It’s more involved to do that with for instance a filter for sure, but not undo-able.
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For the curious ones !! Here's how the smart pan works M and S is split, M is converted to dual mono and independent filters (very gentle shelves, almost tilt EQ) are applied to the left and the right physical channels of that dual mono mid in order to tonally pan that mid signal and essentially turn the mono mid signal into stereo. At the same time, as you pan, the level of the side signal is tweaked accordingly in order to keep the perceived ratio of mids and sides similar across the whole range of the panner (that one is actually not plugin doctor-able haha). But yeah just leaving the sides alone doesn't work. Lots of experimentation was involved in order to create something that really sounds natural and good on as many sources as possible. It would be possible to rebuild this with maybe 7 plugins in a patcher style plugin but just achieving one setting would involve tweaking many parameters.. so basically impossible to use in a real situation. Cheers!
I bought this immediately it was released, just as with his previous plugin, Room Widener. They go great with some of the work I do, which Involves orchestral and ensemble sources mixed together with other tracks, and making it sound as if it is moving in a real space. There are alternatives I have that do some of this from e.g. Boz, and Hornet, inter alia, but this is probably the best for the material I mentioned. On simple sources pan and balance is ok, this is for when more is needed. I hope for Ambi and 7:1:4+ versions, but that will be a long development process! Thanks for the review.
Room widener is great. This also looks like a really useful as a one-plugin that's get it done.The Haas effect always sounds spooky to me, unless it is very slight. I imagine you can get away with it in mono if the adjustment is tiny enough, but it is hugely useful to have the built in mono button to double-check how it is working. The tonal pan in this demo sounds really nice. I use fancy tools from time to time, and I always check for mono compatibility; but mostly I just use my DAW's balance panning combined with general levelling and EQ to create depth. When I was young, about to set out to make my way in the world, my father and mother sat me down and gave me two valuable bits of advice. First, never try to ice-skate up hill. And I never have. Second, never pan-fry your own head. I thought I'd just pass that second one along in light of this video's opening.
I pan using the pan knob, exactly the same as Bob Clearmountain, Andy Wallace, and Tom Lord-Alge. Respectfully, what is the basis for your assertion that the best mixers in the world are panning incorrectly ? I'm curious to know.
"You move something from one side to the other and you're done." and then I spend 2 more days driving myself mad because the more I try to make it sound ok, the worse it gets. Yes, I suck lmao so this is a good video for me to watch.
Conventional panning has been done since forever... you're doing panning wrong ? ... no ! There's no right or wrong in the creative process ... it's a matter of perspective
Which pans do you use?
I really like that tonal pan! Other ways one could do that, of course, but I like the simplicity of this plug-in.
It’s more involved to do that with for instance a filter for sure, but not undo-able.
For the curious ones !!
Here's how the smart pan works
M and S is split, M is converted to dual mono and independent filters (very gentle shelves, almost tilt EQ) are applied to the left and the right physical channels of that dual mono mid in order to tonally pan that mid signal and essentially turn the mono mid signal into stereo.
At the same time, as you pan, the level of the side signal is tweaked accordingly in order to keep the perceived ratio of mids and sides similar across the whole range of the panner (that one is actually not plugin doctor-able haha). But yeah just leaving the sides alone doesn't work. Lots of experimentation was involved in order to create something that really sounds natural and good on as many sources as possible.
It would be possible to rebuild this with maybe 7 plugins in a patcher style plugin but just achieving one setting would involve tweaking many parameters.. so basically impossible to use in a real situation.
Cheers!
I bought this immediately it was released, just as with his previous plugin, Room Widener. They go great with some of the work I do, which Involves orchestral and ensemble sources mixed together with other tracks, and making it sound as if it is moving in a real space. There are alternatives I have that do some of this from e.g. Boz, and Hornet, inter alia, but this is probably the best for the material I mentioned. On simple sources pan and balance is ok, this is for when more is needed. I hope for Ambi and 7:1:4+ versions, but that will be a long development process! Thanks for the review.
Yeah, I like what Joel does. Really tools created from a mixer's perspective.
That is the best first half second of a video ever made
Maybe i should turn it into a thumbnail!
This looks like a great plugin to have in your toolbox. 😎
I think so too!
Greatest panning tool ever!
Great video! Thanks for the review.
Also your editing is epic, the sponsor spot is trippy hahaha
Thanks for creating this handy little tool!
Room widener is great. This also looks like a really useful as a one-plugin that's get it done.The Haas effect always sounds spooky to me, unless it is very slight. I imagine you can get away with it in mono if the adjustment is tiny enough, but it is hugely useful to have the built in mono button to double-check how it is working. The tonal pan in this demo sounds really nice.
I use fancy tools from time to time, and I always check for mono compatibility; but mostly I just use my DAW's balance panning combined with general levelling and EQ to create depth.
When I was young, about to set out to make my way in the world, my father and mother sat me down and gave me two valuable bits of advice. First, never try to ice-skate up hill. And I never have. Second, never pan-fry your own head. I thought I'd just pass that second one along in light of this video's opening.
But pan frying your head will give you toasty comments!
@@audiotoolshed Well, if the balance of risk to reward is worth it....
I pan using the pan knob, exactly the same as Bob Clearmountain, Andy Wallace, and Tom Lord-Alge. Respectfully, what is the basis for your assertion that the best mixers in the world are panning incorrectly ? I'm curious to know.
Whut?
Shut up
Interesting!
It is!
"You move something from one side to the other and you're done."
and then I spend 2 more days driving myself mad because the more I try to make it sound ok, the worse it gets.
Yes, I suck lmao so this is a good video for me to watch.
Overfocussing is certainly one of the traps we can fall into when mixing.
Curious to know which is best for hard panned rhythm guitars. Mine never aound wide enough. Im thinking the tonal pan might do it
the widener i'd say. But for widest simply record rhythm guitar twice and pan one har dleft and the other hard right.
Conventional panning has been done since forever... you're doing panning wrong ? ... no ! There's no right or wrong in the creative process ... it's a matter of perspective