I like the subtle spatiousness imparted by this. I didn't see anything on the web page or in this review about mono compatibility. I'd appreciate any comments on that.
Ah, never mind, I see you addressed this in response to Charles's question about mono sum.
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Hey Wytse! Thanks for reviewing my plugin! You are correct on many things, it's a little similar to a short reverb, however as you guessed, there's a little more under the hood. The main thing is the widening aspect that actually comes from the fact that the reflections are essentially stereo swapped and mirrored to the source meaning that a source panned left will have these ''early reflections'' on the right, therefore creating a spread, wheras a traditional short room doesn't do that. That's where the widening comes from. Basically the harder panned a source is, the more widening you get. And that is also true for mono content. The narrower bits of the signal get more dramatically widened (that's why it was dramatic on the vocal when you tested). To sum it up: - It's more dramatic on mono sources - Also on panned sources (mono or stereo). A hard L source will produce a hard R reflection. It is indeed possible to create that effect with several plugins but definitely a bit of a pain as this is meant to be used as a ''depth stage'' as an insert, so you would need patcher style plugins like Bluecat Patchwork. the ''ER'' are also designed to be very transparent and not really mess up the source (unless you use large settings on transients). I recommend keeping it subtle. Also it's better to use it "pre long reverb" on individual tracks and busses. Cheers and thanks again! Joël
Wow i was recently searching for a "room" plugin like Fame studio from IK mutlimedia, but was waiting for a sale, but this plugin could well be the thing i need i'm gonna do some research, thanks!
@@StotheEtotheB It does sound cool. Just curious, can you save multiple effects as an effects chain in your DAW? If so, why does it require more time to use multiple effects?
Sounds cool. What happens when you sum the output to mono?
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@@Charlie-Oooooo Multiple effects? Do you mean presets? There are no presets at this time but you could save a track preset in your DAW.
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@@Charlie-Oooooo Regarding the mono summing it's gonna depend on how strong of an effect you had. If you set it very loud on transient material you might notice a ''double transient'' or potential chorusing in mono. However you can have a pretty significant widening effect and very good mono compatibility with the right settings (using dampen helps a lot). There's a pretty good demo of how the sound holds up in mono on a sharp transienty instrument in the video on the top of my website.
It sounds a lot like the "Ultra-Depth" technique described by David Eley in Pro Audio Mastering Made Easy, where you take your 2-bus, send it to an aux, filter below around 100-150Hz and above 8kHz or so, shelve off some highs as needed (dampening function), delay the signal anywhere between 15-30ms, then swap left and right on the aux and invert polarity on one of the two sides before blending in that additional signal starting at around -15dB, up to -10dB or so. If you push it too far, you also get the fake double-tracked effect, and if you do it right, it can enhance the spatial image quite a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar to this was going on here.
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Sort of ! Different delay values for L and R, no polarity inversion though. I initially had a custom chain in Patchwork to do this and thought it deserved its own plugin as I use this process a ton for my client work.
1. Sum the output to mono - what happens? (Mono compatability) 2. If you need multiple effects to do the same thing organically yourself, why not just do it and save the effects chain? 3. No screws. Won't it fall out of the screen? ;) 4. All said, it does sound cool 👍
The same reason I sometimes prefer going out to eat even though I have all the ingredients at home. Also workflow. Maybe someone doesn't want to spend 10 minutes doing something a plugin can do in 10 seconds.
@@tilda140 I get it. But if your DAW supports saving a group of effects in a chain, then recalling that saved chain should also only take 10 seconds. But I get it. It's convenient.
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@@tilda140 Indeed, in a way you could say that any new EQ plugin is just the same thing with slightly different curves that you can all technically do with ProQ3 for example... You can go ahead and plugindoctor any plugin in trial mode and save your presets or screenshots.. Some EQ's with extra noise and almost inaudible distortion for the ''analog emulation''. Slate FG Bomber is a mix of compression, saturation and EQ, but still really useful and cool and is also definitely not a free plugin. So there's the convenience factor, and also the ear that tweaked the parameters and exact filter shapes and whatnot. Having all the parameters in one straightforward interface is a time saver. And the plugins that do something truly algorithmically groundbreaking like Soothe or gullfoss sell for 150-250. I think there's value in both kinds of tools. I very much enjoy not having to click as much and not having to deal with 3 windows to do that haha ! (I used to do this process in patchwork).
This is super super useful for orchestral music, for instance the cinematic studio series was recorded at Trackdown Studios, which not only has a very narrow sound which is something you could get away (to some degree) with well done panning and reverb, as well as mic positions of course, but it's super thin sounding too and doesn't fill da spcae, that's something I tried to compensate for and never really could until I tried Room Widener
I kind of dig this plugin. Seems like it would work fantastically when you have something that you quickly want to give a little space to and it does it in a pleasing way.
Their website says it pretty well. They are using filtered delays to essentially create the first reflections of a room without also adding feedback to make additional reflections. Really clever and inexpensive; I might just decide to need it!
It sounds like my try hard space/widening chain, dual mono, a very short delay on one side for haas effect, very short reverb with the mix up high, chorus/vibrato modulation etc. My quick version of that is Spread Light from Yum Audio and Valhalla Vintage Verb, again very short reverb with the mix up a bit higher than average, and use the modulation inside Vintage Verb. A dedicated plugin would be nice, and probably has some more advanced things happening under the hood but my methods both work for me.
You don't have to Create reflections to create "room" in the production sense. If you "Put it in a room" thats one thing, but "Room" on its own tends to imply stereo width, which can be achieved many ways without creating reflections. A few of the main ways to make as mono signal stereo without reflections are: spectral re-mapping in the stereo domain, multiband panning, stereo-re-positioning by phase, and im sure many im not familiar with. There are a few great airwindows plugins that do some kind of this effect, Distance and Distance 2, for example. You can also just use any plugin in a dual-mono configuration to create a different effect on one side. Compression and saturation can have a surprising effect there, making something pop out on one side in a transparent, naturalistic kind of way, and then afterwards you can use something like a stereo rotator to pan that effect around creatively.
This is interesting indeed. I will try to replicate it with some reverb that has a dedicated early reflection control. I think this is basically a reverb with decay on 0, and where only the early reflections are playing. I think you can do something like that with the Orilriver or the Voxengo verb.
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Yes but you need reflections that mirror the feeling of directionality of the source. Not a "centered" soup. Otherwise the widening effect might be a bit less.
@ normally I use two aux with the same reverb, but one points to the right (I will send here the instruments panned on the left) and the other to the left (for the instruments panned right), but I never tried to do that with early reflections only. That's a very ingenious yet logical idea, especially when it comes to orchestral music.
It works kind of like a harmonizer and chorus. Similar results you can achieve with soundtoys plugin called Microshift and you even have more control over the effect.
This plugin would save me about 3 or 4 steps in my mixing process no doubt, but that price tag is a tad steep in times like these. Also, you are absolutely right about the panning in the ambisonics algorithm (which I use personally through DearVR's plugs), adding a room helps the ear pick up on the subtle psychoacoustic cues necessary for a more convincing panning effect.
personally i think it's reasonable given he's a one man show and it's his first plug-in...also i've been plug-in buying and shopping for the past few months and this is priced reasonably well...i don't think the times necessarily determine workflow choices especially when there are many free quality plugins and even DAWS available these days...just my humble two cents
Thanks for your thoughts. I was already impressed by this, but I can't quite work out if it will be redundant in most of my mixing cases where other plugins are already in play.
Hi mate! Thanks for your efforts! I got a complicated question about reverb, but maybe you could provide an answer: When I would like to merge drum libraries (Toontrack) from different studios, I always struggle with the room acoustics. So I could deconvolve a signal from a drum library recorded in a certain studio B, to get the impuls response of that studios recording room. May I? We have the dry snare or hihat signal from the direct mic and the signal of different room mics. And then, with the IR of the reverb of studio B I can reproduce the room characteristics of studio B and it fits better in the mix. So far the idea. Now I need a special software or lots of brain cells ... and time. Did you try something like that, or have a guess if this is basically possible? Bye! Enjoy your weekend!
It worked really well on vocals, reminds me of Microshift or Micropitch but a little different. Snice!
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When used on a mono source, the stereo swapping aspect would be irrelevant so yeah it would be pretty close to microshift (a little more tranparent as I'm not doing pitch shifting). Glad you like it!
Simply adding several short delays where transients and high frequencies are tamed. Switch to mono to make it more clear. Or use a short impulse for testing.
I would suggest you to review the Schoeps mono upmix plugin as well. It's in the same category and is mono compatible (it get cancelled in mono). Really interesting for sound restoration of monophonic recordings but also for creative use on individual drum mics or even vocals, synths etc
Whatever that did to that vocal within the mix was pretty interesting, it seemed like it was oscillating but also moving/shifting sounds around in like a maneuvering kind of thing, maybe chorussy... I dont know , pretty wild .. I may need to demo this... great vid
Thanks for the review, I thought it sounded good. One thing I’d like to see with reviews of products that tout widening is a convolution meter on screen throughout.
What if you just compare it with a two-tap delay panned and filtered accordingly? Confusion can come from our auditory cortex when it filters out real stereo room information pretty effectively, but leaves you in "somehow more natural" feeling while you effectively hear at most just a tiny bit of space in sudden silences. :)
As some already correctly identified, this plugin adds reverb-less pre-delay aka. just a two panned delay taps. The taps themselves don't vary in timing relative to each other, just the total delay after the Dry signal changes with the Size parameter. Dampening filters the high frequencies out of the delay taps. Essentially this is using a Haas delay effect so it's easily recreatable in Timeless 3 or Volcano 3 for example (and there you have more options to customize the sound of it too).
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Close ! There's high pass filtering as well and the delays are stereo swapped in relation to the source. The delays are also longer than traditional ''haas'' and the values were set to sound good on as many sources as possible for the type of space they are trying to go for. This plugin isn't trying to do some crazy groundbreaking trickery but it's very effective and you also have the convenience factor.
this is almost like the room settings for a grand piano emulation, very nice...maybe a muti microphone setup and emulation of frequencies from that setup
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Yeah basically I wanted to create the most transparent space, sort of to simulate a more distant mic position from something without messing with the source too much. It's a pretty simple trick but that's the best way I found. As you go into more complicated ER it becomes messier so these ones are very simple.
Thanks Joel for taking the time to reply and also so many other informative replies in the other threads...So even though i have all the Valhalla plugins which i know i could simulate this effect a bit, how it sounds in this review and also the chorus-like effect sold me...will grab a copy today and try it on my next track thanks again 👍🏻
Wonder how thos compares with XFER’s Dimention expander. Or is this just a convoltion reverb with just 1 set IR with a real small size and short decay? 😂 🤔🤔🤔 Perhaps with a very subtle chorus under the hood as well? 🤔 🤔 Curious!
Just sounds to me like the early reflections part of a reverb. I used to use Duende X-verb to make early reflections manually for a natural sound. There you have a lot of early reflections control and not just a couple of knobs.
I realized that another great method for the vocal doubling effect would be to duplicate the vocal channel, apply the plugin and settings to only the duplicated vocal channel, hit the center button to "wet only", then EQ and effect that channel only. Keep the original as is, and have infinite options for the effected room channel.
It seems you are confused by the name of this plug-in. If you read the documentation of the plug-in, you would understand that it doesn't do any spatial widening, despite the name of the plug-in. It is supposed to create more spatial DEPTH, as in it makes the front to back soundstage sound bigger.
It's "doubling" the audio because it's just a stereo haas delay effect with a couple filters (the 'dampen' parameter being an adjustable lowpass). Could easily replicate this with stock plugins :)
This plugin is really neat when it comes to orchestral stuff. Since you're not getting the mic bleed from recorded groups of the orchestra, this plugin kinda fakes this and gives more diffusion by delaying amd swapping the original source in a nice musical way.
I've seen Joel do this in his mixing tutorials, so I imagine that's why he's created this plugin. Probably going to pick this up for that reason, can be really hard to tamp down high violins sometimes
Is it somehow similar to this delay and pan trick ? ua-cam.com/video/ww-cH29IGeM/v-deo.html I tried to build this manually but it ended up being too heavy cpu loading.
There has not been one of these effects I can't duplicate with lex pcm plug in and soundtoys microhift tl i think it's called ...now I have 30 euros to spend on croissants and coffee...
Ah for a second there I thought it was just a like 30ms slapback delay with no feedback and or band reject/comb filtering.. It appears Im not a smarty pants.
This is called ambience.... the doubling effect is due to the HF info in the room. If you high cut it it goes away.... now modulation in such short RT is weird though.
Check the new clips channel --> youtube.com/@whiteseaclips
I like the subtle spatiousness imparted by this. I didn't see anything on the web page or in this review about mono compatibility. I'd appreciate any comments on that.
Ah, never mind, I see you addressed this in response to Charles's question about mono sum.
Hey Wytse! Thanks for reviewing my plugin! You are correct on many things, it's a little similar to a short reverb, however as you guessed, there's a little more under the hood. The main thing is the widening aspect that actually comes from the fact that the reflections are essentially stereo swapped and mirrored to the source meaning that a source panned left will have these ''early reflections'' on the right, therefore creating a spread, wheras a traditional short room doesn't do that. That's where the widening comes from. Basically the harder panned a source is, the more widening you get. And that is also true for mono content. The narrower bits of the signal get more dramatically widened (that's why it was dramatic on the vocal when you tested).
To sum it up:
- It's more dramatic on mono sources
- Also on panned sources (mono or stereo). A hard L source will produce a hard R reflection.
It is indeed possible to create that effect with several plugins but definitely a bit of a pain as this is meant to be used as a ''depth stage'' as an insert, so you would need patcher style plugins like Bluecat Patchwork.
the ''ER'' are also designed to be very transparent and not really mess up the source (unless you use large settings on transients). I recommend keeping it subtle.
Also it's better to use it "pre long reverb" on individual tracks and busses.
Cheers and thanks again!
Joël
Wow i was recently searching for a "room" plugin like Fame studio from IK mutlimedia, but was waiting for a sale, but this plugin could well be the thing i need i'm gonna do some research, thanks!
@@StotheEtotheB It does sound cool. Just curious, can you save multiple effects as an effects chain in your DAW? If so, why does it require more time to use multiple effects?
Sounds cool. What happens when you sum the output to mono?
@@Charlie-Oooooo Multiple effects? Do you mean presets? There are no presets at this time but you could save a track preset in your DAW.
@@Charlie-Oooooo Regarding the mono summing it's gonna depend on how strong of an effect you had. If you set it very loud on transient material you might notice a ''double transient'' or potential chorusing in mono. However you can have a pretty significant widening effect and very good mono compatibility with the right settings (using dampen helps a lot). There's a pretty good demo of how the sound holds up in mono on a sharp transienty instrument in the video on the top of my website.
It sounds a lot like the "Ultra-Depth" technique described by David Eley in Pro Audio Mastering Made Easy, where you take your 2-bus, send it to an aux, filter below around 100-150Hz and above 8kHz or so, shelve off some highs as needed (dampening function), delay the signal anywhere between 15-30ms, then swap left and right on the aux and invert polarity on one of the two sides before blending in that additional signal starting at around -15dB, up to -10dB or so. If you push it too far, you also get the fake double-tracked effect, and if you do it right, it can enhance the spatial image quite a bit.
I wouldn't be surprised if something similar to this was going on here.
Sort of ! Different delay values for L and R, no polarity inversion though. I initially had a custom chain in Patchwork to do this and thought it deserved its own plugin as I use this process a ton for my client work.
@Thomas Osl Very cool, thanks. I will play with that, but I'm still going to try Joel's plugin though!
@ thank you, Joel. That was a good and totally, unselfish innovation that you did.
I like this. Welcome to my plug-in list.
I love how it sounds on vocals
1. Sum the output to mono - what happens? (Mono compatability)
2. If you need multiple effects to do the same thing organically yourself, why not just do it and save the effects chain?
3. No screws. Won't it fall out of the screen? ;)
4. All said, it does sound cool 👍
The same reason I sometimes prefer going out to eat even though I have all the ingredients at home. Also workflow. Maybe someone doesn't want to spend 10 minutes doing something a plugin can do in 10 seconds.
@@tilda140 I get it. But if your DAW supports saving a group of effects in a chain, then recalling that saved chain should also only take 10 seconds. But I get it. It's convenient.
@@tilda140 Indeed, in a way you could say that any new EQ plugin is just the same thing with slightly different curves that you can all technically do with ProQ3 for example... You can go ahead and plugindoctor any plugin in trial mode and save your presets or screenshots.. Some EQ's with extra noise and almost inaudible distortion for the ''analog emulation''.
Slate FG Bomber is a mix of compression, saturation and EQ, but still really useful and cool and is also definitely not a free plugin. So there's the convenience factor, and also the ear that tweaked the parameters and exact filter shapes and whatnot. Having all the parameters in one straightforward interface is a time saver.
And the plugins that do something truly algorithmically groundbreaking like Soothe or gullfoss sell for 150-250.
I think there's value in both kinds of tools. I very much enjoy not having to click as much and not having to deal with 3 windows to do that haha ! (I used to do this process in patchwork).
It sounds amazing on vocals
This is super super useful for orchestral music, for instance the cinematic studio series was recorded at Trackdown Studios, which not only has a very narrow sound which is something you could get away (to some degree) with well done panning and reverb, as well as mic positions of course, but it's super thin sounding too and doesn't fill da spcae, that's something I tried to compensate for and never really could until I tried Room Widener
omg hi Alonso
@@TiagoNugentComposer Hi Tago!
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Just for vocals alone its a great effect!
Sounds awesome on vocals, that might be worth it by itself.
That actually seems very useful and an ultra easy way to add some room without fumbling about with a reverb. I like it.
I kind of dig this plugin. Seems like it would work fantastically when you have something that you quickly want to give a little space to and it does it in a pleasing way.
That's the goal !!
This with Waves Factory Track Spacer is undoubtedly the mastered 90s/00s studio sound we all grew up with.
HAAS delay, like K Stereo, or the free version of K Stereo called SHEPPI
Is there a 64 bit Sheppi available ?
Their website says it pretty well. They are using filtered delays to essentially create the first reflections of a room without also adding feedback to make additional reflections. Really clever and inexpensive; I might just decide to need it!
Excellent. I think it will be great on "background" vocals.
It sounds like my try hard space/widening chain, dual mono, a very short delay on one side for haas effect, very short reverb with the mix up high, chorus/vibrato modulation etc. My quick version of that is Spread Light from Yum Audio and Valhalla Vintage Verb, again very short reverb with the mix up a bit higher than average, and use the modulation inside Vintage Verb. A dedicated plugin would be nice, and probably has some more advanced things happening under the hood but my methods both work for me.
Sounded really nice on that vocal for that track.
When you used it on vocals it sounded perfect!
You don't have to Create reflections to create "room" in the production sense. If you "Put it in a room" thats one thing, but "Room" on its own tends to imply stereo width, which can be achieved many ways without creating reflections. A few of the main ways to make as mono signal stereo without reflections are: spectral re-mapping in the stereo domain, multiband panning, stereo-re-positioning by phase, and im sure many im not familiar with. There are a few great airwindows plugins that do some kind of this effect, Distance and Distance 2, for example. You can also just use any plugin in a dual-mono configuration to create a different effect on one side. Compression and saturation can have a surprising effect there, making something pop out on one side in a transparent, naturalistic kind of way, and then afterwards you can use something like a stereo rotator to pan that effect around creatively.
its really nice for vocals
This is interesting indeed. I will try to replicate it with some reverb that has a dedicated early reflection control. I think this is basically a reverb with decay on 0, and where only the early reflections are playing. I think you can do something like that with the Orilriver or the Voxengo verb.
Yes but you need reflections that mirror the feeling of directionality of the source. Not a "centered" soup. Otherwise the widening effect might be a bit less.
@ normally I use two aux with the same reverb, but one points to the right (I will send here the instruments panned on the left) and the other to the left (for the instruments panned right), but I never tried to do that with early reflections only. That's a very ingenious yet logical idea, especially when it comes to orchestral music.
i thought the same thing as i've done this before with Valhalla Room...just dial down the pre delay or mix or depth but this plugin seems different
Thanks for the review! Reminds me ARVerb Room 😀
Feels like a Haas Effect with a little chorusing. Definitely worth the money!
It works kind of like a harmonizer and chorus. Similar results you can achieve with soundtoys plugin called Microshift and you even have more control over the effect.
This plugin would save me about 3 or 4 steps in my mixing process no doubt, but that price tag is a tad steep in times like these. Also, you are absolutely right about the panning in the ambisonics algorithm (which I use personally through DearVR's plugs), adding a room helps the ear pick up on the subtle psychoacoustic cues necessary for a more convincing panning effect.
personally i think it's reasonable given he's a one man show and it's his first plug-in...also i've been plug-in buying and shopping for the past few months and this is priced reasonably well...i don't think the times necessarily determine workflow choices especially when there are many free quality plugins and even DAWS available these days...just my humble two cents
Some of the modulation movement reminds me of the EMI adt technique. Not exactly the same but it has that movement and slight phasey feel.
I totally hear that Beatles sound with this plug in
2nd time the pink noise came in was perfect with Darude starting singing in this amazing version.
I like to emulate the same effect manually with other plugins but it takes time, so this is definitely worth the money.
Thanks for your thoughts. I was already impressed by this, but I can't quite work out if it will be redundant in most of my mixing cases where other plugins are already in play.
Great review! Thanks for bringing up ambisonic audio!
Just bought it. Sounds classy.
Did really liked this one, love the simple look of it, going to by it. thx
Can you please review the new Waves BB Tubes plugin. Folks seem to be raving about it, but I would like to hear your opinion.
This little tool is so good.
It reminds me of stereo widening with some reverb on it.
Hi mate! Thanks for your efforts!
I got a complicated question about reverb, but maybe you could provide an answer:
When I would like to merge drum libraries (Toontrack) from different studios, I always struggle with
the room acoustics.
So I could deconvolve a signal from a drum library recorded in a certain studio B, to get the impuls response of that studios recording room. May I?
We have the dry snare or hihat signal from the direct mic and the signal of different room mics.
And then, with the IR of the reverb of studio B I can reproduce the room characteristics of studio B and it fits better in the mix.
So far the idea. Now I need a special software or lots of brain cells ... and time.
Did you try something like that, or have a guess if this is basically possible?
Bye! Enjoy your weekend!
It worked really well on vocals, reminds me of Microshift or Micropitch but a little different. Snice!
When used on a mono source, the stereo swapping aspect would be irrelevant so yeah it would be pretty close to microshift (a little more tranparent as I'm not doing pitch shifting). Glad you like it!
Simply adding several short delays where transients and high frequencies are tamed. Switch to mono to make it more clear. Or use a short impulse for testing.
I could see this being very useful for me personally.
I would suggest you to review the Schoeps mono upmix plugin as well. It's in the same category and is mono compatible (it get cancelled in mono). Really interesting for sound restoration of monophonic recordings but also for creative use on individual drum mics or even vocals, synths etc
Whatever that did to that vocal within the mix was pretty interesting, it seemed like it was oscillating but also moving/shifting sounds around in like a maneuvering kind of thing, maybe chorussy... I dont know , pretty wild .. I may need to demo this... great vid
Thanks for the review, I thought it sounded good. One thing I’d like to see with reviews of products that tout widening is a convolution meter on screen throughout.
Really loved it on the vocal. Instantly becomes a lot "indie" iykwim
What if you just compare it with a two-tap delay panned and filtered accordingly? Confusion can come from our auditory cortex when it filters out real stereo room information pretty effectively, but leaves you in "somehow more natural" feeling while you effectively hear at most just a tiny bit of space in sudden silences. :)
It’s just early reflections. The valhalla room plugin also does thus wel
Tom Pettys Free Fallin melody always catches me. Always, always, always.
nice test as always... but I thought maybe Amek Mastering Compressor would be the next..... do you have that on your list .... ?
really pleasant version of sandstorm. :)
this could be extremly usefull on some of that dryass micbooth recordings.
No screws - no purchase! 😁 I think the price is brave. Thanks for the video!
As some already correctly identified, this plugin adds reverb-less pre-delay aka. just a two panned delay taps.
The taps themselves don't vary in timing relative to each other, just the total delay after the Dry signal changes with the Size parameter.
Dampening filters the high frequencies out of the delay taps.
Essentially this is using a Haas delay effect so it's easily recreatable in Timeless 3 or Volcano 3 for example (and there you have more options to customize the sound of it too).
Close ! There's high pass filtering as well and the delays are stereo swapped in relation to the source. The delays are also longer than traditional ''haas'' and the values were set to sound good on as many sources as possible for the type of space they are trying to go for. This plugin isn't trying to do some crazy groundbreaking trickery but it's very effective and you also have the convenience factor.
nice find! thanks!
Isnt it like a reverb without any tail ?
Reverb is a tail.....
@@morbidmanmusic with zero decay it's more like a room
I have been looking for a reverb that you actually feel and not hear " as reverb ", for ages. This could do the trick.
this is almost like the room settings for a grand piano emulation, very nice...maybe a muti microphone setup and emulation of frequencies from that setup
Yeah basically I wanted to create the most transparent space, sort of to simulate a more distant mic position from something without messing with the source too much. It's a pretty simple trick but that's the best way I found. As you go into more complicated ER it becomes messier so these ones are very simple.
Thanks Joel for taking the time to reply and also so many other informative replies in the other threads...So even though i have all the Valhalla plugins which i know i could simulate this effect a bit, how it sounds in this review and also the chorus-like effect sold me...will grab a copy today and try it on my next track thanks again 👍🏻
I liked several of the effects that it created, but this feels like a 'lite' version for a future full on version. very impressive though.
That second song had me dozing 🥱😴
nice early reflection model...exactly what i search to get more depths the easy way...
I use choral (free with komplete) and set it to two voices to do a similar effect
Does it do anything close to khs Ensemble or iZotope Vocal Doubler?
@@---pp7tq similar to vocal doubler!
Wonder how thos compares with XFER’s Dimention expander. Or is this just a convoltion reverb with just 1 set IR with a real small size and short decay? 😂
🤔🤔🤔
Perhaps with a very subtle chorus under the hood as well? 🤔 🤔
Curious!
Just sounds to me like the early reflections part of a reverb. I used to use Duende X-verb to make early reflections manually for a natural sound. There you have a lot of early reflections control and not just a couple of knobs.
Isn't it just reverb/chorusing the signal then cutting the tail via smooth gating?
sounds just like dimension expander from xfer
What song was this?
I realized that another great method for the vocal doubling effect would be to duplicate the vocal channel, apply the plugin and settings to only the duplicated vocal channel, hit the center button to "wet only", then EQ and effect that channel only. Keep the original as is, and have infinite options for the effected room channel.
This plugin has that nice "Spotify spatial wetness" when Amount pushed to 90+-100 wetness; Dampen pushed to 40%~47%.
Wasn't this doing just haas effect with some extra steps?
Adding Pre Delay?
so its basically reverb with no pd/decay?
I just realized that the sound of your intro is the same as that of the rick ross song "aston martin music" in the 0:19 😂😂
What about CPU usage?
Low, you can put hundreds in a session most likely.
Weiss advice did a pretty good video on this plug-in
i liked it!
It seems you are confused by the name of this plug-in. If you read the documentation of the plug-in, you would understand that it doesn't do any spatial widening, despite the name of the plug-in. It is supposed to create more spatial DEPTH, as in it makes the front to back soundstage sound bigger.
It's "doubling" the audio because it's just a stereo haas delay effect with a couple filters (the 'dampen' parameter being an adjustable lowpass). Could easily replicate this with stock plugins :)
No it’s not.
Well, what is it? He is right on his assumption..
"Mysterious Vibe" = Artificial Room Ambience
Kind of reminds me of an externaliser.
Would be better if you tested it on a dry sound source to really hear what it’s doing
Disable tail, only enable early reflections. Have it.
It’s BX StereoMaker
This plugin is really neat when it comes to orchestral stuff. Since you're not getting the mic bleed from recorded groups of the orchestra, this plugin kinda fakes this and gives more diffusion by delaying amd swapping the original source in a nice musical way.
I've seen Joel do this in his mixing tutorials, so I imagine that's why he's created this plugin. Probably going to pick this up for that reason, can be really hard to tamp down high violins sometimes
sounds like a delay on each side with different times
Tbh I can do it all in my daw. I use that effect on saw leads often
How would you do that?
@@tonal.states using a delay mostly
Mmm yummy. I bought it
How often do you get that "you and Steven Wilson look so much alike"
Sounds like it just adds early reflections. so like half a reverb plugin
Cool effect, but can also remake that in a DAW
Grab an impulse response to analyze it.
Sounds a bit like a stereo slap delay
They asked you to review it and didn't give you a license?!
Is it somehow similar to this delay and pan trick ?
ua-cam.com/video/ww-cH29IGeM/v-deo.html
I tried to build this manually but it ended up being too heavy cpu loading.
There has not been one of these effects I can't duplicate with lex pcm plug in and soundtoys microhift tl i think it's called ...now I have 30 euros to spend on croissants and coffee...
It's just a
Funny thumbnail face.
So early reflections. This is called early reflections. I'm pretty sure.
You look like KDH
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Ah for a second there I thought it was just a like 30ms slapback delay with no feedback and or band reject/comb filtering.. It appears Im not a smarty pants.
Its....... MAGIC! Probably made by the devil or one of his mates.
Probably it 's just an IR
This is called ambience.... the doubling effect is due to the HF info in the room. If you high cut it it goes away.... now modulation in such short RT is weird though.