542 He takes vast amounts of great footage of very interesting sites. Regardless of what he says about it, the ability of the rest of us to SEE these places is priceless.
@@johnslaymaker Ya that’s true.
I once worked on a modern construction site, where a stone veneer was put upon cheaper filler. The ancient Mayas clearly had advanced knowledge of basic economics. To sad their space lizzard friends didn't teach them how to build proper arks.😂
I wonder what Sheffield looked like then!🤔
They did. Everything was covered up as "pretty design"
It's always funny when people take a basic misunderstanding than extrapolate fanciful nonsense on it.
Then other people start believing it and then it gets depressing.
Some people call that christanity.
A practicing stone Mason here. I love videos like these as well as some of the work Brien has put out. Both have their place in this realm of ancient history, but presentations like these are generally more interesting due to the acknowledgement of the pros and cons of the arguments presented. 19:05 One note: I don’t even think the builders whom constructed the core/interior parts of the walls/structure had to be “less skilled” or “different people.” In my experience the lower level workers would be doing the grunt work, i.e. transporting the material, mixing the mud (mortar), maybe performing some of the cuts, cleaning up excess debris and so on.
Virtually every time you are constructing something out of masonry, say a wall with a stone veneer, you don’t need the interior of the wall to have any objective beauty - it’s simply about the structural integrity of the wall you are building. It’s all about the finished product - the exterior work and the veneer stone they are using. Quite frequently it’s the same workers doing both parts of the actual building of the project. There is no real need to bring in less experienced builders to construct the inside and then bring in the Master Masons (builders) for the finished work. In fact, from my experience, you want the experienced workers there constructing the interior part of the build to make sure everything is on the up and up, as well as the ensure that the structure is sound and ready for the veneer stone application.
After the last 15 years or so of looking into this sort of ancient history and megalithic work this seems to be the case for many of the sites. A “janky” appearance for the interior work will never be seen once the veneer stone is applied and it doesn’t matter for structural integrity, therefore there is no real reason to go through the trouble of making it look super nice as the exterior will be. I’ve seen examples of this from Giza to Machu Picchu and as the years progress I see more and more examples of this. One of the most impressive build IMO is the work done at Gobleki Tepi. This is because most of the excavated megaliths using a bas-relief technique out of whole stones (one of the most difficult forms of carving) and then Purposely buried before the cataclysm ~12,000 years ago during the younger dryas impact event.
A string loop with knots 3,4 and 5 units apart could be used to get rough right angles but not survive or be overlooked.
For some reason these have always been the most tempting conspiracy theories for me to believe. Appreciate the videos Dr. Miano.
In some instances he is actually correct, but I have noted from his video's that sadly this is about the limit of Brian's repertoire, so he looks for examples of it everywhere.
It’s not a conspiracy; it’s history
For me, your work has rapidly become essential in combatting the new digital snake oil era on here. Another job very well done.
Please consider toning down on the random stock images a bit; this sort of visual fill is widely used on YT for kicking up drama by people who have nothing captivating to convey. You must be aware that you are in a different league 🙏
When it's just an audio track, there's not much else to choose from. When I have more money, I can start using animations or something.
do youre own research, this guy dismisses and omits evidence in the same way he accuses brien of doing. The best thing to do is look at all the different viewpoints, dont become locked into one rigid set of beliefs.
@@dgafbrapman688 I have been studying historical themes for decades as a mere hobby. I can therefor conclude effortlessly that the only valid and credible viewpoint usually is the collective scientific research by people who are specialised in their respective fields through years of hard work. I myself have held beliefs propagated by popular commercial books in the past that were simply not true. Creative aspirations of hobbyists can very well be appealing and inspiring, but have become more widespread through digital media than their methodically researched academic counterparts. In my mind that is dangerous; what humanity will remember as historic truth after another few decades of mass infotainment in search of clicks and dollars is anybody’s guess.
@@mcgie2002 history proves your notion of "general consensus" wrong. Nothing is what it is anymore, science is not science, but instead, political/monetary science. In other words if it dont make money it dont make sense.
In some sites they havent even dug deeper than 20 feet because, quote: "we know there is nothing deeper" its like saying youve read a book without ever turning the cover.
Our sciences have become political tools to be used at will and selectively by who ever needs them to support whatever narrative they like. see anthony fauci
@@dgafbrapman688 I can see why you might think that in today’s politicised media cesspool of alternative facts. Much like a football team or political party you root for, people ‘adhere’ to a certain camp and stick to its ideological bias and preconceptions. But this systemic lack of trust in every form of authority is a powerful deceitful filter. It warps beliefs. I stay away from politics and social media frenzies; they have nothing to do with science in general, and even less with archeology and history. In the case of ‘not digging deeper’ for example, you need to know about geology, undisturbed earth layers and lack of artefacts, among other things.
Anyhow. As a young man i read books by people like Bauval and Hancock, and was captivated by their ideas. By examining all theories and claims at length, i know now that all of that is farfetched, unprovable, at odds with actual findings, or downright nonsense to make a buck. But you need to do a lot of research in order to come to that conclusion, and most of us will not do that; most will just watch random videos on YT whose algorithm will then dish out even more outlandish videos... I too have watched and examined a lot of those in this way. But *it is a business model, not a library*. It is how some people have come to believe (again) that the earth is flat, or the moonlandings (all six of them!) were fake, or lizards disguised as people roam the earth, or nasa having child slaves on Mars… etc. etc. All of them obviously rely on widescale conspiracies of some kind involving millions of participants to cover it all up, despite overwhelming proof of the contrary.
We can go on about this till the cows come home and start a classic infinite social media brawl, but i can’t and i won’t. I realise that there is little i can actually say on a forum like this to ultimately convince you, other than what you said to me, to examine it yourself, to read and watch at length ALL of the different angles - not just one particular set of theories that takes your fancy - and discard all unsubstantiated (or utterly fantasized) claims in the end. Which is what i’ve been doing for a very long time.
Thank you for pointing out the building techniques.
I have a friend who paid to go to the Galapogos Islands to clean rubbish off the beaches for the baby tortoises. She paid £4000 to do this. It gives you an indication of how much money can be made from retired people with a bit of spare cash. I proposed to her she just flew to the Galapagos with a roll of bin bags in her luggage but she prefered the safety of an organised trip..
Awesome job in pointing out how ridiculous Mr. Foerster claims are and backing it up with facts.
My point exactly…
Funny how our culture rewards the grifters with $$$ and adulation, which further emboldens the grift. Imagine a world where there was no need for a " debunk " video because people were educated with adequate critical thinking skills as a matter of course and would not subscribe to unsubstantiated extraordinary claims. Think of all the resources that could be better used for research into discovering more of the true history of mankind, and how better to prepare for the future we all surely face. If we could appeal to, instead of distrust and fear, curiosity and wonder and the hope in discovery...cue Donald Fagen's 1982 hit: I.G.Y, " what a beautiful world this will be, what a glorious time to be free ".
I wish our government would get involved when people make false claims.
@@jamisojo I agree that the government has a role here. I think it has to do with providing education. As much as I hate the fact that pseudo science has become more popular than solid scholarship, I don't think the government can punish, or control, or censor us into using our brains correctly.
People want to feel that they are educated and/or informed. People in the US in particular, on average, are not very educated about history and science. Content providers, like Brien F., Graham H., amongst a host of others, offer what seems to be a shortcut to being knowledgeable or educated. These guys give the naive permission to consider that their fantasies have equal weight to the findings of experts.
@@jamisojo I'm an American and I wish that we could get our politicians to tell the truth.
Where must you live that you trust your government so much?
Someone with real knowledge needs to sign up for his tour and educate him in front of the group
and who has this "real" knowledge you speak of?
Ironically, Foester's books mimic Mayan architecture- a nicely dressed outer cover, filled with a lot of rubble.
Thanks for this one, the man is a complete charlatan. It never cease to amaze me how ignorant he is on subjects he pretends to be expert on. He can't even spell Brian Forester correctly!
Thank you Professor Miano for once again giving us new information. As an avid follower of Brien Foerster, I am now forced to concede that after only 8 minutes into your vocast, you have clearly demonstrated Mayan building techniques in a new manner than what I had thought.
Hopefully you now come to the realization that Foster is a grifter. You need to unsubscribe from watching his disgusting whitewashing of History with zero evidence or facts to backup his nonsense
@@mad555555 GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. Everyone makes their own choices from what their perspective on what's good for them or not. One cannot look in another's life and insist they make choices they deem correct. We all operate from our own research; what's good for you may not conform to my standards and vice-versa.
@@tekannon7803 the first thing you have to understand is that Foster doesn't even believe his own BS. He knows he is lying. Academia knows he is lying. He knows that academia knows his lying. Academia knows that he knows that academia knows he is lying. With that knowledge, it would be pretty embarrassing for you to still think what he and his ilk says comes from a place of Truth and honesty while still believing anything they say as fact or even the slightest reliable.
I want to know know why you believe these people. How many degrees do they possess cause apparently. It would include architecture,logistics,surveying,stone masonry and metallurgy. They are also educated on working with gold,Silver and mercury.
@@enriquerodriguez6465 the followers of these grifters don't necessarily care about their credentials when speaking on things they have remedial knowledge of. It's all about how they come across and the words they use when selling their snake oil to these people that want to believe something fantastical and quite literally impossible.
Forester is a fraud
Riiiight bc it makes total sense that the insanely perfect constructions using multi ton blocks would be under relatively recent PRIMITIVE construction. Yep. That's a sign of how humans have evolved and come so far LOLOLOL This isn't difficult to understand. We can't lift those blocks or create such perfection even today. We don't know how to.
@@galadrielwoods2332 absolutely untrue. We have space stations and satellites. You are using a device to watch audio video and share your opinions with the world. A level of technology infinitely more complex.
Fitting and lifting stone was mastered long ago. The granite lighthouses of the UK and Ireland make the grandest polygonal work of old look rather simple.
Ancient techniques are still in use today. Simple tools and techniques that the likes of Brien Foerster and co work very hard to censor from their audience.
The Egyptian annual military budget over 20 years would leave $70,000 US per stone.
There isn’t a building company in the world who wouldn’t jump at the profit from $US20,000 per stone.
The heaviest blocks in the great pyramid are approx 80 tons. Off the shelf chain hoists allow a single person to lift 100 tons by pulling on a chain.
The heaviest “megaliths” could be lifted by a road mobile crane.
In quarries they regularly cut giant blocks comparable to the largest stones such as Baalbek. Then they break or cut them into smaller pieces after moving them.
It is absolutely untrue we can’t do it today. Our architecture such as giant skyscrapers make piled stone lintel construction look like what it is, piled stone lintel construction.
The “megalithic” builders couldn’t build a wide ceiling or allow light inside.
The grand cathedrals of the medieval age are much more complex and advanced. Vaulted stone ceiling vs lintel construction is like a Ferrari vs a soap box racer.
@@SacredGeometryDecoded Absolutely true. How can we define which technologies are superior? Having advanced knowledge of the cosmos and how to harness energy and use it or some metal machines in space and cellphones? Humans today spend so much energy to create and then to maintain our civilizations whilst it appears that the ancients had such knowledge and use of energy that they created structures we cannot possibly create today and they did so with little energy.
Explain the multi ton blocks that are put together so perfectly that paper cannot fit between them. No mortar. Not straight lines. Various random curves. They look melted in order to achieve it yet are not melted together.
Most ancient sites have structures with the advanced building techniques of which we cannot explain on the bottom of the structures and then we see hundreds or thousands of years later people trying to rebuild them. Their layer is primitive. Uncut stones piled with mortar to keep them in place.
Who were the advanced builders? How did they create what they did? Brien's questions are logical. I have the same questions. Many people do.
@@galadrielwoods2332 I not only have explained but shown examples of people doing it with primitive tech.
You might want to broaden your horizons. Theirs a whole world out there.
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You: "We can't lift those blocks or create such perfection even today. We don't know how to."
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