0:38 3.5" SL drives like you show here didn't become common until the early 90s. The 3.5" drive that was introduced in 1983 was the Rodime RO252, which was HH, or double the size of that drive. It displaced half height 5.25" drives which were introduced just the year before by Microscience International as the HH-612. Only two years before that, the Seagate ST-506, the first 5.25" hard drive at all was introduced. The ST-506 replaced the IBM 62PC Piccolo of 1979, which was an 8" drive ,the first of it's kind. Technology during that era was moving scarily fast. The Rodime RO252 is a 10MB drive, just 3 years earlier a drive 4x the height stored half the data. 0:52 The 2.5" drive introduced in 1988 was the PrairieTek Prairie 120, which was twice the height of the Toshiba you showed. It was the smallest production hard drive in the world at the time of it's introduction. Thinner drives came a few years later, but this "Full height" 2.5 inch form factor was still relevant for enterprise applications until the mid 2000s. 1:21 The first 1.8" hard disk drive was the Integral Viper, in 1993. It was a PC Card, and they were popular for mobile data storage long before the iPod hit shelves. 5:50 The IBM Microdrive isn't "Basically" a Compact Flash card, it IS a compact flash card. It was intentionally designed to be interface and socket compatible. Most devices which support one will support the other. The Microdrive hit production in 1999 and it was the world's smallest production hard drive. You could get original Microdrives in capacities of up to 340MB on a single 1" platter. 11:28 The Toshiba MK4001MTD and MK8003MTD, the smallest hard drives in the world. 4 and 8GB, respectively. I believe they really do use an SD card interface.
Wow, your specific knowledge of early drives is amazing. I really appreciate hearing these details. One day I'm going to revisit the 1" drive in a video of some sort. Unfortunately I have already recently made a video about iPod and 1.8" drives. But I didn't know their real history. I do research these things. But it's hard to find the sort of detailed knowledge you have. Thank you!
@@JanusCycle You do know that with a fly-height of about 100nm, opening these drives outside of a cleanhood means they're dead soon? The 2.5" drive you show operating is actually retreating to the ramp repeatedly because it isn't able to land correctly. The first IBM microdrive was a 1" drive, I think you have the order reversed. At the time of the 1" drives introduction in the ipod, it wasn't possible to fit flash memory of the same capacity into that amount of space. That changed within a year or two.
@@JanusCycle Every time you flick the arm so the head slides off the load ramp and splats on the disk I wince. I was wrong about flash density - it took about 6 years to match the 1inch disk but I wasn't following it anymore as IBM had sold the hdd business to Hitachi because single 3.5" platters where holding so much that backup and access times were suffering and there HDD's were becoming a commodity with less value from increased density. For the previous 20 years, HDD data density had doubled every 1.8 years. The first 1" drive had data tracks spaced about 10 microns apart so there were about ten thousand data tracks on each side. The radial position was servo controlled to about a 0.1 micron as the disk spun.
Holy crap! The platter inside that SD-sized HDD must be the size of a penny! That's the most impressive thing I've ever seen! Especially for a mechanical device.
@@Roomsaver You seem to be right. I thought it was part of the HDD. But it seems to be part of the laptop. I remember IBM was the first, don't know about HP. This is an accelerometer used for the purpose. Fun times! www.analog.com/en/analog-dialogue/articles/using-accelerometers-to-protect-hard-drives.html#
which is wierd because for the longest time apple was known for it's durability. if course now they are known for their gimmick based marketing, hand holding and overpricedness.
There was a time (around the beginning of this century) when I was using a "MASSIVE" 340MB microdrive in my DSLR - the largest solid state ones were 32MB tops at the time I think. I was always humbled knowing that there is a tiny plate spinning inside the CF enclosure... My wallet had also been humbled.
The Cowon iAudio6 had just such an 0.85" hard drive in it. The device was small enough that you could easily feel it move a little bit when it spun up.
@@dschannel1171 I feels its more the symbian os was still buggy and too ahead of its time in terms of hardware to support it, I had a n8 and e7 had the same issue, few years reincarnated as a windows phone with WP8.1 , they were much better.
I have a MicroSD card in my laptop that's 512GB (genuine). I find it mind blowing that something the size of a fingernail can store that much data and more!
The IBM 350 disk drive invented in 1956 stored a mere 3.75 MB and took up the space of two large kitchen refrigerators. This tiny Samsung disk drive stores 80 GB. You will need 21,333 IBM 350 disk drives taking up the space of 42,666 refrigerators to have the same amount of storage as this Samsung disk drive. The 350's cabinet is 60 inches (152 cm) long, 68 inches (172 cm) high and 29 inches (74 cm) wide taking up 12.083 square feet. 21,333 IBM 350 cabinets would take up 257,775 square feet or 5.37 football fields. The IBM 350 disk drive costed $3,200 per month to lease in 1956 or $31,418.12 in 2021. 21,333 IBM 350s would cost $68,265,600 per month to lease in 1956 or $670,242,703.76 in 2021.
Look up old watchmakers. They made much tinier things with comparable precision with nothing but primitive mounted files(as in file which you use to file down a piece of metal).
I'm having Nokia N91 4GB version since 2006. Without any doubt its amazing phone with Supreme Music Experience. Phone stil works perfect except a little bit blurry display. I didn't know that I'm carrying a moving mechanical hard disk with me all the time, and that's world's tiniest HDD! Wow... feels great!!
Nowadays it would probably be an SSD in an adapter, no questions asked. No way one would find a decent HDD on a decent price. Tho wonder how feasible this was back when you did this, I would sure bet not so nice, those things were sold with like 40GB drives no? (EDIT: OK 80GB 1st models or 64GB SSD... wonder how much it cost back then). Wonder what sizes of SSDs were available back when people wanted them fixed.
@@Kalvinjj I did a Little research and I found that the OG MacBook Air had either an 80gb hdd or 64gb ssd in 2008 and the 64gb ssd was a $1300 optional extra. The most amusing part for me was that the ssd was maybe like 10 percent faster than the 80gb hdd so it’s not like you got a substantially more responsive laptop nor was the ssd substantially better in battery tests.
@@Fhwgads11 damn... That price hurt me more than it had any relevance to me... But yeah that's Apple I guess. That performance difference is quite amusing tho, I do remember that SSDs were quite rough back then, heck when I got my 1st SSD on the SandForce controller era it was pretty absurd of a difference to a mechanical drive, but then some years later and I swap for another cheapest on the market one and it's... significantly faster. These things improved absurdly fast for sure.
My favourite little drives are the 1 inch voice coil units in Compact Flash form factor, manufactured by Seagate and Hitachi also for camera use. They generally hold up to 8Gb. My first drive in about 1987 was a 5.25 Miniscribe 3053 voice coil with 3 platters giving 40MB capacity. It made the most superb sounds when seeking that were easily audible while using the 80286 12MHz PC running MS-DOS 3.X.
The Seagate ST3290A you show at the start was a mid 90s drive, so yes bringing it to the mid 80s would be witchcraft. The capacity of that drive eclipses anything money could buy in the 5.25" form factor and most, if not all 8" mechanisms as well.
I have heard about the microdrives before, but I never knew that even smaller formfactors existed. The size of that "nanodrive" seems similar to a modern XQD/CFe card, which are also sucessors to the old CF standart. Also this is the best overview about these rare hard drives I have seen so far!
Oh my heck, watching that tiny little arm swing on the Microdrive while it's just sitting there plugged into that USB card reader you're holding is... kind of mind-blowing! I've known about Microdrives since right about when they came out about 2 decades ago, but they're still mind-blowing to me all these years later. But then you just said that now it's the SECOND-smallest, OMG!
It would be cool if they made transparent mechanical hard drives and I can see why they can't for obvious reasons but bright metal, spinning disks and oscillating read arms are aesthetically pleasing to me.
Wow i cant believe that there's an hard drive, a mechanical hard drive as "big" as SD card, i thought Apple iPod drive is already the smallest HDD i will ever seen since i take it apart from my original iPod out of curiosity. I never own iPod mini so i never knew that iPod using mechanical hard drive, back when people craze over iPod mini, people simply call it "Compact Flash" for it storage, while Compact Flash is common especially on digital camera back in early 2000's
Fascinating. I never knew that such small mechanical drives were once commonplace in commercial products. I remember visiting the Science Museum decades ago and marvelled at the huge pioneering hard drive, which was cut away to expose some of the mechanism. The drive must have been 24 inches in diameter! When the company I worked for in 1978 we got our first word processing system with terminals on desks and a huge drive unit in a special room down the corridor. The diameter of the drives in that unit was around 14 inches, I reckon, and the drive had a capacity of 40 MB. The terminals had local 8 inch floppy drives, too. That's when I started to become interested in computer programming.
I have fond memories of holding my iPod mini up to my ear in fascination with the mechanical sounds it made. I still have it’s drive sitting in the top drawer of my desk.
Really liked this video. Crazy how small things go in a relatively short space of time. Unbelievable that tiny drive was inside a phone.. nice to hear the Nokia boot sequence again.. been a long time.. Looking forward to seeing that spinning drive usb stick :) Nice work 👍
"I just happen to have one handy" - That about sums up this video. GREAT content. You pull out examples of each thing you talk about and you take some interesting ones to bits. Subscription Achievement Unlocked.
WOW, that sub-1-inch hard disk would blow my mind even MORE than a Microdrive if I could see it open and running, OMG! But being able to see that photo is pretty cool!
These are not entering watchmaker territory, they greatly surpass it! I don’t have the figures, but the kinds of dust that would make a watch hiccup would totally destroy these drives! The tolerances are orders of magnitude smaller, and need clean rooms to assemble.
I used to actually own a 1 inch portable usb hdd I got from Office max. I think it may have been a Seagate, but I can't find a reference to it ANYWHERE on google. It was about 1.5 x 1.25 inches square white plastic, had a built in usb cable that you slotted into it for storage, and had this little white fake leather pouch with a clear plastic window in the center to store it in. Wish I could find it for photos and model number.... but it was like....late 2003-2004. Somewhere around then.
Normally, I would've been sad, not getting to see what's inside that tiny NOKIA drive. But I like that you didn't destroy it. We don't get these anymore
The Palm LifeDrive had a 4Gb Microdrive in it as well, I remember thinking it was so crazy that a handheld had a spinning drive in it and when I saw some pictures of the Microdrive partially disassembled in a magazine it seemed even more futuristic.
Even if mechanical drives and devices get replaced by non-mechanic alternatives wich way faster and better, I find them very fascinating. My old Camcorder also still has a 30 GB HDD built in :)
That Nokia was made back in the day when technological advancements were actually advancements these days its just same stuff recycled generation to generation with barely any changes.
2:05 - trust me (I've worked on the insides of a lot of Macs since the 80s), it's really not that unusual at all. Apple often order parts from suppliers like Samsung to meet certain specs and the parts are adorned with both logos. Many models of HD were also made for Apple with custom ROMs on the drives too (again, always dual-logo).
I got my hands on a "General UDisk", the device name as it appears on software, which is the size and form of a flash drive. Seeing this video, it is definitely not a real hard disk drive.
I had an RCA MP3 player circa 2005 with the 1 inch microdrive. At the time I don't think I fully appreciated how cool that was but looking back on it, I am very impressed. In almost all areas, the "analog" or "gen 1" versions of products always seems more technically impressive than their successor (CRT > LCD) (HDD > SSD) etc. The original formats had a certain degree of magic and mystique to them that was subsequently replaced by cold, logical, and efficient technologies.
They also made double hight/platter 1.8 inch hard drives for larger capacity IPod classic units which also significantly increased the thickness of the higher capacity original IPods! :)
Hey there, any luck on getting your drive to work yet? I believe I botched mine with trying to wire it up manually to a MMC plus reader and external power. I decided to order up another on eBay ( currently $16 with shipping ) It's another one pulled from the Cowon IAudio 6 so same little ZIF connector at the one I tinkered with. I did however get a better grip on the pinout and that the MMC plus card uses different pins for power and data even though they look alike. So with that said I am gearing up to do a complete teardown of the botched drive for UA-cam and I will be including some additional learned information and links on that video as well, hopefully I will be doing that tomorrow and posting within the next week. Maybe there is some useful information I can pass your way if you have not learned much new on your drive. If you have learned more yourself I'd love to include that in my video and with your permission link your video in my description as well.
Why do you think you botched or perhaps damaged your drive? I've just had a look at pictures of the Cowon IAudio 6 internal drive you mentioned and the connector seems like quite a different shape to mine. I have been wondering about these different connectors and if they use a different interface such as PATA IDE. However this thread indicates they indeed use the standard SDIO card interface. The small number of pins compared to standard PATA interfaces seems to support that they are SDIO. forums.tomshardware.com/threads/what-interface-does-the-worlds-smallest-hdd-use.1430500/ I have not proceeded any further in getting mine working externally. Despite me having the advantage of a working host Nokia to test with and two working drives to play around with. I'm keen to see your approach to the matter. Also email me directly if you wish. I would like to help as much as I am able. Please feel free to link or even include clips of my video in yours if that helps you. I would even consider sending you one of my two drives if that helps us in getting them working.
@@JanusCycle I don't know for sure if I did botch mine, all I know is that I can get every other drive factor to spin up with power except for this one. I also think I crammed reversed bias power in off my bench PSU at one point, It's been some time so I am not quite certain of what all I have done to it. I did look at both the MMC+ and the ZIF connectors, both have 13 pins running up to the drive. I have traced out the connections and matched them up to match the connectors. During that process I noted the pin assignment differences. Expect an email today with the links and information I have gathered up on the matter. Honestly even if the drive is still good I still want to take one apart and get some really good microscope footage on the parts and assembly, I think it would be an enjoyable video for those who are interested in miniature mechanics.
A quick note on the Seagate ST1 drives, I purchase them quite often as defective for laser mirror fabrication. Many of the times they have stuck heads but I have managed to get about 70% of the ones with stuck heads to work after putting them in a card reader board and giving them a solid flick with my finger. Maybe a good way to get some working ones on your end. I would also suggest with removing heads from platters to have the unit on power and give the platter a quick twist and let the spindle motor do the rest, this might give you better luck with recovering drives with stuck heads.
@@Zenodilodon Thanks for the tip, i hadn't considered that flexing the drive could un-stick a stuck head. The more methods to use without opening up the drive is helpful. I never open a drive unless the data on it has little value.
At 15:00 "If I can ever get this interface working, Then I'll be making the worlds smallest mechanical, spinning hard disc usb memory stick" *No. No You won't.* That was done and made commercially available in 2008. The Swissbit Mini S.Valigetta was released in 2008. Had 8 GB storage. Was USB and had a mechanical hard drive in it much smaller than anything you've shown.
Thanks for the info on the Swissbit Mini S.Valigetta. I hadn't heard of that model before. Though at 48mm x 40mm x 17mm, it may contain a Microdrive rather than the smaller 0.85". I've heard of other brands that used these drives. I still think I can go smaller. I appreciate your comment, thank you. www.alavia.net/pm/data/10/pr_sb_svaligetta_classic_engl_200606.htm
@@JanusCycle Having spent a good part of the day looking, I've found mine. Inside you will find: www.businesswire.com/news/home/20060213005130/en/Cornice-Introduces-Ultra-Thin-8GB-and-10GB-Micro-Hard-Drive-Enables-Smaller-and-Thinner-Consumer-Electronics-Devices-Small-Form-Factor-Storage-Innovator-Launches-Its-First-Two-Headed-Storage-Product-and-Decreases-Its-Size-by-40-Percent And, As I've not been able to find any photo's of it close-up internally so, I pop'd the cover off (They were known to over heat so slots were dremmeled into the cover) and thought I'd give you a look. And yes, It still works! i.ibb.co/gmsFX6L/20210111-184100.jpg i.ibb.co/fvzRNF6/20210111-184121.jpg
They are short-lived oddities used in iPods and bake in the day when flash memory was cost prohibitive to get the desired capacity for handheld portable devices and when multi-gigabyte thumb drives were way too expensive for the average consumer.
I had quite a few external SCSI drives back in the day. I had one from a company called Frog (based in Scotland!) The large external SCSI enclosure housed a 2.5" SCSI interfaced HDD with an adapter to the normal "Centronics" style external SCSI connector. It dawned on me at the time that it wasn't an economical way of creating an external SCSI hard drive. When manufacturers stopped making 2.5" SCSI hard drives I recall Apple laptops ending up using a regular 2.5" IDE HDD with a SCSI adaptor board! So much electronics! I found a solution to the lack of drives though - certain printers used a 2.5" SCSI hard drive as an internal buffer - so I bought as many of those kits as I could afford, I ended up using them all in Apple laptops!
That was fascinating. Maybe the Ancient Aliens guy is right. How was humanity able to make something like this without a bit of help? And this is old tech too; we've moved on to solid states, which I know "how" it works, but I couldn't begin to tell you "why" it works. This was a very enjoyable video. Thank you for making it.
so you can change the nokia 91's storage while keeping the symbian os on it, so that means an emc chip or something is soldered on the phone where the operating system is installed then?
This was fascinating! I never knew how small those things got! You should have mentioned how LARGE the FIRST hard drive was! Look up the IBM Model 350.
Yes, there are 1.8" SSDs available. A better option these days is to use an mSATA SSD and an adapter to replace a 1.8" hard drive. I did this replacement in a video a couple of years ago, about the Fujitsu hybrid laptop-tablet.
This is evolution. Amazing. In this video I only miss the 5 1/4 hard disks as ST238R as consumer disks too. Bigger than that, only the mainframe HDs like the one seen on EEVblog #395
0:38 3.5" SL drives like you show here didn't become common until the early 90s. The 3.5" drive that was introduced in 1983 was the Rodime RO252, which was HH, or double the size of that drive. It displaced half height 5.25" drives which were introduced just the year before by Microscience International as the HH-612. Only two years before that, the Seagate ST-506, the first 5.25" hard drive at all was introduced. The ST-506 replaced the IBM 62PC Piccolo of 1979, which was an 8" drive ,the first of it's kind.
Technology during that era was moving scarily fast. The Rodime RO252 is a 10MB drive, just 3 years earlier a drive 4x the height stored half the data.
0:52 The 2.5" drive introduced in 1988 was the PrairieTek Prairie 120, which was twice the height of the Toshiba you showed. It was the smallest production hard drive in the world at the time of it's introduction. Thinner drives came a few years later, but this "Full height" 2.5 inch form factor was still relevant for enterprise applications until the mid 2000s.
1:21 The first 1.8" hard disk drive was the Integral Viper, in 1993. It was a PC Card, and they were popular for mobile data storage long before the iPod hit shelves.
5:50 The IBM Microdrive isn't "Basically" a Compact Flash card, it IS a compact flash card. It was intentionally designed to be interface and socket compatible. Most devices which support one will support the other. The Microdrive hit production in 1999 and it was the world's smallest production hard drive. You could get original Microdrives in capacities of up to 340MB on a single 1" platter.
11:28 The Toshiba MK4001MTD and MK8003MTD, the smallest hard drives in the world. 4 and 8GB, respectively. I believe they really do use an SD card interface.
Wow, your specific knowledge of early drives is amazing. I really appreciate hearing these details. One day I'm going to revisit the 1" drive in a video of some sort. Unfortunately I have already recently made a video about iPod and 1.8" drives. But I didn't know their real history. I do research these things. But it's hard to find the sort of detailed knowledge you have. Thank you!
@@JanusCycle You do know that with a fly-height of about 100nm, opening these drives outside of a cleanhood means they're dead soon? The 2.5" drive you show operating is actually retreating to the ramp repeatedly because it isn't able to land correctly. The first IBM microdrive was a 1" drive, I think you have the order reversed. At the time of the 1" drives introduction in the ipod, it wasn't possible to fit flash memory of the same capacity into that amount of space. That changed within a year or two.
@@bcwbcw3741 I only open drives that are already faulty. Most recently in 'iPod DOOM'. Hopefully more in the future :)
@@JanusCycle Every time you flick the arm so the head slides off the load ramp and splats on the disk I wince. I was wrong about flash density - it took about 6 years to match the 1inch disk but I wasn't following it anymore as IBM had sold the hdd business to Hitachi because single 3.5" platters where holding so much that backup and access times were suffering and there HDD's were becoming a commodity with less value from increased density. For the previous 20 years, HDD data density had doubled every 1.8 years. The first 1" drive had data tracks spaced about 10 microns apart so there were about ten thousand data tracks on each side. The radial position was servo controlled to about a 0.1 micron as the disk spun.
Holy crap! The platter inside that SD-sized HDD must be the size of a penny!
That's the most impressive thing I've ever seen! Especially for a mechanical device.
i have some 0.8 inch hard drives laying they look even more funny cause really tiny
@@dmtd2388 The Nokia N91 used that HDD
@@pepeavalon21 i know i took them off from some old small usb hdd
I’d say they would have had to hire some Austrian watchmakers to build this hd back in 2004 😅
0.85" in diameter
MP3 player: Often dropped or subjected to shocks and abuse.
Apple: Lets put a HDD in one!
Some hard drives detect that they are falling and shut down and park the head before they hit the ground.
Dennis Fox Not familiar with HDDs doing that but HP implements (implemented) it in some of their laptops with an accelerometer
@@Roomsaver You seem to be right. I thought it was part of the HDD. But it seems to be part of the laptop. I remember IBM was the first, don't know about HP. This is an accelerometer used for the purpose. Fun times! www.analog.com/en/analog-dialogue/articles/using-accelerometers-to-protect-hard-drives.html#
which is wierd because for the longest time apple was known for it's durability. if course now they are known for their gimmick based marketing, hand holding and overpricedness.
this is exaclty what i thought how did those things keep working
we need mini storage servers of 64 GB using 16 mini 4 GB drives!
@Finn Scott much more than that: the micro SD-Card is now in 1TB available.
They are soooo slow
@@adamabele785 2tb too
@@adamabele785 microsd is flash
@@swagchief98 of course, so is ssd.
“It’s unusual to see the apple and Samsung logo together.”
Almost the whole iPhone: haha they will never notice.
yay, a half life lover in the coments
@@gordonfreeman6464 :)
Apple devices today have some Samsung electronics in them!
@@CoMinderYT the OLED screen on Apple devices: Cover blown, I repeat. Cover blown!
iPhone screens were LG then Samsung for a while. I think it's still Samsung idunno.
There was a time (around the beginning of this century) when I was using a "MASSIVE" 340MB microdrive in my DSLR - the largest solid state ones were 32MB tops at the time I think. I was always humbled knowing that there is a tiny plate spinning inside the CF enclosure... My wallet had also been humbled.
i never even knew hdd's even were that tiny
They weren't use for a specially long time and also definitely not something for the average consumer to be able to buy either.
The Nokia N91 part was so much educational to me even today its feelsso awesome that this kinda technology is retrofutureproof
The Cowon iAudio6 had just such an 0.85" hard drive in it. The device was small enough that you could easily feel it move a little bit when it spun up.
the N91 phone actually came out in 2005,and the 8GB revision in 2007
Thank you. I stand corrected.
In addition to that, the 8GB version was black and was called Music Edition so the full name was Nokia N91 8GB Music Edition. Quite a mouthful 😅
@@rodak_ Good concept but buggy as hell, it didnt do one thing well without crashing.
@@handymanr4729Well... You probably dropped the phone on floor, and you might know, hard drives can't get impact or it gets damaged.
@@dschannel1171 I feels its more the symbian os was still buggy and too ahead of its time in terms of hardware to support it, I had a n8 and e7 had the same issue, few years reincarnated as a windows phone with WP8.1 , they were much better.
I have a MicroSD card in my laptop that's 512GB (genuine). I find it mind blowing that something the size of a fingernail can store that much data and more!
Wait until you hear about the 1TB sd card
Kingston makes 2tb usb sticks ssd can be m.2 and have 2tb or more and 2.5 and 4 tb or more, i heard sandisk made a 1tb sd card
@pro at evrything yes
I have the 400GB one lel.
The IBM 350 disk drive invented in 1956 stored a mere 3.75 MB and took up the space of two large kitchen refrigerators. This tiny Samsung disk drive stores 80 GB. You will need 21,333 IBM 350 disk drives taking up the space of 42,666 refrigerators to have the same amount of storage as this Samsung disk drive. The 350's cabinet is 60 inches (152 cm) long, 68 inches (172 cm) high and 29 inches (74 cm) wide taking up 12.083 square feet. 21,333 IBM 350 cabinets would take up 257,775 square feet or 5.37 football fields. The IBM 350 disk drive costed $3,200 per month to lease in 1956 or $31,418.12 in 2021. 21,333 IBM 350s would cost $68,265,600 per month to lease in 1956 or $670,242,703.76 in 2021.
Never thought how small HDD can get back in the day, very interesting piece of engineering they achieved
Look up old watchmakers. They made much tinier things with comparable precision with nothing but primitive mounted files(as in file which you use to file down a piece of metal).
@@NGC1433 watch precision is not even close to hard drive precision
@@NGC1433 hard disk are technically nano scale
like how do they fit such machinery, the spinning motor, the magnetic coil, the servo for the rod, and even temperature sensor etc etc.. so crazy!
I had a 12 GB micro drive in thumb drive form back in the day. They announced a 16 GB model, but terminated the line before releasing it.
Let me guess: this is when flash memory was still bad? Like 512mb in a flash stick?
@@neyoid not necessarily bad, just terribly expensive
Too bad, 16GB thumbdrive is still a relevant thing today. Fitting 16gb on spinning platters in that form factor would just be amazing to see.
I'm having Nokia N91 4GB version since 2006. Without any doubt its amazing phone with Supreme Music Experience. Phone stil works perfect except a little bit blurry display. I didn't know that I'm carrying a moving mechanical hard disk with me all the time, and that's world's tiniest HDD! Wow... feels great!!
I'm glad to hear that you are still enjoying this amazing and unique phone.
@@JanusCycle suprised your cellular network is still compatible with it!
1.8" HDD... that give me PTSD... I had to repair Macbook air that had that form farctor HDD... And I really had problem to find that at that time lol
Nowadays it would probably be an SSD in an adapter, no questions asked. No way one would find a decent HDD on a decent price.
Tho wonder how feasible this was back when you did this, I would sure bet not so nice, those things were sold with like 40GB drives no? (EDIT: OK 80GB 1st models or 64GB SSD... wonder how much it cost back then). Wonder what sizes of SSDs were available back when people wanted them fixed.
@@Kalvinjj I did a Little research and I found that the OG MacBook Air had either an 80gb hdd or 64gb ssd in 2008 and the 64gb ssd was a $1300 optional extra. The most amusing part for me was that the ssd was maybe like 10 percent faster than the 80gb hdd so it’s not like you got a substantially more responsive laptop nor was the ssd substantially better in battery tests.
@@Fhwgads11 damn... That price hurt me more than it had any relevance to me... But yeah that's Apple I guess.
That performance difference is quite amusing tho, I do remember that SSDs were quite rough back then, heck when I got my 1st SSD on the SandForce controller era it was pretty absurd of a difference to a mechanical drive, but then some years later and I swap for another cheapest on the market one and it's... significantly faster. These things improved absurdly fast for sure.
iFlash Built For iPods But Works With Many 1.8" HDD Products (untested you just have to try it)
Awwwwww!!!! 😍😍😍😍😍 That tiny little hard drive is just so cute!!!!
Absolutely, the only word that came to mind was "cute" haha.
@@YeOldeKamikaze *how dare you interrup my vibes*
My favourite little drives are the 1 inch voice coil units in Compact Flash form factor, manufactured by Seagate and Hitachi also for camera use. They generally hold up to 8Gb. My first drive in about 1987 was a 5.25 Miniscribe 3053 voice coil with 3 platters giving 40MB capacity. It made the most superb sounds when seeking that were easily audible while using the 80286 12MHz PC running MS-DOS 3.X.
The Seagate ST3290A you show at the start was a mid 90s drive, so yes bringing it to the mid 80s would be witchcraft. The capacity of that drive eclipses anything money could buy in the 5.25" form factor and most, if not all 8" mechanisms as well.
I have heard about the microdrives before, but I never knew that even smaller formfactors existed. The size of that "nanodrive" seems similar to a modern XQD/CFe card, which are also sucessors to the old CF standart. Also this is the best overview about these rare hard drives I have seen so far!
Seeing the title I was wondering he'd even show the microdrive, what I also thought was the smallest. Those in the phone blew me away.
Oh my heck, watching that tiny little arm swing on the Microdrive while it's just sitting there plugged into that USB card reader you're holding is... kind of mind-blowing! I've known about Microdrives since right about when they came out about 2 decades ago, but they're still mind-blowing to me all these years later. But then you just said that now it's the SECOND-smallest, OMG!
4GB in a phone back in 2004 is actually HUGE
It's like having 1TB today
Not really. Even for 2004, 4GB was puny.
@@bitterlemonboy phones in 2004 only had a few megs. you needed microsd
4 GB in 2004 was very very small for a PC HDD, but very large for portable USB storage.
tomtom go910 had a 20GB hdd in in that was the 0.85 inch drive
I didnt get that much storage in a phone until 2012 lol
It would be cool if they made transparent mechanical hard drives and I can see why they can't for obvious reasons but bright metal, spinning disks and oscillating read arms are aesthetically pleasing to me.
I agree. That’s why I plan (dream) on making a USB memory stick with a tiny drive and putting a clear top on the drive :)
The Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD says hello.
Wow i cant believe that there's an hard drive, a mechanical hard drive as "big" as SD card, i thought Apple iPod drive is already the smallest HDD i will ever seen since i take it apart from my original iPod out of curiosity.
I never own iPod mini so i never knew that iPod using mechanical hard drive, back when people craze over iPod mini, people simply call it "Compact Flash" for it storage, while Compact Flash is common especially on digital camera back in early 2000's
Fascinating. I never knew that such small mechanical drives were once commonplace in commercial products. I remember visiting the Science Museum decades ago and marvelled at the huge pioneering hard drive, which was cut away to expose some of the mechanism. The drive must have been 24 inches in diameter! When the company I worked for in 1978 we got our first word processing system with terminals on desks and a huge drive unit in a special room down the corridor. The diameter of the drives in that unit was around 14 inches, I reckon, and the drive had a capacity of 40 MB. The terminals had local 8 inch floppy drives, too. That's when I started to become interested in computer programming.
Is it possible to find 4GB hard disks to install Windows NT 4.0 Workstation on a vintage laptop?
I have fond memories of holding my iPod mini up to my ear in fascination with the mechanical sounds it made. I still have it’s drive sitting in the top drawer of my desk.
Really liked this video. Crazy how small things go in a relatively short space of time.
Unbelievable that tiny drive was inside a phone.. nice to hear the Nokia boot sequence again.. been a long time..
Looking forward to seeing that spinning drive usb stick :)
Nice work 👍
It's funny, because that SD card size disk, could be read on a real SD card slot
Uh no I don't think so.
He said he couldn't get them to spin on SD card readers, so there's that.
I said "it could be", guys.
And I said that because of the size/ format. I never claimed to be 100% possible. So...yeah.
This clip is more like a leap through time...
almost forgot I'm in no good 2021
good old days..miss u so much😌😌😌
14:52 infinite available space in phone is handy :)
"I just happen to have one handy" - That about sums up this video. GREAT content. You pull out examples of each thing you talk about and you take some interesting ones to bits. Subscription Achievement Unlocked.
5:40 this microdrive was also used in the palm lifedrive
The LifeDrive was made from a fascinating concept displaced in time.
It's kinda crazy that you can fit more than a terabyte of flash memory into the same volume as the 0.85 inch drive nowadays.
WOW, that sub-1-inch hard disk would blow my mind even MORE than a Microdrive if I could see it open and running, OMG! But being able to see that photo is pretty cool!
Those tiny drives are so small, the mechanical bits are entering watchmaker territory!
I wonder how durable they were compared to today's HDDs.
These are not entering watchmaker territory, they greatly surpass it! I don’t have the figures, but the kinds of dust that would make a watch hiccup would totally destroy these drives! The tolerances are orders of magnitude smaller, and need clean rooms to assemble.
I used to actually own a 1 inch portable usb hdd I got from Office max. I think it may have been a Seagate, but I can't find a reference to it ANYWHERE on google. It was about 1.5 x 1.25 inches square white plastic, had a built in usb cable that you slotted into it for storage, and had this little white fake leather pouch with a clear plastic window in the center to store it in. Wish I could find it for photos and model number.... but it was like....late 2003-2004. Somewhere around then.
What an amazing history lesson this video was. Kind thanks, dear sir!
Normally, I would've been sad, not getting to see what's inside that tiny NOKIA drive. But I like that you didn't destroy it. We don't get these anymore
It's really amazing to the evolution of hard drive tech and see how much it has changed in such a short time!
I wonder if our kids will appreciate this video as much as I have?
OMG! That is the cutest and tiniest hard drive I have ever seen!
I recently found a 1.8" drive when I was scrapping some broken laptops for useful parts. I thought it was small but that little .85 inch is tiny!
The Palm LifeDrive had a 4Gb Microdrive in it as well, I remember thinking it was so crazy that a handheld had a spinning drive in it and when I saw some pictures of the Microdrive partially disassembled in a magazine it seemed even more futuristic.
Very fortunate to see those tiny hdd. I didn't even know Nokia was using hdd on their phones.
this was great I was trying to find some vids on 1.8" HDD. Thank you!
Me too tnx a lot
Datel released a 4gb hard drive for the Sony PSP, and that was absolutely tiny.
Wow, I just had a look, it looks like a fascinating product. Thanks for mentioning it.
great comparisons. Never seen such small drives. Only knew about the apple ipod drives as smallest.
9:50 that put a smile on my face
Same
Even if mechanical drives and devices get replaced by non-mechanic alternatives wich way faster and better, I find them very fascinating. My old Camcorder also still has a 30 GB HDD built in :)
If it ever fails, you know there's SSD's for it. :D
That Nokia was made back in the day when technological advancements were actually advancements these days its just same stuff recycled generation to generation with barely any changes.
2:05 - trust me (I've worked on the insides of a lot of Macs since the 80s), it's really not that unusual at all. Apple often order parts from suppliers like Samsung to meet certain specs and the parts are adorned with both logos. Many models of HD were also made for Apple with custom ROMs on the drives too (again, always dual-logo).
HD=high definition, HDD=Hard Disk Drive. Apple confuses people (yes, I own a disused apple macbook).
Amazing video and its crazy how small HDD became. In 2 years you can make a video about PC fans. Maybe in 10 years we don't have any PC fans anymore.
I got my hands on a "General UDisk", the device name as it appears on software, which is the size and form of a flash drive.
Seeing this video, it is definitely not a real hard disk drive.
I had an RCA MP3 player circa 2005 with the 1 inch microdrive. At the time I don't think I fully appreciated how cool that was but looking back on it, I am very impressed. In almost all areas, the "analog" or "gen 1" versions of products always seems more technically impressive than their successor (CRT > LCD) (HDD > SSD) etc. The original formats had a certain degree of magic and mystique to them that was subsequently replaced by cold, logical, and efficient technologies.
Cabaret Voltaire - interesting choice of music!!
When Japan actually had a technological advantage with Toshiba and Hitachi because they are good at miniaturization
Thanks for this video. Very informative
They also made double hight/platter 1.8 inch hard drives for larger capacity IPod classic units which also significantly increased the thickness of the higher capacity original IPods! :)
Hey there, any luck on getting your drive to work yet? I believe I botched mine with trying to wire it up manually to a MMC plus reader and external power. I decided to order up another on eBay ( currently $16 with shipping ) It's another one pulled from the Cowon IAudio 6 so same little ZIF connector at the one I tinkered with. I did however get a better grip on the pinout and that the MMC plus card uses different pins for power and data even though they look alike. So with that said I am gearing up to do a complete teardown of the botched drive for UA-cam and I will be including some additional learned information and links on that video as well, hopefully I will be doing that tomorrow and posting within the next week. Maybe there is some useful information I can pass your way if you have not learned much new on your drive. If you have learned more yourself I'd love to include that in my video and with your permission link your video in my description as well.
Why do you think you botched or perhaps damaged your drive? I've just had a look at pictures of the Cowon IAudio 6 internal drive you mentioned and the connector seems like quite a different shape to mine. I have been wondering about these different connectors and if they use a different interface such as PATA IDE. However this thread indicates they indeed use the standard SDIO card interface. The small number of pins compared to standard PATA interfaces seems to support that they are SDIO.
forums.tomshardware.com/threads/what-interface-does-the-worlds-smallest-hdd-use.1430500/
I have not proceeded any further in getting mine working externally. Despite me having the advantage of a working host Nokia to test with and two working drives to play around with.
I'm keen to see your approach to the matter. Also email me directly if you wish. I would like to help as much as I am able. Please feel free to link or even include clips of my video in yours if that helps you. I would even consider sending you one of my two drives if that helps us in getting them working.
@@JanusCycle I don't know for sure if I did botch mine, all I know is that I can get every other drive factor to spin up with power except for this one. I also think I crammed reversed bias power in off my bench PSU at one point, It's been some time so I am not quite certain of what all I have done to it. I did look at both the MMC+ and the ZIF connectors, both have 13 pins running up to the drive. I have traced out the connections and matched them up to match the connectors. During that process I noted the pin assignment differences. Expect an email today with the links and information I have gathered up on the matter. Honestly even if the drive is still good I still want to take one apart and get some really good microscope footage on the parts and assembly, I think it would be an enjoyable video for those who are interested in miniature mechanics.
A quick note on the Seagate ST1 drives, I purchase them quite often as defective for laser mirror fabrication. Many of the times they have stuck heads but I have managed to get about 70% of the ones with stuck heads to work after putting them in a card reader board and giving them a solid flick with my finger. Maybe a good way to get some working ones on your end. I would also suggest with removing heads from platters to have the unit on power and give the platter a quick twist and let the spindle motor do the rest, this might give you better luck with recovering drives with stuck heads.
@@Zenodilodon Thanks for the tip, i hadn't considered that flexing the drive could un-stick a stuck head. The more methods to use without opening up the drive is helpful. I never open a drive unless the data on it has little value.
@@JanusCycle Not flexing, flicking. You have to have quite a bit of power in it too, I have chipped my pointer finger's nail once or twice doing it.
I found this video very interesting. thank you.
Nokia still amazes me to this day. Thank you for making this video.
so absolutly incredable.
At 15:00 "If I can ever get this interface working, Then I'll be making the worlds smallest mechanical, spinning hard disc usb memory stick"
*No. No You won't.*
That was done and made commercially available in 2008. The Swissbit Mini S.Valigetta was released in 2008. Had 8 GB storage. Was USB and had a mechanical hard drive in it much smaller than anything you've shown.
Thanks for the info on the Swissbit Mini S.Valigetta. I hadn't heard of that model before. Though at 48mm x 40mm x 17mm, it may contain a Microdrive rather than the smaller 0.85". I've heard of other brands that used these drives. I still think I can go smaller. I appreciate your comment, thank you.
www.alavia.net/pm/data/10/pr_sb_svaligetta_classic_engl_200606.htm
@@JanusCycle Having spent a good part of the day looking, I've found mine. Inside you will find:
www.businesswire.com/news/home/20060213005130/en/Cornice-Introduces-Ultra-Thin-8GB-and-10GB-Micro-Hard-Drive-Enables-Smaller-and-Thinner-Consumer-Electronics-Devices-Small-Form-Factor-Storage-Innovator-Launches-Its-First-Two-Headed-Storage-Product-and-Decreases-Its-Size-by-40-Percent
And, As I've not been able to find any photo's of it close-up internally so, I pop'd the cover off (They were known to over heat so slots were dremmeled into the cover) and thought I'd give you a look. And yes, It still works!
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@@GrymsArchive Holy shit, now that's *SMALL* at 2.16 cm.
Thank you very much sir, that was a really broad and informative review. I like it.
I'm glad to hear that, thanks for letting me know.
People from those days would be absolutely astonished if they could’ve seen our 1TB micro sd cards, or our tiny NVME storage
I didn't even know there was a smaller than 1.8" HDD 😮
Same
They are short-lived oddities used in iPods and bake in the day when flash memory was cost prohibitive to get the desired capacity for handheld portable devices and when multi-gigabyte thumb drives were way too expensive for the average consumer.
Very cool and informative. Thanks!
I had quite a few external SCSI drives back in the day. I had one from a company called Frog (based in Scotland!) The large external SCSI enclosure housed a 2.5" SCSI interfaced HDD with an adapter to the normal "Centronics" style external SCSI connector. It dawned on me at the time that it wasn't an economical way of creating an external SCSI hard drive. When manufacturers stopped making 2.5" SCSI hard drives I recall Apple laptops ending up using a regular 2.5" IDE HDD with a SCSI adaptor board! So much electronics! I found a solution to the lack of drives though - certain printers used a 2.5" SCSI hard drive as an internal buffer - so I bought as many of those kits as I could afford, I ended up using them all in Apple laptops!
Great video these days.. Thanks buddy!
Wow! VERY enlightening 👍🏿
The smaller I see a hard drive the more I want one. I never known that harddrives can go as small as a SD card.
It's interesting how the laws of physics allow some products to be scaled between such extremes.
I love that 1.8" drive xd
It looks like a model, but actually works
Epic ad placement timing ☺️
I love how the apple hdd has a gaint apple logo and you can clearly see "samsung" in the top left corner.
God damn you have some really nostalgic treasure out there😘😘😘
I have a couple of working Hitachi Microdrives (non-Apple) and I always thought they were the smallest. Interesting vid :-)
Great video. I had no idea some of these drives existed.
15:09 what’s the model of that maxtor hard drive?
It's a DiamondMax 10 6L16M0 160Gb SATA.
Wow never new we had spinning drives so small
Thx, Never knew that there is something like 1.8 inch hhd before watching this video.
I remember when they put spinning hard drives in a compact flash form factor...was pretty amazing for it's time!
apple and samsung work together all the time, so it’s not uncommon at all to see both brands on a part
14:46 hes actually did it - our dream till this day - the Infinite capacity phone memory...
thanx man for this video I'll share it on my FB page with your channel link
That was fascinating. Maybe the Ancient Aliens guy is right. How was humanity able to make something like this without a bit of help? And this is old tech too; we've moved on to solid states, which I know "how" it works, but I couldn't begin to tell you "why" it works.
This was a very enjoyable video. Thank you for making it.
In all my years of building and repairing PC's I had no idea of what was in other devices and how small mechanical drivers had gotten.
so you can change the nokia 91's storage while keeping the symbian os on it, so that means an emc chip or something is soldered on the phone where the operating system is installed then?
Hats off ! 👍👏
what size capacity are the telephone hard discs ?? thanks
4GB and 8GB. Mine is the 4GB.
Nice presentation.
This was fascinating! I never knew how small those things got! You should have mentioned how LARGE the FIRST hard drive was! Look up the IBM Model 350.
Interesting video. I did not know about smaller hdd than microdrive. did you manage to access to the hdd already through a mmc+ card reader?
I tried a couple of different card readers and also an Arduino card reader but it didn't work. I don't think it even spun up.
Fascinating... I didn't even know the original iPod had a 'special' size (thought it was regular 2.5" HDD) let alone know about the even smaller ones!
It wasn't a special size. 1.8" HDDs used the Type II PCMCIA form factor.
In fact, CompactFlash (the form factor used by Microdrive) is itself a derivative of PCMCIA.
thanks to the algorithm i've seen something that i probally never seen one in my life
It’s just that I read some where on the internet that floppy discs can be formatted to higher capacities thanks
The really tiny little ones are neat eh! A bit of a wonder that they can work.
Wonderful 👍😎 I share your enthusiasm.
IDE 1.8inch is used in IBM x40 x41, is there replacment for SSD?
Yes, there are 1.8" SSDs available. A better option these days is to use an mSATA SSD and an adapter to replace a 1.8" hard drive. I did this replacement in a video a couple of years ago, about the Fujitsu hybrid laptop-tablet.
This is evolution. Amazing. In this video I only miss the 5 1/4 hard disks as ST238R as consumer disks too. Bigger than that, only the mainframe HDs like the one seen on EEVblog #395
*HDD. Mac users often get high-definition confused with hard disk drive.
@@rootbrian4815 but I'm not Mac usr, and I shorten oftn. For the context, HD fits well, no need to say "drive"...