Ignoring the loonaverse, my interpretation of this mv is that it tells a story about fake prophets and/or parasocial relationships. Those girls are basically adoring ARTMS as their god, following all their words with the promise of getting powers eventually. But, as the ending shows, they never got what they wanted to achieve and probably d1ed in the process (girls on the ground unconscious, 5 black crosses shown later). This could also apply for idol fanatism. The ARTMS members are promising to "be there when your wings break", but they aren't directly close to all their fans, just like Virtual Angels, so they're unable to actually help them if needed. Kinda dark, which makes me love this mv even more.
I interpreted it as a critique of idol parasocial relationships too. The girls are worshipping ARTMS like gods and trying to emulate them to be empowered and badass etc., while the group isn't actually in any contact with them ("Virtual" Angel) The group is encouraging this with the "I'll be there for you" lyrics, but they're blissfully unaware up in their heaven while the girls possibly lost their lives when they went too far with zeal in the scene where they "channelled" the members/ the goddess. Possible theory: that event caused the members to suddenly realize the harm they caused inadvertently. Could be why Heejin is upset when she sees the Artemis figure at the end of Birth, it reminds her of that event. The girls are only seen unconscious/ maybe dead after the channelling scene, and I'm pretty sure the crosses in the sky can't be anything good.
Agree! I absolutely love the last chorus scene where it said “I’ll be there for you when your wings break”, but then we see the girl is fallen on the ground. It’s painfully ironic 🥲
I was so focused on the Loonaverse I didn’t even think about that as a concept for what they may be experiencing IRL. Dark indeed, but this is a really cool take on it. Thanks for sharing!
youre not wrong, but for whatever reason its tattooed backwards. also i heard that the original title for this track was gonna be Eden so, very interesting!
I'm surprised you didn't point out the heaven background flashing to a hell-like background in the final chorus. To me that seems like one of the most important details!
My interpretation is: After breaking the loop in PTT, and during the Flip That video, the girls clearly goes separate ways, opening NEW spin offs of the loonaverse. It's prophetcally a goodbye vide, series finale. The ARTMS' girls we're welcomed in their destiny by miss Artemis herself [we can see they arriving in the city in a train as they finished flip that in the train] and were re-birthed there by Artemis, carrying a piece of her each. When in this new world, the girls are seen like Gods and built a cult lead by Artemis. In this MV we are being introduced to the world and ARTM's cult. They are powerfull now and in charge of the world, expading their power day by day. BUT the girl with the camera its going to be a treath to artms. she is not allienated by the cult... Meanwhile, Loossemble is back on earth having fun and trying to find the other members. Chuu and Yves are on a self learning journey around the world. It's like the Loonaverse had its finale in Flip That and now we have 4 new shows to watch! Each door in Flip That means a new path for the girls and they started new jorneys trough the free~
💻💻 The computer scientist you needed is here to explain what happens in the code snippet at 12:38! 💻💻 This snippet needs a lot more context to be 100% sure about what I'm going to say, but I'm ALMOST certain. The top part is a C++ out of context function that copies groups of elements ( _group_info->nbblocks_ ) towards a user buffer ( _grouplist_ ). It does it by manipulating blocks of fixed size or until all elements have been copied, using ' _copy_to_user_ ' to ensure the security of the operation. The objective seems to transfer data from a kernel structure towards a user space, a usual process in the Linux driver progamming. In short, this won't add anything to the MV lore unfortunately, this is just for the sake of looking cool. The bottom part is way to hard to decypher.
I noticed Jinsoul has that thing going on with the bridge of her nose which can also be seen with Hyeju in the *Girls Night mv..Showing that connection between Jinsoul & Hyeju in Loona Lore.
One cool detail I observed in the mv is that in the chorus Jinsoul sings this "The sin of absorbing the sun The moment it causes harm" Which made me remember about Egoist MV, her rap part had a can of cherries that has the words "The sun in the afternoon" (correct me if I'm wrong) I know cherries are significant in the loonaverse, being what Choerry uses to switch dimensions. I don't really know how this ties together, I just thought it was a cool connection
it reminded me of the lyric from "singing in the rain" where she said "for the sin of swallowing up the afternoon sun" ... i LOVE that-even if the actual loona lore isn't continuing-we're getting fun callbacks like this
Well the "absorbing the sun" part can also be translated with "swallowing the sun". Something similar happened with the Love&Live MV in which they say "hugging the sun" but this can also be translated with "swallowing the sun". So I'm just guessing that they translated it differently this time, while they actually do mean the same thing! ^^ And in the Egoist MV her part continues with: "Little by little, soaked into my veins On&on, you and me the endless cycle We can’t be separated" So this could mean that by swallowing the sun (cherries or their assigned fruits) they return to one another / find one another more easily. Maybe the cherries in Yves Album are a hint to this? 🤔
yes the swallowing the sun motif! It's a recurring motif in jinsoul'arc from her solo I think, though I think it hadn't been mentioned since her rap part in egoist until now. I think it's curious how the lyric always presents the swallowing of the sun as an explicit sin, specially as other christian motifs appear in the music video (crosses, angel wings). I tried to connect it to the Egyptian creature of Apophis, who tries to swallow the sun, represented by the sun god Ra, when the latter uses his boat to guide the sun through the day; the relevance is also placed on the 'swallowing' part here. Also, on IVE's recent comeback, I think the motif is also used, within regards to what I think is a Korean or asian folktale, of a tiger who tries to swallow the sun, where such act is framed as one of pride (which can be framed also as a sin or sinful action)
@@loonamemes101g2 Feels a little weird to advertise my own content lol, but I made a video all about the OEC unit and explained all of the different cultures that use the imagery of eating the sun! ^^ (it's at 24:00 in my "the abcs of Loona part 2.5" video if you're interested)
@@loonamemes101g2 Pride is seen as the worst sin in many ways cause it's the root of all the others. I think it could mean the sin of not "accepting the fate of the moon" trying to change fate a rejection of the natural order and elevating yourself above it as well as swallowing the fruit which has obvious biblical knowledge of good and evil but also symbolically I think it is about the eclipse the moon (inferior, feminine) goes in front of the sun (superior masculine) it's almost a blasphemous phenomenon and comes up all over the place in loonas lore
Watching your video and reading the comments section I’ve realized a few things, which I’ll try to synthesize throw this gigantic text. Because this MV have such clear references to LOONA lore, but also so clearly creates para social criticism, I was thinking hard to make them both make sense, and then I thought: what if Jaden’s goal was always to criticize the idol-system in Kpop. He himself have said he doesn’t like to do what is expected, and even his whole project for LOONA illustrates how he never meant to create an idol group in the way the industry expected to. Which lead me to: Girls in Eden represents girls who want to become idols. That can be explained by how strict Eden was with yyxy and their demanding teacher. Here these girls are also on Eden. They look up to these idols/seniors and want to become like them. Going to heaven = To debut. That’s why ARTMS (now experienced artists) are on the screen depicted in a heaven-like scenery. That’s also why LOONA were always looking up in the sky during pre-debut, why they were trying to ascend “high high”. Why in all of these they were going up high buildings. They want to go to heaven, to debut. yyxy’s saga showed girls who broke the system. Falling from eden is failing to debut. In yyxy’s story, they escape their fate of not being able to debut, to fit the standards or requirements, by embracing their true self, by empowering each other and uniting with the rest of the loona girls. In Virtual Angel, we see these girls being depicted in a more graphic manner why they didn’t fit the standards, by having tattoos and shaved heads, by kissing girls, dating biker boys and not behaving. Even tho they get their superpowers (become talented trainees) they failed to debut, to ascend to heaven - they fall. Loona message have always echoed with embracing differences, empowering yourself and breaking the system. I think that’s what all of it was always about. Good lord! But I also do want to theorize how these 5 girls are meant to represent yyxy+yeojin, and how the girl with the camera is past vivi. My idea is that, artms (the already debuted girls from 1/3 and oec) deviate yyxy+yeojin from their path of debuting (by recruiting them from other companies?) and Vivi/antlers are meant to represent trainees that do fit the standards and will in fact debut. She is captivated by yyxy+yeojin, and allured to a different direction. We always theorized who killed vivi and why. I think the industry did. She dies and become an android = the industry suppresses her true personality and identity and obligates her to behave in a certain manner. Loona 1/3 saga was about that, to rescue Vivi and help her to Love&Live again, while oec goal was to unite the 12 fallen girls in one Girl Front. Just to clarify, I think Yeojin is among these girls as the girl in the motorcycle in love with the boy, because it does align with her Kiss Later MV, and I think Hyunjin is represented by Choerry herself, being her counterpart. The reason why it does so much sense to me is because I never understood where did Jaden came from with such a crazy lore, with time travel, eden, androids and things like that. But with this simple goal to criticize the idol-system I can see him coming up with such motifs and symbology to create a big adventure for 12 girls. (Let me just say, I don’t think that all the stuff done by BBC into the loonaverse will be included in ARTMS lore, but I do think that Jaden wants to reclaim what he created with LOONA and re-purpose it with new ideas with ARTMS)
my interpretation of the mv was that these girls devoted themselves to artms thus believe to live in their own eden (real world) and they even replicated the way yyxy or eden girlies who broke the system and descended to earth which these devotees attempted themselves despite being in earth already hence led to their twisted demise. and with regards to the ARTMS, the members themselves said that they represent diff ego of the goddess artms upon its dismemberment and so does the YYXY girls
saw an account on twitter analyze the mv as well and the javascript code used in the mv is also used in other media as a "hacker code" but doesnt actually do anything as far as i remember
I don't think its all nonsense though. Like I think I recognize the for loop, but that's about all I can remember from programming classes from like 4 years ago lol.
We know that if they’re stepping mid air it’s a metaphor that they’re elevating to the next sub space/dimension. One of the members here is going up higher (to Eden if they’re in middle earth, if in Eden then somewhere even higher?) When the glowing blue angel member is ascending it’s very similar to Kim Lip in the cut footage of the Why Not MV. She is shown glowing (yellow or white?) and stepping up to a higher dimension Kim Lip said in a behind the scenes video that she isn’t flying in that cut Why Not MV footage, it’s supposed to look like she’s ascending using stair steps. Much like Heejin going from Earth to middle earth when she jumps off the roof and starts stepping midair in the Hi High MV. (Heejin isn’t glowing in that one however)
Virtual angel has also become my favorite Loona song. Lots of references to Loona lore and now these angel and goddess references. I was expecting to see Haseul's odd eye circle but maybe that's for later. I heard a theory about the original mv. The bodies on the ground shown at the end of the mv would be lifeless. Flashes are like memories that come like flashes at the moment of our death. At this moment we would also think of angels there to welcome us to paradise. The flash and strong light give the impression of seeing real angels. another theory: the group of girls are fanatics, like a sect, worshiping the goddess Artemis. Wishing to make her appear, their ritual causes the goddess to appear who is divided into 5 members of ARTMS at the end of the mv. And I guess the girls committed suicide as a sacrifice to see the goddess. I think you can mix a lot of theories together.
Ahhh youre so good at noticing that thing with vivi and the camera!! she is often seen as being left out in loona cos she's not human like the others!! this girl is left out too!!! i never noticed the antler person was a dude 😮 scandelous ~ omg i love this vid so much!! cant wait for more!! i fell in love with Loona because the lore got me super hype in a giddy, jump up and down way that i rarely ever feel happy like that anymore!! i finally feel it again with Artms coming back & theory vids being out again!!!!! ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡
i was so obsessed with finding hidden details in this mv that i analyzed that red light reflection on the monitors in the intro for like 20 minutes before coming to the conclusion that it's probably nothing 😂
so my theory since Artms started is that the white figure is meant to be a "mother" figure. the "mother" is most likely (so far imo) a false mother, something that appears loving and warm, but is sinister underneath (kinda like with Coraline, for example!) Artemis is the goddess of many things, but one of them is.. childbirth!! in Loossemble's "Sensitive" MV, Hyeju is wearing a shirt that says, "Motherhood, the only place where you can experience heaven and hell at the same time". i think that this fake mother trapped them or wants to keep these girls as her daughters, they think they are in "Eden", a heavenly perfect place, but just like in Loona's YYXY "Lov4ever" we see that Eden is merely perfect-appearing, all superficial, with darkness laying underneath. i believe that motherhood & this white creature are strongly tied together and will be a carrying theme throughout ARTMS & Loossemble's lore!!
Damn... I really like your video... I really just enjoyed watching MV, so I might just didn't notice those details. Those details in MV are really chilling me.
I think it would be very cool if that fallen girl was Hyeju since Hyeju was the only real girl of Eden who made the others. After she falls she ends up in Eden and remembering only that she was not alone and had friends, so she creates some
idk if you've mentioned this but i think the antlers in the boys, as well as the deer heads on the walls refer directly to the groups' namesake goddess, Artemis, whose sacred and representative animal was, as well as Vivi's, a deer. I think jaden chose the name for the group due to the symbolism bc it allows him to connect vivi to the overarching concept that artms as a group have. Also notice the tattoos that the girls/worshippers have spell "artemis" with the -e- directly instead of the groups name, so i think the room they're in is a worship room or aktar as you've said, and they're worshipping Artemis in its revealed, fragmented form, which is ARTMS as a group :)
Another conection that was being pointed out on Twitter is that on Girls' Nith there's also an inverted triangle that Yeojin sees on the sky right before being kidnaped. Interesting stuff that may suggest Jinsoul (or all of ARTMS) was the one stealing her.
1:083:18 and 14:18 The Red Flare/Marking on the left screen. That's the reflection of a Neon, but out of frame. I didn't find which Neon, yet... But it looks like two wings, one of which is upside down. The White/Black animals (Dogs and Zebra) 1 Dog is watching the screen, the other one watching the Viewer. Black and white is used for the Yin and Yang. Male and Female principals. Also in the MV, only females have wings, Males have antler. The pyramid has 5 faces, the number of members and "Acolytes". Upside Down Pyramid means "focusing more on the spiritual world than the material world". Like the upside down triangle btw. And soooo much more, don't get me started on the white feathers of ARTMS and Black feathers of TripleS. The double Circle of the crying eye (Eclipse/Sin), the teddybear's pile like in tripleS Girl's Capitalism. Don't tell me I'm gonna spend my wk watching the MV because of you :DDD
With the MV having lots of christian symbolism/iconography with the cross, "Savior" and "Eden" the triangle/pyramid could also be interpreted through that lens as a symbol for the holy trinity. In history pyramids and triangles have been used in religious spaces as symbols for it, but with the triangle/pyramid being inverted there could be some other layers to it.
2:43 that upside-down pyramid also appears in the Girls’ Night’s MV and kills Yeojin. What if artms and loossemble are in a war against each other?? 😭😭💀
okay hear me out- the ending shot with the 5 "bow and arrow crosses" look like swords to me. Upside down swords- and the 5 of swords tarrot card reversed means: Reconciliation, making amends, past resentment
5:30 i think you kind of missed the point here. overall your video is good - albeit a bit surface level of an analysis. you get caught up too much in trying to tie everything to the loonaverse - and miss a lot of the artistic symbolisms and the actual message behind the video. side note, i dont think all the parallels to the loonaverse are there - i have a VERY hard time believing JJ agrees with everything BBC did lore-wise after his departure, so i wouldnt 100% consider it cannon to JJ's artms universe by the way the translation of "save me savior" is written to be more like "save me (like a digital file)" not "save me (im in need of help)"
Not related to the Loonaverse but I think that ARTMS are a group of gods (or angels) but ARTEMIS is the main god. And I also believe that the light sticks might be like a symbolic meaning just like how a cross would be. Not experienced in LOONA a lot because I just joined the LOONA Fandom recently so correct me if I'm wrong :')
my dumbass thought xg cameod cos the purple lipstick girl looked like Maya a little and the girl with shaved head made me think "oh maybe that's cocona" but then they released the non-seizure version where i got a better look at their faces lol
Just curious, do we know that the girls (including Loosemble, Yves, and Chuu) are continuing the original lore? Or are they starting a new storyline that isn't connected to one another and just using similar imagery? Genuinely curious if the girls have stated this at all!
We don't know about the soloists, but both Artms and Loossemble have hinted to the number 12 multiple times. There are 12 moons on the Artms website and there were 12 pods at the end of Loossemble's debut. Maybe it's just a homage to Loona, but I think they're clearly hinting to Loona coming back together eventually. It's great that all 12 girls still hang out regularly and visit each other's events, which adds a lot to the coming back together theory imo.
that "javascript" definitely has something to do with androids and codes. I just always hear it throughout the years I was studying. javascript then android and coding. Vivi? Vivirtual angel?
suena riesgoso, pero no considero valido nada del loonaverse post Butterfly, si ven los MVs solo son referencias a lo que fue el pasado del loonaverse pre debut y el legado de Butterfly
Ignoring the loonaverse, my interpretation of this mv is that it tells a story about fake prophets and/or parasocial relationships.
Those girls are basically adoring ARTMS as their god, following all their words with the promise of getting powers eventually. But, as the ending shows, they never got what they wanted to achieve and probably d1ed in the process (girls on the ground unconscious, 5 black crosses shown later).
This could also apply for idol fanatism. The ARTMS members are promising to "be there when your wings break", but they aren't directly close to all their fans, just like Virtual Angels, so they're unable to actually help them if needed.
Kinda dark, which makes me love this mv even more.
I interpreted it as a critique of idol parasocial relationships too. The girls are worshipping ARTMS like gods and trying to emulate them to be empowered and badass etc., while the group isn't actually in any contact with them ("Virtual" Angel) The group is encouraging this with the "I'll be there for you" lyrics, but they're blissfully unaware up in their heaven while the girls possibly lost their lives when they went too far with zeal in the scene where they "channelled" the members/ the goddess.
Possible theory: that event caused the members to suddenly realize the harm they caused inadvertently. Could be why Heejin is upset when she sees the Artemis figure at the end of Birth, it reminds her of that event. The girls are only seen unconscious/ maybe dead after the channelling scene, and I'm pretty sure the crosses in the sky can't be anything good.
Agree! I absolutely love the last chorus scene where it said “I’ll be there for you when your wings break”, but then we see the girl is fallen on the ground. It’s painfully ironic 🥲
I was so focused on the Loonaverse I didn’t even think about that as a concept for what they may be experiencing IRL. Dark indeed, but this is a really cool take on it. Thanks for sharing!
Same! I had the same interpretation
I definitely missed everything w the lobotomy version so thanks for this
Lobotomy version is insaneeee😭💀
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2:26 it says "eden desu", which is somethin like "this is eden"
youre not wrong, but for whatever reason its tattooed backwards.
also i heard that the original title for this track was gonna be Eden so, very interesting!
you're so real for using the Beyoncé clip on Haseul's part
We all felt that moment! ❤ Transcendental moment
Thank you Haseul
11:15 im kinda surprised that no one came to that conclusion before when vivi was the one recording when jinsoul appeared in the letter to hong Kong
its so creative how they intertwined the theme of parasocial relationships with the lore
I also wanna point out that the deer (Stag) is the animal that is usually always next to the goddess Artemis as she is the goddess of hunt
I'm surprised you didn't point out the heaven background flashing to a hell-like background in the final chorus. To me that seems like one of the most important details!
My interpretation is: After breaking the loop in PTT, and during the Flip That video, the girls clearly goes separate ways, opening NEW spin offs of the loonaverse. It's prophetcally a goodbye vide, series finale. The ARTMS' girls we're welcomed in their destiny by miss Artemis herself [we can see they arriving in the city in a train as they finished flip that in the train] and were re-birthed there by Artemis, carrying a piece of her each.
When in this new world, the girls are seen like Gods and built a cult lead by Artemis. In this MV we are being introduced to the world and ARTM's cult. They are powerfull now and in charge of the world, expading their power day by day. BUT the girl with the camera its going to be a treath to artms. she is not allienated by the cult...
Meanwhile, Loossemble is back on earth having fun and trying to find the other members. Chuu and Yves are on a self learning journey around the world.
It's like the Loonaverse had its finale in Flip That and now we have 4 new shows to watch! Each door in Flip That means a new path for the girls and they started new jorneys trough the free~
💻💻 The computer scientist you needed is here to explain what happens in the code snippet at 12:38! 💻💻
This snippet needs a lot more context to be 100% sure about what I'm going to say, but I'm ALMOST certain.
The top part is a C++ out of context function that copies groups of elements ( _group_info->nbblocks_ ) towards a user buffer ( _grouplist_ ). It does it by manipulating blocks of fixed size or until all elements have been copied, using ' _copy_to_user_ ' to ensure the security of the operation.
The objective seems to transfer data from a kernel structure towards a user space, a usual process in the Linux driver progamming.
In short, this won't add anything to the MV lore unfortunately, this is just for the sake of looking cool.
The bottom part is way to hard to decypher.
Much appreciated! I don't remember much about C++ other than cin and cout so this clarifies things a little
12:27..Red flash with the triangle like the invasion ship that appears in front of Vivi that takes out Yeojin in the *Girls Night mv
I noticed Jinsoul has that thing going on with the bridge of her nose which can also be seen with Hyeju in the *Girls Night mv..Showing that connection between Jinsoul & Hyeju in Loona Lore.
You missed the red moon eclipse! Kim lips moon/ odd eye!!!!!
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One cool detail I observed in the mv is that in the chorus Jinsoul sings this
"The sin of absorbing the sun
The moment it causes harm"
Which made me remember about Egoist MV, her rap part had a can of cherries that has the words "The sun in the afternoon" (correct me if I'm wrong)
I know cherries are significant in the loonaverse, being what Choerry uses to switch dimensions.
I don't really know how this ties together, I just thought it was a cool connection
it reminded me of the lyric from "singing in the rain" where she said "for the sin of swallowing up the afternoon sun" ... i LOVE that-even if the actual loona lore isn't continuing-we're getting fun callbacks like this
Well the "absorbing the sun" part can also be translated with "swallowing the sun". Something similar happened with the Love&Live MV in which they say "hugging the sun" but this can also be translated with "swallowing the sun".
So I'm just guessing that they translated it differently this time, while they actually do mean the same thing! ^^
And in the Egoist MV her part continues with:
"Little by little, soaked into my veins
On&on, you and me the endless cycle
We can’t be separated"
So this could mean that by swallowing the sun (cherries or their assigned fruits) they return to one another / find one another more easily. Maybe the cherries in Yves Album are a hint to this? 🤔
yes the swallowing the sun motif! It's a recurring motif in jinsoul'arc from her solo I think, though I think it hadn't been mentioned since her rap part in egoist until now. I think it's curious how the lyric always presents the swallowing of the sun as an explicit sin, specially as other christian motifs appear in the music video (crosses, angel wings). I tried to connect it to the Egyptian creature of Apophis, who tries to swallow the sun, represented by the sun god Ra, when the latter uses his boat to guide the sun through the day; the relevance is also placed on the 'swallowing' part here. Also, on IVE's recent comeback, I think the motif is also used, within regards to what I think is a Korean or asian folktale, of a tiger who tries to swallow the sun, where such act is framed as one of pride (which can be framed also as a sin or sinful action)
@@loonamemes101g2 Feels a little weird to advertise my own content lol, but I made a video all about the OEC unit and explained all of the different cultures that use the imagery of eating the sun! ^^
(it's at 24:00 in my "the abcs of Loona part 2.5" video if you're interested)
@@loonamemes101g2 Pride is seen as the worst sin in many ways cause it's the root of all the others. I think it could mean the sin of not "accepting the fate of the moon" trying to change fate a rejection of the natural order and elevating yourself above it as well as swallowing the fruit which has obvious biblical knowledge of good and evil but also symbolically I think it is about the eclipse the moon (inferior, feminine) goes in front of the sun (superior masculine) it's almost a blasphemous phenomenon and comes up all over the place in loonas lore
Watching your video and reading the comments section I’ve realized a few things, which I’ll try to synthesize throw this gigantic text.
Because this MV have such clear references to LOONA lore, but also so clearly creates para social criticism, I was thinking hard to make them both make sense, and then I thought: what if Jaden’s goal was always to criticize the idol-system in Kpop. He himself have said he doesn’t like to do what is expected, and even his whole project for LOONA illustrates how he never meant to create an idol group in the way the industry expected to.
Which lead me to: Girls in Eden represents girls who want to become idols. That can be explained by how strict Eden was with yyxy and their demanding teacher. Here these girls are also on Eden. They look up to these idols/seniors and want to become like them. Going to heaven = To debut.
That’s why ARTMS (now experienced artists) are on the screen depicted in a heaven-like scenery. That’s also why LOONA were always looking up in the sky during pre-debut, why they were trying to ascend “high high”. Why in all of these they were going up high buildings. They want to go to heaven, to debut.
yyxy’s saga showed girls who broke the system. Falling from eden is failing to debut. In yyxy’s story, they escape their fate of not being able to debut, to fit the standards or requirements, by embracing their true self, by empowering each other and uniting with the rest of the loona girls.
In Virtual Angel, we see these girls being depicted in a more graphic manner why they didn’t fit the standards, by having tattoos and shaved heads, by kissing girls, dating biker boys and not behaving. Even tho they get their superpowers (become talented trainees) they failed to debut, to ascend to heaven - they fall.
Loona message have always echoed with embracing differences, empowering yourself and breaking the system. I think that’s what all of it was always about.
Good lord!
But I also do want to theorize how these 5 girls are meant to represent yyxy+yeojin, and how the girl with the camera is past vivi.
My idea is that, artms (the already debuted girls from 1/3 and oec) deviate yyxy+yeojin from their path of debuting (by recruiting them from other companies?) and Vivi/antlers are meant to represent trainees that do fit the standards and will in fact debut. She is captivated by yyxy+yeojin, and allured to a different direction. We always theorized who killed vivi and why. I think the industry did. She dies and become an android = the industry suppresses her true personality and identity and obligates her to behave in a certain manner.
Loona 1/3 saga was about that, to rescue Vivi and help her to Love&Live again, while oec goal was to unite the 12 fallen girls in one Girl Front.
Just to clarify, I think Yeojin is among these girls as the girl in the motorcycle in love with the boy, because it does align with her Kiss Later MV, and I think Hyunjin is represented by Choerry herself, being her counterpart.
The reason why it does so much sense to me is because I never understood where did Jaden came from with such a crazy lore, with time travel, eden, androids and things like that. But with this simple goal to criticize the idol-system I can see him coming up with such motifs and symbology to create a big adventure for 12 girls.
(Let me just say, I don’t think that all the stuff done by BBC into the loonaverse will be included in ARTMS lore, but I do think that Jaden wants to reclaim what he created with LOONA and re-purpose it with new ideas with ARTMS)
5:55 ..Blue flowers behind Heejin similar to the blue flowers on the swing she was riding at the end of the *Not Friends mv
my interpretation of the mv was that these girls devoted themselves to artms thus believe to live in their own eden (real world) and they even replicated the way yyxy or eden girlies who broke the system and descended to earth which these devotees attempted themselves despite being in earth already hence led to their twisted demise.
and with regards to the ARTMS, the members themselves said that they represent diff ego of the goddess artms upon its dismemberment and so does the YYXY girls
saw an account on twitter analyze the mv as well and the javascript code used in the mv is also used in other media as a "hacker code" but doesnt actually do anything as far as i remember
I don't think its all nonsense though. Like I think I recognize the for loop, but that's about all I can remember from programming classes from like 4 years ago lol.
@@Hidye1the for loop looks like it will continue forever lol so it might as well be useless 😭
We know that if they’re stepping mid air it’s a metaphor that they’re elevating to the next sub space/dimension. One of the members here is going up higher (to Eden if they’re in middle earth, if in Eden then somewhere even higher?)
When the glowing blue angel member is ascending it’s very similar to Kim Lip in the cut footage of the Why Not MV. She is shown glowing (yellow or white?) and stepping up to a higher dimension
Kim Lip said in a behind the scenes video that she isn’t flying in that cut Why Not MV footage, it’s supposed to look like she’s ascending using stair steps. Much like Heejin going from Earth to middle earth when she jumps off the roof and starts stepping midair in the Hi High MV. (Heejin isn’t glowing in that one however)
Virtual angel has also become my favorite Loona song. Lots of references to Loona lore and now these angel and goddess references.
I was expecting to see Haseul's odd eye circle but maybe that's for later.
I heard a theory about the original mv. The bodies on the ground shown at the end of the mv would be lifeless. Flashes are like memories that come like flashes at the moment of our death. At this moment we would also think of angels there to welcome us to paradise. The flash and strong light give the impression of seeing real angels.
another theory: the group of girls are fanatics, like a sect, worshiping the goddess Artemis. Wishing to make her appear, their ritual causes the goddess to appear who is divided into 5 members of ARTMS at the end of the mv. And I guess the girls committed suicide as a sacrifice to see the goddess.
I think you can mix a lot of theories together.
Thanks for using the Human Eye version 😅
I kinda had to lol... If I used the original and did this style, I would have to have a talking segment for EVERY cut because it goes by so fast.
Ahhh youre so good at noticing that thing with vivi and the camera!! she is often seen as being left out in loona cos she's not human like the others!! this girl is left out too!!!
i never noticed the antler person was a dude 😮 scandelous ~
omg i love this vid so much!! cant wait for more!! i fell in love with Loona because the lore got me super hype in a giddy, jump up and down way that i rarely ever feel happy like that anymore!! i finally feel it again with Artms coming back & theory vids being out again!!!!! ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡
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That red dark background reminds me of when loona was dancing in ptt and it became dark red and end of world apocalypse rapture like.
I love watching your analysis cause how did i not realize that they showed Artemis splitting into Artms again!!!
i was so obsessed with finding hidden details in this mv that i analyzed that red light reflection on the monitors in the intro for like 20 minutes before coming to the conclusion that it's probably nothing 😂
so my theory since Artms started is that the white figure is meant to be a "mother" figure.
the "mother" is most likely (so far imo) a false mother, something that appears loving and warm, but is sinister underneath (kinda like with Coraline, for example!)
Artemis is the goddess of many things, but one of them is.. childbirth!!
in Loossemble's "Sensitive" MV, Hyeju is wearing a shirt that says, "Motherhood, the only place where you can experience heaven and hell at the same time".
i think that this fake mother trapped them or wants to keep these girls as her daughters, they think they are in "Eden", a heavenly perfect place, but just like in Loona's YYXY "Lov4ever" we see that Eden is merely perfect-appearing, all superficial, with darkness laying underneath.
i believe that motherhood & this white creature are strongly tied together and will be a carrying theme throughout ARTMS & Loossemble's lore!!
The pyramid thing reminded me of the spaceship that abducted Yeojin in Loosemble
Damn... I really like your video... I really just enjoyed watching MV, so I might just didn't notice those details. Those details in MV are really chilling me.
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I think it would be very cool if that fallen girl was Hyeju since Hyeju was the only real girl of Eden who made the others. After she falls she ends up in Eden and remembering only that she was not alone and had friends, so she creates some
6:01 there was also a ddr scene in everyday I love you
7:08 I don't know but these bones remind me of the ouroboros in Girls' night because the style looks similar to me.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
7:01 to me this reads like a clear reference to the movie fallen angels by wong kar-wai
this MV is peak LOONA tbh
idk if you've mentioned this but i think the antlers in the boys, as well as the deer heads on the walls refer directly to the groups' namesake goddess, Artemis, whose sacred and representative animal was, as well as Vivi's, a deer. I think jaden chose the name for the group due to the symbolism bc it allows him to connect vivi to the overarching concept that artms as a group have. Also notice the tattoos that the girls/worshippers have spell "artemis" with the -e- directly instead of the groups name, so i think the room they're in is a worship room or aktar as you've said, and they're worshipping Artemis in its revealed, fragmented form, which is ARTMS as a group :)
Another conection that was being pointed out on Twitter is that on Girls' Nith there's also an inverted triangle that Yeojin sees on the sky right before being kidnaped. Interesting stuff that may suggest Jinsoul (or all of ARTMS) was the one stealing her.
1:08 3:18 and 14:18 The Red Flare/Marking on the left screen. That's the reflection of a Neon, but out of frame. I didn't find which Neon, yet... But it looks like two wings, one of which is upside down.
The White/Black animals (Dogs and Zebra) 1 Dog is watching the screen, the other one watching the Viewer. Black and white is used for the Yin and Yang. Male and Female principals. Also in the MV, only females have wings, Males have antler.
The pyramid has 5 faces, the number of members and "Acolytes". Upside Down Pyramid means "focusing more on the spiritual world than the material world". Like the upside down triangle btw.
And soooo much more, don't get me started on the white feathers of ARTMS and Black feathers of TripleS. The double Circle of the crying eye (Eclipse/Sin), the teddybear's pile like in tripleS Girl's Capitalism.
Don't tell me I'm gonna spend my wk watching the MV because of you :DDD
at 7:37 the imagery reminded me more of egoist, the part where hyeju is hugging herself and she looks at the camera, rather than haseul’s part in ptt
With the MV having lots of christian symbolism/iconography with the cross, "Savior" and "Eden" the triangle/pyramid could also be interpreted through that lens as a symbol for the holy trinity. In history pyramids and triangles have been used in religious spaces as symbols for it, but with the triangle/pyramid being inverted there could be some other layers to it.
2:22 the tattoo says "eden desu" basically saying i am/this is eden
The constant mention of eden feels like it's for a reason. I feel like the yyxy references could lead up to something
I honestly thought that xg was in the mv that i thought one of them were cocona
yaayyaya, you have Vietnam sub, thank youu
2:43 that upside-down pyramid also appears in the Girls’ Night’s MV and kills Yeojin. What if artms and loossemble are in a war against each other?? 😭😭💀
Dude, at 3:16, the bottom right TV has pink color background while others are blue :v
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okay hear me out- the ending shot with the 5 "bow and arrow crosses" look like swords to me. Upside down swords- and the 5 of swords tarrot card reversed means: Reconciliation, making amends, past resentment
Such a good video!! My mind is blown lol
oh i feel so dumb i thought it was just crosses cos of the heavy Christian themes & aesthetics, but now i see the bow and arrow!!
5:30 i think you kind of missed the point here. overall your video is good - albeit a bit surface level of an analysis. you get caught up too much in trying to tie everything to the loonaverse - and miss a lot of the artistic symbolisms and the actual message behind the video.
side note, i dont think all the parallels to the loonaverse are there - i have a VERY hard time believing JJ agrees with everything BBC did lore-wise after his departure, so i wouldnt 100% consider it cannon to JJ's artms universe
by the way the translation of "save me savior" is written to be more like "save me (like a digital file)" not "save me (im in need of help)"
idk if ur a regular viewer of his channel but he is a lore based channel analyzer not an artistic analyzer one
Your last paragraph is nonsense
basically artms describing the loona cult lmao
Not related to the Loonaverse but I think that ARTMS are a group of gods (or angels) but ARTEMIS is the main god. And I also believe that the light sticks might be like a symbolic meaning just like how a cross would be. Not experienced in LOONA a lot because I just joined the LOONA Fandom recently so correct me if I'm wrong :')
my dumbass thought xg cameod cos the purple lipstick girl looked like Maya a little and the girl with shaved head made me think "oh maybe that's cocona" but then they released the non-seizure version where i got a better look at their faces lol
it's just me or i noticed the snake in vivi scene of the mv girls night appeared in the back ground of the screen when artms dancing????
LET’S GOOOO LORES 🫦
Just curious, do we know that the girls (including Loosemble, Yves, and Chuu) are continuing the original lore? Or are they starting a new storyline that isn't connected to one another and just using similar imagery? Genuinely curious if the girls have stated this at all!
We don't know about the soloists, but both Artms and Loossemble have hinted to the number 12 multiple times. There are 12 moons on the Artms website and there were 12 pods at the end of Loossemble's debut. Maybe it's just a homage to Loona, but I think they're clearly hinting to Loona coming back together eventually. It's great that all 12 girls still hang out regularly and visit each other's events, which adds a lot to the coming back together theory imo.
Im kind of curious of whats choerrys role in artms now that seeing some of their choreography like from their birth performance
5:35 THAT WAS FOR US LESBIANS SIRR !!:;
Could you please cover the lore for TripleS? So much happened in Girls Never Die and no one is talking about it here on YT. I just wanna know more!!
you missed a choerry subtitle in the human eye ver. music video halfway through where it has like numbers
that "javascript" definitely has something to do with androids and codes. I just always hear it throughout the years I was studying. javascript then android and coding. Vivi? Vivirtual angel?
can i ask what you think abt the lyrics to do with eden in virtual angel? could this also be something to do with gowon vivi and hyeju?
The Japanese tattooed at 2:26 says エデンです (eden desu) or this is Eden
@6:36 i don't think this is accidental, it could be a referance to OnlyOneOf's "angel" mv??????
analysis?? girl, you gave a description with a few notices of vague references. i hope you will bring out an actual analysis.
You have a really attractive voice. 😅
Minha teoria só vai pro lixo ou se concretiza depois do comeback da CHUU 😅😂
i really want to know what the JavaScript thing is
suena riesgoso, pero no considero valido nada del loonaverse post Butterfly, si ven los MVs solo son referencias a lo que fue el pasado del loonaverse pre debut y el legado de Butterfly
This music video has many connections with Loossemble's girls nighy
It wasn't Japanese at all. Maybe runes?
The beyonce was personal 😂
considering 99.99% of people can't watch the whole thing lmao
Let’s give an extra round of applause to Orbits who had to suffer for the making of these recent videos related to Virtual Angel🤣
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