The lost neck cranks and spine locks of Judo 首関節技
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- This video details the neck cranks and spine locks of old Judo.
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That's so rad that OG Judo has the 1/2 and full Boston Crab holds!
@@MM-Red Oh absolutely. Whether it's Judo, Sambo, Jiujitsu, Catch at the end of the day it's all wrestling of some sorts and the arts are more alike than they are different. The rule set for the individual sports really changes how the various arts are trained. For example, we know there's leg locks in Judo but since they have been barred for competition for many years, you rarely see Judo clubs teach them.
And I totally agree about not pulling guard in self defense. It's fine in sport but it's entirely too risky on the street. Chadi's videos really are great, glad to have found this channel! Good taking with you brother.
The neck Crank That Master Rickson is showing he came up with for me to fight in Shooto during my privates... when I was fighting in Japan in the beginning stages there were no face punches allowed so a lot of the guys would just hold their arms tight and not let you attack them. This neck crank came up to either get the crank or the triangle or step over armlock.
YOURE A FKING LEGEND!
Being Judo Competitions are extremely explosive it's good that the IJF banned the more dangerous, potentially crippling, techniques from Competitions. But they should still be taught in kata, just as they are in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu. Judo clubs solely focused on IJF competition usually only teach IJF Competition friendly submissions and throws and do not teach the entire Kodokan Judo syllabus. So some Judoka cross train in Danzan Ryu, Takenouchi Ryu or Small Circle Jujitsu to learn the banned submissions, throws and atemi waza.
Catch Wrestling competion is also very explosive, yet they allowed neck cranks and no one have suffered any permanent injury from these techniques. The same thing in professional MMA. Teaching and allowing "dangerous techniques" is the best way to avoid and defend yourself from them, they're only dangerous if you don't understand them. IJF and IBJJF rules are a big joke ( The same thing can't be say for cheap tricks like eye gouge, groin grabbing....because they are not fight enders, only causing long term injury to the athletes)
@@jaketheasianguy3307 I see you're point. Interestingly enough no ones died in Judo competitions from chokes yet American Catch Wrestling banned chokes during Farmer Burn's era after someone died from a choke injury. Judo removed neck cranks but kept chokes. Catch wrestling removed chokes but kept neck cranks. Very interesting.
The first techique my karateteacher tought me is a one leg shoulderpush anklegrab to the one leg spinelock... Thats why I like this video... Very nice footage... !
Banning and stopped teaching certain techniques just because they look dangerous is the biggest sins in almost every traditional martial arts. You may not use it, but knowing how it looks like and how it work would help you defend yourself from it or prevent it from happening easier. It's like no one have learned anything from when BJJ gyms was still a bunch of leg locks haters, until it's students get their legs damaged by ankle locks and heel hooks just because they don't know what these techniques look like. Thanks for another great video
Chadi, you should do a response video on Danaher's podcast with Rogan. It was a great podcast but I feel like you can help clarify with the origins of certain techniques.
Chadi, you most definitely have one of the best channels on UA-cam for this material. I love it. Thank you for your work.
Thanks again Chadi, your channel is priceless, useful for the beginner and advanced
Love your channel Chadi! I just started my Judo journey this year. Stay strong brother! Stay healthy.
Thank you, good luck on your journey
The split base would also add a lever to the shoulders. Prevent elevation during the can opener. Or crank.
Thanks Chadi, yet again another interesting video, thanks for sharing.
I saw a nasty neck crank in Tao of jeet kune do book !!
Chadi, your vídeos are great!
Very Great and no one else is doing this type of research and presentation . All the best .
I love Judo and Muay Thai
Very interesting and very well presented Mr. Chadi . Thanks again .
Agreed and Chadi is like the ultimate martial arts historian . Hope your studies in Savate are going great . ATB & 5X5 .
Thanks again for your great information
You're very welcome
Cute baby!! Judo!!
Chadi!! I love your content.. I haven't practiced Martial arts in a long time.
In some areas these techniques are still been taught. But? Not to any ranks. Thank you for a wonderful reminder of what Judo was before so many rules.
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Looks like judo has really scary arsenal of techniques within. Hammerfist to temple is child's play in nastiness against neck locks.
Some of the first neck cranks I ever learned were from Master Rickson. Amazing but they were all illegal for tournaments
Thank you for all you add to the sport
i always thought those only worked in fake pro wrestling finishing moves but now with this vdo i know these are really legit moves.
Fabulous Chadi.
Great stuff here.
I practice karate (goju) 27 years, and bjj 5 Years. And always I look TMA from self defense perspective, over sport form. How do you see judo? With his olimpic backgound?
Cacc is famous from neck cranks
FYI, Kawaishi's books were translated into English, and can be found online. I just donated my set (My Method of Judo and My Method of Self-Defence) to the USJF, but they're out there.
Thank you for sharing 😊, neck crank techniques are fun.
These are all extremelly dangerous, please do not try those on your training partners
hi chadi, good videos you make, congratulations, is there a possibility to make a video about a modern application to Miyamoto Musashi's take of the 3 opportunities to Pre-emption, in a context of self-defense? I think it would be interesting: 1st to know who was musashi, for those who don't know who he is, 2nd his work, 3rd possible applications in this modern age, thank you.
My instructor showed me how to dislocate the leg from the hip, so scary
I believe some of these diagrams feature in Bruce Lee’s tao of jeet kune do.
Excellent work 👍 great video
Cool, I want to practice my french. I hope there are no puritans of your language like some on the english language pursuing me in your channel.
1:00 - Similar to the Can Opener
Also one of the highest percentage takedown from any martial art is the neck crank takedown used in systema. Very effective. Especially when you consider wrestlers being the most dominant mma athletes in mma since its inception. They all have to lower there level for takedowns and as they do they lead with there head. Making said takedown stupid easy.....
Isto não deveria estar disponível aqui no UA-cam.
Damn Judo was the Truth what Happened???🤔🤔🤔💯
Olympics and children.
Which is ok honestly it's not like these techniques are lost to history Judo is really well documented and Jigoro Kano wanted Judo to be a mainstream of body/mind development for the youth.
The first move ALMOST look like a CATCH/pro wrestling STF(stepover toehold to facelock). LOL.
Merci beaucoup pour Le Methode Kawaishi link.
Oooh. I’m interested
Twister in judo It should be legal
It would be nice but to some the twister is part of wrestling some don't know when Eddie Bravo went to high-school in California he did wrestling for a few months
these techniques are in use, but for changing positions, for defending from other positions, etc ... etc ...
as a finishing technique it works only on inexperienced, on beginners ... I do not mean "white belt", people who have experienced it a few times will almost never tap, but usually they will be forced to change position or let go of their own attack ...
this technique is basically suffocating people with an unstretched neck due to the lack of air ... the more a strangled person has a veeery much time to decide, probably it was banned, because there was someone who said that he would not tap, just like some do not tap a simple lever on the "tactarov" foot, but the neck did not withstand the increase in strength ... probably he also increased the strength with another attack ... in the video you try too hard to present white is white black black ...
for example, if someone pulls in the "guard" and only holds it while waiting for a mistake, in a kimono you can use kimono strangling by pressing on the neck, pushing away from the "guard", in the no-g version, bending the head to the cage is the easiest ... you can also use other smothering techniques ...
kesa-gatame, take a look at the catch wrestling version, choking attack by bending the head, by pressing the chest, additionally a slight attack on the shoulder through the elbow ...
how to properly bend someone's head towards the chest, paradoxically, you can learn best in Thai boxing, the simplest defense against stretching the head is to go towards the attacker, but if the attacker knows this defense, he knows that it is good to block the shoulders so that someone cannot get closer ...
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te techniki są w użyciu, ale do zmiany pozycji, do obrony z innych pozycji itp. itd...
jako technika kończąca działa tylko na niedoświadczonych, na początkujących... nie mam na myśli "biały pas", osoby które to to kilka razy doświadczyły niemal nigdy nie odklepią, jednak zazwyczaj będą zmuszone do zmiany pozycji lub odpuszczenia własnego ataku...
ta technika w sumie jest duszeniem przez brak powietrza osób z nierozciągniętą szyją... tym bardziej osoba podduszana ma baaardzo duuuużo czasu na decyzję, zapewne zbanowane zostało, gdyż znalazł się ktoś, kto stwierdził, że nie odklepie, podobnie jak niektórzy nie odklepują prostej dźwigni na stopę "tactarov", ale szyja nie wytrzymała zwiększania siły... zapewne on też zwiększał siłę przy innym ataku... na filmie zbyt mocno próbójesz przedstawić białe jest białe czarne czarne....
dla przykładu, jeśli ktoś wciąga w "gardę" i tylko ją trzyma czekając na błąd, w kimonie możesz zastosować duszenie kimonem przez dociskanie na szyi, odepchnie z "gardy", w wersji no-gi zgięcie głowy do klatki jest najprostsze... można też skożystać z innych technik podduszania...
kesa-gatame, zerknij na wersję catch wrestling, atak na podduszanie przez zgięcie głowy, przez ucisk klatki, dodatkowo lekki atak na bark poprzez łokieć...
to, jak poprawnie zgiąć komuś głowę w kierunku klatki piersiowej paradoksalnie najlepiej możesz nauczyć się na boksie tajskim, najprostszą obroną przed naciągnięciem głowy jest iść w kierunku atakującego, ale jeśli atakujący tą obronę zna, to wie, że pasuje jeszcze zablokować barki żeby ktoś nie mógł się zbliżyć...
The link to "My Method of Judo PDF" doesn't work.
So this stuff is old school now is it?
Which rickson DVD is that from?
Rickson also demonstrated a neck crank from the crucifix position on an old "Fight Science" episode: ua-cam.com/video/Kfc8287i0_M/v-deo.html
So wait it is completely band in the style or just competition? I guess it's good that BJJ exist so it won't fade away.
Kosan judo is also still around. Getting abit more profiled now.
on beginers in bjj you can't do it, wrist lock also...
@@SI-ln6tc yeah Rhonda Rousey's mom and some others started a league that allows you to use band moves in Judo
Dont worry, it won't fade away! As mentioned elsewhere in the comments, , there are many in the Jujitsu / Old School Judo community (Danzen Ryu, etc.) who have practiced and taught these techniques for a loooong time and will continue to do so😎.💮
That Kesa-Geme, I was sparing with a Friend of Mine who does BJJ. We Grapled, I tried to roll through Him pulling Me. It did'nt work, My Man got Me Good I had to Tap out. Now, I"m 6-6, and at Time about 320, My Friend is 5-10 205. I was doin Ok until I tried to Graple with Him.
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it's called Brazilian jiu-jitsu???
I like the background music, what is it?
Rude-eternal youth
@@hellbow1851 thaaaanks
They have been replaced with modern techniques such as shido and mate
I know the basic's, but the more you is standard..
At around 430 -isn't that a guillotine?
4:57 here in brazil there was an accident in a championship, the movement was really similar, unfortunately the fighter became quadriplegic.
ua-cam.com/video/ZAttGpfDeWA/v-deo.html
Hey brother the link doesn't work, can you create another one please?
If people want to see neck spine locks rare subs live they should really watch my 10 narrated rare sub highlights u would see the suck it choke live like Rickson but both legs up. Chadi fact you haven't studied them ot used any footage is strange if ur going to be attempting to describe biomechanics of submissions
Dan quit picking on chadi, he's one of the good ones and def not a Rokas lol. But your roll footage speaks for itself and yes it would be nice to see them in action vs a black n white photo with a few arrows.
Try that in English.
WWE preserved a ton of martial knowledge.
Lol here you go with the “Lost” talk again...quit doing sport Judo
Hi Chadi. Myself and some others from my Jujutsu school have taken to UA-cam in an effort to make sure that Kyushin Ryu style techniques are not lost to time. The techniques are presented in the traditional way, mainly for demonstration purposes. We have one neck lock uploaded so far, I think it’s one that you’ve talked about before in previous videos. ua-cam.com/video/6nGqClVWFIY/v-deo.html The neck locks that you mention in this video are all present in our style. Loving the content, as always keep up the good work.