Yeah but ChatGPT is overblown. At 3:12 I type the same question into Google search and got a similar answer with a direct link to the Dallas chip's Wiki page. lol
I always kind of knew there was something going on. My "genuine" apple cable would only briefly show a charge symbol before the phone would no longer respond. It seems the "genuine" chip in my cable was "taught the wrong response" hehe. Brilliant video, even a simple user like me can understand, and your graphics/editing are top notch! Another sub for your stack ;)
It would be interesting to see the results from cheap knock-off cables and other 3rd party cables to see what they spit out and if it is legitimate. The extra stuff in the cable and the communications explains the licensing Apple pushes and the increased costs. It also explains why Apple would not want to go USB-C because they would lose money, data, and control over the cables.
I'm wondering the same thing, Apple cables are the worst for durability at the stress area where the cable meets the end. Some manufacturers do a much better job on the cable build, they last a lot longer.
Having worked on embedded projects that communicate with iOS devices before, I'm very interested to see where this goes. Some of this I recall from the spec; other parts it seems they don't even share with their MFi partners. I will not be sharing more information, as I don't even remember what I can and can't legally say.
They were doing funky stuff with the 30 pin cable back in the day as well. A mix between analog and digital. I may be recalling this incorrectly, but I believe you had to do some dance applying different resistances to different pins in a specific order as part of the handshake. Really finicky stuff to get right. Different devices would react slightly differently to that handshake, to the point where even the different storage options of the same model of iPhone/iPod had an effect. You really had to test every permutation many times (50+) to be sure it worked. But take the details with a large grain of salt, I just did the testing. I remember this from hearing the engineers complain about it back then. I could be wildly wrong on the handshake part. I'm not worried about an NDA because I never signed anything like that with Apple. And the company where I got experience with this went bust a long time ago. Plus I don't think they really care about the 30 pin connector anymore, as long as you're not going around putting it on commercial products...
True. Like your exp, even in future, even for USB they are circumventing the standard protocol. USB already has data, power, fast charge etc. as standard - Apple is using only basic power from standard set, and they are using proprietary specs for other things (usb 3.1+ data speed, fast charge etc). All in the pretence of customer safety :)
@@rahuls4863 I have a feeling the EU will strike them down for that.. or at least try and say "you know what we meant, we're not tolerating *malicious* compliance, do it like everyone else does"
@@JamesR624 Lol! I have 9 year old USBC cables that still work like new. My Grandma has gone through another Apple branded lightning cable every other month since getting her polished turd of a phone.
Wow. As an Apple employee at a Genius Bar, this video brought me a lot. As I love giving my customers some details about their products, this is a lot! Until now, just said that their cable is not only a cable. Now I can explain that there’s a real chip with which the iPhone is talking to. In an other way, can’t understand why we have not tools to determine if a cable is genuine or not.
Great video! It's really interesting to learn about the technical details of Apple's Lightning connector and how it works. I appreciate the clear explanations and diagrams, and the various links provided for further exploration. Looking forward to Part 2!
I need the next video! This seems like a series episode and I want to watch all the episodes. 😂 Nice video, bro. I like to brush up some bits, and this type of video is very pleasant to me.
Hey, awesome video, loved all the technical details! On a side note, what kind of logic analyser would you recommend for someone just getting into hardware security? The Salae ones you showed are a little outside my undergrad budget ;) Will an ESP32/Raspberry Pi Pico suffice for most beginner usecases? What if I'm dealing with negative voltage signals? Many thanks for your videos! Got here after LiveOverflow recommended them :)
@@aathish04 I've used micros in the past, they're nice but one bit me when it pulled my i2c lines low when it wasn't powered. I use a digital discovery at work and it's amazing, especially with its high speed adapter kit. Very clean signals.
Personally I bought a 70$ one on Amazon and it does more than enough for me. Have used it a good bit. Probably the 10$ one would be enough for most to be honest
This is really cool! Also, side note, would you do this same analysis on one the old 30 pin cables? It would be really cool to see the differences between the older technology and the newer!
This is great part 2 can’t wait … there are some interesting other projects that might be able to be integrated with that tamarin cable, not very sure what “level” of signal processor / logic analyzer is required. But I have seen some open source logic analyzer on hackaday that use the PIO cores to get up to 24 channels , 16, 8… pretty sure you could pipe the GPIO that’s handling that communication into the other cores and have the ARM cores act like a TCP server to send the data through the USB connected to the PC to double as tamarin / logic analyzer . Very cool project hope there is part 2 , and maybe some Lightning peripherals? Like lightning to usb hdmi hubs ? Get the readings from those ?
this is so interesting wow! im now very curious about a few things tho. 1- How do splitters work? for example i have a very cheap aliexpress splitter that basically lets me plug in both charging cable and lightning earpods on my iphone at once, im guessing this thing is 100% passive but i have no ide and im not about to destroy it rn tbh. but if its passibe how can it communicate with both things at once? and if active, how does it get to split these two things? 2- does the cable reply to the device which charging capabilities it has? like if it can do fast charging or not, or is that linked to the modle number or name itself? 3- does the cable also talk to the charger it connects to? like does the apple PSU get any information about the lightning cable or device? apart from power delivery on fast chargers that is, especially curious on the old usb-a 5w and 10w ones and 4- how do fake cables work then? ive had bad luck getting some knockoff ones bc they would charge very very slowly and im thinking if it might be bc the controller was answering stuff wrong and the iphone has some sort of anti-illegitimate mehcanism or something or if it just replied as if it was the slowest charging cable that exists, i really hope youll check this stuff at some point plz! btw for reference this is the splitter i have (different store same thing tbh, not great bc it requires regular cleaning for it to work, also if u dont have experienc with aliexpress choose the aliexpress saver shipping unless its wayy too expensive for u bc at least in spain that option takes 2 weeks but the caniao expedited economy aka tghe default one for this takes months) www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004576959652.html
Before watching the video, I thought that embedding the chip in the USB cable was stupid, because it costs more and creates more waste. Now, I'm waiting for the next part.
I am firmly convinced that the German people are some of the smartest people in the world. The video was amazing! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I'm curious to see why apple never upgraded lightning to support USB3.0. From what I can see Lightning has 2 differential lanes and Power and that could carry a USB3 signal. I wonder if theres any other limitation.
Has anyone analyzed / tear down one of the lightning to usb camera adapters ? Haven’t found one anywhere, it would be interesting to see the difference between the normal cable and the “otg” cable? Or does it work the same as if you get a usb-c to usb-a female adapter ? Would that work
@@altayakkus4611 They have confirmed they will follow the law. The law mandates USB-C for charging. USB-C connectors are already a clusterfuck used for many different standards, and rumors are already that the USB-C cables Apple plan on the next iPhone will need Apple certification for full functionality.
I wish the video was not about the iPhone, but authentic Apple power bricks. I'm curious if these Apple charges for iPad/iPod etc. perform *handshake protocols* on the data signals of the Apple USB cords, other than the +5.0 Voltages.
I wonder, would this be able to debug an issue on a dumpster iPhone I found recently? I failed to flash iOS onto it, no matter if recovery or DFU mode, it always errors out or reboots at some point unexpectedly, and I have no idea what's wrong with it. I suspect a broken flash chip, but I can't tell for sure.
Send it to me. One of my iPhone's rudely erased all data on me after changing passcode. 2 failed attempts and I freaked out shut off the phone (despite the glitch yes the GLITCH) I rebooted the iPhone thinking it'll solve the glitch but I did not know what I just done and bam first passcode attempt and it is erased everything. (It may have been poor wifi during request passcode change so from now on anytime I change it I make sure wifi is flawless beforehand!) Anyways the point: this erased iPhone can still jailbreak using i2c box and even shows the iOS version 13.6.0 I am blaming Apple here. If it did erase "all data" then why the heck is it able to do this? P.S. This type stuff makes me want to sue company. False advertising IMO.
@@stacksmashing Thank you! Although I still somewhat envy your technical abilities, haha. I've worked with electronics for a very long time, but I wish I was more proficient with logic analyzers, scopes, etc. I've seen your videos before, particularly the AirTag one. Excellent stuff!
Really really interesting.... Dumb question/idea.... Would it be possible via rpi0 or RPI pico to convert video signal from lightning to uvc USB gadget mode?
I wonder if their Type-C cables have something like this as well. When connecting my 2021 11" iPad Pro to my PC using the stock charging (and data) cable it behaves very strangely. iTunes only connects properly (meaning apps like epoccam pro or duet are able to connect and work through usb) when I plug it into my graphics card (rtx 2080) and not my motherboard (B450M Mortar). However if I use a Type-C extension cable with the same original cable, connecting it to the graphics card no longer works, BUT connecting it to my motherboard does work.
@@johncoops6897 it works both ways, poorly implemented extension cable doesn't explain why it starts working with a slot that wasn't working with the original cable, if you meant the original cable is poorly implemented, I can agree with that edit: also my other type-c devices work perfectly with both slots with the extension cable too
@@Afthrast - Type-C is notorious for incompatibility issues. The problem is almost always that the manufacturer took some shortcut and didn't impliment the USB-C properly. For example, the cable's plug is double-sided however the connections are not mirrored. It relies on signals being on the correct sides on both upper and lower sides in order to work properly. That may not be what is wrong with your system, just an example. EDIT: I am not just talking about the cables themselves.
Will you be exploring how the lightning dongles such as 3.5mm audio and HDMI adapters function? Interested if they communicate over the USB bus or one of the other channels
If you got the usb camera adapter and or Ethernet , would be nice to know how they work. How they communicate with the tristar to use HID devices or Ethernet. There is no documentation on anything except for a handful of lightning charging cables ( like this video ) and some on the Haywire HDMI. But I have not been able to find any docs on usb camera adapter or the Ethernet. In your tamarind cable I notice you break out all the lightning pins. Without JB phone or any demoting ( for non debug use ). Can you just plug in a usb-HID device into the usb port, without sending / spoofing the lightning cables ID to tristar? And the HID device be recognized by the iOS device ? If not I would assume the tamarin cable firmware would need to be modified to send the ID for triggering the proper data lanes and/or the service in lockdownd ? Or iAP?
Like all true professionals, you make it look so easy! Can't wait for part 2!
It is easy, tho.
@@xy4489 only for professionals
@@xy4489it is not
@@tomikun8057not really he just showed you how to do it
Yeah but ChatGPT is overblown. At 3:12 I type the same question into Google search and got a similar answer with a direct link to the Dallas chip's Wiki page. lol
let me guess its just USB that is missing U
They should've called it the ASB cable, Apple Serial Bus. At least that would be honest because it's not fast nor universal.
@@Leonard_MT shouldn't it then be called adb?
@@RC2225 not to be confused with Android Debug Bridge
@@RC2225 Apple already made a connector called Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) and it was used for keyboards and mice.
@@RC2225 What would the 'd' be short for?
I always kind of knew there was something going on. My "genuine" apple cable would only briefly show a charge symbol before the phone would no longer respond. It seems the "genuine" chip in my cable was "taught the wrong response" hehe. Brilliant video, even a simple user like me can understand, and your graphics/editing are top notch! Another sub for your stack ;)
this is so insane. the cables are a genuine and certified scam and people are so jolly about it
It would be interesting to see the results from cheap knock-off cables and other 3rd party cables to see what they spit out and if it is legitimate. The extra stuff in the cable and the communications explains the licensing Apple pushes and the increased costs. It also explains why Apple would not want to go USB-C because they would lose money, data, and control over the cables.
Doesnt help when their shitty cable works with speed standards from the year 2000.
They did a gotcha and limited their new iPhone 15 base models to USB Type C with USB 2.0, but with the Pro Model having Thunderbolt. Touche Apple
I'm wondering the same thing, Apple cables are the worst for durability at the stress area where the cable meets the end. Some manufacturers do a much better job on the cable build, they last a lot longer.
They will soon
@@HoloScope the EU hit them once AGAIN with their bullshit and said they cannot limit any of it. lol
I always get excited when I see a new stacksmashing upload! Looking forward to the rest of this series
stack smashing detected (core dumped)
Cool =D You've made excellent progress there! Looking forward to part 2 =D
stacksmashing: See you again soon
* Five months later... *
Its been six now
😂😂
Having worked on embedded projects that communicate with iOS devices before, I'm very interested to see where this goes. Some of this I recall from the spec; other parts it seems they don't even share with their MFi partners.
I will not be sharing more information, as I don't even remember what I can and can't legally say.
MFi NDA
They were doing funky stuff with the 30 pin cable back in the day as well. A mix between analog and digital. I may be recalling this incorrectly, but I believe you had to do some dance applying different resistances to different pins in a specific order as part of the handshake. Really finicky stuff to get right. Different devices would react slightly differently to that handshake, to the point where even the different storage options of the same model of iPhone/iPod had an effect. You really had to test every permutation many times (50+) to be sure it worked. But take the details with a large grain of salt, I just did the testing. I remember this from hearing the engineers complain about it back then. I could be wildly wrong on the handshake part.
I'm not worried about an NDA because I never signed anything like that with Apple. And the company where I got experience with this went bust a long time ago. Plus I don't think they really care about the 30 pin connector anymore, as long as you're not going around putting it on commercial products...
True. Like your exp, even in future, even for USB they are circumventing the standard protocol. USB already has data, power, fast charge etc. as standard - Apple is using only basic power from standard set, and they are using proprietary specs for other things (usb 3.1+ data speed, fast charge etc). All in the pretence of customer safety :)
@@rahuls4863 as louis rossman quotes, "safety and security!"
@@rahuls4863 I have a feeling the EU will strike them down for that.. or at least try and say "you know what we meant, we're not tolerating *malicious* compliance, do it like everyone else does"
I love your approach to reverse engineer the protocol. Waiting for part 2 :D
Being a software developer in the automation industry, i love this kind of reverse engineering videos. Looking forward to the next parts ;)
The algorithm just gave me this gem that I didn't know I needed to see. What a great video.
Great Video. Already waiting for Part 2 :)
awesome man!! eagerly waiting for part 2
I haven't done much research yet, but I'd be very interested in comparing the advantages and disadvantages of USB-C vs Lighting.
Anyway, great video!
Advantage: more money for apple
Disadvantage: literally everything else
@@makuru.42 Advantage; More durable than USB-C since there is no middle part to break.
Advantage: Smaller than USB-C and takes up less space.
@@JamesR624 Is it more durable? At least in my experience, USB-C has been way more durable. Lightning cables tend to short out between pins 7 and 8
@@JamesR624 Lol! I have 9 year old USBC cables that still work like new. My Grandma has gone through another Apple branded lightning cable every other month since getting her polished turd of a phone.
@@griffin8062 not the cable, it's the port
Wow. As an Apple employee at a Genius Bar, this video brought me a lot. As I love giving my customers some details about their products, this is a lot! Until now, just said that their cable is not only a cable. Now I can explain that there’s a real chip with which the iPhone is talking to.
In an other way, can’t understand why we have not tools to determine if a cable is genuine or not.
You are super good at reverse engineering. Extremely straight forward and informative.
Great video! It's really interesting to learn about the technical details of Apple's Lightning connector and how it works. I appreciate the clear explanations and diagrams, and the various links provided for further exploration. Looking forward to Part 2!
Awesome, thank you!
Where’s part 2? :(
Having a knowledge like yours just seems like rocket science. Just awesome
I need the next video! This seems like a series episode and I want to watch all the episodes. 😂
Nice video, bro. I like to brush up some bits, and this type of video is very pleasant to me.
"in the next video?" what!? fastest 9 mins ever. what an awesome video.
Thank you! :)
Hey, awesome video, loved all the technical details!
On a side note, what kind of logic analyser would you recommend for someone just getting into hardware security? The Salae ones you showed are a little outside my undergrad budget ;)
Will an ESP32/Raspberry Pi Pico suffice for most beginner usecases? What if I'm dealing with negative voltage signals?
Many thanks for your videos! Got here after LiveOverflow recommended them :)
You can get some very cheap ones on Amazon (like $10) - I think those are great in the beginning (and I still often use them)
@@stacksmashing alright, I'll have a look at those. Thank you so much!
@@aathish04 I've used micros in the past, they're nice but one bit me when it pulled my i2c lines low when it wasn't powered. I use a digital discovery at work and it's amazing, especially with its high speed adapter kit. Very clean signals.
Personally I bought a 70$ one on Amazon and it does more than enough for me. Have used it a good bit. Probably the 10$ one would be enough for most to be honest
This is really cool!
Also, side note, would you do this same analysis on one the old 30 pin cables? It would be really cool to see the differences between the older technology and the newer!
Congrats to the 150k subcribers! and realy nice video !
Woah this is amazing. I just came from watching Exploring The simulations video on adding USBC to airpods. This is amazing to see
part 2 when :(
This was such a dope video when part 2 gonna drop it’s been 4 months
WOW!!!! This is such a unique video! Never seen something like this before in my feed.
Waiting for part 2 😋
This is great part 2 can’t wait … there are some interesting other projects that might be able to be integrated with that tamarin cable, not very sure what “level” of signal processor / logic analyzer is required. But I have seen some open source logic analyzer on hackaday that use the PIO cores to get up to 24 channels , 16, 8… pretty sure you could pipe the GPIO that’s handling that communication into the other cores and have the ARM cores act like a TCP server to send the data through the USB connected to the PC to double as tamarin / logic analyzer .
Very cool project hope there is part 2 , and maybe some Lightning peripherals? Like lightning to usb hdmi hubs ? Get the readings from those ?
This dude is pretty cool 👌 you have earned a well deserved sub 😁
Didn’t understand a single word, but hey man, nice video, enjoyed it 😄
Wow thats amazing!
Looking very forward to the next part
Algorithm sent me here, and I’m glad! Can’t wait for the rest!
you remind me of Ben Eater, not comparing efforts here, great video. subbed.
Take this subscription, you deserve it. Quality content.
Would be interesting to see message exchange with some cheap, knockoff cable and see if there is any difference in responses.
Great idea! Will see if I can get some
very nice I love the breakout header you made.
fun fact, iPad Pro gen 1 and 2 use all 16 pins on lightning for usb 3.0 speeds (in conjunction with a usb-c to lightning cable)
Interesting, I didn’t know! Thanks :)
My mind is blown. This video (these videos) are awesome. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Great work! Can't wait for part 2!
Been waiting for pt.2 for two months now
Please continue! Your work is great!!! When is the second part coming?
I wish you would do longer videos instead of these 10-minute parts, thanks for the content though, keep it up. Looking forward to making my own cable.
I know what you mean - it’s pretty intense to produce though :) I might try some longer content
Thanks for the feedback!
10 minutes is ok in my opinion
Great video - lots of information and well paced. I'm looking forward to part 2!
Thank you!
Thank you for yet another fantastic video!
You should try teaching profession!
Your simplicity in presentation and effective communication makes it easy to understand and learn.
would love a second part if you have time :D
this is so interesting wow! im now very curious about a few things tho.
1- How do splitters work? for example i have a very cheap aliexpress splitter that basically lets me plug in both charging cable and lightning earpods on my iphone at once, im guessing this thing is 100% passive but i have no ide and im not about to destroy it rn tbh. but if its passibe how can it communicate with both things at once? and if active, how does it get to split these two things?
2- does the cable reply to the device which charging capabilities it has? like if it can do fast charging or not, or is that linked to the modle number or name itself?
3- does the cable also talk to the charger it connects to? like does the apple PSU get any information about the lightning cable or device? apart from power delivery on fast chargers that is, especially curious on the old usb-a 5w and 10w ones
and 4- how do fake cables work then? ive had bad luck getting some knockoff ones bc they would charge very very slowly and im thinking if it might be bc the controller was answering stuff wrong and the iphone has some sort of anti-illegitimate mehcanism or something or if it just replied as if it was the slowest charging cable that exists, i really hope youll check this stuff at some point plz!
btw for reference this is the splitter i have (different store same thing tbh, not great bc it requires regular cleaning for it to work, also if u dont have experienc with aliexpress choose the aliexpress saver shipping unless its wayy too expensive for u bc at least in spain that option takes 2 weeks but the caniao expedited economy aka tghe default one for this takes months) www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004576959652.html
absolutely fascinating, can't wait for more videos!
“Part 1” *_dips for 7 months_*
Awesome video. Loved every bit of it (pun intended).
Before watching the video, I thought that embedding the chip in the USB cable was stupid, because it costs more and creates more waste.
Now, I'm waiting for the next part.
fascinating. Neat how you can figure out so much from so little
im sold, new sub over here, im waiting for part 2
Amazing video, waiting for part 2!
Love the way this guy uses Logic Pro to analyse analogue signal
Hey, I love this video, cant wait till part 2
Awesome detailed video now I want to see Type c power delivery and other protocols as well from you.
Omg you are explaining it very very well done 👏🏾
This was honestly really interesting to watch
Thank you! :)
Looking forward to part two!
amazing video, cant wait part for other parts
I am firmly convinced that the German people are some of the smartest people in the world. The video was amazing! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I‘m german and I have no idea what this gentleman is telling us.
Can you please talk about the lighning earphones in the process ?
great video by the way
Great explanation and neat graphics!
Wow, nice one. For how long did this channel exist? Subscribed.
I'm curious to see why apple never upgraded lightning to support USB3.0. From what I can see Lightning has 2 differential lanes and Power and that could carry a USB3 signal. I wonder if theres any other limitation.
Lightning could do USB 3 at one point. Pre 2nd and 3rd gen iPad Pros could do it.
They did, there’s an official lightning to usb 3 adapter but it doesn’t do that speed with current gen devices anymore
I want my iPad Pro 3rd gen to have a 3.0 lightning connection. It's got Hexxa plus.
Has anyone analyzed / tear down one of the lightning to usb camera adapters ? Haven’t found one anywhere, it would be interesting to see the difference between the normal cable and the “otg” cable? Or does it work the same as if you get a usb-c to usb-a female adapter ? Would that work
Perfect timing, just before they are forced to use USB-C :D
let's hope they dont manage to get around it
@@-aexc- I think that they announced that they are going to follow it.
@@altayakkus4611 They have confirmed they will follow the law. The law mandates USB-C for charging. USB-C connectors are already a clusterfuck used for many different standards, and rumors are already that the USB-C cables Apple plan on the next iPhone will need Apple certification for full functionality.
@@-aexc-Everyone should have been forced to use USB Micro.
Guess I have to subscribe to stay tuned!!
Also what analyzer do you use?!?!
Really love your videos. Waiting for Part 2! :-)
I wish the video was not about the iPhone, but authentic Apple power bricks. I'm curious if these Apple charges for iPad/iPod etc. perform *handshake protocols* on the data signals of the Apple USB cords, other than the +5.0 Voltages.
I wonder, would this be able to debug an issue on a dumpster iPhone I found recently? I failed to flash iOS onto it, no matter if recovery or DFU mode, it always errors out or reboots at some point unexpectedly, and I have no idea what's wrong with it. I suspect a broken flash chip, but I can't tell for sure.
I doubt it to be honest :)
Send it to me. One of my iPhone's rudely erased all data on me after changing passcode. 2 failed attempts and I freaked out shut off the phone (despite the glitch yes the GLITCH) I rebooted the iPhone thinking it'll solve the glitch but I did not know what I just done and bam first passcode attempt and it is erased everything. (It may have been poor wifi during request passcode change so from now on anytime I change it I make sure wifi is flawless beforehand!)
Anyways the point: this erased iPhone can still jailbreak using i2c box and even shows the iOS version 13.6.0 I am blaming Apple here. If it did erase "all data" then why the heck is it able to do this? P.S. This type stuff makes me want to sue company. False advertising IMO.
What a madman, this video was AWESOME!
This outdoes the video I uploaded about Lightning cables, lol. Excellent job! Very informative!
Oh do you have a link to that? Do you mean this one? ua-cam.com/video/loVJTLUzA-k/v-deo.html
Nice channel :)
@@stacksmashing Thank you! Although I still somewhat envy your technical abilities, haha. I've worked with electronics for a very long time, but I wish I was more proficient with logic analyzers, scopes, etc. I've seen your videos before, particularly the AirTag one. Excellent stuff!
Wow. Heavy nice work Bro. Thanks 🙏 4 content
Really really interesting.... Dumb question/idea.... Would it be possible via rpi0 or RPI pico to convert video signal from lightning to uvc USB gadget mode?
This video got me all charged up. Positively electrifying.
Amazing video. Please keep it going!
Waiting for pt.2 for 6 months now
I heard Apple recently updated the firmware on their cables somehow. I hope this series helps me understand that.
It wasn’t for Lightning cables, the update was for a MacBook MagSafe charging cable.
Omg the part you ask to ChatGPT is just mind blowing
you are a gem!!! thank you for this video.
I like the 1:03 version of the lightning cable.
That was the first time I've actually seen chatgpt being used, and it wasn't for a joke it was for actual information??? That just blew my mind
Awesome, do you know how is wired (color coded) in the terminal?
Can't wait to see the next video!!!
When is part 2?
I wonder if their Type-C cables have something like this as well.
When connecting my 2021 11" iPad Pro to my PC using the stock charging (and data) cable it behaves very strangely.
iTunes only connects properly (meaning apps like epoccam pro or duet are able to connect and work through usb) when I plug it into my graphics card (rtx 2080) and not my motherboard (B450M Mortar).
However if I use a Type-C extension cable with the same original cable, connecting it to the graphics card no longer works, BUT connecting it to my motherboard does work.
It's not for your benefit. If it has it you should probably be angry.
Some USB-C devices are poorly implimented. There are plenty of devices where the cable plug needs to be flipped to work properly.
@@johncoops6897 it works both ways, poorly implemented extension cable doesn't explain why it starts working with a slot that wasn't working with the original cable, if you meant the original cable is poorly implemented, I can agree with that
edit: also my other type-c devices work perfectly with both slots with the extension cable too
@@Afthrast - Type-C is notorious for incompatibility issues. The problem is almost always that the manufacturer took some shortcut and didn't impliment the USB-C properly.
For example, the cable's plug is double-sided however the connections are not mirrored. It relies on signals being on the correct sides on both upper and lower sides in order to work properly. That may not be what is wrong with your system, just an example.
EDIT: I am not just talking about the cables themselves.
I dont understand a single thing. But i look cool in a coffeeshop watching your video 😂.
Is there part 2?
Will you be exploring how the lightning dongles such as 3.5mm audio and HDMI adapters function? Interested if they communicate over the USB bus or one of the other channels
Mayyybe… I don’t have any yet :) Maybe I’ll buy some
If you got the usb camera adapter and or Ethernet , would be nice to know how they work. How they communicate with the tristar to use HID devices or Ethernet.
There is no documentation on anything except for a handful of lightning charging cables ( like this video ) and some on the Haywire HDMI. But I have not been able to find any docs on usb camera adapter or the Ethernet.
In your tamarind cable I notice you break out all the lightning pins.
Without JB phone or any demoting ( for non debug use ). Can you just plug in a usb-HID device into the usb port, without sending / spoofing the lightning cables ID to tristar? And the HID device be recognized by the iOS device ? If not I would assume the tamarin cable firmware would need to be modified to send the ID for triggering the proper data lanes and/or the service in lockdownd ? Or iAP?
I understood absolutely none of this but i watched the whole thing
How much variance is there from USB just enough to be proprietary?
There is no USB until it’s enabled via SDQ :)
Thank you for your very detailed technical sharing, why can't I find the second part, thank you.
I cannot believe you asked chat gpt and it found an answer within seconds… it’s truly revolutionary
wow das ist wirklich cool. ich mag apple nicht aber ich finde es cool wie du es reverse engineerst!
Freut mich!
Amazing video! When where is part 2?!!?
Super interesting! looking forward to the rest of the series. Also, I didn't know you were German :)
I think the number one secret of the lightning cable is that it doesn’t actually use real lightning
Hey, just wanted to say that your icon is adorable!!
@@Grimssbane thanks, although it’s actually quite a lewd one, though that’s hidden. Her face is cute though
@@lorumipsum1129 ah, I see! Well, the art style is very cute in the icon.