The Staccato starts jamming
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"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."
Owned 3 staccatos they are the most overblown guns on the market. Only one of them would make it through a single range session without being completely handicapped.
I hope you maintain your transparency with all this stuff. It's very refreshing to hear real talk that isn't tainted by some Corpo bullshit
Corpo? From Cyberpunk 2077? A man of culture I see…
@@felixdewinter3484 corporate...
@nickmeistersa123456 you sound like a 14 year old. Corpo has been short for corporate for like 40 years... jfc
@@goodluck2522exactly. Choom…
@@goodluck2522zoomers think they invented everything lol.
Shadow 2s laugh with 15k rounds without malfunction
At a third of the price even.
Rumor has it the punisher skull stamped guns don't require lube to run.
And science shows any gun with night sights becomes sub moa accu at 1000 yds.
Love the honesty in a sea of UA-cam lies. Thank you.
Staccato boys punching air rn
Why? He said what everyone knew.
@@skeldodinson6038 right? Staccatos, especially XC and XL, like to run wet and clean, and are somewhat picky on ammo. Big shockers.
He concluded saying the gun is so soft and does so much for you, that it's almost boring to shoot. Sounds like pretty high praise to me.
In rhythm 😂
Staccato rhythm
I have four Staccatos and I enjoyed this video. It wasn’t even negative.
In before Sig Bad Ammo
I’m only 50 seconds into the video, and I don’t know about Sig ball ammo, but V-Crown does kinda suck.
9 & 10 LB recoil spring made a huge difference for me
Good to know. When I last shot one, the slide felt slow to me, too.
Ive been shooting a stealth arms platypus for a minute now, i have loved it over every staccato ive shot
This is the type of content I was hoping you would provide. Thanks Ben, good work.
I lock my P slide to the rear when I get on the range, drip a tiny bit of lube down inside of each rail. Few drops on the barrel, on the end and the top where it meets the slide, cycle it a handful of times and never have an issue. It gets a field strip, wipe off every month at most and that’s 5-7 range days/1500-2000 rounds. Nothing beyond a toothbrush.
The XC has a retardedly light spring.
Just started shooting uspsa .. thanks for all of the training tips! Don’t know what I would have done without them..truly appreciate it
Glad you are happy with that belt setup and hope you get that gun to where you want it.
Thanks fot the honest review, please keep us informed on your journey. Great video!
My Glocks work flawlessly with the blazers lol
Was thinking the exact same thing!
Too bad it's still a Glock
@@Joe10e84 yeah. Too bad they just work, flawlessly, 100% of the time. Too bad. People need to stop blaming their tools for being such horrible shots. Spend time behind ur tool and get better. Simple as that. I own from different manufactures, but my Glocks will always be my go to for home defense/everyday carry. Hate it all u want. Everything else is just for fun.
if a stock 9mm wont run on blazer brass, its not the ammo.
I absolutely value and appreciate your no BS candor as you gain more experience with the XC. And I love that ratchet belt rig. I use those Double Alpha mag pouches as well and they have been terrific.
i love the double alpha ratchet belt and pouches. works great!
at the risk of sounding like im high on copium... if you want the reliability get a P. XL and XC are tuned to barely run.
This.
This is one of the most ridiculous comments I’ve seen.
@alexm5656 How is it ridiculous? Tenicor has a video of a CS running for about 3000rds before they called it. The regular Staccatos, that I see at the range I work at, easily go for 1000+ before they see a cleaning.
@@Osprey1994any gun can be pushed to failure. And im an xc owner and will be the first to admit its fault. But let’s not overlook the amount of content and documented info showing the reliability of the gun. If these guns were truly falling apart, PDs across the country would be axing them asap and the word would get out QUICK. Is the xc a duty gun, no… but for folks trashing the brand because of Ben’s video is pretty insane
I have put 5k rounds through my XL in the last 6 months of ownership. It gets a quick field lube every time it comes out. Never a problem. It see’s 124gr and 147gr remanufactured ammo exclusively. I will not be cleaning it until I start having issues.
All the Staccato boys are big mad. I have been telling people for years since they were STI those things are not as reliable as people make them out to be.
Watched a brand new staccato jam at a match. Makes me think about that price tag even more after seeing this video.
I’ve never had an issue with any of mine. The very first thing I did was take it apart, clean and lube it. No problems
The operating spring is just one part of the overall timing. There is also the matter of the hammer spring which the slide has to push back.
In thinking of buying an XC so I appreciate your honesty.
thanks for your honest take on your experience. With some reviewers, you can tell before you click the video that they're going to drag guns of a particular brand, that happens to be a competitor of the brand they're currently fangirling. There is also a prevalence of people acting like they're on the sales team of these gun companies, and only showing the positive.
Joe chambers at chambers custom has measured them. Like most staccato models they’re undersprung from the factory and the extractor usually runs a little too long
Hello Ben. I've had good results doing a thorough cleaning and apply Modern Spartan Systems (Accuracy Oil)
In my experience, you need to tune the recoil spring to the ammo on a 1911. That's why I always reloaded for my limited 40. Once you get the spring, OAL, powder, and bullet tuned perfectly just over major power factor it is perfectly reliable and smooth.
Wouldn’t a 7 or 9 pound spring make a gun pretty heavy?🤪😂
I got a P just before Ben got his XC. I have about 600 rounds through it with no malfunctions. The ammo I have used is new republic 115 grain and my work’s really notoriously bad hollow point lead free ammo that we are trying to burn through (forgot the brand and grain). I know the latter gives the XC problems and some of the Ps but not all. I’m glad mine has been 100%.
Thanks for the video.
I'm leaning towards a Platypus 2011. Not just for the custom colors but for a combo of price/positive reviews. Not to mention it takes Glock mags.
My Canik rivel S does the same with 147 ammo no comp sluggish 124 ammo has seemed to solved said problem.
Interesting to see!
I own a P and a C2. I’ve only got about 3500 through my P and about 600 through the C2, but they’ve both been rock solid reliable, and I’ve purposely ran my P a bit dirty to some range trips.
The XC/XL definitely seem to be competition guns to me.
The only Staccato I shot dropped the mags randomly every other shot 😂
That was you, slugger
That does happen
I have the XC,XL, P and C2 and I have had one malfunction in my XC-it was Ammo Related with Blazer 115gr. I did swap to a 9lb Spring and keep it well-oiled (as per the owners manual).
Why do you have to do that to a $4000 gun out of the box? It doesn’t make sense that you can’t shoot any ammo you want and treat it like a Glock. Not getting my hard-earned money. I’d rather buy about 4 Glocks.
Thats like comparing a Toyota Corolla to a Porsche GT3. Glocks are amazing at being reliable, simple firearms. I appreciate them for what they are.
@@DirtMcGirk This is literally the most clueless take I see. You're not paying for a duty reliable gun - that's LITERALLY not the point of it. It's like complaining that a F1 car requires more care than a honda civic - ridiculous.
You want peak performance you pay for it in money and effort, hardly unique to firearms. If you don't care about peak performance and just want something to shoot into trash with that you never clean and never jams, go ahead and buy 4 glocks. That's a valid use case and you're not the target audience for this. That's totally fine, but acting like it's a ridiculous concept just because it's not what *you* value is hilarious.
By your logic a basic AK is the greatest rifle on earth for every activity because it's so hideously overgassed that it never jams.
@@RamikinHorde Jamming if not cleaned after every range trip and having to lube the gun before you shoot it is peak performance? Not in the real world, bud. The Stacattos are just like owning a fancy car: Status symbol and that’s really it. And by the way, when it comes to doing what firearms were designed to do - and that’s shooting people - the AK is a fantastic platform. That’s why it’s been used by bad guys in virtually every single conflict since it was produced.
Ben are you sure you’re not limp wristing this baby? Kidding, love your content. Keep at it and channel will go 🚀
Thanks for the info brother. I’ll be monitoring this series for sure. I am running a staccato c2 and have said out loud several times in my videos for UA-cam that the gun feels like it’s barely cycling or running slow. It shoots perfectly but sometimes it feels like it isn’t going to pick up the next round in the magazine. Almost sluggish.
The staccato enjoyer mom said we have at home
I ended up at 9 lbs in mine and like it.
I have a Staccato XC at 1500 rounds now. 1100 rounds of Blazer 115gr and 400 rounds of Winchester 115gr with 1 failure to feed. I do keep it well lubed (there is always excess oil on the web of my hand from the beavertail after range visits). I use Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil as the slide does get hot after a couple hundred rounds.
My hands are not large and I find if I don't grip the gun just right the safety will be hard to actuate and also very uncomfortable. I have cycled the safety over a thousand times to break it in and that seems to have helped some.
My only other complaint is the magazine release is a bit stiffer than I'd like, but that's an easy fix.
Keep her well lubed up and see if that reduces the reliability issues.
i love that lucas oil... and it smells good too
Sounds like it needs something different in the setup, i dont have i 2011 but when My gun started doing the brass catch was the ejector that needed a good clean
Doesn't surprise me, this is very common in my comped guns
Most people I know, including myself, run a 9lb recoil spring in a 9mm 1911/2011. I know a couple people who run 10 or 12. I swapped out the hammer springs on my Para's, I think the 9mm is either 14 or 16lb. I typically shoot either 125 or 135 grain reloads at about 130 power factor. Never had mine not feed, it came with a 9lb recoil, I just changed the hammer springs based on feel. If it were my gun, I would try a 9lb and if it still did it, I'd want to figure out what's wrong with the way the round is feeding. Typically it's something to do with the angle of the round in the mag. Could be other things though. Over springing a 2011 is one way to "fix" things but the gun will be much smoother if you fix the actual problem and run a spring set that you like the feel of. At least that's been my experience.
Yeah, guns like that don’t like to be run dry
XC’s are pretty picky, but seem to work well with 9lb springs. P’s are much more reliable. Less picky with ammo and maintenance.
lol Ben is gonna have a whole group hating him now. He has now besmirched staccato / 2011
Most people rejected His message. They hated Jesus because He told the truth.
This is a little surprising to me. We have a rental P at work it doesn't get cleaned near enough and is the most popular rental so on a Saturday I imagine it'll get 1000 rds through it we really don't have issues out of it. Had a extractor break at what I would guess around 100k rounds.
As someone who shoots both a P and an XC I’m not surprised by either your experience with the P or Ben’s experience with the XC. My P will run with any duty or decent practice ammo as long as it has some lube. The XC is more particular and doesn’t like weak ammo, especially with the factory recoil spring. I know there are people who carry XCs on duty, but I personally would not.
My P choked within 100rds of my competition ammo (135pf). No mag made it through one drop in the dirt. So after two back-to-back mag failures, I cleaned the mags and the gun jammed right after and I couldn't get it working to finish the stage. Cleaned and lubed the gun then sold it because it couldn't survive one match, no way it would survive in a "duty" role.
The one I watched a guy use in SWAT school hard stopped before lunch on day 1. He cleaned and lubed it, then failed out from failing a course of fire because his P hard stopped. It wouldn't chamber a round and locked up with a tap-rack. Staccatos are the worst performing "duty" guns I've ever seen or used.
On a positive note, the ones not used outside in the southwestern desert seem to work alright, but I'm really not comfortable recommending Staccato for anything outside of inside, climate controlled use.
My older DVC-P has 6700 rounds on it but it was sluggish at first and used a lot of oil......I runs like a hose now!!!
Just traded my P. I like the pistol but I used it strictly for range use and didn’t really have a use for a $4500 setup to sit in the safe. Mine jammed a few times as well.
I don't have a budget for a new platform. Please hate on the 2011s😂
A new platform? Man
I run an 8 or 9 lb spring in mine (I forget) and I had to bend my extractor a little bit to get it to eject properly. Atlas gunworks do a great video on how to troubleshoot 2011 issues. This is actually a really nice gun but I don’t like how they market it as a duty firearm
Another Ben/Prez grind is coming!
Ben, as you tune the gun please provide details on what you experiance with each spring and what are the benefits you find with the final spring rate.
Damn man, that sucks. Only trouble I've had out of any of my 2011s is short flat nosed bullets (American Eagle 147) and the XC eats those too. 7lb recoil spring is too light for reliable function in a gun you intend to abuse. I went with 10lb, like the duty pistol configuration. The XC is my current duty pistol.
Other staccato xc owners said they put a heavier spring in it and run hotter ammo and it runs. As a staccato p owner I have had no issues and it runs great 👍
My juki 1508 sewing machine is always needing some maintenance or some parts. So as a sewing machine owner I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
It’s a reference to the old singer sewing machines because they ran without a hitch. I’m surprised you haven’t heard that saying before. Assuming you are actually involved in the 2a community!
@@SWM1983seriously I’ve heard that about sewing machines. Never knew what it really meant until I owned one. Frankly who on earth takes a perspective from someone who says “I’ve heard “. It litterally means you have no first hand experience with what your suggested solutions are.
You are a Failure 😂
I edited my comment so you can sleep at night
One thing to think about is these guns use very light recoil springs.
I’d be surprised if you don’t make the stove pipes worse with a heavier spring. I went to a 9lb on my Erebus and it stove piped non stop. Went back to the 7lb and just had to keep it soaking wet until it was broken in.
Who would have thought you need to lubricate a tight-fitting gun to make it run well? The more you know . . .
Even just an 8# spring from sprinco made a huge difference in the way mine feels.
Overall, it's an incredible gun IMHO, but of course I don't run it as hard as Ben does.
9lb spring. You will like the feel much better. Weird with the jams. Ive had great luck with my 2 XC. Zero jams. But every company has guns that have issues come off the line. Sta vato Customer service is great if this is a continued issue
I’m saddened there were no lube jokes in this… 😢
I’ve got the P X Series and I’ve yet to have a malfunction through several thousand rounds.. haven’t shot an XC yet though, maybe they’re not as reliable.
I’ve seen this stuff happen with Atlas, phoenix trinity, Bul armory’s and more recently Platapus. My belief is that 2011s tolerance is just too tight. I have a few and maintain them, but I’ll stick to carry optics and if I decide to ever go to limited optics, I’ll just throw a magwell on my plastic fantastic, because it ALWAYS runs. What you should do, is get yourself an m&p with an apex trigger. Closest trigger feel to a 1911 that I’ve found.
STI that jams?!?!…. Shocker 😂 and yes, a Stacatto is a STI😂
this is a problem unique to the xc... its ammo picky... its tuned to run one type of ammo really well. staccato even says that on the website. i dont blame ben for trying whatever he has laying around. but anyone that intended to seriously compete with this gun would likely be loading a round taylored to it.
@@noclass2gun342I’ve owned 10 STIs and they ALL had major issues. The price to value ratio is way off. I can’t get behind your statement that this gun needs reloaded ammo. Does it need softer ammo or hotter ammo? This gun wasn’t designed for 9 major…. It was designed for factory pressure ammo.
@@bdh821 and how many have you owned since they were redesigned
@@bdh821 also, I didn't say it was meant for 9 major
@@noclass2gun342so what does it need?
I've said it somewhere and I'll say it again: the best facsimile of a 2011 that's reliable is an M&P 2.0 with an Apex trigger kit (using factory sear and trigger return spring) and an Apex semi-drop in barrel (go threaded if you want a comp). Same grip angle as a 19/2011 without the reliability issues.
Before anyone jumps in and says "yOu'Ve NeVeR sHoT a 2011", I owned a C2 for a year before I realized my money could be better spent and was fortunate enough to break even when I sold it.
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Exactly! The fanboys can't stand to get their feelings hurt. I started shooting a 1911 and now in my mid-50's. I still have Gov. model Colt 1911's and Gold Cup that I purchased 25+ years ago, they shoot fantastic. But, what I shoot the piss out of with no issues are M&P pistols. I don't deal with jams or any other issues, just clean them on occasion and run the hell out of them. The craze with the 2011 pistols is hype and marketing. They are cool, but for reliability, they can't come close to matching the reliability of a M&P, Glock or Sig striker pistol.
@@weezemyessssss this... can't wait till I can afford one
@@deathofkindness you will not regret it. Worth every penny.
my checkmate runs blazer 115 with no problem lol
I’ve shot a staccato one time at the rental counter in my range. I had a couple failures during that time. It doesn’t strike me as a particularly reliable gun, which is why I get confused when I hear about law enforcement officers carrying it. Are they carrying a version with stiffer springs or something to prioritize reliability instead of low recoil? Also, I totally agree about how the slide feels sluggish. That was the main thing I didn’t like about shooting it. Maybe the rental gun I shot was just too dry.
$4000, plastic trigger, plastic grip, jams out of the box with duty ammo. Staccato pride!
Kimber: dang we should have thought of that.
Should be expected since it's a competition gun with a comp and made to use hot ammo, not duty ammo unless you change out the spring weight.
@@CR12221staccato advertises the XC as a duty capable pistol and multiple departments issue them fyi
@chrisgasperini The advertisement is for the P model , but some officers use the XC. The XC variation for patrol/duty, the trigger weight, and the recoil spring weights are changed before shipping. It is not the competition version of the gun. It's the XC version of the P model.
Running precision gun dry or not as described to run by manufacturer, and already known and expected by Ben.... Smooth brain comment pride by you on YT. Not shocking..
SpinCo 12# spring seems to be a sweet spot. FYI.
Nah, anybody who actually runs an XC has had similar experience. This staccato P is a duty gun. The XC is a performance gun, not a duty gun. The XC is a great shooting gun, but there’s no free lunch.
@@hansmomberger8618 Interesting. I've not had the same experience as you.
I blame the air temperature it was shot in. staccatos can’t jam it needs to be exactly 72 degrees what do you expect any gun will jam if you don’t use loads of hopps number 9 black lube and use special expensive duty ammo
Blazer 115. Read back of box!!! “Do not use with ported or comped guns”!!!
That's more of a legal CYA because plated projos could theoretically be plated too thin and fall apart at the ports/comp ports and send shrapnel. This happens very very rarely since most manufacturers do a thick enough plating but shit happens.
Ok. Yes. And probably why Ben is having issues with the CCI and low pressure ammo. I’ve only had stove pipes with cci blazer brass on comped guns. Do not use on ported or comped. Have you had success with your comped guns and CCI Blazer?Many ammunition manufacturers use the same method for their jackets, begs the question why don’t they have a CYA on their boxes? CCI is quality ammo in my opinion. It just doesn’t run reliably with my XC,MR920, CR920P,92SF.
Staccato fan bois waiting with baited breath on every video Ben releases about the pistol to hear him say he's selling all his Glocks off and going strictly to Staccato. LOL.
definitely dont expect that... its a staccato, not an infinity or atlas
@@noclass2gun342 I'm no psychic but I don't see Ben ever giving up the Glock platform. Technology changes yes but he has such a complete control over this design that I don't see him dropping it out of the blue. But, there are plenty that hope he does for the spite of Glocks.
You should check out CTT Solutions torture test he ran on Staccato I think it was 10-12k rounds. Might be helpful
If the gun has a tight slide to frame fit keep the 7# recoil spring,give it a good cleaning and use Weapon Shield. Needs a break in with a tight fit. I'm sure they provided a good slide to frame fit for you.
115 grain blazer is very inconsistent. Sometimes it's average velocity, sometimes it's sub sonic at 5 yards.
1911's ( And their ilk.) like oil. Unlike Blocks, which don't really care. Break-ins periods are necessary, as well. 124 grain might be the ticket, for that pistol? And as always, thanks for the share!!
Oh boy.
My experience comped guns don't like 115 grain , needs more gas to operate like intended
I have had ZERO issues with my Staccato XC (5000 rounds+) which is set up with a progressive rate 7lb recoil spring from Eeman (shooting 115’s over 4.4 grains of VN320 which puts me comfortably over minor PF). My XC also works flawlessly in this configuration with every brand of commercial ammo I have run through it. Finally, I do something to my XC which you are notorious for NOT doing - clean it after 500 rounds. Tolerances are much tighter and therefore require more attention and lube. I can’t say if it’s the either the progressive spring or the cleaning that has proven successful for me….Im just confident the combo works. And don’t forget there’s a break in period too. Love your content Ben.
I"ve never shot 115s out of mine, only 124s. Mine LOVES 124 NATO and 124 S&B The Nato ammo makes it snap back very fast.
Put #9 spring in there should work better
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Seems like most comp'd guns simply don't like the light stuff and almost always need hotter ammo. I wonder how a standard P DUO would perform with Blazer.
I have a P DUO mounted with a DPP. 115gr Blazer runs well, as does everything else I've tried, with or without a DSC comped barrel. The XC is a different beast than the P.
The "sas" series from bul armory jams, a lot, and i get straight up attacked for saying as much lol
Does the ratchet come attached to the belt ???
What oil are you using? Ive found most gun oils dont stay on long, i use slideway oil, 68 grade
Here comes the $600 Stuccatos on private sale listings
Could you try atlas athena v2 and canik rival s.I have limp wristing problem when i squeeze my right it shakes a lot i shoot canik rival with limo wristing and no issues
Ben, but did you look good when it jammed? That’s all that matters.
tight tolerance 1911s are known to be finicky
Did you take it apart and remove the packing lube, then liberally lube it before shooting?
Entirely unrelated to this topic, but a question I've wanted to ask you... what do you think of Eric Grauffel's grip style?
What hammer spring is there? Also if the FP cover is square(ish) where it cocks the hammer... both of those can slow the slide movement as much as the slide spring.
Honestly not surprised. I'm not a fan of staccato and their quality compared to other companies.
I had very few malfunctions over 25k on the mpa. Currently at 3500 rounds of solid use on the reworked mpa after the barrel link broke around the 25k mark with zero malfunctions with blazer 115. You should try out the mpa ds9!
Did they hurt your feelings
@@HWG-wm8ld yes.... no but their price tag to performance hurts my head
Do you conceal carry this particular firearm?
Hi, Ben as i can see you run 507comp on mamy of your pistols.
Which sign are you using? I use 20 moa ring without central dot and I get good results with it.
Thanks for great content on UA-cam.
You won’t line his answer. He did a video explaining it
@@HWG-wm8ld what's the title od video?
@@Jachettt Ben uses just the dot.
So what kind of belt are you using?
Welcome to the 2011 experience.
If you’re looking for reliability, you need the p. That XC has like a 7lb spring and a comp, this isn’t a fair eval for reliability of a 2011.
Yeah but the guys wanting it to fail will love it and that gets views. Ours work flawlessly
yes, the xc spring is too weak from the factory imo
5:36 did you say you’re shooting el presidente in sub-4?? 🤨
He did, there's a video of him blazing it on his Instagram.
See. I told you Ben. :-)
The XC and XL won’t like softer ammo. The P and the C2 work with anything.