Boeing vs. Airbus: Why Aviation’s Biggest Rivalry Is in Flux | WSJ

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  • Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
  • As Airbus is set to overtake Boeing to become the world’s largest plane maker by deliveries, WSJ explains how two jetliners-the 737 MAX and the A320neo-ended up at the center of the biggest rivalry in the aviation world.
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  • @DylanHK
    @DylanHK 4 роки тому +1696

    “Safety is our #1 priority”
    The whole reason the crisis happened was because of safety, or lack thereof.

    • @Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer
      @Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer 4 роки тому +96

      The Boeing 737 MAX. The *S* stands for safety.

    • @rifleshooterchannel208
      @rifleshooterchannel208 4 роки тому +15

      That whole issue arose because they were letting illiterate 70 IQ third worlders Pilot the thing.

    • @dhavalchheda1626
      @dhavalchheda1626 4 роки тому +111

      @@rifleshooterchannel208 Either are you ignorant or just a moron.

    • @rifleshooterchannel208
      @rifleshooterchannel208 4 роки тому +7

      Dhaval Chheda < Found a 70 IQ third worlder!

    • @torgrimmyt3549
      @torgrimmyt3549 4 роки тому +18

      @@rifleshooterchannel208 Just ask the FAA who pays their staff...

  • @HeavyLikesSandwich
    @HeavyLikesSandwich 4 роки тому +2117

    Boeing created their own problems when they started focusing on profits rather than safety and quality.

    • @guyhunter4313
      @guyhunter4313 4 роки тому +17

      that is not what happened they did it for the airlines because they already have pilots who can fly the 737 and don't want to spend the $30000 per pilot to retrain on a different aircraft boing executed it badly but also remember that the 737 is about 70% of boing total sayls and airbus was taking a huge chunk of the American market so they had to work quickly. so yes a little for mony but also a lot form the airlines because a lot of airlines went to boing and basically told them that they were going to have to upgrade the 737 so boing did.

    • @joesterling4299
      @joesterling4299 4 роки тому +14

      @Rata 4U No, he did more than that. He detailed how Boeing lost sight of safety in the search for profits in the 737-MAX case. Other than the horrible spelling, he did a good job too. The key point is that the aircraft itself is stable, and safe, but it is a *different* plane from previous iterations of the 737. Pilots need to be specifically trained to familiarize themselves with its handling and limits. The mortal sin is MCAS as implemented, in an effort to circumvent that special, needed training. Not only is trying to turn one airplane into another through software an inherently flawed proposition, but then they also screwed it up royally.

    • @chocomanger6873
      @chocomanger6873 4 роки тому +7

      The real problem is American "workmanship".

    • @gnuemacs1166
      @gnuemacs1166 4 роки тому +1

      Outsourcing to India you mean

    • @jazielwayne2178
      @jazielwayne2178 4 роки тому +7

      very true... airbus is doing fine on their own but now with Boeing's losses airbus has the upper hand and is leading

  • @VexSG
    @VexSG 4 роки тому +2664

    This isn’t a huge rivalry.
    They follow each other on Twitter

    • @miguel.a.contreras
      @miguel.a.contreras 4 роки тому +181

      @A P Probably not. It's competitive in a healthy way; there doesn't seem to be any vicious spite.

    • @MischaOfficial
      @MischaOfficial 4 роки тому +31

      A P they actually doesnt really compete as far as I seen. They pretty much like each other

    • @adwnj
      @adwnj 4 роки тому +30

      Well that's because they are a duopoly supported by geopolitical factors rather than rivals of a free market

    • @thomasgrabkowski8283
      @thomasgrabkowski8283 4 роки тому +5

      @@MischaOfficial and most airlines have aircraft from both companies

    • @nyomanari3994
      @nyomanari3994 4 роки тому +10

      @@miguel.a.contreras lol no, it's far from healthy. Yes if you look at the way both of them are besting each other. But it's a duopoly that we cannot be blind of. The aviation industry is advancing,yes but on a slow rate. Just imagine if aviation companies are as many as what you would see in the 50s and 60s.

  • @bob2000and10
    @bob2000and10 4 роки тому +1320

    Wendover: "So its war you want?"

    • @lie01234
      @lie01234 4 роки тому +103

      Wendover: Stay in you lane Wall Street Journal.

    • @matewhatthefuck6516
      @matewhatthefuck6516 4 роки тому +5

      Loool 😂

    • @crlruano
      @crlruano 4 роки тому +18

      I actually clicked expecting to hear his voice

    • @DA-bm2mj
      @DA-bm2mj 4 роки тому +4

      so by your logic, NO other channel must EVER even think of uploading a video about aviation, just because there's already some channel doing such videos?

    • @nyaluogowalter136
      @nyaluogowalter136 4 роки тому

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @jaymo9919
    @jaymo9919 3 місяці тому +34

    2018: it’s been a rough year for Boeing.
    2019: it’s been a rough year for Boeing.
    2020: it’s been a rough year for Boeing.
    2021: it’s been a rough year for Boeing.
    2022: it’s been a rough year for Boeing.
    2023: it’s been a rough year for Boeing.
    2024: it’s been a rough year for Boeing.

    • @MsMissX
      @MsMissX Місяць тому +2

      Edit:
      2024: it’s been a rough year for Boeing - so far. It can still be worse.

  • @L7CK7
    @L7CK7 4 роки тому +1692

    The longer the 777X gets delayed, the happier Airbus is.

    • @gnranger
      @gnranger 4 роки тому +158

      Better to get a delay than have an uncontained engine failure.

    • @HitarthSheth
      @HitarthSheth 4 роки тому +4

      @@gnranger true

    • @Adrianlovesmusic
      @Adrianlovesmusic 4 роки тому +34

      Better not have anything like mcas

    • @x97k8
      @x97k8 4 роки тому +13

      @@Adrianlovesmusic it doesn't mcas is only for the max because of the design which is stupid of Boeing

    • @modelaviation6930
      @modelaviation6930 4 роки тому +30

      I am an airbus fan but as an avgeek I love the 777x and want to see it flying.

  • @MEATYOKERRable
    @MEATYOKERRable 4 роки тому +486

    “Boeing has had a really rough year”.... Well, serves them right.... their stupid management brought this all down upon them.

    • @Embargoman
      @Embargoman 4 роки тому +3

      People in Alabama are now happy campers because everybody is all over America is buying planes that are built in Mobile, Alabama.

    • @1alandei171
      @1alandei171 4 роки тому +3

      I think the relatives of the Indonesians and Ethiopians had a much rougher year.

    • @johnpatricklim4509
      @johnpatricklim4509 3 роки тому +1

      @@Embargoman that's where the airbus US factory is located right...?

    • @Embargoman
      @Embargoman 3 роки тому +1

      @@johnpatricklim4509 Mobile, Alabama

    • @johnpatricklim4509
      @johnpatricklim4509 3 роки тому +1

      @@Embargoman they even took the a220 from bombardier for only 1 dollar and make it in alabama to pass the 300% tariff imposed by boeing thru their government lackeys...

  • @pirateboss1128
    @pirateboss1128 4 роки тому +587

    The difference is 1 goes up the other goes down

    • @dimasgrey
      @dimasgrey 4 роки тому +6

      💀💀💀

    • @MM_405
      @MM_405 4 роки тому +6

      PirateBoss1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Best comment ever!!!! Why? Cuz you’re speaking truth!

    • @vincem4756
      @vincem4756 4 роки тому +2

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @flybyjose5161
      @flybyjose5161 4 роки тому +4

      Airbuses aren’t real planes, they are a just aluminum attached to a Atari controller

    • @alexdev5809
      @alexdev5809 4 роки тому

      hahhahahahahahaha

  • @flowerflower1154
    @flowerflower1154 4 роки тому +552

    Boeing CEO. ”safety is important!”
    Wow...

    • @SG003
      @SG003 4 роки тому +30

      You didn't get it 'safety' means safety of their bank balance

    • @thomashalsted1888
      @thomashalsted1888 4 роки тому +3

      Something, something, GrayStillPlays, something, something.

    • @TChowdhury00
      @TChowdhury00 4 роки тому +3

      after taking lot of innocent peoples life🤬🤬

    • @noxichor4285
      @noxichor4285 4 роки тому +2

      Honestly it was also because the pilots weren’t comfortable enough flying without auto-pilot, Boeing definitely needs to be better about testing though

    • @TChowdhury00
      @TChowdhury00 4 роки тому +6

      @@bucky822 did he mention anything about Airbus?

  • @FlightTime320
    @FlightTime320 4 роки тому +244

    MCAS = May crash any second.

  • @windshearahead7012
    @windshearahead7012 4 роки тому +515

    Boeing : safety is our top priority
    2, 737 max crashes : hold my MCAS

    • @mwbgaming28
      @mwbgaming28 4 роки тому +31

      DC-10: hold my cargo door

    • @Exotic4M3
      @Exotic4M3 4 роки тому +8

      @@mwbgaming28 Paper Plane: *AMATUERS*

    • @FirstnameLastname-be8pn
      @FirstnameLastname-be8pn 4 роки тому +5

      777x hold my cargo door

    • @jagerbombasstic
      @jagerbombasstic 4 роки тому +2

      Well if you actually know what happened... it was pilot error. The issue that happened properly trained pilots can easily get through it literally a switch. But if you didn't notice both crashes were from 3rd world countries that are on the come up. It was pilot error but media likes to go after corporations because it sells.

    • @windshearahead7012
      @windshearahead7012 4 роки тому +20

      JagerBombasstic it wasn’t pilot error. It was Boeing failure to include in the manuals about the MCAS and what to do in case it fails. Pilots were unaware of it and what to do. They weren’t trained for it

  • @godzillaepic
    @godzillaepic 4 роки тому +198

    Boeing CEO: Money is our first priority....i meant Safety is our first priority

    • @Eisenbison
      @Eisenbison 4 роки тому +3

      Happy to cut back on costs and safety measures as long as he gets to line his pockets with a little extra cash.
      Scumbag through and through.

    • @godzillaepic
      @godzillaepic 4 роки тому +3

      @@Eisenbison most CEO the same always an excuse saying I have shareholders to answer to

    • @northwestthrills3453
      @northwestthrills3453 2 роки тому +1

      airbus did the same thing with the a310 and the auto throttle, and I don't see anyone talking about that

  • @jarupongch
    @jarupongch 4 роки тому +69

    Here's a new game for ya, take a drink every time Boeing mention "Safety is our number one priority"

    • @artificialavocado9652
      @artificialavocado9652 4 роки тому +4

      Man I’d be as drunk as a pilot by the time we are done.

    • @MsMinoula
      @MsMinoula 4 роки тому

      Probably number 5, though

    • @dihydrogenmonoxide9210
      @dihydrogenmonoxide9210 2 роки тому

      @@artificialavocado9652 why blame pilots? blame Boeing upper management .

    • @markfung5654
      @markfung5654 5 місяців тому

      I can't, I was drunk by minute 3.

  • @lie01234
    @lie01234 4 роки тому +133

    Boeing: Trial and error is the most effective cost measure.

    • @TheTeknus
      @TheTeknus 4 роки тому

      Sadly they leave it to their customer

  • @vernnoir
    @vernnoir 4 роки тому +62

    "Safety is our responsibility"
    *oh really?*

  • @burkiwa
    @burkiwa 4 роки тому +172

    Why put text in the video, at the end, and then cover a third of it with a box with another video that they would like you to watch?

    • @ajmomoho
      @ajmomoho 4 роки тому +4

      You could say that for most videos on UA-cam with their current format.

    • @eudofia
      @eudofia 4 роки тому +18

      Bill Burki That is UA-cam's fault. It automatically suggests videos at the end of the current playing video, putting a box over the video. It is annoying. Maybe content creators should anticipate this, and maybe put a few seconds of blank space or credit roll at the end of their videos.

    • @simonstylites8316
      @simonstylites8316 4 роки тому +1

      I didn't notice. Simply because I wasn't watching. The audio was so low and full of sizzles. I can't watch and listen at the same time

    • @yammmit
      @yammmit 4 роки тому +1

      Simon Stylites I heard no sizzles and it’s not low at all. I think your ears have a problem.

    • @simonstylites8316
      @simonstylites8316 4 роки тому +1

      Lets not go that lane sir. Lets be respectful of each other.
      Nope. There's nothing wrong with my ears. don't you think its weird that the one not hearing what I am saying is the one telling me that? Maybe I used the wrong word since English is not my first language. In any case there's distortion. Would you like to show some instrumentation results?

  • @jrs89
    @jrs89 4 роки тому +238

    WSJ vs. Wendover: Why UA-cam Aviation’s Biggest Rivalry Is in Flux

  • @LaidBackFellow
    @LaidBackFellow 4 роки тому +223

    Airbus=ticket to your destination.
    Boeing= ticket to your grave.

    • @scruffyy111
      @scruffyy111 3 роки тому +23

      @Boeing 777x silence, look at your past of boeing

    • @tomato5509
      @tomato5509 3 роки тому +20

      @Boeing 777x Ewww Boring Fan 🤮🤮🤮

    • @aliabu9756
      @aliabu9756 3 роки тому +7

      Exactly.. Boeing is dangerous cos being controlled by the usa gov. Just look at the numerous tragedy linked to boeing i.e mh370 etc. They hold the control room at pentagon perhaps lol. Can tke over anytime anywhere ah so convenient and fabulous.

    • @Arya-Aviation
      @Arya-Aviation 3 роки тому +2

      @Boeing 777x no im here to get rid of ur ugly airplane design @747

    • @tomato5509
      @tomato5509 3 роки тому +1

      @@Arya-Aviation To be honest 747-400 Looks pretty Ugly

  • @izumishimomura8438
    @izumishimomura8438 3 роки тому +38

    Boeing CEO: "Safety is our priority"
    Also Boeing: "clicks~ pull up...pull up...pull up..."

    • @northwestthrills3453
      @northwestthrills3453 2 роки тому

      airbus did the same thing with the a310 and the auto throttle, and I don't see anyone talking about that

    • @sergiolaurencio7534
      @sergiolaurencio7534 2 роки тому

      @@northwestthrills3453 that rights

    • @Ericgomez214
      @Ericgomez214 2 роки тому +2

      @Derp Inshmurtz bro he’s been saying that same thing in every comment, Boeing must be paying him

  • @tapper9151
    @tapper9151 2 місяці тому +10

    This video didn’t age well. Airbus is completely dominating Boeing

  • @RNTD2480
    @RNTD2480 4 роки тому +165

    CEO of boeing: Safety is the most important thing
    Me: ye I doubt that buddy

    • @ANonymous-vu5zn
      @ANonymous-vu5zn 4 роки тому +8

      @@bucky822 well say that to the victims family

    • @chungusisamemer8167
      @chungusisamemer8167 4 роки тому

      Profit is the nost important one. Without profit boeing could not afford to make more planes etc.

    • @Ericgomez214
      @Ericgomez214 2 роки тому +1

      @@bucky822 literally half of the planes u mentioned have had problems as well yet u call the other guy uneducated, 😂

  • @Mike34543
    @Mike34543 4 роки тому +324

    Greatest difference between two is one can fly, the other can't.

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 4 роки тому +8

      Rong WRONG !!! The Max will out perform the scarebus !!! Pilots have to know how to actually fly the plane and not be just third world "computer pilots" !!!!!!

    • @limesaviation2602
      @limesaviation2602 4 роки тому +85

      Wilbur Finnigan Shut up you Boeing fanboy the 737 Max sucks and you know it

    • @CAL1MBO
      @CAL1MBO 4 роки тому +85

      @@wilburfinnigan2142 Funny you say scarebus, because the 737 is the jet falling out of the skies this year.

    • @guillaumeromain6694
      @guillaumeromain6694 4 роки тому +24

      @@wilburfinnigan2142 Overuse of punctuation, Trying to convey biased illusions through cap locks... add in the mix an inability to see facts as they are, and you get all the tell tale signs of a sorry-looking moron....
      Been having a tough time, you failed Boeing fan boy... Boeing has become a disaster and you know it. 737 is a total dud. All those groundings, first flight delays... what a joke!

    • @guillaumeromain6694
      @guillaumeromain6694 4 роки тому +5

      Scream liner and 737 May Crash At any Second are no match for Airbus. Boeing number one in number twos

  • @1compaqedr8
    @1compaqedr8 4 роки тому +223

    How about they engineer a plane without stability problems requiring overreaching software.

    • @Hornet135
      @Hornet135 4 роки тому +23

      C J how about you not write about things which you do not understand

    • @ralphmacchiato3761
      @ralphmacchiato3761 4 роки тому +6

      You use your brain for walking, don't you?

    • @deoxue6327
      @deoxue6327 4 роки тому +7

      Idiot there’s a reason why they didn’t reengineer the Boeing 737
      And that reason is cost

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 4 роки тому +1

      With FBW, you don't need a stable airframe. Airbus did that (FBW) in the 80s

    • @John-yg2rt
      @John-yg2rt 4 роки тому +4

      @@rkan2 yes, mechatronics allow planes to deliberately be "unstable" while flying

  • @kas4751
    @kas4751 4 роки тому +60

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’ll never fly on the 737 Max. If you as an airline company choose 737 Max as your fleet, I’ll avoid flying with you. And I’m sure I’m not alone. Therefore if you want to be profitable, skip the 737 Max and get the A320 Neo instead. I’m not willing to gamble my life on an airplane that has the tendency to dive uncontrollably.

  • @mcook-69don
    @mcook-69don 4 роки тому +147

    Airbus has a major backlog they have to fill. Business should be great right now.

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 4 роки тому +3

      M cook Airbus at this time has a backlog that will take 8 years to fill at oresent production rates, as does Boeing with the 737, airlines cannot just go buy the other plane !!!! Airbus exist ONLY because years back with airline growth Boeing experienced a large back order and airbus jumped in to take advantage of the situation !! ! Notice too how the A320 looks liken the 737 ???? Every wonder why ????

    • @Soordhin
      @Soordhin 4 роки тому +55

      @@wilburfinnigan2142 Actually, the A320 and 737 look distinctly different. And are distinctly different, i should know, i have flown the 737 for 15 years and now fly the A320 for 5 years.
      The general characteristics are the same obviously, as they aim for the same market space. So both are a fuselage with a set of wings, a rudder and a stabilizer plus two underslung engines. Well, not underslung for the 737 MAX anymore which causes the problem that MCAS tried to fix. Pretty much all current commercial jets share those characteristics however, just the size changes depending on the intended market space in terms of range and number of seats.
      Airbus exists because back then the european aerospace manufacturers put their business into one integrated company to be able to compete on the world market, of course initially helped by their respective governments which was allowed at that time. And then Airbus actually build a compelling product and of course that did sell eventually. A huge factor is that crew training is extremely cheap when moving from one plane to another, and airlines routinely use the same crew to fly A320 and A350 or A330 or even all three, or fly the A330 and A340, that does allow very efficient crew planning and reduces the number of crews that are needed for any given operation. Of course that is only possible as pretty much all airbus flightdecks are very similar in controls and operation.

    • @nicolasblume1046
      @nicolasblume1046 4 роки тому +24

      @@wilburfinnigan2142 go and do your homework kid.
      Airbus first plane, the A300, introduced new technologies and filled a gap in the market.
      The a320 is much more modern than the 737 and better suited for future upgrades (partly because it got more room for the engines under the wing)
      And the a380 has no competition at all

    • @alek488
      @alek488 4 роки тому +2

      That will cause airlines to buy the airbus A220 (aka bombardier CS-100 and CS-300)

    • @AK-xp9ii
      @AK-xp9ii 4 роки тому +13

      Nicolas Blume he’s probably just an american nationalist who hates everything not made in the US lol

  • @SG003
    @SG003 4 роки тому +47

    737Max - the widow maker

  • @mumyadomuez9223
    @mumyadomuez9223 4 роки тому +170

    Airbus: an good plane
    Boeing: the best plane for going verticaly downwards

    • @krashd
      @krashd 4 роки тому +26

      @@bucky822 No, they aren't, they were until around 1998.

    • @charleyhibschweiler4555
      @charleyhibschweiler4555 4 роки тому

      Well they make F/A-18 Hornets... So yeah they are the best.

    • @mumyadomuez9223
      @mumyadomuez9223 4 роки тому +2

      Bundeswehr excuse me but i said “the best plane for going verticaly downwards” not the whole company so u get a life

    • @bucky822
      @bucky822 4 роки тому

      @@mumyadomuez9223 the best plane for going vertically wouldnt be a Boeing plane

    • @guy3639
      @guy3639 4 роки тому +3

      @@charleyhibschweiler4555 well airbus makes Eurofighter Typhoon so yeah airbus is better.

  • @ehut12
    @ehut12 4 роки тому +264

    If it ain’t airbus i’m taking a bus!

    • @franksmall7481
      @franksmall7481 4 роки тому +4

      WELL WHEN ONE OF THOSE AIRBUS PLANES, CRASHES YOU CAN WALK ARE TAKE A BUS, PLEASE, STAY AWAY FROM BOEING, WE LIKE OUR AMERICAN PLANES.

    • @leifvejby8023
      @leifvejby8023 4 роки тому +75

      @@franksmall7481 If it's a Boeing I ain't going

    • @mrgold3845
      @mrgold3845 4 роки тому +14

      @@franksmall7481 they don't really crash that much.

    • @tryomama
      @tryomama 4 роки тому +28

      @@franksmall7481 I went on Airbus planes 16 times this year. They didn't shake and it's super quite. Went on a Boing plane once. It shake so bad and it's loud. So, no. I am taking the bus.

    • @Jack3md
      @Jack3md 4 роки тому +3

      @@tryomama Airbus planes starting up sound like a dog barking. You most likely flew on an older Boeing plane in its 20-30 year range. Which no doubt, Airbus or Boeing will be loud and noisy at that age. New Boeing planes are just as quiet as Airbus. I prefer Boeing, such as the 787 and 777-300ERs.

  • @eSysmanSuperYachts
    @eSysmanSuperYachts 4 роки тому +60

    "The Airbus has had a good year by not making planes that crash into the ground."

  • @jaridkeen123
    @jaridkeen123 4 роки тому +171

    The 737Max is not ever going to work, its engine sits to high on the wing. They need to scrap the plane, its a poor design.

    • @aidanbegovic9584
      @aidanbegovic9584 3 роки тому +13

      That's why they introduced software to keep the plane level cus the engine is too high,but the system thought that the plane was climbing when it was level so it pushes the nose down,and (very shortly) that's what caused the crashes of the max

    • @prisonermonkeys8613
      @prisonermonkeys8613 3 роки тому +5

      The 737Max is better than any Airbus aircraft. The issue is that the EU is corrupt and certifying Airbus planes which should not.

    • @johnsmithwatson
      @johnsmithwatson 3 роки тому +19

      They fixed it with "software update". What a joke.

    • @johnsmithwatson
      @johnsmithwatson 3 роки тому +5

      Those engineering flaw, no matter how good sensor & sofware are, it'll FAIL someday. And when that happen, just say pilot have full control manually. Not much pilot get used to manual control nowadays, everything are automatic. It seems there's price for human life at Boeing.

    • @noahfremont6310
      @noahfremont6310 3 роки тому +16

      Totally agree. I can't believe how many people think that it's a good plane when the physical design is flawed. Your betting on software to keep you safe.

  • @nid4u
    @nid4u 4 роки тому +410

    Things learnt from this video - Nothing

    • @lie01234
      @lie01234 4 роки тому +43

      @@adelaideaviation2047 The point of the comment is this video is not informative. Just like your question.

    • @lie01234
      @lie01234 4 роки тому +6

      @@adelaideaviation2047 Very, very though.

    • @lie01234
      @lie01234 4 роки тому

      @@adelaideaviation2047 Was that a statement or a question? Do you understand English?

    • @lie01234
      @lie01234 4 роки тому +3

      @@adelaideaviation2047 I don't think you understand punctuation.

    • @lie01234
      @lie01234 4 роки тому

      @@adelaideaviation2047 What type of punctuation does a username needs? Enlighten me with your English.

  • @vkgiotis
    @vkgiotis 4 роки тому +27

    The real issue: new engines have large diameter in order to reduce noise. New engines could not retrofitted to the 747 max because wings were too low on the 737 and the engines would touch the ground. So the designers were instructed to mount the new engines a higher and off centre. However, the problem with this is that aircraft would pitch down. The solution to this was the software, which would automatically correct the pitch of the aircraft. The problem was that was a Boeing selected a cheap fix (i.e not redesigning the wings) and also opted for cheap software (i.e. they retrenched their experienced software engineers and hired lower cost inexperienced programmers). The management thought that they could offer a better product than Airbus as a lower cost. Unfortunately it did not work out that way.
    Therefore, is classic case study, where management instructed in reducing the quality of Boeing engineering, which bit them hard on the back side. Unfortunate people also had to die in the process as well.

    • @hammerscharlie1935
      @hammerscharlie1935 Рік тому +1

      Do you have any links of this study?

    • @miks564
      @miks564 8 місяців тому +5

      ...the tendency was to pitch up, not down. And it's also important to note, that there was absolutely no problem what so ever with that.
      It was just a tendency of the Max easily compensated by any pilot.
      But Boeing wanted to avoid new pilot certification for the Max to avoid extra costs for their clients with extra time wasted on training of a new aircraft. So they inserted a computer operation to counter balance that tendency.
      ...but they've decided to do it with one single computer (before the Max changes, all 737s only operate 1 single computer under normal conditions) and that based on signals from one single sensor. No redundancy.
      ...and basically they did it, without proper explaining the system (MCAS) to anyone. So pilots had to guess there was a program running interfering with the trim of the aircraft ...and that they needed to switch off the trim assistance to avoid it.
      As if that was not enough, even switching off the auto trim, the aircraft attitude could be so extreme already, that the physical force needed to fix the trim manually (737 is an analogue aircraft) might be very too difficult or even impossible to apply. Also, switching auto-pilot back in, could rearm the auto-trim.
      Interesting stuff to discuss at a table meeting, not on a cockpit of a diving plane.

    • @TroPy1n
      @TroPy1n 8 місяців тому +1

      @@miks564 yeah, Ron Howard has a great doc about it on Netflix. Harrowing to know those pilots didn't know about MCAS, and applied their training while not knowing they were fighting an invisible ghost

  • @ewangunn3656
    @ewangunn3656 4 роки тому +291

    Something tells me that the 737 max will never fly again

    • @ruirodtube
      @ruirodtube 4 роки тому +70

      Ewan Gunn good point. They’ll probably change the model’s name to reassure the public.

    • @Rock_Girl_Daze
      @Rock_Girl_Daze 4 роки тому +6

      Never Yield 😳

    • @Rock_Girl_Daze
      @Rock_Girl_Daze 4 роки тому +5

      Ewan Gunn I hope you are right.

    • @AdarshRajCR7
      @AdarshRajCR7 4 роки тому +18

      Yes.. because if 737 max is cleared by faa and good forbid it crashes again then Boeing will be no more. Also faa will stain their credibility.

    • @FredBloggsTheThird
      @FredBloggsTheThird 4 роки тому +8

      @vachief err ok

  • @harikriszz9872
    @harikriszz9872 2 роки тому +12

    Boeing- book your favourite graveyard
    Airbus- book your favourite destination

  • @THYB737
    @THYB737 4 роки тому +56

    Boeings CEO: "is a Safety is our no1 priority"
    Boeing should be really careful using these words after they proved the opposite.

    • @rollog1248
      @rollog1248 4 роки тому +2

      It was two planes used by incompetent pilots, of course they'll crash, no amount of automation fixes an idiot pilot.

    • @F117DJS
      @F117DJS 4 роки тому +5

      I think he make safety for their profits is their priority. A simple misunderstanding surely. 🙄

    • @317riflepro1996
      @317riflepro1996 4 роки тому +2

      @@rollog1248 Hello, the plane was so flawed fundamentally that it needed an augmentation system to realign its climb angle. Using an electronic augmentation system to counter a fundamentally bad design was a bad idea to begin with, everyone would know that technology systems are prone to failure and it shouldn't be used as a replacement on critical areas such as safety systems.

    • @nontonteve2485
      @nontonteve2485 4 роки тому +4

      @Sprunk Soda: Way to go. Please keep on blaming the customers until they shop from someone else.

    • @kelvinsmith4894
      @kelvinsmith4894 4 роки тому +4

      Sprunk Soda what do you know? My guess is nothing except how to open your mouth.

  • @JoshDoesTravel
    @JoshDoesTravel 4 роки тому +9

    A better way to start it would be:
    * shows 737 Max* This is a death trap
    * shows A320Neo* This is not

  • @curious5691
    @curious5691 4 роки тому +15

    When Southwest flys the 737 Max, I’ll give up the two free bags to find another flight.

  • @asarkar6486
    @asarkar6486 4 роки тому +13

    This is a very good EXCUSE piece for Boing from WSJ..! 😂

  • @smokeypillow
    @smokeypillow 4 роки тому +42

    So why is the like/dislike bar disabled>

    • @Droidman1231
      @Droidman1231 4 роки тому +11

      I don't know if I've ever seen a video with enabled comments but disabled likes/dislikes 😂

    • @7jacksonj
      @7jacksonj 4 роки тому

      It's wapo

    • @EL15E
      @EL15E 4 роки тому

      The dislikers are Boeing so we can guess how many of them.

    • @johncatty6560
      @johncatty6560 4 роки тому +2

      It is not disabled. The only thing that is disabled is the counter values to be seen by the users. You can still hit like/dislike.

    • @smokeypillow
      @smokeypillow 4 роки тому +4

      @@johncatty6560 I know that, it's always sus when the like/dislike bar is disabled for viewers to see

  • @DA-bm2mj
    @DA-bm2mj 4 роки тому +96

    the fact that the like/dislike buttons are disabled makes me want to dislike this video.

    • @Jebusmike3
      @Jebusmike3 4 роки тому +6

      #metoo

    • @chocomanger6873
      @chocomanger6873 4 роки тому +7

      Remember when the thumbs down function used to work? Now it's just part of the design, with no function.

  • @julianreverse
    @julianreverse 4 роки тому +22

    Airbus just received a 700 planes order from India in the last week ...

  • @gaae2000
    @gaae2000 5 місяців тому +6

    all Boeing 737Max are now grounded.

    • @monberg1000
      @monberg1000 5 місяців тому +1

      And not a day too soon. Boeing 737max is just too unreliable. We hear about problems with this type time and time again.
      Airbus on the other hand we never hear of. And that's how it should be.
      I will never fly with Boeing. I have no trust in them anymore.

  • @jimholder2041
    @jimholder2041 4 роки тому +9

    If it's Boeing, I'm not going.

    • @johncatty6560
      @johncatty6560 4 роки тому

      Read that so many times in many years. If you had chosen JT610 or ET302 you would not think that way.

    • @franksmall7481
      @franksmall7481 4 роки тому

      WELL FLY AIRBUS ARE WALK.

  • @honestycounts9352
    @honestycounts9352 4 роки тому +19

    Remove that MCAS system, and install additional non-moving aerodynamic tail surfaces that would negate any 'lift' created by the engines at high angles of attack. This would give the plane 'natural' stability, regardless of the tail's control surface position, and would make the MCAS system unnecessary. Anyone could figure out this simple solution to the 737-MAX's instability problem, right?

    • @RadioNul
      @RadioNul 2 роки тому

      yeah but then pilots need to be retrained or something $$$

  •  4 роки тому +10

    Airbus won't kill you to make a profit.

    • @andybrice2711
      @andybrice2711 27 днів тому

      This comment aged like a fine wine.

  • @electango9166
    @electango9166 4 роки тому +11

    The equivalent to that joke some north americans used to like: "If it is Boeing, I ain't going".

  • @MrKaravaj
    @MrKaravaj Рік тому +5

    Airbus no doubt

  • @floringalea9112
    @floringalea9112 4 роки тому +14

    Not going to be a rivalry for much longer if Boeing doesn't pull it together.

    • @voltlab2337
      @voltlab2337 4 роки тому +1

      Boeing doesn't just do commercial aviation just ask the us airforce, they will be just fine

    • @neillenhart6838
      @neillenhart6838 4 роки тому +2

      It’s still a duopoly, Boeing has solidified their place in aviation. Also like the comment before me, Boeing has been and will in all likely hood remain the US government’s number 1 defense contractor.

    • @voltlab2337
      @voltlab2337 4 роки тому

      @@neillenhart6838 facts

  • @hiapom9590
    @hiapom9590 4 роки тому +76

    If they ever bring back the Max, I'm definitely going to schedule my travel bookings AROUND it to avoid it whenever possible.

  • @sz157sz157
    @sz157sz157 4 роки тому +30

    Airbus is roomier so my votes to it!

    • @John-yg2rt
      @John-yg2rt 4 роки тому +10

      The roominess of an aircraft cabin is largely determined by the airline you’re flying on, not the brand of the aircraft itself. For example an American Airlines A320 will have alot more room on it than a Spirit Airlines A320

    • @theglitch312
      @theglitch312 4 роки тому +2

      @@John-yg2rt True, seat layout largely determines the available room for passengers to move around in. And airlines, not aircraft manufacturers, choose the seat layouts.

    • @voltlab2337
      @voltlab2337 4 роки тому +1

      The size of your seating is actually completely decided by the airline

    • @sz157sz157
      @sz157sz157 4 роки тому +3

      When I seat near the window in Boeing the curvature of the fuselage touches my head. In airbus I don’t experience that.

    • @agentloo9744
      @agentloo9744 4 роки тому +1

      @@John-yg2rt yeah, but imagine a spirit airlines 737 lol, would be way worse

  • @afsallais6301
    @afsallais6301 3 роки тому +19

    i am scared of flying in boeing. this i noticed while i was waiting for my flight and when i saw an airbus lining up to fly. suddenly i was happy that its a airbus rather than a boeing.

  • @sizzlemann
    @sizzlemann 4 роки тому +42

    I enjoy flying in planes from both companies but as quantity goes up, quality usually suffers. Good luck Airbus in not following in Boeing's footsteps. If Boeing were smart, they'd scrap the 737 max and start planning and producing a plane to replace it. The public is vary wary on the 737 name. Boeing needs to develop public confidence in their aircraft all over again. Keeping the 737 name, won't help.

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 4 роки тому +2

      Sizzlemann Boeing has a backlog of about 4500 737s !!! Airbus the same !!! Delivery times now for a new order is right at 8 years !! !or did you not know that ???? 737 has been flying for 60 years and is the most used aircraft in the world, over 10,000 have been built !!! It is the basis for the airline business. NO WAY can Boeing shut it down !!! It takes many years to design and test a new plane won't happen !!!

  • @Kenji000
    @Kenji000 4 роки тому +4

    Audio is way too low.
    Even on max volume on my phone I can barely hear it

  • @WTG20233
    @WTG20233 4 роки тому +102

    A350 is awesome ...

    • @raahimhadi4905
      @raahimhadi4905 4 роки тому +6

      B777X is coming to make you hold your beer.

    • @chiragraju821
      @chiragraju821 4 роки тому +28

      Captain Saom Nothing can Match the A350 in mileage and technology. B787 comes close but A350 is better

    • @raahimhadi4905
      @raahimhadi4905 4 роки тому +2

      @@chiragraju821 You really think the B777X won't be a dealbreaker? Also, I wasn't talking about B787.

    • @chiragraju821
      @chiragraju821 4 роки тому +2

      Captain Saom Mileage/ passenger yes.
      787 has a full composite body unlike the 777 X
      So 787 is still the most economical Boeing aircraft in the market

    • @raahimhadi4905
      @raahimhadi4905 4 роки тому

      @@chiragraju821 ok, we'll see

  • @bobibolo7387
    @bobibolo7387 3 роки тому +5

    Europe vs usa

  • @artificialavocado9652
    @artificialavocado9652 4 роки тому +5

    I don’t know much about the aviation industry but in my field 90% of the top level execs are business type number people where as 20-30 years ago they would surely be engineers. I am willing to be it’s fairly similar over at Boeing.

  • @Chromegrillz
    @Chromegrillz Рік тому +5

    Airbus is a solid company right now. I hope they stay that way. I love flying the a330s and hopefully rest of other aircraft’s.

  • @ronnierawat4711
    @ronnierawat4711 4 роки тому +3

    Kindly improve the quality of Audio.

  • @CaptainJadenAR
    @CaptainJadenAR 3 роки тому +2

    You did know Airbus and Boeing respect each other. If you watch their Birthday shows, their rivalry became the best Aerospace Engineers.

  • @tomus788
    @tomus788 4 роки тому

    Do you think that Boston-Miami is short flight? Warsaw-Lublin connection takes only 15 minutes and there are many shorter flights.

  • @JVIPER88
    @JVIPER88 4 роки тому +35

    If you want the 737 Max problems fixed more quickly, put them back in service, but only for shuttling Boeing employees back and forth.

  • @platero1993
    @platero1993 4 роки тому +5

    Safety clearly isn't their priority. Is all about corporate greed

  • @sports2hedz542
    @sports2hedz542 4 роки тому +10

    Awww so cute. And I thought this video was actually going to offer some new and interesting information.

  • @markvolpe2305
    @markvolpe2305 4 роки тому +2

    Also boeing has other issues to deal with like the picklefork cracking on the 737-NG planes and the rolls royce engines on the 787's

  • @LeBozzx8
    @LeBozzx8 4 роки тому +37

    European Engineering is the safest there is

    • @gnranger
      @gnranger 4 роки тому +4

      Airbus Alpha Protection: well yes, but actually no

    • @kedmax1055
      @kedmax1055 4 роки тому

      You got the point

    • @shindenfighter3303
      @shindenfighter3303 4 роки тому +2

      *cough* death by wire *cough*

    • @vaska00762
      @vaska00762 4 роки тому +6

      @@shindenfighter3303 777 and 787 are fly by wire.
      Airbus just brought it into the commercial aviation world in the 80s, Boeing just followed suit.

    • @O-oo3uu
      @O-oo3uu 4 роки тому +3

      Boeing 737 max is a fundamentally flawed design and has no business being in operation. Boeing 737 max should be grounded permanently.

  • @railfanner3764
    @railfanner3764 2 роки тому +3

    Me who’s an embraer fan: 👁👄👁

  • @natesnautical
    @natesnautical 4 роки тому

    PLEASE SEND YOUR VIDEOS FOR AUDIO FINAL MIX - THE SOUND LEVELS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE

  • @johnjohnson9431
    @johnjohnson9431 4 роки тому +1

    WSJ posts something that doesn’t involve bias/politics... amazing

  • @DirectorBird
    @DirectorBird 4 роки тому +5

    Think of it like this, you have a radiator, the radiators has a gas line that needs to be replaced, and you do that. But, in replacing the gas line, you had to make some changes for the gas line to *fit on the radiator* and, in turn, you broke the radiator. You have two options, both are rather expensive, but one is more sustainable.
    A. Replace the radiator
    B. Try and fix the radiator despite it being decades old.

    • @FourDollaRacing
      @FourDollaRacing 4 роки тому

      C. None of the above has anything to do with airplanes.

    • @DirectorBird
      @DirectorBird 4 роки тому

      @@FourDollaRacing Do you know what's causing the MCAS system to malfunction?

    • @saraha8276
      @saraha8276 4 роки тому

      @@FourDollaRacing it does. T fuselage is the same as the older 736 models. They just fittted massive engines on it. This changes the centre of gravity and can cause thr plane to stall. What did boeing do? They didnt change the fuselage design, they just added an electronic system that would pitch the plane down auromatically if it detects an abnormal angle of attack.

    • @kolerick
      @kolerick 4 роки тому

      @@FourDollaRacing the basic is: 737 is too short on its "legs" and they couldn't fit the engines the usual way... that changed the aerodynamic... to deal with a structural defect, they implemented a software solution that correct the effect of the defect... but sometimes, the software get bad data and react the wrong way... and the pilots weren't informed (at first) nor trained to deal with this... and guess what?
      why didn't Boeing design a new plane to fit the engines the right way? cost and market share loss due to the delay
      why didn't Boeing add more data source (3 instead of only 2)? cost
      why didn't Boeing implement a training program for the pilot to learn how to deal with the known software problem? cost (pilot training cost a lot to companies)
      whatever the industry, there may be flaws... the difference lie on how they deal with them and the severity of the effects of said flaws...

  • @amelliamendel2227
    @amelliamendel2227 4 роки тому +4

    Killer AI on a plane, seems like a good idea on paper.

  • @balsonnaoshekpam5680
    @balsonnaoshekpam5680 4 роки тому

    Thanks

  • @themiguelpt91
    @themiguelpt91 4 роки тому +1

    They may say they have fixed it in the future, but good luck getting me inside a 737 Max 8!

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 4 роки тому

      Because crash landing every holiday and trip is getting on my nerves to.
      As long as it shows up I,m getting on , I don't care if its a British de Havilland Comet .

  • @ThomasKossatz
    @ThomasKossatz 4 роки тому +5

    Deliveries are sales from the past. This video misses the gap that opened between Airbus and Boing 2019 in sales. In 2019, Boeing finally had negative net sales (more cancellation then sales), while Airbus net sold 768 (sales minus cancellations).
    So far, Boeing has set asside $6 billions for customer compensations. Noone knows if this will be enough.
    It looks obvious to me that in 2030 Boeing needs a totally new plane, the 737 has been maxed out. The developement of the 787 costed $35 bio and to my knowledge hasn't reached break even. With the loss of sales in 2019, with upcoming compensations, public doubts and upcoming chinese competition, the future will be demanding.
    Does anyone remember when Boeing grew up to be No1 in pessenger flights? It was when the british made COMET had a series of crashes and was grounded.

  • @_.twixxx
    @_.twixxx 3 роки тому +3

    blame boeing and mcdonnell douglas for the 737 max crashes and bad airplane manufacturing after 1997!

  • @antdx316
    @antdx316 4 роки тому

    Their website for MCAS looks so good. It looks pretty much crash-proof. This shows that presentations sell and results say otherwise.

  • @tonyquigley6543
    @tonyquigley6543 4 роки тому +4

    2:08 my god those poor people, imagine what the last 10 minutes of thir lives must have been like?

  • @tortoiseshellanimations
    @tortoiseshellanimations 2 роки тому +3

    Who is here after the crash in china.

  • @hp_overload
    @hp_overload 4 роки тому +3

    Ya safety is your top priority after hundreds lost their life...

  • @francisreyes2891
    @francisreyes2891 4 роки тому +1

    I really want to see the results when the 777X is out in the market

  • @AR-bh3mn
    @AR-bh3mn 2 роки тому +2

    Boeing 737 🛬💥👀
    That's not a comrade's plane..... It's a ballistic missile

  • @samtoo2010
    @samtoo2010 4 роки тому +3

    By claiming safety is the company’s priority while hundreds of lives has been lost in the crash. That’s not a very convince statement

  • @CityWhisperer
    @CityWhisperer 4 роки тому +3

    3:22 He should have stopped when he said “top priority”, yet he continued talking about how hard they are working on being able to make some profit again. Seriously, it seems like for them lives are just numbers.

  • @cellevangiel5973
    @cellevangiel5973 Рік тому +1

    The biggest competitor for Boeing is Boeing. No effort from Airbus was required, the FAA and Wall street did the work for them.

  • @torgeirbrandsnes1916
    @torgeirbrandsnes1916 4 роки тому

    Not a word about the engine troubles for the Neo and the Max? Mamma Mia !

  • @marcusdabarra
    @marcusdabarra 4 роки тому +14

    i'd never fly on a 737 max

  • @511dydy
    @511dydy 4 роки тому +3

    Production capacity is the problem. Airbus just cannot accommodate the disappointed customers of boeing.

  • @CalAviator
    @CalAviator 4 роки тому +2

    This makes me scared to fly newly developed planes from Boeing. I don’t want to fly a new plane from a company that decided to prioritise money over safety.

  • @Eaglehunter44
    @Eaglehunter44 3 роки тому +1

    The 737max is an example why you don't want to use software made by Bethesda

  • @shaun1293
    @shaun1293 4 роки тому +6

    The 737 Max, especially the -10 is like a last minute ditch effort by Boeing to compete with the A321 because they made the terrible decision of ending production of the 757, which was superior to both the 737 and A321 in every way. A modernised 757 would be a world-winner.
    Edit: someone deleted their comment regarding the sales dying out, however when ETOPS cape into effect and twin engined aircraft could cross oceans, a massive demand was made for a long range narrow body of which only the 757 could accommodate.

    • @Matt_10203
      @Matt_10203 4 роки тому

      the word is that Boeing has a new replacement for the 73 in the works regardless.

    • @shaun1293
      @shaun1293 4 роки тому

      Matt yep 797 is supposed to be a twin aisle 757

    • @mylesgray3470
      @mylesgray3470 4 роки тому

      Your right about the 757 which is why they are designing a new midsize aircraft (NMA) but at the expense of recycling the 737 airframe yet again. So manny mistakes here.

    • @crispy-qx5oi
      @crispy-qx5oi 4 роки тому

      The 757 barely sold at all only large orders came from delta American and United plus it was to large to replace the 737-800

    • @shaun1293
      @shaun1293 4 роки тому

      mrcrisp but the 757 has a far superior range, payload and short field capabilities.

  • @seandesir7272
    @seandesir7272 4 роки тому +4

    MCAS= My Coffin Airplane System

  • @FreeAimDog
    @FreeAimDog 4 роки тому +1

    i smoked a blunt and then thought to myself people who own airports must make alot of money.

  • @seanluo8369
    @seanluo8369 4 роки тому +2

    We aren’t good enough at taming computers yet!

    • @John-yg2rt
      @John-yg2rt 4 роки тому

      Uninformed and wrong. Alot of high performance fighter jets are deliberately designed to be unstable without the aid of mechatronics. The instability actually makes them able to maneuver quickly and would be extremely unsafe to fly without computer aid

  • @vkgiotis
    @vkgiotis 4 роки тому +3

    Retrench 500 Boeing Software engineers and outsource work to cheap and inexperienced contractors: Save $10m; Knock $4bn off your market value: priceless!

  • @DimitriosKvs
    @DimitriosKvs 4 роки тому +8

    We shouldn’t fly ANY airline that use this Boeing plane! Our lives are more worthy than any amount of money!

    • @chocomanger6873
      @chocomanger6873 4 роки тому

      I can't wait until the Chinese planes start coming out. No more supporting American companies. I hope they kick Boeing out of the air, and it becomes either Airbus or Chinese Company.

    • @andi2658
      @andi2658 4 роки тому +1

      the chances are very very low
      how many boeing flights are there everyday?
      this is like saying we shouldn't take our car because there are car accidents , and this is daily

    • @DimitriosKvs
      @DimitriosKvs 4 роки тому

      @@andi2658 This Boeing plane has been banned. There are 0 flights out there.

    • @andi2658
      @andi2658 4 роки тому +2

      @@DimitriosKvs at the moment yes they're grounded, after all flight safety is a very sensitive thing that few accidents out of many thousands of flights is a very concerning thing to many
      nonetheless, this doesn't make them 'permanently problematic'. The same thing goes with samsung galaxy note 7, with its battery explosion. but after they fix the issue , people use them just fine today no?

    • @DimitriosKvs
      @DimitriosKvs 4 роки тому

      @@andi2658 maybe this does not make the permanently problematic, but maybe they are. my life is too important to relay on a maybe.

  • @huele-mv6zu
    @huele-mv6zu 4 роки тому +1

    2:58 The 737 Max’s engine 1 looks different then engine 2

  • @2adamast
    @2adamast 4 роки тому

    Prof. at 1:30 Whose selling most depends on whose selling most

  • @TrainerAQ
    @TrainerAQ 4 роки тому +58

    Team Airbus leave a Like!
    Team Boeing leave a Comment!

  • @kylenaidoo2216
    @kylenaidoo2216 4 роки тому +3

    Everyone gangsta till they make **Boebus-500Neo**

    • @sneeki8082
      @sneeki8082 4 роки тому

      CRJ-BoeBus-340Neo

    • @bucky822
      @bucky822 4 роки тому

      Everybody gangsta till they make *Bupolevdierbus-1000MAXNEO*

    • @Ayad719
      @Ayad719 4 роки тому

      *ANTONOV CHUNGUS 740 ILLYUSHING CHUNGUS

  • @justinhamill954
    @justinhamill954 4 роки тому

    Audio was too weak had to turn the volume all the way up.

  • @pranavparekh237
    @pranavparekh237 4 роки тому +1

    Atleast keep the volume high. Do dubbing lol properly.not audible clearly.