@@Faravid829 against heat spaced armor is worthless or even actively harmful youd need like meters of space plus more backup armor to stop the overpen of the shot
@@KoishiVibin huh maybe I am misremembering, but I thought spaced armor was specifically effective against HEAT because it would prematurely detonate the shape charge before it hits the actual hull.
months ago i made "stalinium", a mesh that's hundreds of 1mm plates spammed at +/-5° angles, since sprocket makes any shot ricochet at >85°, regardless of thickness, inside of a 25° elevation to target, it makes it so you always have a plate that's at least at this angle of incidence, making it completely unpenetrable. all while being about as light as a 35mm plate
@@jujuteuxOfficial yeah it would be better for them to focus on including an overmatching mechanic. As hilarious as it is to build unkillable tanks that look like a heat sink.
@@Faravid829 i just use it to make stuff like T70 light tanks able to shrug off panthers and the like, where even long 88s don't make it through, it's kinda fun
@@Alpacaluffy nah you just have 5 edges with a common point, like a V with 5 prongs, then extrude it to make plates, then you have a 0°, 5°, 10°, -5° and -10°
I have a idea, after they fix the bugs and make the update. They should make it to where the armor can wear out after getting shot at a couple of times in the same spot.
@@thewonderwaffleofficial something like : "If (hit) = >1 then (armor) = X : 1.5". (Not really an actual programing language, but it could go like this basically, it would activate if "hit" is larger than 1, decreasing the armor by a multiplier of like 1.5 .) Not very realistic either.
Finally! Like a year ago I made spaced "composite" armour on many "MBTs" for historical snd style reasons. It's super cool that they will finally have an actual functional advantage! Hopefully this gets refined to be more accurate.
@@seanrea550 There's basically no other way to do it. Sprocket doesn't care anyways, the damage model doesn't really differentiate between who fires the shots.
Working freeform spaced armor is a really nice change, since we previously had to use the restrictive singular armor plates. I made a cool leclerc this way, but now you get much more possibilities.
Already dones this before on my 300 ton tank, so... it has about 1000mm of effective armor on the front plate, plus an extra 200 effective, so.. around 1200-1500, plus the transmission allowing more armor...
I feel like at the moment velocity makes shells do weird stuff as well. I have a vehicle that has a total of 4 plates at different angles, total direct thickness of about 120mm, effective thickness of about 300mm and a 30mm shell with 130mm of pen, going about 1000m/s went through it like butter. It only stopped penetrating when the actual thickness of the plates (not counting angles thickness) exceeded the penetration of the shell.
@@thewonderwaffleofficial My plan is to first setup a similar testing structure as you in the video for a more controlled test and mess around a bit, after which I'll make a report. It could as well be a microscopic gap in my armor somewhere, but I'll find out!
I've made a merkava inspired tank with interal compartments divided by 30mm armor plating, safe to say it's very well protected while staying lightweight, because it allowed me to reduce the thickness of the UFP and LFP
My tanks are all STRV 103 adjacent doom wedges, most with a matching turret. I don't have penetration issues because I also have thicker armor to supplement the wedge.
In my opinion, all it does is counter sub caliber shells by destabilizing them and catch a majority of the stalling, I would use it a a primary tool to stop rounds, just reduce their effectiveness such as heat and apcr.
*oh god ! That tank looks like a type 97 Chi-Ha ! And i like it ! I love the Chi-ha's design , please do more what-if japanese tanks and their hypothetical post-war variants*
@@EdyAlbertoMSGT3yes and it's not fully working. A lot of features, even basic ones like combat scenarios are still missing. The last stable version is from over 15 months ago.
If the fuse of the shell is activated after a penetration, it shouldn't matter how many more plates there are after that, the shell won't pen if there's enough space for the shell to detonate
I've been a fan of adding NERA to my own tanks using Applique armor (using a turret or shaving off a plate somehow made my tank less protected as somehow the penetrated shell would still damage modules and kill the crew) and i made a series of tanks using applique armor as NERA plates, i am interested to see how the alpha ends of up with. i like to make MBTs with NERA arrays for fun.
Nice video! Also out of curiosity, what features do you wish Sprocket had, regardless if they would be something in the near future (bug fixes, scenarios back, etc.) or far future (Close air support, multiplayer, more scenarios, etc.)?
The new-ish update with "unmanned" addon components you can sculpt might make spaced and even composite armor doable now. I used to make shitty composite armor with the riveted panels after they actually gave them an armor value. I'd layer a shit ton of them spaced slightly apart to create a shitty sort of NERA. Also I dont think they considered the idea that someone would build an entire firing range on the outside of their tank and put a fuel tank there which is probably why it killed you. The fuel tanks simply damage everything once they catch fire with no respect for its location. Tbh this should be fixed tho because some tanks did in fact use external fuel tanks so if they caught fire it wouldn't go inside the tank. Such ss the Leopard 2, Object 279, M1 Abrams, etc.
The old external fuel tanks would also eat all shells so I’m guessing this will be fixed soon. Even in the base version of the game this happens unless you use APHE. I made a vehicle with an outward layer of 5mm armor and it would take hundreds of AP rounds before going down, but if hit once with APHE that penetrated it would die.
Sprocket multiplayer and with 80s and 90s weaponry would PEE SHIT AND CRAP over warthunder. It would be a neat thing that I used to be a part of in Garry's mod it was called ACF you could build your own armored vehicle and fight but garry's mod engine often limited then umber of those vehicles around as well as the player's building skill who at the beginning mostly had welded shit
In your Steam Library game menu, right click on Sprocket and open "Properties." In the Properties > Betas tab, opt into the experimental branch and the game will automatically update to the experimental branch. Remember to back up your blueprints.
buddy the gun was penetrating 160mm it was just producing spalling, but it looked like it didnt penetrate because the spalling started at the beginning of the 160mm plate rather than the end as it should, so the holes on the other side had marks from the spalling rather than just the hole of the shell. Hope this helps
I don't think this is exactly the case, because the 160mm gun was unable to penetrate the 150mm, 130mm, and 100mm plates afterwards. If it was, then the game has some incredibly strange issues going on...
@@thewonderwaffleofficialnot sure if this was intended (probably not) but realistically the shells had a minimal range of effectiveness where the shell would work as a shell normally does, anything closer than that and the shell would shatter due to being too hot from the propellant, which might've resulted in point-blank shots not penetrating a significantly thinner piece of armor the gun was rated for Of course take all of this with a grain of salt as I'm just a guy on the internet with an opinion and not an expert on ballistics ;p and in the end this doesn't really matter apart from being a little piece of trivia not many people might consider
I don't think testing armor is really possible yet, the values are all wrong and just weird. I've had gigantic 250mm shells not penetrate/damage 10mms of armor
its pretty sad a game based on armor penetration simulation and sells on that point. cannot handle handle penetration other than the most basic single surfaces.
What i want to say that small addon structure with 10mm armor for me can stop ANYTHING. 226mm of penetration? 10mm addon structure + 10mm of main amor and you dont give a f*ck. For now its not OP, just broken. Right now ANY build with ANY kind of spaced armour can be classified as OP and broken.
That’s due to bugs with how the cannon performance is calculated. I ran into this bug at first, but was able to fix it in the video. The gun I used in later parts of testing was specifically picked because its expected performance matched its actual performance.
@@thewonderwaffleofficial my biggest peeve honestly is the tracks, the roadwheels will disappear randomly and u have to reload the vehicle, sprockets and running wheels will go way past the tracks and when u move them back not catch the tracks, its nuts, makes it so frustrating when it used to be just fine
holly smokes, this game is sooooooo full of bugs! How the fuel tank burning outside of the tank exploded ammo in the turret?! Why shells phase through sold armor to kill crew? WTF is this? And I was complaining about War Thunder, LMAO.
Note: some of these bugs have already been fixed, so expect things to run more smoothly when trying it out.
noiice
What game is this?
@Skyhigh_905 Sprocket Tank Design
@@thewonderwaffleofficial Thanks!
@@thewonderwaffleofficialis it free?
I don't know whenever this proves that "spaced armor works" or "Sprocket doesn't work"
Both
Honestly with the exception of against HEAT and ballistic caps the advantage of spaced armor are pretty hard to simulate in a game.
Right now its just broken tbh.
@@Faravid829 against heat spaced armor is worthless
or even actively harmful
youd need like meters of space plus more backup armor to stop the overpen of the shot
@@KoishiVibin huh maybe I am misremembering, but I thought spaced armor was specifically effective against HEAT because it would prematurely detonate the shape charge before it hits the actual hull.
months ago i made "stalinium", a mesh that's hundreds of 1mm plates spammed at +/-5° angles, since sprocket makes any shot ricochet at >85°, regardless of thickness, inside of a 25° elevation to target, it makes it so you always have a plate that's at least at this angle of incidence, making it completely unpenetrable.
all while being about as light as a 35mm plate
@@jujuteuxOfficial yeah it would be better for them to focus on including an overmatching mechanic. As hilarious as it is to build unkillable tanks that look like a heat sink.
@@Faravid829 i just use it to make stuff like T70 light tanks able to shrug off panthers and the like, where even long 88s don't make it through, it's kinda fun
oh so this is what gaijin uses for it's soviet vehicles
how do you stack at +/- 5 degrees? wouldnt it just overlap?
@@Alpacaluffy nah you just have 5 edges with a common point, like a V with 5 prongs, then extrude it to make plates, then you have a 0°, 5°, 10°, -5° and -10°
Hamish feeling a little silly when deciding that fuel tanks are more lethal than ammo racks
No kidding
And making external fuel tanks usable as ERA lmao.
This is what Gaijin thinks Russian ammo is like.
@RedVRCC i tried this... reminder to not use the square ones...
I have a idea, after they fix the bugs and make the update. They should make it to where the armor can wear out after getting shot at a couple of times in the same spot.
It would be neat, not sure how difficult it’d be to implement though.
@@thewonderwaffleofficial something like : "If (hit) = >1 then (armor) = X : 1.5". (Not really an actual programing language, but it could go like this basically, it would activate if "hit" is larger than 1, decreasing the armor by a multiplier of like 1.5 .) Not very realistic either.
@@Swagmaster07 yes but its the exact point where it was shot is the problem
@@alex29red I think it can easily be traced by the already existing hitboxes from the plates
@@alex29red I gave a simple idea on how to do that, sure I know that but I aint gonna cover it, just saying its doable and not like Insanely hard.
Finally! Like a year ago I made spaced "composite" armour on many "MBTs" for historical snd style reasons. It's super cool that they will finally have an actual functional advantage! Hopefully this gets refined to be more accurate.
would be even more fun when the shell designer is added
looking foward for testing if we can do apfsds at 1940's and spawnkill the King Tiger from Crossroads
I did that with a WWI tank already ua-cam.com/video/Yp98qF6gMxk/v-deo.html
@@fatos_e_argumentosvery short rod APFSDS is possible
Me on my way to make a 2 meter long APFSDS.
@@RedVRCC ja hanz, JAA
tank goes boom because computer thinks ammo are parts of the tank
Hopefully that gets fixed eventually.
The bigger question is why were the test platforms part of the same vehicle as the tank?
@@seanrea550 There's basically no other way to do it. Sprocket doesn't care anyways, the damage model doesn't really differentiate between who fires the shots.
3:17 looks like that other guy took jacob 2 for a drive
Let bro cook
Bro has discovered the ways of crossout
Because apparently Crossout players invented the concept of spaced armor
Wait until he finds out it only works against stuff that explodes on contact (almost nothing)
I would never ever have guessed to see you under a Sprocket video and I can't wait for you to reach the 5k
Working freeform spaced armor is a really nice change, since we previously had to use the restrictive singular armor plates. I made a cool leclerc this way, but now you get much more possibilities.
I mean, you technically could layer your armor, it was just extremely unreliable and led to some odd bugs.
I can't stop laughing at the tank in the background hahahah
"Before the update, it was a roll of the dice if the shell penetrated. Now, it's even more unpredictable!"
aww i wanted to see how spaced angled armor performs
My guess is it would be very similar to just stacking armored plates, but with more effectiveness due to the sloping.
Already dones this before on my 300 ton tank, so... it has about 1000mm of effective armor on the front plate, plus an extra 200 effective, so.. around 1200-1500, plus the transmission allowing more armor...
man every time I look at sprocket development, I get more impressed. I remember when it was super barebones.
It’s coming along, that’s for sure
I feel like at the moment velocity makes shells do weird stuff as well. I have a vehicle that has a total of 4 plates at different angles, total direct thickness of about 120mm, effective thickness of about 300mm and a 30mm shell with 130mm of pen, going about 1000m/s went through it like butter. It only stopped penetrating when the actual thickness of the plates (not counting angles thickness) exceeded the penetration of the shell.
That’s very interesting. Maybe file a bug report for Hamish at github.com/Muushy/Sprocket-Feedback/issues
@@thewonderwaffleofficial My plan is to first setup a similar testing structure as you in the video for a more controlled test and mess around a bit, after which I'll make a report. It could as well be a microscopic gap in my armor somewhere, but I'll find out!
I've made a merkava inspired tank with interal compartments divided by 30mm armor plating, safe to say it's very well protected while staying lightweight, because it allowed me to reduce the thickness of the UFP and LFP
Our great Colson ඞ
8:36 I love how the second tank in the background implies this is not a mere test but a geneocide of jacobs
Don’t forget the other two on the opposing side of the map
My tanks are all STRV 103 adjacent doom wedges, most with a matching turret. I don't have penetration issues because I also have thicker armor to supplement the wedge.
I really loved this video man!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Type 4 Chi-To was clearly your inspiration for this though weirs that the MG is on the right rather than the left but shrug great video.
Thanks! This vehicle was basically a WoT "what if" Japaneese vehicle.
In my opinion, all it does is counter sub caliber shells by destabilizing them and catch a majority of the stalling, I would use it a a primary tool to stop rounds, just reduce their effectiveness such as heat and apcr.
the return of my favorite UA-camr, yay ^w^
I've been quite busy lol
*oh god ! That tank looks like a type 97 Chi-Ha ! And i like it ! I love the Chi-ha's design , please do more what-if japanese tanks and their hypothetical post-war variants*
My plan was to take the hull and give it an Italian turret next. I’ll take that idea for my Freeform video though.
So far, drive shafts do not take damage, so it might be the reason they eat all shells.
As for spaced armor plating, well, it is really weird...
Man I should start playing sprocket again, last time I played there wasn't even any crew or interior....Like two years?
The crew and interior that you speak of actually arrived just a few months ago
@@EdyAlbertoMSGT3yes and it's not fully working. A lot of features, even basic ones like combat scenarios are still missing.
The last stable version is from over 15 months ago.
If the fuse of the shell is activated after a penetration, it shouldn't matter how many more plates there are after that, the shell won't pen if there's enough space for the shell to detonate
I've been a fan of adding NERA to my own tanks using Applique armor (using a turret or shaving off a plate somehow made my tank less protected as somehow the penetrated shell would still damage modules and kill the crew) and i made a series of tanks using applique armor as NERA plates, i am interested to see how the alpha ends of up with. i like to make MBTs with NERA arrays for fun.
10:05 So Jacob is immune to nato and Warsaw pact rifle cartridges
possibly
the damage on ammoracks is super sick, explodes only if you hit the propellant, but what if the ammo is aphe?
APHE does not exist yet
I use the plates for MBTS and it works so well
That’s one way to utilize them
Nice video! Also out of curiosity, what features do you wish Sprocket had, regardless if they would be something in the near future (bug fixes, scenarios back, etc.) or far future (Close air support, multiplayer, more scenarios, etc.)?
Bug fixes, 0.127 features back, mod support, and multiplayer.
The new-ish update with "unmanned" addon components you can sculpt might make spaced and even composite armor doable now. I used to make shitty composite armor with the riveted panels after they actually gave them an armor value. I'd layer a shit ton of them spaced slightly apart to create a shitty sort of NERA.
Also I dont think they considered the idea that someone would build an entire firing range on the outside of their tank and put a fuel tank there which is probably why it killed you. The fuel tanks simply damage everything once they catch fire with no respect for its location. Tbh this should be fixed tho because some tanks did in fact use external fuel tanks so if they caught fire it wouldn't go inside the tank. Such ss the Leopard 2, Object 279, M1 Abrams, etc.
The old external fuel tanks would also eat all shells so I’m guessing this will be fixed soon. Even in the base version of the game this happens unless you use APHE. I made a vehicle with an outward layer of 5mm armor and it would take hundreds of AP rounds before going down, but if hit once with APHE that penetrated it would die.
good video
Glad you enjoyed it!
spaced armor works, it's what you put between the spaced armor that counts
這是一場完全不嚴謹而且充滿錯誤的方式的實驗，但我很喜歡你的嘗試
What Ive learned is that my tanks needs to be covered in upright facing ammo
Welcome back! And I’m sorry to hear about your robot failing, but hey, you made it to the international stage at least right?
Yep, and we didn’t score last either!
@@thewonderwaffleofficial hey! That’s good to hear at least! Congratulations by the way.
@@TacticalDumbas5 Thanks!
Sprocket multiplayer and with 80s and 90s weaponry would PEE SHIT AND CRAP over warthunder. It would be a neat thing that I used to be a part of in Garry's mod it was called ACF you could build your own armored vehicle and fight but garry's mod engine often limited then umber of those vehicles around as well as the player's building skill who at the beginning mostly had welded shit
Post-1950s is probably going to come from mod support
I was about to ask you to test this but you apparently read my mind and made a video about it
It was surprisingly easy to find your brain scan on the internet
@@thewonderwaffleofficial i hope the things you saw there didnt traumatize you
I spoke to you on the sprocket discord
我記得三號坦克 正面裝甲都有額外的間隙 裝甲，難怪可以當成主戰車
I don't have to simulate composite and spaced armor by making dumby thick tanks anymore
My sprocket doesnt look like that, how do I fix it to get ur features since I need them very badly?
Open your game's properties in Steam and opt into the 0.2 alpha
@@thewonderwaffleofficial ok im on vacation rn but when I get back i’ll reply if it worked
The new meta fr fr🥶🥶🥶🗣🗣🗣
Sprocket is a US gov ploy to get new tank designs
🤫
Based on experience a double layer of 40 mm armour can stop a 155mm shell without any problems
Interesting
All of them are aimed at the balls NOOO
How do you get to look your sprocket like that, mine still looks like the old version.
You have to join the alpha
@@Faravid829 How can you do that?
In your Steam Library game menu, right click on Sprocket and open "Properties." In the Properties > Betas tab, opt into the experimental branch and the game will automatically update to the experimental branch.
Remember to back up your blueprints.
How effective is the Amongus armor that you handed to me personally…
5 kilometers thick
maybe try increasing the muzzle velocity to maybe 800 m/s
With how bugged the current system is, that's not likely to change too much
I hope this update works well when finished 🙏
It’s not too bad overall, just a bunch of stuff to try and revisit.
I wish I could build my own tanks
The space armor might not work because the game might think youre shooting at yourself
Sprocket doesn't really care if you're shooting at yourself when it comes to the damage model.
Man they doing spaced armor wrong, you’re supposed to have a smaller tank inside the tank like a box in a box
hey what happened to the Sprocket website over the last 3-4 days? I'd ask elsewhere but I only just found out about your youtube channel
You mean the sprockettools.github.io/index.html website?
@@thewonderwaffleofficial yes. I wasn't able to access the site from about Thursday until early Sunday morning last week.
are they going to add apfsds? i'm tired of making my shells 8m long and having 1minute+ reloads
Not for awhile, if at all
Commit *NERA*
Why does UA-cam translator convert NERA into “Black”
@@thewonderwaffleofficial LMAO
Oi coldon!!
I like pizza with pineapple!!
I do too :)
Wonderwallfe dropped a vidio
3:27 Bro just shat a big one
didnt know ammo could be used as ammo
When’s your next video
Started working on it, not sure how long it’ll take to finish
well to be fair, Hamish is the only person who develops the game, so things may not be quite perfect. Just give the lad some time ig
Yep, this is understated considering the massive scope of these rewrites
JA!!!! WUNDERBAR!!!!
Are you able to make tankettes in this game?
Yep!
@@thewonderwaffleofficial hell yeah, I’ve had the game for so long and played it 2-3 times so I’m excited to play the update
👍👍👍
You could use war thunder to see how the armor works there in comparison to yours
1:15 Respect
No armour...IS BEST ARMOUR!
Sometimes
how do you make tanks like that?
Opt into the 0.2 alpha branch of Sprocket through Steam properties
What sprocket bot doing
Doing what a Sprocket Bot does
Poor Jacob
Can you go back in time to remove Jacob's seat so that he doesn't get hit in his balls?
Is there a Wet Ammo Storage in the Game ?
There is not
I want new materials for armor
Josef Suk Seranade for Strings enjoyer?
Josef Suk my beloved
@@vdv_snp5414 So true!
why don't i have the update :(
Get it through the game’s Steam properties
Spaced armour useless considering I have difficulties penetrating 20mm with a super Cannon
Armoured cruiser gun
It's currently bugged, I had to modify my testing alot to ensure things were accurate. Expect things to stabilize a bit soon regarding that.
Composite Is literally just spaced armor on crack
Bro just put fuel tanks behind the armor to make ERA it stops anything
they patched that I believe
So ammo racks are now ERA
Kind of? It depends on where you hit them.
@6.08 😂
buddy the gun was penetrating 160mm it was just producing spalling, but it looked like it didnt penetrate because the spalling started at the beginning of the 160mm plate rather than the end as it should, so the holes on the other side had marks from the spalling rather than just the hole of the shell. Hope this helps
I don't think this is exactly the case, because the 160mm gun was unable to penetrate the 150mm, 130mm, and 100mm plates afterwards. If it was, then the game has some incredibly strange issues going on...
@@thewonderwaffleofficialnot sure if this was intended (probably not) but realistically the shells had a minimal range of effectiveness where the shell would work as a shell normally does, anything closer than that and the shell would shatter due to being too hot from the propellant, which might've resulted in point-blank shots not penetrating a significantly thinner piece of armor the gun was rated for
Of course take all of this with a grain of salt as I'm just a guy on the internet with an opinion and not an expert on ballistics ;p
and in the end this doesn't really matter apart from being a little piece of trivia not many people might consider
Interesting, although I doubt Sprocket models this.
I don't think testing armor is really possible yet, the values are all wrong and just weird. I've had gigantic 250mm shells not penetrate/damage 10mms of armor
The bug was supposed to be fixed by now
Did u blow up my pancakes with ur mind?
Maybe
The guy in the thumbnail... what is he expected to do with such a short spanner? I hope he has a cheater bar.
Probably should have given him a longer bar...
its pretty sad a game based on armor penetration simulation and sells on that point. cannot handle handle penetration other than the most basic single surfaces.
To be fair, this is on an alpha branch. Things should improve over time as the update gets more stable.
seapearch?
What i want to say that small addon structure with 10mm armor for me can stop ANYTHING. 226mm of penetration? 10mm addon structure + 10mm of main amor and you dont give a f*ck. For now its not OP, just broken.
Right now ANY build with ANY kind of spaced armour can be classified as OP and broken.
That’s due to bugs with how the cannon performance is calculated. I ran into this bug at first, but was able to fix it in the video. The gun I used in later parts of testing was specifically picked because its expected performance matched its actual performance.
game is borked af right now
It is definitely a bit buggy
@@thewonderwaffleofficial my biggest peeve honestly is the tracks, the roadwheels will disappear randomly and u have to reload the vehicle, sprockets and running wheels will go way past the tracks and when u move them back not catch the tracks, its nuts, makes it so frustrating when it used to be just fine
How do you play it (ignore my user name)
You already have access to my PC, why are you asking?
In all seriousness, opt into the 0.2 alpha through the game properties in Steam
holly smokes, this game is sooooooo full of bugs!
How the fuel tank burning outside of the tank exploded ammo in the turret?! Why shells phase through sold armor to kill crew?
WTF is this? And I was complaining about War Thunder, LMAO.
As a Jacob all I can say is what the fuck why do you keep killing him that’s pretty messed up
Science must be done!
@@thewonderwaffleofficial 😭😭😭😭
Joseph Stalin
Accurate
Ok so my main takeaway from this video is that sprocket is bad
This is an alpha branch, without any bugfixes applied to the spalling. Of course it’s going to have some issues.
@@thewonderwaffleofficial oh that is good to know. I may have missed that but thanks
This video convinced me of never downloading this game
This is an alpha branch, without any bugfixes applied to the spalling mechanics. It's expected to have some issues.
hi
Hola
@@thewonderwaffleofficial wait a second, you are spanish? :0