The final result of return channel E swallowing all the heavily effected sound is a very pleasing moment where the sound seems to be sucked down and nothing remains. Lovely!
This might a new thing in 11 but if you're going to send Return FX back to a regular audio channel or bus in the main mix... disable all the sends on that bus and you wont get the comb filtering/doubling issue. makes zero sense but it works. It's how I solved for this when I was setting up my old template. I had multiple mix busses all grouped together into my 2 bus. The return FX thing drove me insane and almost killed the entire set up but lo and behold, disabled all sends on my mix busses and 2bus group and boom. No more doubling. I don't know what it is about the sends in ableton but they can cause all sorts of weird interactions even at -inf.
thx man! an even better solution. :) I had same issues and it got to a point where i even wanted to switch to another DAW, because the returns just worked there! Glad that i have this info now, cause i love ableton. cheers
V good and clearly explained! Thanks! Don´t understand why sending return tracks into a audio bus have to generate delay though. Cannot a track delay setting deal with this? Or is it too difficult to get accurate?
Yes!! I've ran into this issue a few weeks back and found the solution is to disable the sends so there is no infinite loop. Ableton can't calculate delay compensation because it's a infinite loop! But I didn't think to use another return track, that's smart too 😇
yes, this is the best way... ofc the workaround in the vid works as well, but if u want to have a premaster track without touching the masterbus you ran into the same delay compensating issue
Absolutely spot on, we’ve been releasing tracks for years and never even thought of this… Tried the first option but the ability of solo disappears.. Good trick.. Shame Live needs a hack, but love it.. MMFF
hey was just checking this video out. i also had issues with this. I think if you disable sends on the grouped track, then the delay compensation works. have you tried that?
Doh, I missed that! A good reminder to look into my notification and subscription settings! Possibly a newb question, but can you subscribe to a channel and filter that channel's feed? For example, you guys put out a great deal of content that is not particularly useful to me (Logic, Fl, etc) so it's possible I unsubscribed on accident? Can't stress how much I admire Liam's approach, so I have that playlist saved. There's maybe an option there.
@@treyhudson73 Great question and totally understand what you mean. You can hit the bell icon next to Subscribe to receive Personalised Notifications of our uploads, which should hopefully help out. Other than that, we'd recommend heading to www.musictech.net/ and subscribing to our weekly newsletter and social media accounts to find out when our next video gets uploaded! Hope that helps :)
Hey, Liam. This got me thinking now: does just standard grouping/bussing in Ableton cause any time delays? I've noticed a difference in how send/return effects are processed on a group versus if I do it on the individual tracks (ie; drums, synths, even if I highlight all and turn up the knobs). Now I'm sitting here wondering if I group too often, because I tend to group ALL my instruments, even during the creation process.
Man this is soooooo gooood! thx thx thx!!! i was struggling with exactly this issue for years! Great workaround! How did you come up with this idea? This is genius! 👍👍👍 One question: If you wanna record the Return FX Group, print it for later. Is that possible? cheers man
For my mixes I usually use Auxs 1-4 for delays, and Auxs 5-8 for Reverbs. I will usually use the sends on delay Auxs 1-4 to my Reverb Auxs 5-8. Would having all of the FX Auxs set to send only still work? Or would this be too CPU intensive to recommend doing?
Great video thank you. Quick question ,do we ever need to lower the fader on a return track? I have seen some protocols users lower the return fader but never seen an Ableton user do this.
Thanx Man, very good explanation. i left with one question, when i route all my mix to a group to be able to compare to reference track, can i route the return´s group to the group with all my mix? thanx
great explanation!!!! but I have a question.. lets say in my mix I have the drum group routed to a audio track which Im calling the Total music bus. I have both my drum and instruments group routed to this track so I can control their overall volume with the fader in relation to the voz ( which I have route to another seperate audio track) my question is.. .can I apply this fx process to gain more control over the fx of each channel before they reach the master bus? so instead of controlling the fx from the sends in the total music bus I control them from a separate fx track ?
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I spent some time trying to find the answer to this. Thank you for the information!
As always - great explanation, thanks so much
The final result of return channel E swallowing all the heavily effected sound is a very pleasing moment where the sound seems to be sucked down and nothing remains. Lovely!
This might a new thing in 11 but if you're going to send Return FX back to a regular audio channel or bus in the main mix... disable all the sends on that bus and you wont get the comb filtering/doubling issue. makes zero sense but it works. It's how I solved for this when I was setting up my old template. I had multiple mix busses all grouped together into my 2 bus. The return FX thing drove me insane and almost killed the entire set up but lo and behold, disabled all sends on my mix busses and 2bus group and boom. No more doubling.
I don't know what it is about the sends in ableton but they can cause all sorts of weird interactions even at -inf.
thx man! an even better solution. :) I had same issues and it got to a point where i even wanted to switch to another DAW, because the returns just worked there! Glad that i have this info now, cause i love ableton. cheers
Great observation and discovery! I just tested and it and you are right. Thank you so much for sharing. 🙂
finally i found a sloution for this. great video!
Nearly gave up trying to do this until I found your video. Thanks!
Greatest Ableton series out there!
wow I have been looking for this info for years. Subscribed.
Thank you sir!
Nice one Liam...keep these up..very clear & concise
Thanks, will do!
V good and clearly explained! Thanks!
Don´t understand why sending return tracks into a audio bus have to generate delay though. Cannot a track delay setting deal with this? Or is it too difficult to get accurate?
This is what I have been looking for. So much appreciation.
04:29 You can offcourse disable all the sends on the FX Group you talk about here. You wont have any delay issues.
Yes!! I've ran into this issue a few weeks back and found the solution is to disable the sends so there is no infinite loop. Ableton can't calculate delay compensation because it's a infinite loop! But I didn't think to use another return track, that's smart too 😇
And if you already used all your returns then well.. you're screwed 😊
yes, this is the best way... ofc the workaround in the vid works as well, but if u want to have a premaster track without touching the masterbus you ran into the same delay compensating issue
@@BurnedwOw What?
Can someone verify this ?
Just the info I was looking for! Thanks!
Thank you. This helped me to solve my problem of routing Delay into Reverb Return. Cheers!
Excellent, very clear. Thanks!
this was exactly what i needed thank you !
Absolutely spot on, we’ve been releasing tracks for years and never even thought of this… Tried the first option but the ability of solo disappears.. Good trick.. Shame Live needs a hack, but love it.. MMFF
Thanks!
hey was just checking this video out. i also had issues with this. I think if you disable sends on the grouped track, then the delay compensation works. have you tried that?
very good training, well explained
GOOD QUICK STUFF - THUMBS UP
Very nice explanation and demonstration. Keep up the good work Liam.
This is what I needed!! Thank you so much!!!
I absolutely LOVE Liam as a teacher! That being said, I'm confused as to why you wouldn't release an Ableton 11 New Features video.
We did! ua-cam.com/video/ncG7uT1XigA/v-deo.html
Doh, I missed that! A good reminder to look into my notification and subscription settings! Possibly a newb question, but can you subscribe to a channel and filter that channel's feed? For example, you guys put out a great deal of content that is not particularly useful to me (Logic, Fl, etc) so it's possible I unsubscribed on accident?
Can't stress how much I admire Liam's approach, so I have that playlist saved. There's maybe an option there.
@@treyhudson73 Great question and totally understand what you mean. You can hit the bell icon next to Subscribe to receive Personalised Notifications of our uploads, which should hopefully help out. Other than that, we'd recommend heading to www.musictech.net/ and subscribing to our weekly newsletter and social media accounts to find out when our next video gets uploaded! Hope that helps :)
Hey, Liam. This got me thinking now: does just standard grouping/bussing in Ableton cause any time delays? I've noticed a difference in how send/return effects are processed on a group versus if I do it on the individual tracks (ie; drums, synths, even if I highlight all and turn up the knobs). Now I'm sitting here wondering if I group too often, because I tend to group ALL my instruments, even during the creation process.
Man this is soooooo gooood! thx thx thx!!! i was struggling with exactly this issue for years! Great workaround! How did you come up with this idea? This is genius! 👍👍👍 One question: If you wanna record the Return FX Group, print it for later. Is that possible? cheers man
so how do u group them
Is that a speak and spell in the background?😀
For my mixes I usually use Auxs 1-4 for delays, and Auxs 5-8 for Reverbs. I will usually use the sends on delay Auxs 1-4 to my Reverb Auxs 5-8. Would having all of the FX Auxs set to send only still work? Or would this be too CPU intensive to recommend doing?
Great video thank you. Quick question ,do we ever need to lower the fader on a return track? I have seen some protocols users lower the return fader but never seen an Ableton user do this.
just experiment and find it out by yourself. there is no right or wrong in music, dont forget that
Thanx Man, very good explanation. i left with one question, when i route all my mix to a group to be able to compare to reference track, can i route the return´s group to the group with all my mix? thanx
can you group a return track with groups of individual tracks?
No but this is not really grouping is it? It's routing.
hey sir , do you also teach or consult ? i have some queries.
great explanation!!!! but I have a question.. lets say in my mix I have the drum group routed to a audio track which Im calling the Total music bus. I have both my drum and instruments group routed to this track so I can control their overall volume with the fader in relation to the voz ( which I have route to another seperate audio track) my question is.. .can I apply this fx process to gain more control over the fx of each channel before they reach the master bus? so instead of controlling the fx from the sends in the total music bus I control them from a separate fx track ?
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I always group my returns so i can control how they hit the master
❤️🏆!!!
omfg dude i ow u a beer
Yo dawg I heard you like returns..
the main probleme why i thought about switching daw is resolved thank u