Who Are The Black Cat And Dog & Are They Demons? - Witcher Character Lore - Witcher lore - Witcher 3
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2019
- Who Are The Black Cat And Dog In The Witcher 3 And Are They Demons? Today I talk about the demons, the Black Cat And Dog. Or are the Black Cat And Dog demons?. The Black Cat And Dog were first introduced in the witcher 3 hearts of stone DLC and in this witcher 3 hearts of stone dlc their story is explored, I will attempt to tell you the parts you probably over-looked or, if not may this video act a refresher on the Black Cat and Dog's story in the witcher 3 hearts of stone DLC. In today's video I'll cover the Black Cat And Dog's potential origins, their history, their ending and the Black Cat And Dog being a demons.
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Sorry guys I made a little mistake (very annoying as despite replaying the entire quest a few days ago in prep, it completely slipped my mind) olgierd made the demons a cat and dog because Iris told him that she'd like a cat and a dog. So I suppose it was to make her happy and in a way practise goetia. The fact he decided to give her two demons that look like a cat and dog, when she asked for a cat and dog really does show how disconnected he was at this point!
Well demons can live for ever. A real cat and dog would die at some point.
This mission was honestly the creepiest mission in the game, and the choice at the end was so incredibly sad, no matter the outcome. I loved the way Iris is so isolated but wishes to stay simply to exist. Great dlc, great mission.
*quest
I didn't find it creepy more did I just want to hug Iris. Tell her that it'd be okay. It was sad seeing it all, but beautiful, the memories she keeps in her world, even the name 'the painted world', her love for painting became a world of its own. It's still sad, but I wish I could have comforted her.
my favourite quest in witcher 3 in the bloody baron ... it's so sad how he loved his daughters and caused both of them to leave him
and I cried so much when the baron had to carry his dead baby daughter to hrr grave and name her
@Diamond Bourne Shhh, it's a form of comfort so she can go on in peace.
Really? It was creepy a bit at the beginning but once you find Iris' corpse it turns really sad really fast.
I think the dog and cat( to an extent) cared about Iris.
She was basically the only person they could talk to for years on end.
Also, if they didn't care at all
outside their own benefit, why would they tell Geralt how to defeat O'Dimm?
"Look for salvation in glass that can't be broken..."
Filip Vadas because they could be mortal enemies or in this case immortal similar to pennywise and the turtle
What does " look for salvation in glass that cant be broken" mean?
I agree, and they would also be able to empathize with her, as all 3 are trapped in a sort of limbo due to the actions of Olgierd, and are, until the arrival of Geralt, incapable of being freed
@@ikariyabiollante867 I like this interpretation. Even enemies that go through the same hell have some respect for one another. Suffering can bring people together even people who would otherwise hate each other.
You neglected to mention that when you take the rose, the dog actually tells you how to defeat Gaunter O'Dimm, albeit cryptically. Implying, although demons, they possessed some form of concept of the debt of gratitude which O'Dimm himself questions about humans, elves, and dwarves.
I remember them mentioning during the quest 'seek salvation in glass that can't be broken' or something like that, which I suppose is quite interesting as it indicates that they have some knowledge surrounding Gaunter, perhaps confirming his connection to demons? I'll definitely include it in a future video on gaunter perhaps!
@@WitcherGeorge If anything it suggests that Gaunter is more than a demon. The dog demon telling you this is clearly a debt of gratitude, yet whether you meet Gaunter at the crossroads or not after he saves you, he finds you and mentions he finds the concept completely perplexing.
Gratitude.. or spite?
@@cgavin1 A good point! But if out of spite, I reckon el doggo would have told you regardless of which ever option you choose I feel. More so out of spite, for if they were to remain trapped there, why not thwart the mastermind behind it all by telling the only bloke with a chance in hell to stop him just how.
@@WitcherGeorge Perhaps, just as we have higher vampires and lower vampires, we have higher demons and lower demons. The Caretaker being a lower demon, the Cat and the Dog being higher demons, similar to Regis and Dettlaff, and Gaunter being a higher demon than them, similar to the Unseen Elder.
When he asks for the rose, you can sense a hint of sadness in their voice, i felt so bad for that entire story.
The black cat and dog are probably my favorite characters in the game. Also it's not impossible that they feel some pity at least for Iris. They've spent so much time with her and then her wraith... witnessing the whole tragedy. It's entirely possible that they've developed a connection to her. A bond of sorts. They even call her mistress. They are however still demons. You can't expect them to just start crying and pour their uhm... whatever they use for a heart out. They already know that Iris is dead and there's no going back. They've seen her reliving those nightmarish moments in the painted world. Even if they ever mourned it, they had plenty of time to come to grips with the fact that she needs to go and that it would be best for everyone involved. They're not strictly selfish. They're just rational.
There's a lot of creepy places in this game but this honestly is the creepiest and it actually great to see a talking cat and dog for me it lessen the feeling of being scared on this quest. One of the best quest.
The music makes me so nostalgic
nostalgia related - every time i hear the fields of ard skellig i get goosebumps
Demons are extremely tricky. Theyll do what they can for their own gain. But being stuck with Iris for so long, it is definitely possible they actually totally cared for her after a while and they weren't wrong in saying it'd be doing her a kindness to take the rose. She'd be living in a prison otherwise.
I agree. weather or not the want to be freed was more selfish than selfless, taking the rose would not only free them, but Iris as well.
You can hear the cat sounds sad when she says Iris is inside...I knew from her tone that maybe iris isn’t alive. Wow I love the details in this game ❤️❤️❤️
I felt bad for the cat and dog as well. Even though they were demons. I feel like it's bad for her to be stuck forever as a ghost, tied to all the pain. I don't remember what I did and I think that's a good place to be in order to do another playthrough.
Any excuse to get back in. 😂
Tbh there's a ton of excuses to go back in witcher 3....and yeah it's that you have to set her free so she can stop suffering but i think if you didn't take the rose she will be visited by olgierd himself and do everything geralt couldn't and ultimately fixing their relationship?
@@kaiserbeelzebub4th Maybe, when he asks what's happened to her. I've started a new game + so I'll do that instead.
@@OrinSorinson lemme know if you have cuz im still saving up gold by collecting all smuggler caches so i dont have money problems when i start a ng+ and to activate a certain quest ofc....
i hope that if you save ogierd, he returns to the manor and enters the painted world and moves on with iris
If u take the rose , the painted world collapses
living forever in a fake world populated by demons, ghosts and anxieties? you have a funny perception of a happy ending. Anyway, Iris is dead, the only good thing to do is to allow her soul to rest in peace.
Éfar Isti Yeah I think Iris wouldn’t want Olgierd to stay with her in a fake world because she loves Olgierd and she might want him to live a happy life in the real world after Heart of Stone
I think it's important to point out that in the Witcher universe a demon is used to describe anything forcibly summoned from another plane via Goetia. So they can all be different. Some with physical bodies and others without and they can have different abilities as well. Considering the caretaker was summoned I would classify him as a demon. Since Gaunter O' Dimm couldnt be summoned I would say he is not a demon or he is an incredibly powerful demon
3:18 - The bodies are explained at that same quest. Iris ASKED Olgierd for a cat AND a dog after she couldn't decided for just one pet.
Pretty sure they were bound to a cat and dog because at the very beginning of the mission in the painted world Iris says she wants a cat or dog
All of this is why I keep coming back to this game, man I love this game more than any other
Yes, I too found this whole scenerio very sad. A woman who loved and wanted to be loved and yet through circumstances not of her doing. She was isolated, alone and sad... If memory serves does it not say somewhere in this maybe when first find in bedroom doesnt either the cat of dog say she died of a broken heart? I could have that wrong but... am pretty sure it was something like that. I believe in the beginning Olgierd really and truly loved Iris. But the corruption that is Master Mirror removed and corrupted anything that remained so could not even if wanted it to remain. In a way it was his love of Iris and the feeling of need to provide everything for her to make her happy, which in the end destroyed both of their happiness. As even later on near the end of the DLC Olgierd you can tell he is not happy, he knows what he done, he knows he cannot reverse it and he knows he cannot undo it. He has to live with it for the rest of his life. Which I think is why he gives Geralt what he does give him (if you helped him against Master Mirror, I do not want to say what it is just in case someone reads this and still to play that part, those who have played that part will know what I mean). He knows his old life is over however it was. He does in a way give in and resigns himself to whatever fate now awaits him. As to the Cat and Dog, Yes we know they are demons. But demons can come in many forms. Yes they were bound to Iris, but and I too debated this lots myself was it for self that they helped steer Geralt in the right direction or.... did they actually feel pity for Iris's suffering... They afterall saw her love, they saw her fade away and die, they saw her turn into a wraith. Maybe initially it was only because they were summoned but in time did that change... As said earlier and thinking about it while typing this am pretty sure it was the dog who says.... "died of a broken heart"... If did not care...would not have said that.... that is my thoughts anyways :)
Tell me when the Netflix adaptation of your comment comes out
@@cronicas_imemoriais well considering the adaptation on Netflix is not and never was based on the game... I would say never.
@@nzcyclone lol It was a joke because your comment is so big hahaha
@@cronicas_imemoriais If you wish to see that comment. Then i would suggest play the game and more specifically play the Hearts of Stone DLC, which is what all this is referenced from.
@@nzcyclone yes I read your comment and am playing HoS for the Second time in NG+ righ now
I always take the rose out of pity for Iris, she wants to move on but afraid. her fear of the afterlife keeps her suffering.
Vow! Witcher universe is so diverse, it has its own history it's small small details, it sometimes looks like a real world and makes me play the Witcher 3 for the 10th time.
I think odimm has his own world(s). The creatures such as the caretaker, or the olgierd monsters are much likely to be spawned from there. Also odimm teleports and stops time WITHOUT using magic. Logicall if he was the ruler of dimensions and his own worlds. Where the dog and cat (and the caretaker too) comes from is a place that is soo powerfull that only the name of the world can torment you.
Missing out on extra awesome story characters since non of this is Canon. The Witcher series could really use this, especially Blood and Wine DLC stuff
They use the form of a life and dog because iris, In the first memory you put together in her painting world, she tells olgierd as she's painting she'd like to have a cat and dog, that's why I think they chose that form anyway but I'm not sure
Man that bloody mansion always gave me the chills, love the game to the bones.
#BestGameEver
Although thought they were very powerful familiars? So they are real demons ? Of sorts?
I mean they were forced to serve, however they try to spin it in a way that you should feel sorry for them.
I for one let iris keep her rose, i felt sorry for her the moment i learned about her.
She lost everything out of the main factor that love truly blinds and showcased her own husbond to be a man of narcissistic needs.
I take the rose almost every time. Iris is in misery and wants to leave the painted world. This piece of the quest was really well written because both choices are "right".
I think you made the bad choice. Why would you want to keep Iris trapped in a limbo? Taking the rose is definitely the better choice.
Seriously though, I'd rather cease to exist than to be stuck with the same misery forever.
@@benedictjajo IF you took the rose you would damn her soul, didn't you get that whole spiel of the entire story?
It was about her soul, not the fulfilling of releasing demons.
Also on the note of Iris being"stuck" she's not stuck in the painting world, its a imagery of her reality, not her death. If that reality goes away, she slips away for good.
Would you damn a soul over some demons and a narcissistic man like Olgierd?
@@RoboGamerNL If you leave you kill her soul, that was the story, her life essence was trapped within that painting, her soul.
If you gave him the dying rose you would had damned her rather than anything.
@@GruwskiTheDogski what are you talking about? she is not damned, It's Olgierd who concluded a pact with Gaunter, not her, why would she be damned? she hesitates to give you the rose because she is afraid of ceasing to exist but that does not mean to be damned! the painting is a world dreamlike, spiritual, which gives substance to her fears. Iris is already dead, the painting is just her last anchor in the living world.
A powerful man once said: "it doesn't matter if a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice".
I find that HoS plot has some of the sharpest agency-driven writing I have ever experienced. Super Bunnyhop has a great video about that, so I'll borrow one of his examples:
In early stage of quest you find yourself in front of a burning house where two or Olgierd's casacs about to execute some rando for a reason yet to be revealed. You can interrupt them and directly confront Olgierd to save the rando, or be a down-to-business Geralt and not intervene with something you have no personal gain of doing.
In the very end of HoS story you are presented with exactly the same situation, except this time the Olgierd himself is about to be executed.
Now that what is called "foreshadowing" is non-interactive fiction. In a game, however, this is a weird moment to project your own personal beliefs into the fictional world. Pragmatically speaking, Geral has no (extrinsic) motivation to face both "You're... Immortal" and the "Mystery Man" nor do you. So the choice is entirely up to your in-the-moment feelings or personal beliefs about giving someone a second chance.
Alright, back to our cat and dog business. The bound demons have indeed no empathy for the Iris and they indeed just want this to be over with. ... But so does the Geralt. All three are bound by contract, and want just want it to be over with. Even though this "to be over with" has to do with Iris fading into non-existence.
So this final conflict feels powerful because it's not just an animated cut-scene on screen, but rather it is in your -player's- head. Cat and dog can not disobey Olgierd's contract much like Geralt can not disobey player's instructions. By choosing to keep the Iris alive in the painted world, you and Geralt both are confronting the inevitability of one's (Iris') death, hoping for the brighter future in spite of all the odds.
By choosing to take the rose and for Iris to fade away, however, you are not just being a dick to her, but rather siding with the bound Cat and Dog. They deserve the rest after all.
So yeah, they are evil and selfish and help Geralt solely for personal gains. They are the antagonist of this particular subplot. But they are there the remind you that bare existence can be a toll on others. They are also there for you to confront this exact notion and decide to forgive -- to hold onto something -- rather than to simply forget and mind your business. Which, if you ask me, is a hella more interesting conflict than the good guys fighting against the bad guys to save the world.
And thats why witcher 3 is the best story ever written. It resembles real life so well the world is not black or white but grey. And every choice and minor detail plays a grand part in it all, everything is connected.
They where a cat and a dog because Iris always wanted to have a cat or a dog she talks about it with Olgiert in the memorie mission.
You don't understand how much I needed this Witcher George thank you
I've been waiting for this video for a long time. It's awesome and really interesting. Thank you, Witcher George.
While, yes, he was disconnected from his true self at this point... he was primarily trying to summon o'dimm, either for revenge or to work another deal. It seemed to me that he may have also been trying to summon a being he contacted that knew how to defeat o'dimm. During these experiments, he tried pushing the envelope and summoned the beings who inhabit his house. Both to keep iris company, and also to benefit his own selfish needs.
He had never fully given up on himself, instead gave up another part of himself to do these things. And eventually, stopped trying to avoid what he became. It is never said what the deals were that he struck with these beings, but i feel as though olgeird will always suffer, be at the mercy of malevolent beings, and his soul will not be his in the end. With or without o'dimm.
I figured they were largely indifferent at the start, but they probably developed some affection.
I also always take the rose, as I do feel that it is better for her to pass on.
I truly enjoy you videos and hope you keep this up.
The art direction in painted world is mindblowing
I had shivers during the entire video...
You're practically forcing me to replay this game once again.
Ah sh*t, here we go again...
Why don’t you do a video on the different types of swords found in the Witcher universe. For an example like there are Witcher swords like the griffen silver and griffen steel and then there are elven swords, swords from novigrad etc. Hope this is a good idea
Good idea man! I could discuss the difference!
Felix Onin I like your idea too :)
I agree with this big time! Also, can somebody tell me what armor set that is? I don't find it familiar and I like it /:
My one letdown with TW3 is the fact that all the witcher swords look and act very similar. One would expect the weapons of choice for Ursine witchers to be broadswords, battle axes, or even a great sword. Just like it would be more in a Manticore witcher’s style to use something akin to a Pulwar or scimitar.
5:10 I was staring at that bear the whole ass time I played through this 😂
Love your content WitcherGeorge, It's very entertaining for witcher 3 lovers. Thank you, and keep it up! :)
this quest line is actually my favourite, I was so heartbroken after what I choose
They also give you a hint on the riddle Ogrimm gives you at the end.
Scenes from a marriage and the last Wish have to be the greatest quests I’ve ever played
This mission still hurts my feeling for some reason.
Nice vid, i just thought they were nice, a talking cat and doggie, could it be better? But nice to find out what they actualy were
Yeah! A lot of this stuff is not exactly 'clear' when you first play it as it's all so out of order and a bit is discovered through extra dialogue!
I think presuming the cat and dog don't care at all for Iris simply because they were pushing for their freedom is looking at it their motivations and feelings too simply. The witcher world is all about shades of grey, not black and white, good or bad. The cat and dog wanted freedom absolutely, but wanting something for yourself doesn't stop you from feeling genuinely sorry for someone else's plight. I actually think pitying Iris would make their desire for freedom even stronger, because they were sitting around watching a dead woman suffer at the hands of the man who had bound them and if they were freed they wouldn't have to watch it anymore.
Later this year I'll play Harts of Stone in the German/French translation,
I will look if Dog and the Cat really made an "pact" with Olgierd
This is easily one if the best quest in TW3. It safe to say that DLC's are as good as the main game, and in some sense, better.
In Gwent, the cat and dog card is classified as a demon, which is the same classification given to Gaunter O’Dimm. Food for thought...
Very nice and one of my favorite characters:) thanks for the content!
Small thing theres also a way to cut the rose from the painting and not have iris move on, while still "passing" that quest. Just fiddle with the dialogue options when talking to iris. If anyones curious
Short answer, yes they are demons. You can download GWENT and check their category, it's written "Demon".
wonder what gaunter o dimm is
Hey im new to playing the witcher do you have a video explaining how to play gwent?
It would have been cool if after taking the Rose, Cat and Dog would change their form to demons and Geralt have to face them. That would have hugely influenced Geralt's future decisions.
In Hindsight, woudn't it be cool if the two demons had non-black colours in the memory and that Geralt finds a cat and dog skeleton in the house? The idea is that Oldeird bound them to actual animals and after the bounded animals grew too old and expired, that left the demons in a shadow-ish form of their former hosts.
Hey witchergeorge, if you have a switch you thinking about doing a witcher 3 on switch review? if the performance is acceptable to enjoy the game in?
They are otherworldly beings. They have different notions on right and wrong. But they may empathize with Iris because they may see a mirror of their plight in her's. They can't imagine she is any happier being bound to that place than they are. So it they may indeed intend what they believe is best. Everyone moves on and stops suffering. But I suspect the reason they have any empathy for her is because their situation is so similar. I do not suspect demons naturally empathize with anything. Of course what is the difference between a demon and any other spirit? Maybe far less than we like to think. Hard to say when working from the mortal perspective rather than the immortal one.
2:04 But how does the cat give Geralt the key? LOL
It vomits it up, kind of like a hairball.
She tells geralt that the key is on the caretakers body.
These dog and cat are iris's parents to guard her...
Cat voice matches with iris's mom
I like the dream quest.its very adventure
I don’t think it really matters if they were selfish or selfless - iris did need to move on. Her tortured sole was tied to the mortal world and would never be at peace until she was allowed to move on and the cat and dog were almost as much victims of that circumstance as she was.
I share this line of thought. It was really painful for me to watch Iris be forever trapped in such a miserable form of existence.
Freeing her was definitely the way to go, and so was freeing Olgierd from Gaunters grasp, reason being is because I believe that no matter what wrongdoings and misshaps someone has undergone or allowed to happen, no one deserves eternal damnation, which is what I believe Olgierd would face if we allowed Gaunter to have his way.
Okay, so this was a year ago, and I'm about at 3:32 in the video, but @WitcherGeorge, when you say "i don't understand why the demons are bound to the forms of a cat and a dog" do you not remember the memory you can construct directly to the right of you when you get into the painted world. Iris and Olgierd are in the gazebo, and Iris is painting. She remarks to Olgierd that it would be nice for them to have a cat and a dog. That way during winter they could be all cute by the fire. (I don't remember exactly what Iris says.) Olgierd wasn't exactly paying attention, and he goes inside right after, but obviously he was paying attention, so he did what any normal husband would do when his wife asks for a dog and a cat. He summons to demons and binds them to the forms of a dog and a cat. But hey! At least he made them black so they could match Iris's aesthetic.
P.s: If I finish the video and you remark on the subject then I do apologize.
I am so much excited for the Witcher 4 if only!
@@nothingnematthere9908 there won't be a witcher 4 unfortunately..
Fear River are u a prophet or you can see the future !
There will be another Witcher game but it just won’t be call Witcher 4
@@CryonicArrow that's the problem
They also tell you how to defeat Gaunter
I probably read way too much into it but I did not take the rose simply because I thought it would "unleash" the dog and cat demon onto the world, kinda like what happens at the end of Fyke island quest with the Peste. Felt bad for imprisoning her still but didn't want the demons free to do whatever.
Anyone can tell me the name of the track that starts at 6:20, and where to find it ?
Just played through HoS a second time and let me tell you after really diving in and fully experiencing it. And paying attention I sided it O'Dimm. Both Olgierd and Dimm were evil in my eyes but to me olgierd ruined more lives i felt
Dont forget These sweet 5000 coins gaunter gives you
Everything about this game. 💕 I love all the stories intertwined in this world. Great video, thanks for creating it. :) Also I don't know how to say this without sounding like I'm whining lol but is it just a $1 monthly donation that gets your name in the credits? I was hoping I would see my username since I joined the WitcherGeorge Patreon community. Anyway love your videos, thanks again for covering stories and characters of The Witcher.
What's your patreon name? If you're donating you should be in the credits.
@@WitcherGeorge It is Hanging with Kiki. ☺️
@@hangingwithkikiasmr Added! Sorry about that, in that particular month I got a lot of notifications and yours got pushed out of sight. I've gone and checked every single name and it was just yours missing!
Yay! I'm glad you were able to find me in there. :) Thanks!
I think they did care for Iris, because they noted the fact she liked to paint and other details about her.
I loved these two. I wanted to free them so badly
You missed the explanation as to why they were a cat and dog. Iris in the painted world says she wants exactly that.
They bound to cat and dog because when they just moved in,iris told him they should have a cat and a dog
He listened to his wife even he got a heart of stone
He was awful with Iris, not even sorry of Gaunter talking his soul.
Like a good ol' tragedy, everything must end catastrophically for the protagonist.
But was it his fault? He had his wishes granted, but in O'Dimms fashion. Challenging O'Dimm shows how "charming" he really was.
@@wolfx.2546 oh yeah, making a bandit band and abandon his wife. Quite "charming"
I mean didnt he do that bc he had a hearth of stone bc of the wishes
@@CelticAkumathefirst no, i meant charming in regard to O'Dimm
I think after a while they did grow to like a feel for the women but after so long being there when shes dead and not able to leave made it a prison so they wanted to leave greatly
To the question "why cat and a dog?" Iris literally says that she wanted both in the first scene after you enter the painting
This is why I struggled to take the rose I knew they were demons
They just want to be free and not be trapped, question really (although assumed) are they free in Geralt's world or they go back to their own world.
Didn’t the dog give geralt the clue that helped him beat Gaunter? Like beware of the mirror that cannot break or something like that which ends up being water. If the dog new this it implies he new guanter which also implies they are from the same place or maybe the same type of being. Also if their is demons like in all things there should be an opposite of such. Anything in the Witcher seem to be angels or deities that don’t haunt and mess with humans and other folk?
for some reason, the cat is actually my fav character in the entire game
*sees pfp*
Yeah I wonder why
@@Persy-uk9ij 😂
Stuff like this is precisely why I let Gaunter take Olgierd's soul.
Olgierd is so cool no matter what kinda fucked up shit he does I will not care
Olgierd was never a good man, but he loved Iris. He didn't start to turn on her until after his deal with Gaunter. Master Mirror played him from the beginning. I always set Olgierd free, because no matter what he was before, what Gaunter would do to him isn't a fate I would wish on anyone.
Jaffa Rebellion
Yeh but gaunter is scary af and I don’t want to get on his bad side
Marcus Hicks As much as I hate olgierd I hate Gaunter more. And if I can deny Gaunter of the simplest pleasures then it is my pleasure to do so.
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I agree. Denying Gaunter Olgierd's soul is a horrifying move.
I mean, we have literally no idea, what that unidentified, spoon pushing egghead might do afterwards.
Sure, we beat him fair and square. Sure, it DOES seem like he is gone a long time after the events concluded.
Sure, Gaunter is defeated in his own game.
But... We don't know anything. The creep might decide to pay Geralt a visit on his death bed and take him to a place nobody deserves to be. (Not letting the Witcher die in bed).
Gaunter might ruin everything later on. I don't believe literally anything can stop Gaunter. I myself irl would just play nice all the way through with Gaunter.
But who knows? Maybe Geralt's strengths and boldness might have discouraged Gaunter? Maybe Gaunter learned something new and rewarding from his experience with Geralt, whicg could also affect both in a positive way.
We never know.
You cut out the best part! When ol' Gary exclaims "What the fuck was that?!" Dont worry, I have a trimmed video of it for you 😎
Question
In the Witcher universe, what does the word demon actually mean?
In our world, such a word invokes a negative or sinister connotation.
So are demons in the Witcher 3 evil or something else entirely?
What is "evil" and would demons be really bound by manmade morales?
#NotificationGang
Painted world... of Ariamis. Wait, wrong franchise
How dare u.
Technically yes, the black cat and dog are "demons" in a general sense but in this case, Olgierd kind of did that to himself and it showed he was paying the consequences for relying on black magic. Also, the genie in Aladdin is basically a "demon" too and so in this particular case, freeing those two from Iris' service is like freeing the genie from being bound to the lamp. They're being sent away and he's getting rid of them. Regarding their willingness to "help" Geralt, that's just a reflection of the general reciprocity/altruism that's that guiding moral principle of the Witcher games, i.e. people helping each other out for mutual practical benefit and somehow deriving meaning and friendship from that in some cases. Everyone in the end has their own selfish motives guiding them and they want/need others' help, so helping others is understood to benefit them in some way. In this case the spirits wanted to be freed and they guided Geralt to that end. he wanted Iris' violet rose to fulfill Olgierd's wish so his service to O'Dimm could be completed. Their selfish interests all coincided somewhat so it worked out. There wasn't much of an overarching moral sense of what they were doing.
Maybe they are beings from the same plane the Caretaker comes from, maybe they are lesser demons and that's why they don't attack you. Maybe they are demons but are restricted on power because of Olgierd's way of summoning them.
Maybe they're just magic companions.
They are probably higher in hierarchy than Caretaker, since unlike him they have their own mind. So i'd Say that Caretaker is lesser Demon, these two are higher demons Who know how to defeat Master mirror, and Gaunter O' Dimm is higher Demon than them.
@@JudgeHolden2003 Most likely, I'm not so sure if O'Dimm is a demon in the end, but he perfectly can. I agree with the rest of your comment, the cat and dog can talk and are way more civil than the caretaker, he's probably a lesser demon, maybe that's why he ended up as a slave pretty much.
They need to put this in the TV series
They wont , as the time that film takes place is far away from the game time.That means they would need to go thru 5 seasons min to get to this point in time.
@@KusanDukan yeah I highly doubt they would go as far as adapting timeline from video game series. It would be cool to see this quest in live action thought.
@@d1v1nel2ight Yeah it would be SICK
fucking catdog always bricking my hand in Gwent
Could be wrong, please feel free to correct me if my facts are incorrect.
But everyone is quick to say how horrible and disconnected Olgierd is to Iris, it seems almost like they don’t notice that he had been given a “heart of stone” meaning it is not his fault that he feels no emotion anymore as it was just an unfortunate side effect of becoming unkillable. However I can’t remember if those memories, the last few in particular, are after he made the deal however from what I can remember I always assumed that was the case
Like he clearly loved her at the start, he is not at fault for G.O.D twisting words and stripping him from all enotion
oh, they are definetly demons. but as the identity of a demon is precious, i doubt we will ever know their names.
I thought they were familiars to a witch or warlock
"The name of this place would mean naught to you..."
Tell me anyway. I'll run it by Yen and Ciri.
We'll have a day trip. ⚔ 🔥
this quest was somber af
I decided to take the rose.
I had the choice between letting Iris keep it, let her remain stuck in her limbo, her painted world where nothing matters to her anymore.
And the choice of eliminating it all, setting her free entirely, not just calm her spirit but have it move in.
Yes, she was afraid of a nothingness, a void. And maybe I did condemn her to such a fate.
But there is also just as much a likelihood to have set her free entirely
Those are two demons who keep pushing me to delete someone. And then they say they care for her but actually do not. Please. This isn't my furst contract
To be fair they do not like being bound so and can anybody say Iris is happy as she is? It is a torturous existence for all. Who can say what truly happens beyond the pale? Those who know do not say. They speak in riddles if they answer at all. It is both the end and the begining. That is all that can be said. They did not seek the contract they labor under as far as we know. Indeed it seems they have no interest in mortal existence at all. O'Dimm on the other hand...he is definitely one to watch out for. A trickster king, that one. Mischevious, but fair. He only pursues the wicked or those who have already damned themselves. Of course he doesn't hold life sacred, he just isn't interested in souls who are not driven to bad ends. The only way someone who isn't already on his radar to gain his interest is seemingly to offend him. Which is a chancy prospect in all fairy tales so no wonder he reacts poorly to that one guy who interrupts him.
I think they *empathize* with her situation, as much as they can. Are they absolutely self-serving in wanting to be free from the prison they are force to be in and using Geralt was a tool for this? Very much so. Do they feel sorry for Iris's situation (which mirrors thier own situation) and pity her in a detached kind of way? I honestly think they do. Maybe it's because its a female voicing The Cat, but it's vocal cadence and tone of voice when talking about Iris's death and current Fate Worse Than Death does come off as more sympathetic than The Dog's blunt and gruff demeanor. They might be incapable of loving her (as they readily admit) but that does not mean they do not feel for her in a "Alas, Poor Iris" kind of way.
Sorry that my reply is one year later, but i completely agree with you. They've been trapped with her for so long, that they understand her situation and are able to pity her. Maybe they don't "like her" in our human standards, (probably because they aren't even capable of that emotion completely) but they do care about her to some extend. In polish version, both The Cat and The Dog sound like they care and feel sad about her. I remember the first time i played this dlc and talked with them for the first time. I was very conflicted, thinking that they care about their freedom the most and Iris is just an addition, that comes with it so they have to make Geralt feel bad for them. At the same time, i didn't feel any malice from them, nor tone that would imply that they are trying to manipulate or trick you. They were just sad and tired of being stuck in that painting. What i also found interesting is (if i remember well) when you bury Iris' bones, ask The Cat and The Dog if they want to say anything about Iris, they say something about that human ''rituals'' like that aren't known to them. I thought that it means that even if they would want to, they literally cannot because this is not in their nature. They can feel emotions, but only to some extend. I feel bad for all of them, even for The Caretaker.
must be ng+ becus i see iris already
I think they just feel sorry for her
Nobody: .....
Witchergeorge: hey guys, about a year ago, guess what? Yeah i totally foreshadowed this, by the way your comments reminded me I did that.
I left them to suffer in that world the way they carried themselves rubbed me the wrong way and once they confirmed they were demons I wanted nothing to do with them let alone help them lol
Throughout the time they spent with Iris when she was alive they did not attempt to be compassionate for her and her suffering. They were acting so Geralt could just free them, hence why they offered to help him.
@@Speculate173 my thoughts exactly
So? They might be demons, but the demons of Witcher are far diffrent than these in Hristianity and other religions, they had no bad intentions, they Just wanted to be free.
For me they were just entities that deserved to be free, the caretaker on the other hand deserves to be erased from history
These are just demonic creatures from another plane of existence lesser demons like a servant class and odim must be one of or the most powerful of his kind.
I want to pet them
No, they are your friendly neighborhood spiders.
Wish my pets talked.
No you don't.